2019 New Zealand team: Luckiest team in the history of the World Cup?

[lakers81]

This thread might be somewhat controversial to ask or say, but nonetheless I am curious about to know others opinion on this.

Right now I would say only India and England (although for England their hardest games are coming up with IND, AUS, NZ) are the only teams that have not looked the part but played the part as well as strong favorites or deserving team. Much of the others are either non contenders or not really a dark horse barring Bangladesh.

Even Australia a team known for it's dominance looked questionable at times (Sri Lanka, West Indies, Pakistan matches).

BUT the major difference between Australia and NZ I feel is that Australia stole the game away from those teams with timely wickets and timely runs.

With NZ I feel they have to be the luckiest team in the history of the world cup.

1. Easy schedule to start (complete opposite of IND and PAK) - facing AFG, SL, BAN, IND, RSA (only IND is a threat there) and that game got washed out.

2. In the BAN game, BAN blew numerous run out chances and the Mushfiq **** up was the worst one.

3. In the RSA game I can count about 7 chances they blew, and 5 of them late with 3 in the Tahir over alone.

Now I will give credit to individual players where it's due, Santner, Williamson, and Ferguson have been absolutely sublime this WC, but as a team I think the Black Caps have lucked out big time.

 

[Abdulm123]

Yup, they wont go far this wc, also you forgot about De Grandhomme who is a sublime all rounder who can turn the game around at any time. I always forget about his magic.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Guptill has to fire big time to compete with other teams in battathons. He is not in form. KW can only do so much. Even Taylor has become a builder these days. Neesham CDG not reliable. But Monroe can play a freak innings in a crunch game and blow the opposition away. So don't be shocked if NZ can beat some top contenders. Only reason they are huffing and puffing their way to wins is because many of their players have not hit their top form yet. When they do watch out. They can be dangerous.

 

[lakers81]

Yup, they wont go far this wc, also you forgot about De Grandhomme who is a sublime all rounder who can turn the game around at any time. I always forget about his magic.

I don't know about sublime, I think he is above average in both as a hitter and a bowler, he is one of those jack of all trades master of none type, but he can be reliable at times I'll give him that much.

 

[Abdulm123]

Guptill has to fire big time to compete with other teams in battathons. He is not in form. KW can only do so much. Even Taylor has become a builder these days. Neesham CDG not reliable. But Monroe can play a freak innings in a crunch game and blow the opposition away. So don't be shocked if NZ can beat some top contenders. Only reason they are huffing and puffing their way to wins is because many of their players have not hit their top form yet. When they do watch out. They can be dangerous.

Guptill is a pathetic cannon fodder, will struggle and tuk tuk when playing quality bowlers and bases his selection off milking trundlers and part time bowlers. Munro is the biggest hit or miss player of all time besides Afridi. Ross Taylor is out of his prime. Williamson will play an innings when you need to but plays very slow and choke easily (Williamson was lucky that he was given not out when he was out and dropped about 7 times). Colin De Grandhomme is a player that impresses me though. I like his bowling and batting as they can both turn the game around. He is a dark horse and one of the only decent NZ players. Trent Boult and Tim Southee have had pathetic world cups so far tbh. NZ are lucking their way through, its about time these kids get exposed. They should be happy and thankful to God that he decided to rain out the India and NZ game. Bad luck while come to really bite their donkeys hard when they lose out and choke and rain will also play a role.

 

[lakers81]

Guptill has to fire big time to compete with other teams in battathons. He is not in form. KW can only do so much. Even Taylor has become a builder these days. Neesham CDG not reliable. But Monroe can play a freak innings in a crunch game and blow the opposition away. So don't be shocked if NZ can beat some top contenders. Only reason they are huffing and puffing their way to wins is because many of their players have not hit their top form yet. When they do watch out. They can be dangerous.

Guptill is having the same problem that De Cock is having for RSA, they haven't gotten into any rhythm at all yet.

For all the talks about other countries and their flaws in the middle order, NZ middle is heavily suspect once you take Taylor and KW out.

Neesham, De Grandhomme, Latham are good but they haven't lighten anyone up in fire or anything.

They are badly missing Henry Nichols and his stability, and in regards to Munro people figured out he is a T20 specialist so teams are targeting him specifically.

One wonders how if Corey Anderson was back in form again how much difference he would make for this team, he literally fell of the face of earth.

 

[Chokli]

One wonders how if Corey Anderson was back in form again how much difference he would make for this team, he literally fell of the face of earth.

It's funny, he broke the record for the fastest century.

When our lad got the fastest century he was never dropped... He was for a little while here and there but never like Corey.

Afridi played way too many games

 

[Space Cat]

Sorry thread comes off a bit whingey. Complaining about the schedule is ridiculous.

Sure the NZ batting line up has far from impressed so far but the bowling and fielding has been excellent. No point peaking too early in the tournement.

 

[Abdulm123]

Guptill is having the same problem that De Cock is having for RSA, they haven't gotten into any rhythm at all yet.

For all the talks about other countries and their flaws in the middle order, NZ middle is heavily suspect once you take Taylor and KW out.

Neesham, De Grandhomme, Latham are good but they haven't lighten anyone up in fire or anything.

They are badly missing Henry Nichols and his stability, and in regards to Munro people figured out he is a T20 specialist so teams are targeting him specifically.

One wonders how if Corey Anderson was back in form again how much difference he would make for this team, he literally fell of the face of earth.

Bro I forgot that the man even existed, when I just searched up Corey Anderson some wrestler pops up not even the cricketer. I feel bad for him how he fell off so quickly. I hope that he is enjoying his life, all that matters

 

[Snatch]

I don't get this thread, NZ can't control what order they play various teams. All they can do is keep winning.

Blah blah about SA missing opportunities, well so did NZ, they dropped a couple of catches, that's part of the game.

In regards to NZ scoring slowly this world cup, well hello geniuses, they've been playing on dodgy wickets.

You can whine all you like about them supposedly being lucky in games like Bangladesh and SA, yet they keep winning these tight games, so isn't that a good thing? Or is a team only good if they win games by 150 runs?

Also, the fact the Bangladesh/NZ was quite close says more about Bangladesh being a good side, than it doesn't about NZ being bad.

The thread really seems like a case of sour grapes from a fan who overrates Pakistan, and is upset a team like NZ is looking so much more impressive in the tournament to date.

Stop the whining.

 

[zulfiqar]

Not sure what can be done about the schedule.. that's just how it is. You could argue that having your easy games at the end is beneficial as well (can see what is required from the NRR for example). The only "luck" they've had is the rain against an in-form India, but I would bet that NZ wouldn't be afraid of a team they just beat convincingly a few weeks ago in a warm-up.

 

[Snatch]

Not sure what can be done about the schedule.. that's just how it is. You could argue that having your easy games at the end is beneficial as well (can see what is required from the NRR for example). The only "luck" they've had is the rain against an in-form India, but I would bet that NZ wouldn't be afraid of a team they just beat convincingly a few weeks ago in a warm-up.

Yes, on a good flat wicket India would be favs over New Zealand, but if there was some play in that last match where the wicket had been under covers and the skies were overcast, NZ had a decent chance of beating India.

NZ have the best bowling attack in the WC if there's something in it for the pacers.

 

[light]

Bit unfortunate to call their campaign lucky. THey have played proper cricket to be up there. Every team had a bit of luck here and there, but that's part of the game. Could have should have would have, still NZ capitalized on those mistakes by other teams and made a game out of it.

 

[Hasan123]

Do posters realise that NZ would have played Sri Lanka,Afghanistan,and Bangladesh at some point and they would have beaten them so they would still have those 6 points?


I don't know if OP if is a Pakistan fan or not but if you are you and our fans who have this same mentality, you just need to accept our team is not good enough to win the WC. Even if we had NZ fixtures to start off , I would bet my mortgage that this current set of players would still not get through.

You do need some luck to win a WC but ultimately in this format the best team will win it. It's not set up for the so called unpredictable team to win . Which by the way is not Pakistan. We are a predictably poor team who beats good teams when they have a off day.

 

[Space Cat]

Bro I forgot that the man even existed, when I just searched up Corey Anderson some wrestler pops up not even the cricketer. I feel bad for him how he fell off so quickly. I hope that he is enjoying his life, all that matters

Corey Anderson has had a pretty terrible run of injuries the past few years. Every time he gets fit he gets hurt again but hes not done yet.

 

[Snatch]

Do posters realise that NZ would have played Sri Lanka,Afghanistan,and Bangladesh at some point and they would have beaten them so they would still have those 6 points?


I don't know if OP if is a Pakistan fan or not but if you are you and our fans who have this same mentality, you just need to accept our team is not good enough to win the WC. Even if we had NZ fixtures to start off , I would bet my mortgage that this current set of players would still not get through.

You do need some luck to win a WC but ultimately in this format the best team will win it. It's not set up for the so called unpredictable team to win . Which by the way is not Pakistan. We are a predictably poor team who beats good teams when they have a off day.

Yes it seems absolutely pathetic & idiotic to complain about a format in which EVERY team plays EVERY team.

But then again, this is what we've come to expect from some of these delusional Pakistan fans we're all treated to on a daily basis.

 

[lakers81]

First not a Pakistan fan just to clear it up otherwise i would be posting a lot on pakistan player threads. Just to clear that up. I am a Bangladesh fan (born in Dhaka bred in Dhaka).

No problem if everyone feels this is a whining/complaining/b....ing thread. I knew it it could be a controversial thread.

None the less my point still stands.

No you dont have to win by 200 runs like England does.

But a team needing last second miracle twice means that team is lucky as heck.

Australia also had close games but again they stole the game away from opposition with Starc and his bowling.

I am well aware that any team would play AFG SL BAN And WI in this tournament at any time and thats not what I am talking about.

I am not complaining or talking about the schedule.

I am talking about New Zealands run as a team.

They do not look like the most clinical team in the tournament. And I am not sure or convinced if push came to shove they can beat IND AUS or ENG when it matters.

 

[Hyperion66]

Are you a BD fan Lakers? Please don't get me wrong, I'm just curious.

 

[Hyperion66]

Are you a BD fan Lakers? Please don't get me wrong, I'm just curious.

Sorry missed your last post, yup guessed it right.

 

[lakers81]

Are you a BD fan Lakers? Please don't get me wrong, I'm just curious.

I am.

Born in 91 lived in dhaka till 99 before hopping over to maga country in USA (love lakers only LAL fan on earth who didnt want Lebron to sign with the Lakers).

 

[Snatch]

But a team needing last second miracle twice means that team is lucky as heck.



.

What the heck are you talking about? What miracle happened in the wins over Bangladesh and South Africa? We must have watched different games.

 

[shazia9000]

Nz have beem lucky. they had the easy games firat. they had the loosing game washed off, and against south africa they have had lots of luck. yes i agree with you. But i hope and promise they will get hammered in the semis

 

[Snatch]

Nz have beem lucky. they had the easy games firat. they had the loosing game washed off, and against south africa they have had lots of luck. yes i agree with you. But i hope and promise they will get hammered in the semis

Why aren't other teams lucky when they win? Is it just NZ?

 

[volcyz]

Lmao another salty thread as if some grave divine injustice has been done to some teams when the key to world cups have been win ur matches in whatever way possible.


Such a sore loser thread cropping up again as wounds are being licked cos some people’s favourite ain’t done enough even tho they could’ve done more.

 

[Hasan123]

Yes it seems absolutely pathetic & idiotic to complain about a format in which EVERY team plays EVERY team.

But then again, this is what we've come to expect from some of these delusional Pakistan fans we're all treated to on a daily basis.

Exactly . If Pakistan had the same fixture list there is no guarantee they would have won the 3 games on current form.

Our fanbase is another league when it comes to delusion.

 

[lakers81]

Why aren't other teams lucky when they win? Is it just NZ?

So South Africa 5-6 chances isnt luck or the fact they missed a run out chance as well.

Bangladesh missing out on numerous run out chances and mushfiqur hitting the wicket isnt Luck.

When India dominated Australia they dominated Australia.

When England abused and manhandled Bangladesh they absolutely torpedoed them.

When Australia beat Wi Coulter Nile played an amazing innings and the quicks caused WI to collapse. Same in the Sri Lanka game with Maxwell coming in and run controlling.

Can you tell me at one point where NZ against teams that they were favored against in BAN and RSA?

Where they outright dominated those teams.

 

[volcyz]

U should Bangla to stop choking as usual for them they seem to be making a nice habit of it

Especially vs India in that final lol

Tell SA to stop choking while ur at it too

 

[Hyperion66]

I am.

Born in 91 lived in dhaka till 99 before hopping over to maga country in USA (love lakers only LAL fan on earth who didnt want Lebron to sign with the Lakers).

Cheers bro

Ontopic: No, don't think they are lucky, it's a double edged sword actually, if you get complacent and fly too high after a few wins against weaker teams you will eventually come crashing down. They haven't faced proper challenge for some time it won't be easy for them to suddenly raise their game against stronger opponents.

 

[hitthestump]

NZ have definitely had an disproportionately easy start and it's definitely worked in their favour.

Just another reason why this WC is looking decidedly underwhelming so far given the potential it had.

 

[gazza619]

Jacinda Ardern’s team deserves all the luck in the world.

 

[Space Cat]

Its not really lucky if Bangladesh are awful at fielding its just lack of skill on their part.

Nz were also cruising in that game and gave Bang a sniff with some idiotic shots.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Hey man I am from Bangladesh as well. Kiwis will be playing Aussies, England and Pakistan soon enough. They weren't lucky, have you seen their fielding apart from the two dropped catches today. They have been the best professional unit. Lost respect for Kane today though, gained respect for Kohli

 

[I think therfore I am]

This thread might be somewhat controversial to ask or say, but nonetheless I am curious about to know others opinion on this.

Right now I would say only India and England (although for England their hardest games are coming up with IND, AUS, NZ) are the only teams that have not looked the part but played the part as well as strong favorites or deserving team. Much of the others are either non contenders or not really a dark horse barring Bangladesh.

Even Australia a team known for it's dominance looked questionable at times (Sri Lanka, West Indies, Pakistan matches).

BUT the major difference between Australia and NZ I feel is that Australia stole the game away from those teams with timely wickets and timely runs.

With NZ I feel they have to be the luckiest team in the history of the world cup.

1. Easy schedule to start (complete opposite of IND and PAK) - facing AFG, SL, BAN, IND, RSA (only IND is a threat there) and that game got washed out.

2. In the BAN game, BAN blew numerous run out chances and the Mushfiq **** up was the worst one.

3. In the RSA game I can count about 7 chances they blew, and 5 of them late with 3 in the Tahir over alone.

Now I will give credit to individual players where it's due, Santner, Williamson, and Ferguson have been absolutely sublime this WC, but as a team I think the Black Caps have lucked out big time.

It's a done deal India, Eng, Aus & NZ. Eng to win final vs Ind

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

It's a done deal India, Eng, Aus & NZ. Eng to win final vs Ind

I think Eng vs Ind group stage match will be a tie. I agree with the final

 

[Aman]

Batsmen haven't had much time to get any form or momentum, the rain out gave them a week off and before that most of them hadn't had a chance to bat because they were chasing small totals.

 

[Aman]

Its not really lucky if Bangladesh are awful at fielding its just lack of skill on their part.

Nz were also cruising in that game and gave Bang a sniff with some idiotic shots.

The only reason that game ended up clsoe was NRR, Kane and Latham all played shots trying to finish the game as fast as possible. Then Neesham and CdG all picked out fielders with dumb shots. We could have cruised it but they wanted to finish the game ASAP because of NRR. Bangladesh never going to win it.

 

[zulfiqar]

I would bet my mortgage that this current set of players would still not get through.

That's a pretty large bet to make depending on where you live man!

 

[JaDed]

I am.

Born in 91 lived in dhaka till 99 before hopping over to maga country in USA (love lakers only LAL fan on earth who didnt want Lebron to sign with the Lakers).

Even i didnt want the champ to sign in with LA clowns

 

[Phantom Menace]

People are acting like only South Africa missed chances or had bad luck. NZ dropped easier catches and messed up multiple run out chances. Guptill was set for a big score and slipped for hit wicket. That was the biggest slice of luck all game and it went South Africa's way. It will probably never happen again in his career and if it didn't happen this game there was a good chance NZ win by 6 or 7 wickets with 5 overs to spare and game isn't even seen as close.

Yes NZ had some lucky breaks but over the whole game luck was close to even.

 

[Bhaijaan]

4-5 matches to go still.

Let’s wait for them to finish. A lot of drama left still. Don’t count your chickens yet

 

[Executioner]

I agree with OP in regards to the fact that NZ had some real luck against teams like BD(runouts) and as for South Africa match, they were incredibly lucky to come out with a win as any other top team would have beaten them given the oppurtunities NZ gave. And don't forget NZ had its match washed out against India who are along with England, the likely champions of this tournament.

BUT

Luck is a part of the game. You know what New Zealand did? They rode their luck. When the luck presented themselves, they capitalised because that is what TOP TEAMS DO. Have any of you lads watched BD's win against WI and SA? BD scored a big chunk of runs by edges. In the entire competition, Bangladesh have scored 20% of its runs from uncontrolled shots yet they are sitting at the top half of the points table.

And there is no point blaming the format. Because every team plays against each other one way or the other.

 

[Indiafan]

So South Africa 5-6 chances isnt luck or the fact they missed a run out chance as well.

Bangladesh missing out on numerous run out chances and mushfiqur hitting the wicket isnt Luck.

When India dominated Australia they dominated Australia.

When England abused and manhandled Bangladesh they absolutely torpedoed them.

When Australia beat Wi Coulter Nile played an amazing innings and the quicks caused WI to collapse. Same in the Sri Lanka game with Maxwell coming in and run controlling.

Can you tell me at one point where NZ against teams that they were favored against in BAN and RSA?

Where they outright dominated those teams.

You are ignoring how NZ missed a lot to catches and run out too. Also that their two main batsmen were really unlucky, guptill was hit wicket after slipping and Taylor was strangled down the leg off a bad delivery

 

[Snatch]

So South Africa 5-6 chances isnt luck or the fact they missed a run out chance as well.

Bangladesh missing out on numerous run out chances and mushfiqur hitting the wicket isnt Luck.

When India dominated Australia they dominated Australia.

When England abused and manhandled Bangladesh they absolutely torpedoed them.

When Australia beat Wi Coulter Nile played an amazing innings and the quicks caused WI to collapse. Same in the Sri Lanka game with Maxwell coming in and run controlling.

Can you tell me at one point where NZ against teams that they were favored against in BAN and RSA?

Where they outright dominated those teams.

I wouldn't normal bring it up, but if people are going to whine about NZ being lucky in this game, then I'll play the game too. What about SA's luck?

Countless close run-out chances
Boult uncharacteristically dropping a dolly
Ferguson dropping an easy one
Several inside edges from SA only just missing the stumps
Munro unluckily caught & bowled from a bat pad ballooning back to the bowler
Guptill hit-wicket for the 1st time in his career slipping on the soft surface(and it wasn't like it was a bowler induced wicket from a really good short ball)
Taylor strangled down the leg side from a poor delivery

I feel cheap even listing these, but I'm making the point there are always moments teams can look at as bad luck, often it depends on your bias.

 

[giri26]

New Zealand team combination is off and both Neesham and Grandhomme should not be in the same XI. They will be exposed in the upcoming games. They have been lucky with the bowling so far. On a flat pitch those two bowlers can be hammered and they also make the batting weak.

 

[ak619]

Jacinda Ardern’s team deserves all the luck in the world.

I thought we shouldn't be mixing sports with politics.

 

[ak619]

OP, no I don't think NZ have been lucky overall in this WC.

However, in yesterday's match against SA they certainly were lucky. There's no doubt about it.

 

[Snatch]

OP, no I don't think NZ have been lucky overall in this WC.

However, in yesterday's match against SA they certainly were lucky. There's no doubt about it.

Munro an unlucky bat-pad caught and bowled
Guptill an almost freakishly unlucky walking on his stumps after slipping on the soft surface
Taylor strangled down the legside

That's 3 of their top batsmen falling to very unlucky dismissals. That was evened out since Williamson got lucky.

Apart from these 3 key batsmen falling to unlucky dismissals, what about when SA batted and NZ dropped 3 catches, missed several run-out chances and several very close- played on inside edges?

Did you forget about South Africa's luck?

 

[jeetu]

Luckiest team was Keyna who reached 2003 semi finals. Big reason was that NZ forfeit their match.

 

[big_gamer007]

Lucky? I would say other teams were incompetent and reserve to lose.

 

[Ab Fan]

The top four are simply a level ahead of the rest.

I also don't consider NZ a bigger threat except the fact that Boult doesn't make any early damage. If that happens, NZ have the ability to remain in control of the match and the likes of Williamson, Taylor and Guptill are good enough to chase down atleast a chaseable score if not something special.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Easily

Rain has always favored NZ.

2015 Semi-Final against South Africa
2019 Washout games - New Zealand vs India and Pakistan vs Sri Lanka
2019 Semi-Final against India

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Maybe this was one of their fluke wins like the wins Pakistan enjoyed in this tournament [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]?

 

[Mamoon]

Maybe this was one of their fluke wins like the wins Pakistan enjoyed in this tournament [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]?

Wasn't a fluke, New Zealand are the third ranked team for a reason. They are lethal when the ball swings and they bowled superbly today.

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

No, not can beat Pakistan being the luckiest team in the history of the world cup so far. Rain saved Pakistan from a complete humiliation against England (they were bowled out for 70 or so) to give them a vital one point to help them scrape into the semis. They played their best match of the tournament in that semi against New Zealand and were helped by poor umpiring decisions to lift the cup in the final.

 

[Hasan123]

They have had some luck. But they have also played some good cricket . They have also been smart. In the semi final with the bat they got themselves to a decent score. And managing NRR in the group stages was clever.

 

[nads_rocks]

Luck or no luck, they got to where they are on their own merit they had 1 game washed out, they were 6 games undefeated, lost against pakistan but at that time they were already in the top 4 with the points and their amazing nrr.

I don't think luck plays a part because all teams who got into the semi's got their by merit not hand outs. I'm sure New Zealand could have beaten India in the group stages had rain not intervened because they were on form and they had beaten India in the warm ups too I believe 182ao or something if I am not mistaken.

Today New Zealand against all odds and against a Packed out Indian crowd bit like Rocky Vs Ivan Drago where Stallone was not only fighting a machine but a hostile russian crowd too.

New Zealand were under more pressure than India as nobody really gave them any chance but they grasped it and performed like true warriors out there and it worked because they got the results.

When the squad was announced, New Zealand easily became favourites for the semi's. The final however was Eng Vs Ind all over it and that did not stop New Zealand to focus on what they need to do and Bount and Co made sure they step into the final.

Boult and Ferguson can run riot on any batting order and today they did just that. If this is luck then so be it but I think for a team to get to the final, luck gets wiped out especially when they have performed how they have, they had a great start and they took advantage of that great start to their campaign and moved on from the losses against Pakistan, Australia, England etc...

 

[Snatch]

I'm just pleased we can move past this ridiculously childish notion from some Pakistan fans in the last week claiming NZ were undeserving semifinalists.

Sure they have been playing a long way below their best in the WC so far, but they always did enough in terms of what they needed to do to make the semis, within their own control, & without relying on other teams results (they were never going to lose their NRR to Pakistan in those last couple of games each team had).

I'm also glad we can also put to bed the notion that Pakistan would have been better competition in the semis than NZ, and furthermore that NZ were lucky to pick up 1 point for the rained out pool match vs. India. They have now proved that it was no fluke after beating India in the warm-ups.

 

[Ab Fan]

They are good in producing classics where they end up on a winning note.

Brilliant team under pressure situations. Performs beyond their ability.

 

[Robert]

No such thing as luck over a long period - just skill and hard work.

 

[Dead Ball]

No luck.

As an Indian, I concede they were truly a level above us yesterday in all departments.

India just couldn't get their A game when needed the most, NZ did.

 

[Bewal Express]

They are a proper team, no frills, just sheer hard work.

 

[Kianig89]

Punching above their weight just imagine if Santner had an off day

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

Not Lucky. They're the best bowling unit of this worldcup to go with being the best fielding side of the world. If their batting clicks, i expect them to win the worldcup

 

[90MPH]

They won when it mattered.

They definitely haven’t been any of the better teams in this tournament but have just done enough and played exceptionally well to beat one of the favourites.

 

[hadi123]

Punching above their weight just imagine if Santner had an off day

Don't understand this logic. Having an off day isn't something to do with luck, such as flicking a coin. He could have had an off day, but he didn't, as he bowled well, what's the point you're trying to make?

That's like an obese man suffering a heart attack due to their lack of control over their body - bad diet and/or lack of exercise and saying "just imagine if I wasn't fat"

 

[Kianig89]

Don't understand this logic. Having an off day isn't something to do with luck, such as flicking a coin. He could have had an off day, but he didn't, as he bowled well, what's the point you're trying to make?

That's like an obese man suffering a heart attack due to their lack of control over their body - bad diet and/or lack of exercise and saying "just imagine if I wasn't fat"

im saying if santner hadn't bowled well then NZ would have ran out of options just like Grandhomme was off color

 

[Mueez]

The luckiest team got unlucky at the worst moment.

Harsh isn’t it...

Reality of life.

 

[DeadBall]

Well, this backfired spectacularly.

 

[Hasan123]

They didn't deserve to get through than most of yall were cheering them in the final. Will never ever forget that. I told you NZ deserved to be in the final 4. Than they earned their place in the final. Whoever won it on Sunday would have deserved it. England had a little bit more luck and held their nerve.

NZ had luck but overall they deserved to be in the final. Certain posters should hang their head in shame.

 

[Captain caveman]

New zealand the unluckiest team in cricket, ever!!!

 

[James]

lol how times change, apparently Lucky NZ were briefly the most hated and resented team on the forum, but true to form the baton has now passed back to Lucky England.

 

[Captain caveman]

lol how times change, apparently Lucky NZ were briefly the most hated and resented team on the forum, but true to form the baton has now passed back to Lucky England.

England did nothing wrong and won the world cup according to the icc tournament rules!
But if people dismiss the fact that england were incredibly lucky to have won the match, then i don't think they are being genuine!!

 

[James]

England did nothing wrong and won the world cup according to the icc tournament rules!
But if people dismiss the fact that england were incredibly lucky to have won the match, then i don't think they are being genuine!!

Of course England were lucky. They were good, but also the cookie crumbled nicely for them and they got all the fortuitous bounces of the ball.

It is quite common in sport for wins to have an element of luck. Sometimes things are written in the stars and no earthly force can prevent them from coming to pass.

Tomorrow it is England who will be out of luck and someone else will benefit.

 

[Captain caveman]

Of course England were lucky. They were good, but also the cookie crumbled nicely for them and they got all the fortuitous bounces of the ball.

It is quite common in sport for wins to have an element of luck. Sometimes things are written in the stars and no earthly force can prevent them from coming to pass.

Tomorrow it is England who will be out of luck and someone else will benefit.

Fair enough, you at least acknowledge the huge slice of luck, many others just dismiss the notion!!

Anyway, congratulations to you and
ENGLAND ARE THE ICC MENS 2019 WORLD CHAMPIONS!!

After losing 3 times in the final, i guess england deserved some luck!!
But i genuinely feel sorry for new zealand!!

 

[Itachi]

New zealand the unluckiest team in cricket, ever!!!

Life evens out. NZ was lucky till the final. And then life slammed them with unluck all together at once.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Those who said England are lucky in the final, well NZ are lucky to even qualify for semi. They had the best luck in WC by far.

 

[Captain caveman]

"Life evens out", you find a penny and then go on to lose a tenner!

 

[shane]

To the extent that luck is an actual thing, I have always felt NZ are the luckiest of all cricket teams. And that is why I was surprised when they lost the final they way they did - I mean, if it was South Africa (probably the most unlucky team) then I would have almost expected it, but not NZ. Maybe it's just luck levelling itself out.