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Sticking my neck out a bit but I firmly believe this to be the case.

Ignore the ten team debate and all that, even taking this event as it is I'm convinced this World Cup will go down as an exceptionally dull event.

Pitches - 350 is arguably below par they are so flat. What this will mean is that the margins of victory are going to get bigger and bigger and bigger, first innings totals will get bigger and bigger and bigger and records will be smashed.

Teams - 10 teams with four qualifying. If results go a certain way we could see a situation 5 games in where the top 4 are all but nailed on yet there remains about 3 weeks to go.

And last but not the least, the group stage lasts, what, five weeks?? Who does this??

Yeah maybe I'll be wrong but I'm convinced this tournament will be boring as hell. Only hope of an upset is that Afghanistan turn over a big team with their spin.

Just hate seeing what cricket has become. Middle overs are so dull especially because there's no chance of wickets, any wickets that do fall mean nothing and teams just plod along at a run a ball without a care in the world.
 
Certainly, the balance between bat and ball needs to be restored, not just in the WC but in general.
 
10 teams...Dead pitches....Profit?

Teams like Ireland, Scotland, Zimbabwe, Nepal not making the world cup so the old boys can play in their treehouse is nothing short of a disgrace.
 
I'd make two changes to ODIs:

1) Change the ball from Kookaburra to Dukes, and make it one new ball not two. I don't mind flat pitches for ODIs but sort the ball out !

2) Let bowlers bowl up to 12 overs not 10. You won't need part-timers or all rounders to make up the overs, allowing your best bowlers to bowl for longer.
 
I am gonna just laugh as India stumbles its way around.

Don't care about the WC at all.

Lame rules.

Lame pitches.

Lake management (BCCI).

Time pass really.

Just hope the streak doesn't end.
 
Hasan123 said:
No it won't be. Not every game will be like these 2 games.
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Yes they will. At least 50% in my book. Every ODI series in England is an absolute run fest, the Royal London One Day Cup has 400 scores every second game. Its a graveyard for bowlers.

topspin said:
Nah just because Ireland aren't in it...
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Nope. We were in 2015 and quite good too and while our matches were great, the overall tournament was somewhat flat. This will be worse imo because now there's no upset potential or even the entertainment that generally arises when two "lower" teams battle it out in a close game.

England look a million bucks on a pitch like this but take them out of their comfort zone the batting gets brutally exposed imo.

150 up in 17 overs. 23 boundaries in 17 overs.

Its at the stage now where boundaries have gone from being really good shots to rude slowdowns in the game. four, break, music, dot, single, six, break, music, four, music, break etc etc......
 
A target is in danger of being chased down within 40 overs. This is boring.
 
This is crazy now. I don't see much bowlers succeeding here. Maybe only Bumrah, Starc.
 
I said this before they have made ODIs a longer version of T20s, and no one is interested in watching this.
 
sam_ahm said:
I said this before they have made ODIs a longer version of T20s, and no one is interested in watching this.
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I just think to myself, imagine in, say, 2010 England conceded 360 and were 150/0 after 17 overs, the stadium would be bloody hopping.

Nowadays a boundary barely musters a clap let alone a cheer, everyone just seems in a trance.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Yes they will. At least 50% in my book. Every ODI series in England is an absolute run fest, the Royal London One Day Cup has 400 scores every second game. Its a graveyard for bowlers.



Nope. We were in 2015 and quite good too and while our matches were great, the overall tournament was somewhat flat. This will be worse imo because now there's no upset potential or even the entertainment that generally arises when two "lower" teams battle it out in a close game.

England look a million bucks on a pitch like this but take them out of their comfort zone the batting gets brutally exposed imo.

150 up in 17 overs. 23 boundaries in 17 overs.

Its at the stage now where boundaries have gone from being really good shots to rude slowdowns in the game. four, break, music, dot, single, six, break, music, four, music, break etc etc......
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Not every pitch is a flat pitch. Also if there is cloud around that could change things. Why not wait until we have seen a few games before predicting doomsday?
 
It's really depressing to watch ODIs in England these days. Sure you get those 350-400 pitches in India as well but there have been plenty of pitches in the 280-320 range as well .
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's really depressing to watch ODIs in England these days. Sure you get those 350-400 pitches in India as well but there have been plenty of pitches in the 280-320 range as well .
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India to its credit has actually improved a lot in this regard to my recollection. I seem to recall in 2013 every game being boring but nowadays you tend to get 240-270 tracks and the odd belter, which is fine by me.
 
I agree..
This is just boring.
A poor batting team scoring 360 and the other team cheating it down...
The bowling side of the game has been taken out completely..
 
Donal Cozzie said:
India to its credit has actually improved a lot in this regard to my recollection. I seem to recall in 2013 every game being boring but nowadays you tend to get 240-270 tracks and the odd belter, which is fine by me.
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Yes. That Australia-India ODI series was played on very flat wickets and I think even many Indian fans were sick of those 350+scores in every other match. Heck even our T20 pitches are not always belters.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
I just think to myself, imagine in, say, 2010 England conceded 360 and were 150/0 after 17 overs, the stadium would be bloody hopping.

Nowadays a boundary barely musters a clap let alone a cheer, everyone just seems in a trance.
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Absolutely... also the day is not far when the likes of Jason Roy will have more career runs than the likes of Brian Lara.
 
sam_ahm said:
Absolutely... also the day is not far when the likes of Jason Roy will have more career runs than the likes of Brian Lara.
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True. Bairstow is good cricketer but even he has scored most of his runs today with ugly legside shots. You could not have gotten away with this approach more than a couple of times a few years ago. It was called poor shot selection.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It's really depressing to watch ODIs in England these days. Sure you get those 350-400 pitches in India as well but there have been plenty of pitches in the 280-320 range as well .
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A lot of English pundits I suspect will change their tune and will talk about restoring a bat-ball balance if England lose a high scoring knockout in the WC.
 
T20's have ensured that teams are not scared of scoring at 7 an over even if the bowling is good. They are willing to step out and take a lot of chances.

Its not just disgraceful pitches. Pitches have been flat since 2003 WC. Its just that batsmen are too skilled and can destroy even a yorker for a 6. Players 20yrs ago could only dream of scoring a single off a yorker.

Increasing the boundary size and decreasing the bat thickness could help.
 
troodon said:
T20's have ensured that teams are not scared of scoring at 7 an over even if the bowling is good. They are willing to step out and take a lot of chances.

Its not just disgraceful pitches. Pitches have been flat since 2003 WC. Its just that batsmen are too skilled and can destroy even a yorker for a 6. Players 20yrs ago could only dream of scoring a single off a yorker.

Increasing the boundary size and decreasing the bat thickness could help.
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Yep.

It has more to do with skills of the batsmen, and the risks they're now willing to take.

Batting has evolved.
 
The pitches in England have been a disgrace. The two new balls have killed reverse swing and made spinners ineffective, basically everything has been in favour of England.
 
The pitches will likely all be rigged into playing like pancakes; all so England can get the best chance of winning their home World Cup, given their “absolute runfest” strategy.

Whether that works or not, I can’t see England then winning back the Ashes later in the summer, as the conditions will still be too batting-friendly, and on flat pitches England generally get beaten by Australia.
 
Boring batting shoot out between England, India and Australia and maybe Windies if their sloggers strike gold.
 
I agree, if this series is anything to go by then this will be the most boring WC to date..

380 is looking like a par score 😴😴😴
 
If you are going to have 400 pitches, atleast break up the match into 4 parts.
:sachin

It takes 4 hours to know whether we will hav a competitive match or not.
 
troodon said:
T20's have ensured that teams are not scared of scoring at 7 an over even if the bowling is good. They are willing to step out and take a lot of chances.

Its not just disgraceful pitches. Pitches have been flat since 2003 WC. Its just that batsmen are too skilled and can destroy even a yorker for a 6. Players 20yrs ago could only dream of scoring a single off a yorker.

Increasing the boundary size and decreasing the bat thickness could help.
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I dont buy this whatsoever because every time we see a Test or an ODI on a tricky batting surface batsmen more often than not implode.

Has batting improved? Yes. Has it improved to the extent bowlers are helpless? No, its the conditions doing that.
 
Markhor said:
A lot of English pundits I suspect will change their tune and will talk about restoring a bat-ball balance if England lose a high scoring knockout in the WC.
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Honestly it is nauseating checking twitter seeing people claim Bairstow/Roy are leagues ahead of the great Aussie side of the noughties as their average and economy rates are better. English pundits seem to have well and truly gone all in on the hype train for a while and its very tiring. So and so 150 plus scores by English ODI cricketers wow omg. Four years ago they were, like me, bleating on about flat decks and stats being eroded! And now we're supposed to believe Bairstow and Roy are ATG's?

I will more than hold my hands up if I'm wrong and any English people feel free to quote me if I am, but I think if England get a tricky wicket at any stage this tournament they will implode because on good tracks their batting is helpless and bowling sub par. Their current side is immense on flat decks, outside them? I'm not convinced. They've feasted in these bilateral series but in knock out cricket its a totally different ballgame.
 
This world cup will be amazing for the sheer fact the format is great! Each team playing each team once is the way to do determine a world champion, not by shunting teams in groups of 3 with a token minnow!
 
troodon said:
T20's have ensured that teams are not scared of scoring at 7 an over even if the bowling is good. They are willing to step out and take a lot of chances.

Its not just disgraceful pitches. Pitches have been flat since 2003 WC. Its just that batsmen are too skilled and can destroy even a yorker for a 6. Players 20yrs ago could only dream of scoring a single off a yorker.

Increasing the boundary size and decreasing the bat thickness could help.
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This same England line up will struggle on a pitch that is slow or assist bowlers
 
Syed1 said:
Boring batting shoot out between England, India and Australia and maybe Windies if their sloggers strike gold.
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You have just described the business model that maximizes the profits for the ICC. Who cares about having a good game of cricket.
 
Bairstow and Roy are ATGs Imam is the best ever opener from Pakistan 3rd best batsman ever things are looking bleak as soon as there is cloud cover and movement the same legends will look like tailenders.
There is less doubt about one thing power hitting has gone to a new level big bats and small boundaries are compounding the misery for Bowlers.
 
Dont think there will be flat roads in worldcup icc will prepare the pitches so they will maintain little more balance between bat and ball
 
Completely agree. I want to see a more balanced world cup. Cricket is not just about batting.
 
You will see used pitches being played on, the ball will turn and there will be reverse. The problem is bowling attacks not like they used to be. Starc is off form and people believe Bumrah is the best bowler in the world . If he had played in the 1999 world cup, he wouldnt even be in the top 5.
 
The use of two balls has reduced the chances of reverse swing.By the time the reverse swing comes into play the game will almost over so will make no difference..
 
I don't see every pitch being a batting paradise. Just because you have seen a few batting belters doesn't mean this will be the case for 7 week tournament.

These same people calling it boring will be watching the tournament anyway. :)))

I cannot wait for the WC. I do believe there will be pitches which favour bowlers at times as well .
 
I want CT standard pitches please. So we can do well, and our bowlers will click on such tracks again. Pak bowlers on flat deck not good enough to fight the conditions out. Hasan Ali has been rubbish.
 
The pitches for this series were laid by the ECB, but the World Cup tracks will be curated by the ICC.
Hopefully they're looking for balance between bat and ball, as they are in most major tournaments. Remember how much the English complained about the lack of home field advantage after the Semi Final in Cardiff... Hopefully we get more of the same.
 
Donal Cozzie said:
Sticking my neck out a bit but I firmly believe this to be the case.

Ignore the ten team debate and all that, even taking this event as it is I'm convinced this World Cup will go down as an exceptionally dull event.

Pitches - 350 is arguably below par they are so flat. What this will mean is that the margins of victory are going to get bigger and bigger and bigger, first innings totals will get bigger and bigger and bigger and records will be smashed.

Teams - 10 teams with four qualifying. If results go a certain way we could see a situation 5 games in where the top 4 are all but nailed on yet there remains about 3 weeks to go.

And last but not the least, the group stage lasts, what, five weeks?? Who does this??

Yeah maybe I'll be wrong but I'm convinced this tournament will be boring as hell. Only hope of an upset is that Afghanistan turn over a big team with their spin.

Just hate seeing what cricket has become. Middle overs are so dull especially because there's no chance of wickets, any wickets that do fall mean nothing and teams just plod along at a run a ball without a care in the world.
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I would take you seriously but it's coming from an Ireland fan, off-course the World Cup is going to be exceptionally dull for you, there are so many spankings you can take right time after time? I find it funny you associates get the begging bowl out despite this harsh truth
 
Ireland is an entertaining side which has proven it can beat anyone on a given day. Would have been nice to have them in the tournament.

2 new balls is a disgrace, that said.
 
Once upon a time Wasim Akram & Glenn McGrath use to have odi economy rates of around 3.75.

Heard the commentators say the other day these days 7.5 is acceptable these days.
 
he gigantic scores on flat decks during the ongoing England versus Pakistan series has prompted the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) to redesign the official fans’ scorecards during World Cup to accommodate up to 500-run team totals.

One of the old world charms at any English ground is the printed scorecards that a spectator can buy at the end of day’s play or match by paying a pound or two. It is considered to be a souvenir for the fans.

“Scorecards bought by fans at games have a tally of runs that can be ticked off and for the World Cup they were originally designed to go up to 400. But at an operations meeting last week Steve Elworthy, the tournament director, realised they would have to be be redesigned with a tally of up to 500,” reported British newspaper Daily Telegraph.

Host England has one of the best batting line-ups in ODIs with the highest ever team total of 481 for 6 against Australia in Bristol last year.

In fact, in the ongoing series against Pakistan, England had scored 373 for 3 batting first in the second ODI in Southampton, only to find Pakistan nearly chasing the target, finishing at 361.

In the third ODI at Bristol, Pakistan scored 358 for 9 but the host chased down the target inside 45 overs.

With flat tracks expected during a hot English summer, a 500-run total for the first time may not be out of reach.

“Cricket is constantly evolving,” Tom Harrison, the ECB chief executive was quoted as saying by the newspaper during the launch of the Hundred competition on Wednesday.

“A great example of this was last night. It (England beating Pakistan) was the fifth highest successful run chase ever. We have had to change the scale of the scorecards for the World Cup so we go up to 500. We had to reprint the whole things because we think this is the tournament where the 500 run barrier will be breached for the first time in 50 over cricket,” Harrison said.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...ticipating-500-run-totals/article27147034.ece
 
Imagine if associate teams were playing... 500 would have definitely been breached.
 
Pretty poor stuff from ECB in terms of pitches, we can all hope that in WC 19 ICC can can maintain some sort of sanity otherwise RIP bowlers.

Why would a young kid would want to become bowlers if he would see bowlers being taken to cleaners in almost every other match with nothing to inspire.

4 batsmen in Eng lineup have SR of over 100 and two are in 90s with Root being only one in the 80s, surely there is ability but its not only that. There is no swing or seam movement and with two new balls there is no reverse as well (Maintained a good balance in cricket even on flat tracks when there was only one ball).

Pretty poor from ICC as well few years ago with that needless two balls rule after which stats have become monstrous for some of the players in terms of averages and SR.
 
Nasir Hussain and Ian Ward also talking about increasing run rates YOY and two new balls and how its effecting the overall game.
 
Titan24 said:
Pretty poor stuff from ECB in terms of pitches, we can all hope that in WC 19 ICC can can maintain some sort of sanity otherwise RIP bowlers.

Why would a young kid would want to become bowlers if he would see bowlers being taken to cleaners in almost every other match with nothing to inspire.

4 batsmen in Eng lineup have SR of over 100 and two are in 90s with Root being only one in the 80s, surely there is ability but its not only that. There is no swing or seam movement and with two new balls there is no reverse as well (Maintained a good balance in cricket even on flat tracks when there was only one ball).

Pretty poor from ICC as well few years ago with that needless two balls rule after which stats have become monstrous for some of the players in terms of averages and SR.
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Nasir also raising the point why would a kid want to become a bowler if things remain like this.
 
Its only top 5 teams (England, Ind, Aus, NZ and SA) will competing with 1 team (SA/NZ) will miss out.
The bottom 5 will just fill in the blanks. One of the boring World cup we will ever see.
 
If the pitches of WC are going to be same as this.

More than 80% of those teams will win that chase. Period.
 
Should use Dukes in the WC, they need to give something to the bowlers..it's boring to see batsmen scoring runs with so much ease and inflating their avgs
 
There is no new star in the last 4 years, that my worry. Its cricket which is at crisis...
 
world cup will be dull because we can't score that many runs. this is the reality
 
Not dull so far, tough wickets to bat on!
 
Slower, gripping wicket at the Oval, Bouncy track at TB and a green wicket at Wales. So far , this has been great to watch. No more of that mindless, thoughtless 350-400 decks.
 
I've been pleasantly surprised by the pitches so far, the world cup will be exciting this time.
 
[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] it has been great fun already! Vintage pace like fiyah from Windies, Stokes all-round performance against Saffers, and now Kiwis knocking over the Lankans.
 
Robert said:
[MENTION=136108]Donal Cozzie[/MENTION] it has been great fun already! Vintage pace like fiyah from Windies, Stokes all-round performance against Saffers, and now Kiwis knocking over the Lankans.
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Yep. This is going to be the best of 'em all. Fascinating cricket and wickets so far.
 
Pitches are fine , just want some more competitive games. It really isn't fun watching teams walk over the other one.

I did say the pitches would be better for the WC but I was expecting some closer contests. Hopefully that will change in the coming games.
 
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