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2020 Democratic Party presidential candidates [Bernie Sanders drops out Update#741]

The same was said for Obama, and what happened? During his 8 year term, Dems lost more than 1000 state-level seats, and end result was Trump.

Obama was a closet republican but he did deliver presidency twice. You are living in a bubble if you think America is ready for bernies level of socialism . People (that vote/boomers) like their big trucks and low taxes. They like living in Mc Mansions , they like having their guns. I am not sure how interaction you have with people out the city of sugarland but deep texas and even suburbs pas kingwood is Trump country . A lot of south ins trump country . If a dem got a chance to beat Trump "HE'll"have to have to do really well with the independents and undecided. He'll have to do exceptionally well with the minorities , suburban college educated folk , women and bring out young voters . So far Bernie seems to fit the bill but Pete is a smooth talker and people vote on personalities more than substance.I means that's how got trump ,Hilary had the best plans and most prepared but the personality of a wet rug .I'd vote a bernie begrudgingly but I hope hr pics a moderate as his VP nominee .
 
Obama was a closet republican but he did deliver presidency twice. You are living in a bubble if you think America is ready for bernies level of socialism . People (that vote/boomers) like their big trucks and low taxes. They like living in Mc Mansions , they like having their guns. I am not sure how interaction you have with people out the city of sugarland but deep texas and even suburbs pas kingwood is Trump country . A lot of south ins trump country . If a dem got a chance to beat Trump "HE'll"have to have to do really well with the independents and undecided. He'll have to do exceptionally well with the minorities , suburban college educated folk , women and bring out young voters . So far Bernie seems to fit the bill but Pete is a smooth talker and people vote on personalities more than substance.I means that's how got trump ,Hilary had the best plans and most prepared but the personality of a wet rug .I'd vote a bernie begrudgingly but I hope hr pics a moderate as his VP nominee .

I used to think the same way as you. In fact I was arguing that Biden was a safer pro dem establishment bet than Bernie. But then I looked at the map. Honestly it won’t take too many states to flip for a dem to best trump.

Texas is always deep red. Bernie or Biden, it doesn’t matter. Same with Alabama, South Carolina, Louisiana, etc. just like California, WA, OR, NY, Other NE states, etc are deep blue.

The battle ground states are the Midwest and great lakes and I thought Bernie was doing bad there but he actually is not anymore. He just has to flip a few of them and thats all that matters! Path to 270!
 
Obama was a closet republican but he did deliver presidency twice. You are living in a bubble if you think America is ready for bernies level of socialism . People (that vote/boomers) like their big trucks and low taxes. They like living in Mc Mansions , they like having their guns. I am not sure how interaction you have with people out the city of sugarland but deep texas and even suburbs pas kingwood is Trump country . A lot of south ins trump country . If a dem got a chance to beat Trump "HE'll"have to have to do really well with the independents and undecided. He'll have to do exceptionally well with the minorities , suburban college educated folk , women and bring out young voters . So far Bernie seems to fit the bill but Pete is a smooth talker and people vote on personalities more than substance.I means that's how got trump ,Hilary had the best plans and most prepared but the personality of a wet rug .I'd vote a bernie begrudgingly but I hope hr pics a moderate as his VP nominee .

Houston and Austin usually go blue because of high immigrant and minority votes. The rate Katy is expanding west with mostly desis and whatnot, and let us not forget about the Latino vote.. they will vote for Bernie!
 
I used to think the same way as you. In fact I was arguing that Biden was a safer pro dem establishment bet than Bernie. But then I looked at the map. Honestly it won’t take too many states to flip for a dem to best trump.

Texas is always deep red. Bernie or Biden, it doesn’t matter. Same with Alabama, South Carolina, Louisiana, etc. just like California, WA, OR, NY, Other NE states, etc are deep blue.

The battle ground states are the Midwest and great lakes and I thought Bernie was doing bad there but he actually is not anymore. He just has to flip a few of them and thats all that matters! Path to 270!

Lets hope so , The rust belt is where it counts , the fly over states want to be heard .Trump's sitting on an ever increasing wad of cash he wont be pulling any punches. Bernie's age and his heart attack along with him calling himself a (democratic)socialist will be enough cannon fodder . Add to that rampant fake news and bernie being of jewish faith . I really hope that he excites his base and young people dont just sit on their ***** bitxhin on IG instead of voting. For the first time in the country millennial's and gen x combined outnumber the boomers ...
 
Houston and Austin usually go blue because of high immigrant and minority votes. The rate Katy is expanding west with mostly desis and whatnot, and let us not forget about the Latino vote.. they will vote for Bernie!

Yes but not enough flip the state. Have you seen the kind of gerrymandering that goes in texas to keep it red. Just pull up some maps. Besides the major cities the state is as red as it gets . Even the burbs outside big cities are purple if not red. Don't get me wrong , people in texas are not huge fans of trump but they are conservative and they are republicans . They really don;t care for trumps NY attitude but they do believe that he is the guy that's standing up for them and standing between them and dems who will take away their guns.Hell trump only carried the state by 9 points which in my opinion is not that great for a state that's so red . Most other republicans carried the state by 12 points or more ( except for when clintons were running)
 
Democrats are far left now. Nobody in their right mind would vote for them.

It will be Trump again and it doesn't matter who Dems will put against him.
 
Yes but not enough flip the state. Have you seen the kind of gerrymandering that goes in texas to keep it red. Just pull up some maps. Besides the major cities the state is as red as it gets . Even the burbs outside big cities are purple if not red. Don't get me wrong , people in texas are not huge fans of trump but they are conservative and they are republicans . They really don;t care for trumps NY attitude but they do believe that he is the guy that's standing up for them and standing between them and dems who will take away their guns.Hell trump only carried the state by 9 points which in my opinion is not that great for a state that's so red . Most other republicans carried the state by 12 points or more ( except for when clintons were running)

Yeah I know. It’s ridiculous. I’m in the rust belt. It’s very hard to get a pulse of things right now. But out of PA, Ohio, WI, MI, etc... if Bernie flips only half, he can beat Trump.. that’s what I’m hoping for.. the ** folks are certainly very energized.
 
Bernie is the only likeable candidate now that Yang has dropped out. I really liked Andrew Yang’s ideas(especially UBI), too bad he decided to drop out.

Bernie’s going to win the nomination, and he’s the only one going to be able to beat Trump.

Forget that Bloomberg or Buttigieg is going to beat Trump.
 
No way in hell Americans are going to vote in a Gay president yet.

Half the country lost their mind when a Black man was a president
 
Obama was a closet republican but he did deliver presidency twice. You are living in a bubble if you think America is ready for bernies level of socialism . People (that vote/boomers) like their big trucks and low taxes. They like living in Mc Mansions , they like having their guns. I am not sure how interaction you have with people out the city of sugarland but deep texas and even suburbs pas kingwood is Trump country . A lot of south ins trump country . If a dem got a chance to beat Trump "HE'll"have to have to do really well with the independents and undecided. He'll have to do exceptionally well with the minorities , suburban college educated folk , women and bring out young voters . So far Bernie seems to fit the bill but Pete is a smooth talker and people vote on personalities more than substance.I means that's how got trump ,Hilary had the best plans and most prepared but the personality of a wet rug .I'd vote a bernie begrudgingly but I hope hr pics a moderate as his VP nominee .

Convenient thing to say now that Obama was a closet Republican when all of the mainstream media is finding ways to make Buttigieg "Obama 2.0". If you are betting your hopes on Texas to turn blue and be the difference-maker for Dems then Dems have already lost the election.

Smooth-talking of Pete hasn't won him any minority votes, he is still in 5-8% range with minorities. No Trump didn't get elected on his personality, he got elected due to continuous negligence of the working class (in rust belt states) by the moderate Democratic leadership for 8 years.
 
Lets hope so , The rust belt is where it counts , the fly over states want to be heard .Trump's sitting on an ever increasing wad of cash he wont be pulling any punches. Bernie's age and his heart attack along with him calling himself a (democratic)socialist will be enough cannon fodder . Add to that rampant fake news and bernie being of jewish faith . I really hope that he excites his base and young people dont just sit on their ***** bitxhin on IG instead of voting. For the first time in the country millennial's and gen x combined outnumber the boomers ...

Guess who is beating the drum most on making Bernie look as bad as possible? The "Liberal" mainstream media. They are going out of the way to make that happen. They wanted Bernie to apologize and drop the endorsement of Joe Rogan. But they have no time to spent on their airways to discuss how Pete is faking the support from African American leaders. Pete has faked it not once but twice, but mainstream media won't say anything against their darling candidate.
 
I used to think the same way as you. In fact I was arguing that Biden was a safer pro dem establishment bet than Bernie. But then I looked at the map. Honestly it won’t take too many states to flip for a dem to best trump.

Texas is always deep red. Bernie or Biden, it doesn’t matter. Same with Alabama, South Carolina, Louisiana, etc. just like California, WA, OR, NY, Other NE states, etc are deep blue.

The battle ground states are the Midwest and great lakes and I thought Bernie was doing bad there but he actually is not anymore. He just has to flip a few of them and thats all that matters! Path to 270!

Hillary didn't even show up once in WI & OH. Lost both by 10-15k votes these along with PA were the blue wall states.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/UPDATE?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#UPDATE</a> Results from the Nevada caucuses, with 50% of all precincts reporting:-<br>Bernie Sanders 46%<br>Joe Biden 19%<br>Pete Buttigieg 15%<br>Elizabeth Warren 10%<br>Amy Klobuchar 4%<a href="https://t.co/TwWNHPmRj8">https://t.co/TwWNHPmRj8</a></p>— AFP news agency (@AFP) <a href="https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1231548112470249472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 23, 2020</a></blockquote>
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Head to head polls versus Trump in Wisconsin don't look good for Democratic candidates. They'd need to flip another Trump held state like Arizona or Florida in addition to winning back Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Unless the economy crashes and Trump voters' pocketbooks are hit, I sadly see another four years of this insanity, corporate giveaways, climate vandalism, casual cruelty, diplomatic arson and open bigotry. Sanders will not unite the Democratic Party. He'll be fighting both the well funded Republican establishment that'll resort to every dirty trick in the book, and the Democratic establishment who despise him too since he'll kick out the DC consultant class and attempt real reform.

Americans are a lost cause and so is my country. You can blame anything from flawed voting systems, underfunded education systems leading to a lack of critical thinking, TV news broadcasts that promote entertainment ahead of information, "both sides-ism" instead of fact, and social media encouraging cultism and groupthink.
 
Head to head polls versus Trump in Wisconsin don't look good for Democratic candidates. They'd need to flip another Trump held state like Arizona or Florida in addition to winning back Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Unless the economy crashes and Trump voters' pocketbooks are hit, I sadly see another four years of this insanity, corporate giveaways, climate vandalism, casual cruelty, diplomatic arson and open bigotry. Sanders will not unite the Democratic Party. He'll be fighting both the well funded Republican establishment that'll resort to every dirty trick in the book, and the Democratic establishment who despise him too since he'll kick out the DC consultant class and attempt real reform.

Americans are a lost cause and so is my country. You can blame anything from flawed voting systems, underfunded education systems leading to a lack of critical thinking, TV news broadcasts that promote entertainment ahead of information, "both sides-ism" instead of fact, and social media encouraging cultism and groupthink.

Look at Trump and the Republican party, did he unite the republican party? No, Republicans had to move right to his ideology. The same will happen to the Democratic Party if Sanders becomes the nominee. Democrats are already falling in line with progressive ideology, just look at how far they have moved since 2016. Two biggest problems Dems establishment has with Sanders is he is not a "Democrat" and he is strongly pushing to take money out of politics. That's why they are making up stuff to attack him, since they cannot really attack him on policies.

It's a mixed bag in Wisconson polls, depends on which poll you are looking at. But overall yes, it is a lot closer in Wisoncons than I was hoping for. Florida has a fairly good chance of turning blue due to voting rights fight, which has so far gone in favor of Democrats. Almost 1.4 voters might get the right to vote in Florida primaries and the 2020 General Election.
 
Look at Trump and the Republican party, did he unite the republican party? No, Republicans had to move right to his ideology. The same will happen to the Democratic Party if Sanders becomes the nominee. Democrats are already falling in line with progressive ideology, just look at how far they have moved since 2016. Two biggest problems Dems establishment has with Sanders is he is not a "Democrat" and he is strongly pushing to take money out of politics. That's why they are making up stuff to attack him, since they cannot really attack him on policies.

It's a mixed bag in Wisconson polls, depends on which poll you are looking at. But overall yes, it is a lot closer in Wisoncons than I was hoping for. Florida has a fairly good chance of turning blue due to voting rights fight, which has so far gone in favor of Democrats. Almost 1.4 voters might get the right to vote in Florida primaries and the 2020 General Election.

Correction: **Almost 1.4million voters**
 
Head to head polls versus Trump in Wisconsin don't look good for Democratic candidates. They'd need to flip another Trump held state like Arizona or Florida in addition to winning back Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Unless the economy crashes and Trump voters' pocketbooks are hit, I sadly see another four years of this insanity, corporate giveaways, climate vandalism, casual cruelty, diplomatic arson and open bigotry. Sanders will not unite the Democratic Party. He'll be fighting both the well funded Republican establishment that'll resort to every dirty trick in the book, and the Democratic establishment who despise him too since he'll kick out the DC consultant class and attempt real reform.

Americans are a lost cause and so is my country. You can blame anything from flawed voting systems, underfunded education systems leading to a lack of critical thinking, TV news broadcasts that promote entertainment ahead of information, "both sides-ism" instead of fact, and social media encouraging cultism and groupthink.
Not true at all.. you need to check where you are getting your facts from.

In theory Dems need to flip three states overall in addition to those they held in 2016 and quite honestly this margin is far far narrower than recently contested elections so not entirely unfathomable.. its very realistic and doable..
 
Correction: **Almost 1.4million voters**

That’s what I am hoping for. FL surely has to swing blue in light of the disenchantment of the Latinos. Leaves only two more states to flip for the Dems. Will be interesting!
 
Not true at all.. you need to check where you are getting your facts from.

In theory Dems need to flip three states overall in addition to those they held in 2016 and quite honestly this margin is far far narrower than recently contested elections so not entirely unfathomable.. its very realistic and doable..

What facts are false ? If they're losing in Wisconsin, they'll need another Trump held state in addition to flipping Michigan and Pennsylvania.
 
What a s**t show debate. This debate did no favors or harm to anyone. Biden will win SC by 3-4 points. I dont think 3-4 point win will be enough to buy him any momentum on Super Tuesday, but still a win is a win. If he does not win SC, then Biden should just suspend his campaign.

Time for Tusli (should have dropped out long time ago), Amy, Warren and Steyer to drop out after SC. Pete should follow them after first Super Tuesday.
 
Biden wins South Carolina, hopes for Super Tuesday momentum

Former US Vice President Joe Biden scored a convincing victory in South Carolina's Democratic primary on Saturday, riding a wave of African American support and ending the winning streak of Vermont senator and rival Bernie Sanders.

The victory came at a crucial moment in Biden's 2020 bid as the moderate Democrat bounced back from underwhelming performances in the first three contests.

The race now quickly shifts to next week's "Super Tuesday," when voters in 14 states award one-third of the total number of presidential delegates.

"We are very much alive," Biden declared at an exuberant post-election rally. "For all of you who have been knocked down, counted out, left behind - this is your campaign."

The South Carolina primary was the first major test of the candidates' appeal among black voters. And while it gave the 77-year-old Biden a win when he most needed it, he must still prove that he has the financial and organisational resources to dramatically expand his campaign in the next 72 hours.

Seven candidates remain in the race to take on incumbent Donald Trump in the November election. As well as Biden and the 78-year-old Sanders, who came second, other contenders include Elizabeth Warren, a liberal senator from Massachusetts, and billionaire former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg.

The Associated Press declared Biden the winner just after the polls closed in South Carolina, basing the call on data from AP VoteCast, a survey of the electorate conducted for the AP by NORC at the University of Chicago. The survey showed a convincing win for Biden.

Sanders congratulated Biden on his first win and said it was nothing for his supporters to worry about.

"Tonight, we did not win in South Carolina. That will not be the only defeat. A lot of states in this country. Nobody wins them all," he told a cheering crowd in Virginia, one of 14 states to vote next week. "Now, we enter Super Tuesday."

Sanders is spending the lead-up to Super Tuesday campaigning in Boston, Warren's political turf, and Minnesota, the home state of Amy Klobuchar, who is looking for her first win.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...s-super-tuesday-momentum-200301002419024.html
 
Buttigieg has dropped out. I had hoped for him to stay on at least until Super Tuesday so as to split the establishment vote. Wasn’t to be.

Also it looks like Biden’s SC victory was comprehensive. He was always favorite to win SC, but there was hope of a closer margin of victory.

We may be headed for a contested convention.
 
But Togo eh was an establishment candidate and he has been asked to concede, I think so the pro dem establishment voters can rally around Biden in the rest of the primaries. I think they will do anything to keep Sanders our and you can literally see the gears spinning to make sure it’s Biden and not sanders on the ticket. They did the same with sanders in 2016.

Like I said earlier, they do believe Biden is their best bet because the swing voters are usually centrists and sanders is too left.. so Biden would be the safe bet.
 
Biden will lose to Trump.

He can’t swing enough from the centralist Republicans (especially after their impeachment victory).
 
Incidentally, this was Biden’s first ever primary victory. The guy ran three times! And to say that he’s gonna beat Trump! The horror!
 
Gee man!
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Buttigieg was never gonna get even close to Trump. RW wouldn't have voted for him and so do Muslims so it would have been a landslide victory for Trump. I am more interested in 2024 elections, Who is it going to be Ivanka Trump, Trump Jr or Jared Kushner?
 
But Togo eh was an establishment candidate and he has been asked to concede, I think so the pro dem establishment voters can rally around Biden in the rest of the primaries. I think they will do anything to keep Sanders our and you can literally see the gears spinning to make sure it’s Biden and not sanders on the ticket. They did the same with sanders in 2016.

Like I said earlier, they do believe Biden is their best bet because the swing voters are usually centrists and sanders is too left.. so Biden would be the safe bet.

I suspect they would’ve offered him VP on an eventual Biden ticket, or a cabinet position should they win. However, it’s also being said that he had run out of money or was about to, so that probably played into the calculus too.
 
Apparently Biden's people told Klobashar to not drop out until after super tuesday to prevent bernman from winning minnessota
 
I suspect they would’ve offered him VP on an eventual Biden ticket, or a cabinet position should they win. However, it’s also being said that he had run out of money or was about to, so that probably played into the calculus too.

I heard Biden was running out.. Bernie has a very loyal base that never shied away from donations.
 
Apparently Biden's people told Klobashar to not drop out until after super tuesday to prevent bernman from winning minnessota

Biden has asked both Warren and Klobuchar to stay in the race until Super Tuesday, so Bernie does not get all the delegates in Massachusetts and Minnesota. Reports also mentioned that Biden and Buttigieg had a conversation, of some sort, before Buttigieg dropped out.
 
I didn't expect such a huge win for Biden in SC, but Clyburn's endorsement carries a lot of weight in SC. Bernie must overtake Biden in the overall popular vote and increase delegate lead to 125+ delegates after Super Tuesday. If that doesn't happen, it will make it easy for the establishment to give the democratic ticket to Biden.
 
I heard Biden was running out.. Bernie has a very loyal base that never shied away from donations.

Biden was running out, but he still has the backing of Super PACs. However, after SC win, he will get a big donation boost for March 10 primaries. Mainstream media will now carry him, with constant coverage of SC results, through Super Tuesday.
 
Like I said earlier, they do believe Biden is their best bet because the swing voters are usually centrists and sanders is too left.. so Biden would be the safe bet.

That's actually a misunderstanding a lot of people have. People who are independent usually have problems with both parties, and want the parties to be populist and work for the middle class. The establishment candidates represent status quo, and hence establishment candidates are more likely to lose independent voters than populist candidates. That's why Bernie is winning much more in the mid western swing states v/s Trump than Biden.
 
I didn't expect such a huge win for Biden in SC, but Clyburn's endorsement carries a lot of weight in SC. Bernie must overtake Biden in the overall popular vote and increase delegate lead to 125+ delegates after Super Tuesday. If that doesn't happen, it will make it easy for the establishment to give the democratic ticket to Biden.

For me, one of the frustrating part was so many African Americans (older ones, admittedly) voting for an establishment politician (Biden) based on the endorsement of an establishment politician (Clyburn). They are working against their own interests by voting for Biden, but they can't help it with the endorsement and Biden's association to Obama. What's funny though, Obama picked Biden as VP to appeal to white voters. Ironic.
 
Like I said earlier, they do believe Biden is their best bet because the swing voters are usually centrists and sanders is too left.. so Biden would be the safe bet.

I think this video is a good explanation for why left-right is out of date in the US and its more about establishment v/s populist.

 
Pete Buttigieg, the former Indiana mayor who made an ambitious run for president, has announced he is ending his campaign for the White House.

The 38-year-old became the first openly gay presidential candidate from a major party when he announced he was running for the Democratic nomination.

But despite a successful start, his campaign lost momentum in recent weeks.

His decision to drop out comes ahead of a key day on Tuesday in the Democratic race to take on Trump.

Fourteen states will vote on Super Tuesday, by the end of which staunch left-winger Bernie Sanders could have an unbeatable lead and be a step closer to the nomination.

His departure leaves six Democrats still in the running.

Speaking to supporters in his hometown of South Bend, Indiana, Mr Buttigieg stressed the values he said his campaign had hoped to promote.

"And so we must recognise that at this point in the race, the best way to keep faith with those goals and ideals is to step aside and help bring our party and our nation together," he said. "So tonight I am making the difficult decision to suspend my campaign for the presidency."

He pledged he would do "everything in my power" to ensure a Democratic win in November's election.

Mr Buttigieg surprisingly, and narrowly, won the first event of the primary season, the caucuses in Iowa on 3 February. But he failed to repeat that success and win the delegates needed to make him the front- runner and later confirm his nomination. He finished a distant fourth in South Carolina on Saturday.

How Buttigieg set his sights on the White House
It was one of the least likely runs for the presidency in years: Mr Buttigieg's only political experience had been as the centrist mayor of the 306th largest city in the US, South Bend, Indiana between 2012 and January this year.

Before then, he had served as a US Navy intelligence officer and in the Afghan war.

He was the first millennial to run for the White House, and would have been the youngest president to take office had he won.

The son of a Maltese immigrant, he had long been rumoured as a possible candidate in the 2020 election. But after announcing his candidacy in April last year, he was able to break through a crowded group to become one of the most recognisable faces in the campaign.

In that time, he raised more than $82m (£64m), according to the Federal Election Commission, one of the highest totals of all the candidates.

In recent weeks, his sexuality had been highlighted as an issue by critics - conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh asked if voters would pick a man "kissing his husband on stage".

Mr Buttigieg - pronounced Boot-Edge-Edge - came out as gay aged 33 and married his husband Chasten in June 2018.

He also struggled to build support among African-American voters, a point emphasised by his poor showing in South Carolina.

His record as mayor came under fire among minority voters - he had fired South Bend's first African American police chief and was criticised over how he handled the case of a white police officer who shot dead a black man last year.

How this news will help Biden
Just over a week ago, Pete Buttigieg had a lead in Democratic convention delegates. Now the former South Bend mayor is out of the race.

That's how quickly fortunes can change in presidential politics.

In the end, Buttigieg simply couldn't turn his early success into a national wave of support. While he thrived in the months of retail campaigning in the first two small - and exceedingly white - states, the Nevada and South Carolina results amply demonstrated that he was never going to catch on with the more diverse national Democratic electorate.

It's still a bit of a shock that Buttigieg pulled the plug rather than compete on Super Tuesday. By doing so, however, he avoids the potential for more defeats and helps Joe Biden, who will certainly appreciate the mayor's move to clear the field for him to better challenge Bernie Sanders one-on-one.

In the end, Buttigieg made an astounding effort, coming from nowhere to seriously challenge for the nomination, winning the Iowa caucuses and raising massive amounts of campaign cash. It's a remarkable accomplishment for the first openly gay presidential candidate with a difficult-to-pronounce name who was half the age of his closest presidential rivals.

His campaign will be one for the history books.

What happens next?
Super Tuesday is the most important date in the race to pick the nominee.

Democrats in 14 states will vote (as well as American Samoa and Democrats Abroad). A massive 1,357 delegates will be distributed - almost a third of all those available through the entire primary season. The two most populous states, California and Texas, will be among those voting.

Super Tuesday explained (with moose, cod and dinosaurs)
The entire picture could change in one day. Or we could see Mr Sanders cement his lead as the front-runner - and even extend into a near-unbeatable lead.

This will also be the first time that New York billionaire Michael Bloomberg will be on the ballot. The performance of moderates like Mr Biden on Super Tuesday will be determined to some degree by how Mr Bloomberg fares.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51700771
 
Huge amount of people in Super Tuesday states have voted early, expecting Bernie to crush it. The only states that Biden will win are in the deep South.
 
Bernie better win it this time.
Expecting him to take Super Tuesday honours.

Even though I'm not American, his ideas really hit home with me and a lot of young adults nowadays.
I'm so glad someone in the US is finally talking about a wealth tax. Always believed that it's the wealthy person's responsibility to give back to his own people and address the disparity between rich and poor, atleast in their own community.
 
Bernie better win it this time.
Expecting him to take Super Tuesday honours.

Even though I'm not American, his ideas really hit home with me and a lot of young adults nowadays.
I'm so glad someone in the US is finally talking about a wealth tax. Always believed that it's the wealthy person's responsibility to give back to his own people and address the disparity between rich and poor, atleast in their own community.

Bernie may lose because Democrats are corrupt. There is a thing called "Superdelegates" and these delegates may just give Biden the victory.
 
The superdelegates have already pledged to not give Bernie a victory. The democrats have been in a crisis mode since Hillary stole the election from Bernie.

No wonder a clown like Trump won the election. He will most likely get re-elected this time as well.
 
Bernie better win it this time.
Expecting him to take Super Tuesday honours.

Even though I'm not American, his ideas really hit home with me and a lot of young adults nowadays.
I'm so glad someone in the US is finally talking about a wealth tax. Always believed that it's the wealthy person's responsibility to give back to his own people and address the disparity between rich and poor, atleast in their own community.

Taking money from the rich and giving to the poor wont make everyone rich, it will make everyone poor. Rich people dont get rich because they have money, they get rich because they have different priorities. they put work before family, the have a strong work ethic, they research, they are driven people.

Your message might as well be no matter how hard or long you work you will be no better off.
 
Taking money from the rich and giving to the poor wont make everyone rich, it will make everyone poor. Rich people dont get rich because they have money, they get rich because they have different priorities. they put work before family, the have a strong work ethic, they research, they are driven people.

Your message might as well be no matter how hard or long you work you will be no better off.

I’m under the impression here that you believe that taxing the rich is equal to making everyone poor. Correct me if I’m wrong.
 
Taking money from the rich and giving to the poor wont make everyone rich, it will make everyone poor. Rich people dont get rich because they have money, they get rich because they have different priorities. they put work before family, the have a strong work ethic, they research, they are driven people.

Your message might as well be no matter how hard or long you work you will be no better off.

[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION], are you American? I have seen your posts that are right out of conservative American playbook but I don’t think you are American. Aren’t you Australian?
Anyhow, let me tell you a few anecdotes:

1)
Right After 9/11, the airline industry started struggling. People were scared of traveling by air and the new government security procedures put them off even more. They were in danger of being shut down. Bush bailed them out by injecting billions of American taxpayers money into the major IS airlines.
A few years later some of them collapsed anyway, merging with other airlines or simply shutting down. In each case the CEOs and other major stakeholders in the companies received millions of dollars as golden parachute whereas the average employee got barely weeks of severance. They lost their 401k, retirement etc.

2)
The collapse of Enron: that’s another example. I won’t bore you guys to death with details. Look it up.

3) the 2008 mortgage crises. Again look it up.

My point:
It is folly to believe everything coming out of either Dem or Republican playbook. Use your own sense. It’s not fair to generalize that all rich people got rich because they were driven and worked hard and those in the middle or poor class did not. It’s absolutely rubbish. Most elites are actually children of elites and they get handed the money and methods of control. If you don’t believe me look at Trump. Now his kids are entering politics. Are you telling me they are somehow more driven and more hardworking than say Alexandra Ocasio? Or Obama?

Most Americans get rich by gaming the system. They American laws have too many concessions and loopholes for businessmen because it’s a capitalist country. Tax write offs are easy, you get big breaks if you call yourself an entrepreneur. But the poor and middle class always have to pay taxes. Nobody cares about their problems. Trump has not paid taxes in God knows how many years. He also happened to cheat millions of people with his real estate scams and university and then settled out of court for peanuts. But none of that is kept in mind when taxing the rich.

Somehow we think being driven and hard working means cheating the others out their money using unethical business practices.
 
By the same token, I also don’t agree with dems sometimes when they want to raise minimum wage a lot and believe in giving free handouts to everyone.
There should be a balance. Everybody should pay their fair share of taxes. And nobody should get a free ride unless they are absolutely in need of it.
 
By the same token, I also don’t agree with dems sometimes when they want to raise minimum wage a lot and believe in giving free handouts to everyone.
There should be a balance. Everybody should pay their fair share of taxes. And nobody should get a free ride unless they are absolutely in need of it.

Raising minimum wage too high is actually bad for middle class. It increases prices of products.

However, low minimum wage is also unacceptable. There needs to be a balance in everything.
 
Yeah raising it exorbitantly doesn’t help anyone either. When I first came to the US, the minimum wage was $4.75 and my first job paid that much. Lol I worked my way up. I think America is the land of opportunity and if an immigrant kid without any help or family can do it, anybody can. I did need the help of educational financial aid and loans though. Some of that money comes from taxes. If you don’t tax people fairly, you can’t provide for such programs. You see the republicans whining and complaining about this all the time. They don’t even want loan forgiveness for those students who were defrauded by scams such as trump university.

I don’t think you can find a better use for tax dollars than supporting educational programs and facilitate college education for the poor.

I don’t think most non Americans realize how expensive college education is in the US. It’s not a right like other developed countries. It’s still a privilege. The average household income in the US last year was about $63,000/year. Average yearly cost for a state college is around $20,000 (that’s if you are going in-State)

Unless the poor or middle class parents have saved money for years and years for their kids, there is no way they can afford to send even one child to college.
 
Taking money from the rich and giving to the poor wont make everyone rich, it will make everyone poor. Rich people dont get rich because they have money, they get rich because they have different priorities. they put work before family, the have a strong work ethic, they research, they are driven people.

Your message might as well be no matter how hard or long you work you will be no better off.

Even a labourer or construction worker works his backside off to provide for his family. Working hard isn't guaranteed to make you rich.

Majority of the rich folks have been rich for generations. And no one is talking about "taking" their money. It's a wealth tax. They won't lose much from it but it'll be mighty beneficial for addressing healthcare and education budgets/loans for the lower and middle class people.

Your notion that a wealth tax will make everyone poor is laughable to be frank.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">News: Senator Amy Klobuchar will suspend her campaign Monday night and endorse Joe Biden, an aide to the senator tells CNN. <br><br>Klobuchar is flying to Dallas to join Vice President Biden at his rally tonight where she will endorse the former Vice President.</p>— Dan Merica (@merica) <a href="https://twitter.com/merica/status/1234547130670493696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The great crash will come very shortly.

Corporations have been creating debt bubbles by purchasing mergers and acquisitions through debt and paying extraordinary dividends to themselves.

They are writing a check they cannot cash but they have no intention of the backlash as long as they individually profit.
 
Taking money from the rich and giving to the poor wont make everyone rich, it will make everyone poor. Rich people dont get rich because they have money, they get rich because they have different priorities. they put work before family, the have a strong work ethic, they research, they are driven people.

Your message might as well be no matter how hard or long you work you will be no better off.

Going by your logic, shouldn’t countries like Canada and Denmark be poor? Bernie basically just wants the system those countries have.
 
Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar will abandon her candidacy for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.

Senator Klobuchar came in a distant sixth place in Saturday's South Carolina primary.

Ms Klobuchar, 59, will join Joe Biden at his Dallas, Texas rally tonight to endorse the former vice-president, US media report.

The news comes on the heels of fellow moderate Pete Buttigieg suspending his campaign on Sunday.

Despite some strong debate performances and a surprise surge in New Hampshire, Ms Klobuchar's campaign failed to gain major traction.

On the trail, the Minnesota senator sold herself to moderate voters as the candidate who could win swing states back for the Democrats. However, her profile was largely eclipsed by centrist rivals Mr Biden, 77, and Mr Buttigieg, 38.

Ms Klobuchar's withdrawal comes on the eve of the so-called Super Tuesday primaries. On Tuesday, 14 US states will cast their votes to determine the Democratic presidential nominee.

With Ms Klobuchar's withdrawal, just five Democrats are left in the race to take on Republican President Donald Trump - Mr Biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Michael Bloomberg and Tulsi Gabbard.

Ms Klobuchar's exit leaves the seven delegates she has won from previous primaries free to vote for another candidate. Mr Sanders, the leftwing Vermont senator, currently leads the delegate count.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51710945
 
Dem establishment would rather lose with biden than win with Bernie Smh . Bernie movement seems a bit like the tea party movement of the GOP . It is transforming the party . Don;t know much i agree with $15 min wage though .
 
Going by your logic, shouldn’t countries like Canada and Denmark be poor? Bernie basically just wants the system those countries have.

Just checked Canadas tax brackets, millionaires only pay 33% personal tax.

So Bernie basically just wants the system those countries have.
 
Just checked Canadas tax brackets, millionaires only pay 33% personal tax.

So Bernie basically just wants the system those countries have.

Yes, Bernie wants a single-payer state sponsored healthcare system, longer paternity leave and higher minimum wage. Denmark and Canada have all of that.
 
Taking money from the rich and giving to the poor wont make everyone rich, it will make everyone poor. Rich people dont get rich because they have money, they get rich because they have different priorities. they put work before family, the have a strong work ethic, they research, they are driven people.

Your message might as well be no matter how hard or long you work you will be no better off.

Okay boomer lol.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A Florida man who returned from China felt sick. Instead of going to the drugstore to get over-the-counter flu medicine he did the responsible thing and sought medical attention. He tested negative but was sent a bill for $3,270, <a href="https://twitter.com/NickKristof?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NickKristof</a> writes. <a href="https://t.co/aia2eP7PrY">https://t.co/aia2eP7PrY</a> <a href="https://t.co/XAc9q2YcsC">pic.twitter.com/XAc9q2YcsC</a></p>— New York Times Opinion (@nytopinion) <a href="https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1234065636873166849?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 1, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I don’t get why people don’t understand how top marginal tax work. It’s not as if billionaires will become destitute after paying their fair share of taxes.

Lol he clearly isn't smart enough to understand how economics and the tax code works and I'd bet he doesn't make anywhere near the high earning brackets, the biggest defenders of the oligarchs tend to be middle manager type of guys who are pleased with being economically exploited as long as they get the validation of their superiors.
 
Lol he clearly isn't smart enough to understand how economics and the tax code works and I'd bet he doesn't make anywhere near the high earning brackets, the biggest defenders of the oligarchs tend to be middle manager type of guys who are pleased with being economically exploited as long as they get the validation of their superiors.

I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s just that they truly believe in those things because they are constantly bombarded by this kind of ideology from established media outlets.
 
I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s just that they truly believe in those things because they are constantly bombarded by this kind of ideology from established media outlets.

That could be it, he's from Australia where Rupert Murdoch pretty much owns his country.
 
I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s just that they truly believe in those things because they are constantly bombarded by this kind of ideology from established media outlets.

Yes. Someone with 10 billion will end up with 9.5 billion after a wealth tax of 5%. Clearly that person is being oppressed and will be out living on the streets soon if not for that 500 million.
 
Yes. Someone with 10 billion will end up with 9.5 billion after a wealth tax of 5%. Clearly that person is being oppressed and will be out living on the streets soon if not for that 500 million.

Believe it or not, but those 500 million might end up being spent on educating and training the work force that might actually end up working their *** off for that very billionaire.
 
Neither of you are including provincial tax. It's between 50-60% (federal + provincial) depending on the province.

I don’t know what he plans but I think the tax brackets for non business owners are fair at the moment.. it goes upto 33%.

What he should be doing is looking at corporate taxes than individual or family income taxes.
 
Why am I not surprised that Klobuchar and that CIA tool Butiggieg are rushing to endorse Biden. It's like everyone in the Democratic Party is trying their best to make sure Sanders doesn't get nominated. These hypocrites can't bear the thought of what would happen if someone actually went after the greedy corporations and one percenters that fund their campaigns.

Funniest thing until recently was how all the candidates were painting Sanders as a supporter of authoritarian regimes after he praised the education system of Cuba. A country that has not just free education, boasting a 99% literacy rate, but also free health care. And this is despite the fact that the country has been crippled by US sanctions for decades and literally looks like something from the 1950s.

They also conveniently forget that Obama actually praised these things in front of Cubans when he went to Cuba.
 
Warren should now do the right thing and drop out and endorse Bernie, to consolidate the progressive vote.
 
Just checked Canadas tax brackets, millionaires only pay 33% personal tax.

So Bernie basically just wants the system those countries have.

It's more complicated than that. US has a top federal tax bracket of 37% for individuals with income over $500K or married filing jointly $600K. However, effective rates for multi-millionaires and billionaires are much lower due to loopholes. For example, Warren Buffet, his total income in 2016 was $11.6 million and paid $1.85 million in taxes. His effective tax rate was 16%, and I am pretty sure his effective tax rate was even lower in 2018. He is on record saying, his effective tax rate is lower than the effective tax rate of his secretary. Fun fact Buffet's net worth went up by almost $12 billion in 2016, on which he paid no taxes as these were unrealized gains. Bernie wants to take away loopholes that bring down effective tax rates for top 1%.
 
Warren should now do the right thing and drop out and endorse Bernie, to consolidate the progressive vote.

She won't do it. If she was still a true progressive she would have gone after Biden harder on the Bankpurcy bill rather than making up stories about Bernie. She has burned all the bridges with progressives.
 
Don’t think that’s going to happen.

She won't do it. If she was still a true progressive she would have gone after Biden harder on the Bankpurcy bill rather than making up stories about Bernie. She has burned all the bridges with progressives.

This is where the Dem establishment has proven itself far more adept at these backroom machinations than the Republicans in 2016. One reason Trump got their nomination was that both the traditional conservative and the moderate votes were split so many ways.

Oh well. Here’s to hoping the voters favoring Warren see the light of day tomorrow if Warren herself doesn’t.
 
I don’t know what he plans but I think the tax brackets for non business owners are fair at the moment.. it goes upto 33%.

What he should be doing is looking at corporate taxes than individual or family income taxes.

Increasing marginal rate for income above 5 million to, say, 60-70%, is reasonable IMO.

Most importantly, however, a wealth tax is needed, to get the money that's already been looted by the billionaire class.
 
This is where the Dem establishment has proven itself far more adept at these backroom machinations than the Republicans in 2016. One reason Trump got their nomination was that both the traditional conservative and the moderate votes were split so many ways.

Oh well. Here’s to hoping the voters favoring Warren see the light of day tomorrow if Warren herself doesn’t.

I think Republicans tried. If I remember correctly Curz and Kasich came up with one-and-one deal where they would ask their supporters to support the other candidate in one state, in exchange for support in another state. This was to assure a brokered convention. However, they did it too loudly, and Trump said something like it will be bad or riots will take place if he gets plurality and does not get the nomination.

But yeah, I get your point. Dems establishment does dirty things quietly and cries foul when they get exposed.
 
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