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Asian teams will struggle in SA.

You'd imagine England will be a force by then and Australia the favourites after today.
 
Warner, Smith and probably Maxwell will.retire soon. Starc, Cummins, Hazelwood too. I don't see any exciting Aussie batsmen coming up to replace these players. England always a possibility and India always a contender. For all we know it's the year of the Saffers on their home turf
 
Rubbish. Pakistan will be a great team in 2027 seeing how all of our star players will be in their prime. The other teams, meanwhile, will be in a transition phase with several key players from each team retiring. Here are the ages of our team core in 2027:

Babar Azam - 32
Rizwan - 34
Abdullah - 27
Saud - 31
Shadab - 27
Shaheen - 27
Naseem - 23

Add to this exciting young talent like Saim, Haris, Ihsanullah and hopefully, a gun spinner and pace-bowling all-rounder and you have a team that will win it all, InshaAllah.

Pace-friendly conditions suit us far better than batting-friendly conditions.
 
Rubbish. Pakistan will be a great team in 2027 seeing how all of our star players will be in their prime. The other teams, meanwhile, will be in a transition phase with several key players from each team retiring. Here are the ages of our team core in 2027:

Babar Azam - 32
Rizwan - 34
Abdullah - 27
Saud - 31
Shadab - 27
Shaheen - 27
Naseem - 23

Add to this exciting young talent like Saim, Haris, Ihsanullah and hopefully, a gun spinner and pace-bowling all-rounder and you have a team that will win it all, InshaAllah.

Pace-friendly conditions suit us far better than batting-friendly conditions.

Pakistan always winning before the WC starts , once it starts , all illusions vanish.
 
England don't have the bowlers to be a force they need to have top fast bowlers not swing 130 bowlers
 
Pakistan always winning before the WC starts , once it starts , all illusions vanish.
We NEVER get our first eleven out on the pitch. Last world cup I remember we were messing about with Malik and Haris Sohail, and by the time we sorted it out ( Haris Sohail was brilliant Vs SA and NZ but it was too little too late)
2007 we missed Asif, 2011 Asif and Amir and Asad Shafiq should have been nowhere near the team
2013 and 15 we missed our best bowlers,
2019 as above
2022 world t20 fakhar was injured back end of the tournament and we had Shan Masood in :facepalm:
2021 world t20 we had Malik and hafeez in the team still when they shouldn't have been
Last time we did have our first eleven was CT 2017 and we know how that went! ( and that was when we had Azhar Ali opening:)
 
It's way too early to predict for 27. That's a long way out. 24 T20 WC should be the next focus.. Almost all teams will have lots of new faces..
 
It's way too early to predict for 27. That's a long way out. 24 T20 WC should be the next focus.. Almost all teams will have lots of new faces..
Exactly. 4 years long time away. There many more tournaments lines up, next is the t20WC, then CT, then another T20WC I believe, then 2027 CWC.
 
99% Australia to win. Ideal conditions for them and India will be weaker then.
post 1992 no Asian team won CWC away from Asia. About time, in SA27. SA is my fav place to watch cricket from something about their grounds I really like was young when saw 2003 cwc so some nostagia.
 
Australia will have a completely different side by then. I’m not too familiar with the domestic scene here but I know for sure there isn’t the same level of upcoming talent as there was.
 
We NEVER get our first eleven out on the pitch. Last world cup I remember we were messing about with Malik and Haris Sohail, and by the time we sorted it out ( Haris Sohail was brilliant Vs SA and NZ but it was too little too late)
2007 we missed Asif, 2011 Asif and Amir and Asad Shafiq should have been nowhere near the team
2013 and 15 we missed our best bowlers,
2019 as above
2022 world t20 fakhar was injured back end of the tournament and we had Shan Masood in :facepalm:
2021 world t20 we had Malik and hafeez in the team still when they shouldn't have been
Last time we did have our first eleven was CT 2017 and we know how that went! ( and that was when we had Azhar Ali opening:)
Selection and making plans is also part of team skills. Is some other country making decisions for Pakistan cricket team?

This World Cup all the teams had injury issues. When India beat Australia in Australia in Perth they were missing 8 main players , so what should they have done? Give up and comeback?

Unless PCB accepts that something is wrong , things cannot improve.
 
Too early to tell.

For example, back in 2019, people, when making a four year-early prediction of this 2023 WC, hardly anyone had Australia, if I remember correctly most had India, England. And Pakistan...
 
South Africa is my favorite place to watch and play cricket. But no Asian team might even make the top 4 next time
 
99% Australia to win. Ideal conditions for them and India will be weaker then.
Last year when ind played against SA,pitches were quote slow.This year ind vs sa will give an early impression. I guess slow pitches are the reason why bng was able to win under 19 trophy in SA(2021)
 
I think, Australia will always be there among favourites- 3, max 4 players from current squad will be there, but that’s a positive for them - new players will be hungry.

I see England returning to contention, though replacing 7-8 ODI greats isn’t easy. If Jofra at 31-32 can make a full return then, Poms will be in SF.

People always make the mistake of underestimating Kiwis, but they are a fine squad - always. Ken might not be there but they’ll still have a very good core of players and their bowling attack will be more suited to SAF conditions.

India will loose some of their greatest ever white ball players by 2027, but batting & spin attack would still be among best in world. What they’ll miss is the pace attack - not many tournaments we could say India has the best bowling attack, best spin attack & best pace attack - 2023 was one such. But is a safe bet to put them in SF at least.

The team which I see is the potential winner is SAF at home. They have all bases covered and able replacements are there as well - Kock, Rassie & Bvuma wont be there but there is Janneman Malan, Brevis, Verreyenne & Tristan waiting; Jansen, Cortze will be more mature and entering their peak, Rabada at 31/2 still be at his peak; Mahraj/Shamshi at 36/37 still should be there. And, they’ll unleash few new talents for sure.

SAF, AUS & two of other three in the SF - I don’t see anything beyond that. This had been the order for last 3 WCs & unfortunately by every year the gap between SENAI & bottom half is increasing - it’ll increase further in 4 years because these five are building their cricket around proper system; rest have leased it to T20/T10s. CT might be a bit different as only 1/2 games might decide the SF lineup; but in a 8-10 game WC group stage, top 5 are too good, deep & versatile for any upset.
 
It's a long way away.

Four years is like a couple of decades in Pakistani cricket. :zaka

I agree with the others, South Africa and Australia are built for those conditions and all of their players will see their performances elevate as a result. Even their average players are going to look like stars on those pitches. Bounce, carry, and the ball coming onto the bat is a dream come true for these countries.

I can see these teams being almost confirmed semi-final contenders if they build respectable squads. The other teams are hit-or-miss but I don't see the Asian teams doing that well cause India is going to start aging out and the other Asian teams are seriously below par right now.

It would take a monumental shift in strategy starting from right now to see one of them get rolling.

It's more likely for New Zealand and England to sneak in.
 
Need to get your bowlers sorted

South African wickets are merciless for Pacers/Spinners who are not up to the mark.

If Pakistan bowling can average 350 per innings in India, they will most certainly average 400 in South Africa at the moment.
 
Home team are chokers through and through. Australia with a big chance to go b2b imo, they will love the extra bounce. Cummins with the opportunity to be mentioned alongside ponting for captaincy greats.
 
I think, Australia will always be there among favourites- 3, max 4 players from current squad will be there, but that’s a positive for them - new players will be hungry.

I see England returning to contention, though replacing 7-8 ODI greats isn’t easy. If Jofra at 31-32 can make a full return then, Poms will be in SF.

People always make the mistake of underestimating Kiwis, but they are a fine squad - always. Ken might not be there but they’ll still have a very good core of players and their bowling attack will be more suited to SAF conditions.

India will loose some of their greatest ever white ball players by 2027, but batting & spin attack would still be among best in world. What they’ll miss is the pace attack - not many tournaments we could say India has the best bowling attack, best spin attack & best pace attack - 2023 was one such. But is a safe bet to put them in SF at least.

The team which I see is the potential winner is SAF at home. They have all bases covered and able replacements are there as well - Kock, Rassie & Bvuma wont be there but there is Janneman Malan, Brevis, Verreyenne & Tristan waiting; Jansen, Cortze will be more mature and entering their peak, Rabada at 31/2 still be at his peak; Mahraj/Shamshi at 36/37 still should be there. And, they’ll unleash few new talents for sure.

SAF, AUS & two of other three in the SF - I don’t see anything beyond that. This had been the order for last 3 WCs & unfortunately by every year the gap between SENAI & bottom half is increasing - it’ll increase further in 4 years because these five are building their cricket around proper system; rest have leased it to T20/T10s. CT might be a bit different as only 1/2 games might decide the SF lineup; but in a 8-10 game WC group stage, top 5 are too good, deep & versatile for any upset.
Happy to see that there is still someone else who realizes Jofra’s value. He may have lost 3 years but the good thing for English cricket is that his age is genuine. If he was in some “other” country, he would be a 23 year old youngster today like a certain Abdullah Shafique.
 
Rubbish. Pakistan will be a great team in 2027 seeing how all of our star players will be in their prime. The other teams, meanwhile, will be in a transition phase with several key players from each team retiring. Here are the ages of our team core in 2027:

Babar Azam - 32
Rizwan - 34
Abdullah - 27
Saud - 31
Shadab - 27
Shaheen - 27
Naseem - 23

Add to this exciting young talent like Saim, Haris, Ihsanullah and hopefully, a gun spinner and pace-bowling all-rounder and you have a team that will win it all, InshaAllah.

Pace-friendly conditions suit us far better than batting-friendly conditions.
Yes yes, just like 2023, you will make threads in 2027 only to disappear when the tournament starts after Pakistan gets booted out in the group stages and India loses the semifinal or final.
 
World Cup final could be Australia crushing SA in the final . India will make the semis.

NZ to sneak through on NRR because Pakistan will be crushed by India and Australia in the group stage but will rally back with group stage wins over AFG, NED, SL and BD and fall short in the very last match .

England will be a non factor in the Cup.
 
World Cup final could be Australia crushing SA in the final . India will make the semis.

NZ to sneak through on NRR because Pakistan will be crushed by India and Australia in the group stage but will rally back with group stage wins over AFG, NED, SL and BD and fall short in the very last match .

England will be a non factor in the Cup.

NZ might not be in our group, the next World Cup will be 2 groups of 7, top 3 from each group qualify for super 6
 
Too early to tell.

For example, back in 2019, people, when making a four year-early prediction of this 2023 WC, hardly anyone had Australia, if I remember correctly most had India, England. And Pakistan...
Before WC started , no one said that England cannot make semis .
 
Asian teams will struggle in SA.

You'd imagine England will be a force by then and Australia the favourites after today.
Australian team will be very different. Many of their players are very old.

I dont see Starc/Warner/Maxwell in the squad. They will be close to 40 by then.

Even Cummins, Hazlewood and Marsh will be 35 or 36. I don't see these in the squad too.

We will see a new look Aus by then. No guarantees of anything.
 
Pakistan always winning before the WC starts , once it starts , all illusions vanish.

Like Pakistan posters vanish too and make a return when India lose in the knockouts.

If and it’s a big if Pakistan adopt an attacking mentality drop all anchors apart from Babar and maybe one more drop non performers like Shadab plan properly for the conditions then there’s always a chance of reaching the semis and finals as ODIs are similar to tests they test a teams skill set and for a long time Pakistan has come up short since the start of this century.
 
Australian team will be very different. Many of their players are very old.

I dont see Starc/Warner/Maxwell in the squad. They will be close to 40 by then.

Even Cummins, Hazlewood and Marsh will be 35 or 36. I don't see these in the squad too.

We will see a new look Aus by then. No guarantees of anything.

Only one guarantee with WCs. Australia will be near the top 4 every time.
 
I expect India to get eliminated from group stage in 2027 WC.

It is because many of their experienced veterans may not play in 2027 WC. The new youngsters don't seem as good.
 
Like Pakistan posters vanish too and make a return when India lose in the knockouts.

If and it’s a big if Pakistan adopt an attacking mentality drop all anchors apart from Babar and maybe one more drop non performers like Shadab plan properly for the conditions then there’s always a chance of reaching the semis and finals as ODIs are similar to tests they test a teams skill set and for a long time Pakistan has come up short since the start of this century.
We can keep writing whatever we want , but deep down the heart we know that things will not change in Pakistan. The same thing happened with WI.

Pakistan former cricketers , a lot of them speak non sense most of the times. Even now they are going to Australia with absolutely weak team. What you expect ?

Pakistan planning is so poor that they did not get a proper spinner playing in asian conditions , how can you explain this?
 
We can keep writing whatever we want , but deep down the heart we know that things will not change in Pakistan. The same thing happened with WI.

Pakistan former cricketers , a lot of them speak non sense most of the times. Even now they are going to Australia with absolutely weak team. What you expect ?

Pakistan planning is so poor that they did not get a proper spinner playing in asian conditions , how can you explain this?
Bro, I don't agree with your last line - it wasn't a case of planning only, as if there were better spinners available who were not picked!! You could have said that for SRL, who were missing their premium leggi for a different reason (I am sure guy didn't retire 3 months before WC just for the sake of T20), or Aussies could have picked Lyon (or any one else) once Agger was injured; or India should have played Ashwin in the Final, could have taken a conventional Leggi like Chahal or Bishnoy.

Note for PAK - Shadab & Nawaz are the two best spinners available and to their strength, they can bat a bit as well, otherwise replacements are Imad or U Qadir or unknown Abrar... FGS. And, watching Usama in real time action, one should realize that Shadab indeed is premium leggi for white ball game. Yes, mistake was made 3 years back, when they should have made sure that every game 20 overs of spin is picked regardless of batting contribution & those spinners are spinning (not darting) between Over # 11 to 40 - let them bat at 10 & 11.

People who say Australia going to an ICC event with a weak team indeed are nonsense - completely agree with you.
 
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Last time we toured there, our batting looked like quite strong in the ODI + T20 series. All of Babar/Rizwan/Fakhar had innings where they performed really well. That’s the conditions in which Babar smashed 122(59). For some reason, this is the first Pakistani team I can remember that bats so much worse in the subcontinent on the dryer spinning pitches but is much much better on pitches with bounce and some pace. The only question mark is if Fakhar Zaman will be able to play as he’s already 37 and if Rizwan will still be playing as he will be 34.

What we really need is to ensure our bowling lineup is right. Thankfully, most pitches don’t spin much in South Africa and most spinners get destroyed so we really just need one spinner with possibly a couple part time options as backup. Even better if that one spinner can bat.

Our fast bowling will probably be:

Naseem Shah
Shaheen Shah
Mohammad Wasim Jr.

So we will need either Mohammad Wasim Jr. to improve his batting so he can play as fast bowling all rounder or we need to find a genuine fast bowling all rounder. As of now, our combo would be something like:

1) Abdullah Shafique
2) Saim Ayub
3) Babar
4) Saud Shakeel
5) Rizwan/Harris
6) Agha Salman
7) Fast bowling all rounder (?)
8) Spin option
9) Mohammad Wasim Jr
10) Shaheen Shah
11) Naseem Shah

So what we are missing badly is an explosive number 7 who can ideally combine with Agha Salman and Saud to complete the 5th over quota as well as a genuine spin option. I hope that spin option ends up being Shadab at number 8, but he needs to fix his bowling which has gone downhill. His first 2 years as an ODI bowler were great. Hopefully some time off and some time with a coach can get him back to the bowling standard he was at before because his batting has improved tremendously.
 
I expect India to get eliminated from group stage in 2027 WC.

It is because many of their experienced veterans may not play in 2027 WC. The new youngsters don't seem as good.
Their batting will be almost equal and spin attack will be better - you can record this post. But yes, it's a SAF WC and replacing these three pacers will be really, really difficult. They are highly skilled, extremely cunning, physically strong & fit and complemented each others perfectly. Shami is unique in a sense he does his job as first change, like Waquar did long back. You can get/develop new ball pacers but wicket taking 1st change is rare - India will miss him & Bumrah.

SF - depends on which group they are slotted with seven teams each and 3 to advance. Usually, ICC puts IND, PAK in same group means two confirmed points. IND might miss SF cut only if they get into a group like IND, ENG, NZ & SAF/AUS + 3 and no PAK...... not happening.
 
Bro, I don't agree with your last line - it wasn't a case of planning only, as if there were better spinners available who were not picked!! You could have said that for SRL, who were missing their premium leggi for a different reason (I am sure guy didn't retire 3 months before WC just for the sake of T20), or Aussies could have picked Lyon (or any one else) once Agger was injured; or India should have played Ashwin in the Final, could have taken a conventional Leggi like Chahal or Bishnoy.

Note for PAK - Shadab & Nawaz are the two best spinners available and to their strength, they can bat a bit as well, otherwise replacements are Imad or U Qadir or unknown Abrar... FGS. And, watching Usama in real time action, one should realize that Shadab indeed is premium leggi for white ball game. Yes, mistake was made 3 years back, when they should have made sure that every game 20 overs of spin is picked regardless of batting contribution & those spinners are spinning (not darting) between Over # 11 to 40 - let them bat at 10 & 11.

People who say Australia going to an ICC event with a weak team indeed are nonsense - completely agree with you.

Picking Abrar was a must for a few bilaterals to test him in ODIs however Shadab wasn’t going to be dropped regardless then we saw what happened 2 wickets average 118 economy over 6 I mean even Iftikhar was a lot better.

With Raza Hasan out of the picture picking someone like Zafar Gohar or another full time SLA was better than Nawaz who was bowling left arm pies.
 
Picking Abrar was a must for a few bilaterals to test him in ODIs however Shadab wasn’t going to be dropped regardless then we saw what happened 2 wickets average 118 economy over 6 I mean even Iftikhar was a lot better.

With Raza Hasan out of the picture picking someone like Zafar Gohar or another full time SLA was better than Nawaz who was bowling left arm pies.
It’s never late - they can still prepare for next WC. If not many ODIs for national team, play lots of A tours where they can use two wicket taking spinners.
 
Last time we toured there, our batting looked like quite strong in the ODI + T20 series. All of Babar/Rizwan/Fakhar had innings where they performed really well. That’s the conditions in which Babar smashed 122(59). For some reason, this is the first Pakistani team I can remember that bats so much worse in the subcontinent on the dryer spinning pitches but is much much better on pitches with bounce and some pace. The only question mark is if Fakhar Zaman will be able to play as he’s already 37 and if Rizwan will still be playing as he will be 34.

What we really need is to ensure our bowling lineup is right. Thankfully, most pitches don’t spin much in South Africa and most spinners get destroyed so we really just need one spinner with possibly a couple part time options as backup. Even better if that one spinner can bat.

Our fast bowling will probably be:

Naseem Shah
Shaheen Shah
Mohammad Wasim Jr.

So we will need either Mohammad Wasim Jr. to improve his batting so he can play as fast bowling all rounder or we need to find a genuine fast bowling all rounder. As of now, our combo would be something like:

1) Abdullah Shafique
2) Saim Ayub
3) Babar
4) Saud Shakeel
5) Rizwan/Harris
6) Agha Salman
7) Fast bowling all rounder (?)
8) Spin option
9) Mohammad Wasim Jr
10) Shaheen Shah
11) Naseem Shah

So what we are missing badly is an explosive number 7 who can ideally combine with Agha Salman and Saud to complete the 5th over quota as well as a genuine spin option. I hope that spin option ends up being Shadab at number 8, but he needs to fix his bowling which has gone downhill. His first 2 years as an ODI bowler were great. Hopefully some time off and some time with a coach can get him back to the bowling standard he was at before because his batting has improved tremendously.

Agha has no future he's not good enough

Otherwise good post.
 
We NEVER get our first eleven out on the pitch. Last world cup I remember we were messing about with Malik and Haris Sohail, and by the time we sorted it out ( Haris Sohail was brilliant Vs SA and NZ but it was too little too late)
2007 we missed Asif, 2011 Asif and Amir and Asad Shafiq should have been nowhere near the team
2013 and 15 we missed our best bowlers,
2019 as above
2022 world t20 fakhar was injured back end of the tournament and we had Shan Masood in :facepalm:
2021 world t20 we had Malik and hafeez in the team still when they shouldn't have been
Last time we did have our first eleven was CT 2017 and we know how that went! ( and that was when we had Azhar Ali opening:)

Nope. Even then we persisted with a flailing Ahmed Shehzad for too long before Fakhar came and turned the entire tournament on it's head.

Wahab also played the earlier games before Junaid Khan ended up bowling his heart out.
 
India had solid players then.

I expect India to decline once guys like Rohit, Kohli, Bumrah, Shami etc. retire. New players don't seem as good as them.
Whom do u know among new ones and which matches u saw them participating?
 
Whom do u know among new ones and which matches u saw them participating?

Rohit, Kohli, Pujara, Bumrah, Shami etc. are from past batches. They seemed more hardworking and efficient.

Most of the new guys seem entitled and overconfident.

Anyway, let's see how it goes. I have a feeling India may decline quite a bit once some of the veterans retire.
 
The 2027 World Cup is to be played in South African conditions. Pakistan did well in the 2007 T20 World Cup played in south Africa. Although the format is different still Pakistan can do good. Just need to plan and have some decency in selection.
 
Revisiting this thread.

It is interesting to see England being rated so highly despite the fact they usually struggle to win ODI series in SA .

They usually struggle to win in India and we saw what happened in Indian CWC. They'll struggle to make semis in SA as well

OZ, SA, IND will make semis with 4th semifinalist being a shootout which may even involve a revived West Indies.
 
India to win all games and win the tournament by beating Pakistan by 275 runs in finals.

Finals :-

India 391/3(50 overs)
Pakistan 116 all-out(27.3 overs)

Bangladesh will lose their test status after loss to Namibia and Netherlands, both more competent teams in those conditions.
 
I think England may do poorly. Their golden generation is done.

England is quite poor without Stokes.
 
Most of the Australia curent squad won't be around so hard to predict.
Yes and Australia do not have the ability to replace players good enough to represent them at the highest level?
 
In the shorter formats any team can beat anyone on a particular day. Pakistan always struggled in Australia but ended up winning in 92. Australia were at their weakest in the mid 80s but won the 87 WC in India where they have always struggled. And India shocked everyone in 83.
 
In the shorter formats any team can beat anyone on a particular day. Pakistan always struggled in Australia but ended up winning in 92. Australia were at their weakest in the mid 80s but won the 87 WC in India where they have always struggled. And India shocked everyone in 83.
That's not true, australia has a pretty good odi record in India
 
In the shorter formats any team can beat anyone on a particular day. Pakistan always struggled in Australia but ended up winning in 92. Australia were at their weakest in the mid 80s but won the 87 WC in India where they have always struggled. And India shocked everyone in 83.
This is not the case at all. Pakistan were the strongest side going into 92 World Cup.

The World Cup has always been won by the strongest bilateral sides from 2 years previous to the event.
 
In ODI format, India will always be a strong contender. It is a kind of format which perfectly suits Indian style of batting and we produce factory of batsman like that.

Gill and Jaiswal will be 28 and 26 respectively and at peak of their powers. Rahul will be more matured and most experienced at 35, Iyer and Hardik will be more responsible, Pant will be back at his peak at 30 while the bowling will continue to be in hands of Bumrah, Siraj and Kuldeep.

India' s challenge is how they beat top teams in World T20s because they don't have firepower to chase 60 in final 5 overs. Can Rinku change it, that's a question?
 
This is not the case at all. Pakistan were the strongest side going into 92 World Cup.

The World Cup has always been won by the strongest bilateral sides from 2 years previous to the event.
I agree but South Africa were a formidable ODI side between 1994 and 2003. They failed to win any World Cups.
 
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