30th ODI ton for Virat Kohli - Equals Ricky Ponting

[Leo23]

only at the age of 28. will certainly end up with 60+

easily the goat odi batsman in the making. his record is freakish.

king

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most ODI 100s:<br>S Tendulkar 49 (452 innings)<br>Virat Kohli 30 (186 innings)<br>R Ponting 30 (365 innings)<br>S Jayasuriya 28 (433 innings)<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/904395269537751045">September 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[jnaveen1980]

Beast !! Where does he get the motivation. Just wow.

 

[Rayyman]

I hope Babar beats him

 

[Proactive_]

Useless record. Got owned in the ODIs that mattered most - The 2015 WC Semi and the CT Final.. batted like a tailender in both. Proper bilateral bully lol.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Useless record. Got owned in the ODIs that mattered most - The 2015 WC Semi and the CT Final.. batted like a tailender in both. Proper bilateral bully lol.

He did well in the previous CT final. In T20 final he has done well. Couple of failures while chasing large totals should not diminish his ability. Going by that even after scoring 1000s of runs in world cup Sachin failed in 2003 final. CT is an useless tournament nobody cares.

 

[Proactive_]

He did well in the previous CT final. In T20 final he has done well. Couple of failures while chasing large totals should not diminish his ability. Going by that even after scoring 1000s of runs in world cup Sachin failed in 2003 final. CT is an useless tournament nobody cares.

Averages 23 in 8 ODI Tournament Finals and 31 in Eliminators with no hundreds. He can keep all the T20 records though where he can compete with the likes of Samuels and Brathwaite for the top spot. I'll take even Dhawan over him as an ODI batsman anyday. Kohli's record is the epitomy of soft runs and going AWOL when the stakes are high.

 

[Sam99]

Good record to have but i find it mostly useless as runs he scored mostly came on batting roads or against weak attack.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Averages 23 in 8 ODI Tournament Finals and 31 in Eliminators with no hundreds. He can keep all the T20 records though where he can compete with the likes of Samuels and Brathwaite for the top spot. I'll take even Dhawan over him as an ODI batsman anyday. Kohli's record is the epitomy of soft runs and going AWOL when the stakes are high.

For the record Dhawan also failed in the final. SUre Dhawan is a CT beast. But don't forget fans were criticizing for Dhawan's selection in the CT replacing Rahul. Why? Because he was not so good up until that point.

 

[Proactive_]

For the record Dhawan also failed in the final. SUre Dhawan is a CT beast. But don't forget fans were criticizing for Dhawan's selection in the CT replacing Rahul. Why? Because he was not so good up until that point.

Dhawan atleast didn't get blown away twice in two balls like a tailender and hung on there for a bit, same during the WC 2015 Semi, both instances where King Kohli gave us an exhibition on proper masterful chasing:

1(13)
5 (9)

 

[hafeezrocks]

King of Soft Runs and SL Bully.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Dhawan atleast didn't get blown away twice in two balls like a tailender and hung on there for a bit, same during the WC 2015 Semi, both instances where King Kohli gave us an exhibition on proper masterful chasing:

1(13)
5 (9)

Sure he got his game plan wrong in that match. Probably being a captain was pondering over his decision to bat first. You sound like without Kohli does it like every other day. So Pandya is next bradman, Fakar azham is next zaheer abbas because they made few runs in the final? lol You sure don't appreciate how hard it is to sustain form for 6 years with 5 years over 1000 plus runs. How many can actually do that.

 

[Proactive_]

Sure he got his game plan wrong in that match. Probably being a captain was pondering over his decision to bat first. You sound like without Kohli does it like every other day. So Pandya is next bradman, Fakar azham is next zaheer abbas because they made few runs in the final? lol You sure don't appreciate how hard it is to sustain form for 6 years with 5 years over 1000 plus runs. How many can actually do that.

He has been a colossal failure in tournaments. You really think these hundreds when the series is 3-0 and 4-0 really count for anything when you average barely 23 in 8 ODI Tournament Finals and 31 in all ODI Eliminators? That's a dreadful record. Not worth the hype, sorry.

 

[BDwarriors]

no comparision between pontings 100 against kohlis. pontings were more valueble.

 

[Abdul]

Legend.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He has been a colossal failure in tournaments. You really think these hundreds when the series is 3-0 and 4-0 really count for anything when you average barely 23 in 8 ODI Tournament Finals and 31 in all ODI Eliminators? That's a dreadful record. Not worth the hype, sorry.

I am not sure what tournaments you are talking about. He has played in 2 CT final and 1 WC final. 35, 43, 1 . 43 should be seen in context. It was a reduced over match. Anywho this is blind and emotional judgement. Not a subtantive analysis of a batsman.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Not to undermine the achievement but there's nothing freakish about his record. Most of his hundreds are against very weak attacks. 8 of them against Lanka alone.

He just hasn't scored when it matters and not consistently enough against the very best.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Except Punter needed 365 innings to get that record. Kohli needed only 186 innings. Only Amla can match that. No one else.

 

[Leo23]

Not to undermine the achievement but there's nothing freakish about his record. Most of his hundreds are against very weak attacks. 8 of them against Lanka alone.

He just hasn't scored when it matters and not consistently enough against the very best.

he isn't the only one playing against weak attacks. he is a genius.

 

[jnaveen1980]

he isn't the only one playing against weak attacks. he is a genius.

Yup. He has done it in 194 innings. Punter did in 375 innings. Only Amla can catch up. Nobody else is in the vicinty.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

he isn't the only one playing against weak attacks. he is a genius.

I didn't say he's the only one but he hasn't showed up against the best and on the biggest stage he's crumbled. You would expect at least one significant innings from a 'genius' in 8 finals.

 

[Leo23]

I didn't say he's the only one but he hasn't showed up against the best and on the biggest stage he's crumbled. You would expect at least one significant innings from a 'genius' in 8 finals.

every player has a kink in his armory

perfection does not exist

so called greatest player of spin lara was pathetic in india

 

[Sam99]

no comparision between pontings 100 against kohlis. pontings were more valueble.

and came at big stages.

 

[Leo23]

Yup. He has done it in 194 innings. Punter did in 375 innings. Only Amla can catch up. Nobody else is in the vicinty.

amla is done. he might at best reach 30 but by the time both retire kohli would be remembered a much bigger legend and maestro

 

[maxamax]

Flat track walks can never be compared with genuine ones.

 

[Leo23]

Flat track walks can never be compared with genuine ones.

90% of sachin and ponting tons were on flat tracks as well

odi tracks have been flat for decades

 

[Leo23]

and came at big stages.

ponting has failed in many knockout games as well

wait before kohli retires. he will deliver for india in world cups

 

[Sam99]

ponting has failed in many knockout games as well

wait before kohli retires. he will deliver for india in world cups

first let him learn to play swing & seam & even quality spin.

 

[Leo23]

first let him learn to play swing & seam & even quality spin.

he can play all of them

and everyone knows how well ponting played spin

harbhajan and kumble made him cry in india all his career

 

[maxamax]

90% of sachin and ponting tons were on flat tracks as well

odi tracks have been flat for decades

They had to face serious swing at times even in ODIs. I was watching Saeed Anwar's 100+ at GABBA. Modern day greats appear joke in front of them.

 

[Leo23]

the amount of bitterness over kohli among ppers is hilarious

if he was pakistani with the same record or even if he was australian or south african he would be worshiped here

I get it that we hate indian cricket but that does not mean we should be so biased

great cricketers should be appreciated regardless of nationality and bias

 

[Leo23]

They had to face serious swing at times even in ODIs. I was watching Saeed Anwar's 100+ at GABBA. Modern day greats appear joke in front of them.

check saeed anwar's record in australia,south africa and New Zealand in odis. he was pathetic and a walking wicket.

kohli is ten times the batsman saeed anwar ever was

 

[Abdul]

check saeed anwar's record in australia,south africa and New Zealand in odis. he was pathetic and a walking wicket.

kohli is ten times the batsman saeed anwar ever was

Twenty.

 

[Sam99]

he can play all of them

and everyone knows how well ponting played spin

harbhajan and kumble made him cry in india all his career

just like andreson made him cry? even in india in 2012

 

[Leo23]

Twenty.

shameful to see so much jealously

 

[Tusker]

Dhawan atleast didn't get blown away twice in two balls like a tailender and hung on there for a bit, same during the WC 2015 Semi, both instances where King Kohli gave us an exhibition on proper masterful chasing:

1(13)
5 (9)

So a 7 year 180+ inngs career is decided basd upon 2-3 innings ? Similarly you must think Madanlal as a better bowler than Waqar Younis then ?

 

[Leo23]

just like andreson made him cry? even in india in 2012

and then kohli destroyed him last year
he will score in england next year but then his haters will look for new excuses

 

[Sunny786]

ATG in the making if not already there in LOI.

 

[Sam99]

and then kohli destroyed him last year
he will score in england next year but then his haters will look for new excuses

don't talk about future and everyone knows kohli struggles in swing & seam conditions which most batsman do in current days.

 

[Leo23]

Twenty.

i mean i agree with you

 

[CanadianG00se]

So a 7 year 180+ inngs career is decided basd upon 2-3 innings ? Similarly you must think Madanlal as a better bowler than Waqar Younis then ?

By his logic,


Even M Patel is better bowler than W Younis.

W Younis recieved phainty in 1996 WC and, recieved another epic phainty by the hands of Tendulkar in 2003 WC.

So, W Younis is king of soft wickets LOL

 

[Hasan123]

He's nearly unstoppable in ODIs. Only thing left for him to achieve in ODIs is to score in the knockout rounds of the WC.

 

[Haz95]

Not to undermine the achievement but there's nothing freakish about his record. Most of his hundreds are against very weak attacks. 8 of them against Lanka alone.

He just hasn't scored when it matters and not consistently enough against the very best.

Precisely. Which is why Kohli nor AB for that matter can be rated among the GOATs. AB at least does half the job before throwing his wicket away but Kohli out of his comfort zone is only superior to Hashim Amla.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

check saeed anwar's record in australia,south africa and New Zealand in odis. he was pathetic and a walking wicket.

kohli is ten times the batsman saeed anwar ever was

Oo bhai no need to undermine one player to hail your legend.. Cricket is not played on stats alone. Think you were a kid when Saeed played bulk of his Odis in 90s.. the conditions and opposition , rules were much different then. Saeed was the second best odi opener of odis in his time and at one time neck to neck with Tendu ... If Kohli is 10 times better than Saeed than he must be 5 times better than Tendu too ? Btw how many tons Viv have in his total career? Is Kohli 15 times better than Viv too? What next Amla is 20 times better than Bevan as he scored more centuries ?

Don't exaggerate things we all watch cricket and know how good Kohli is in odis .. Enjoy Kohl's tons against SL (though I am pretty sure you haven't watched half of this boring series)

 

[Leo23]

Oo bhai no need to undermine one player to hail your legend.. Cricket is not played on stats alone. Think you were a kid when Saeed played bulk of his Odis in 90s.. the conditions and opposition , rules were much different then. Saeed was the second best odi opener of odis in his time and at one time neck to neck with Tendu ... If Kohli is 10 times better than Saeed than he must be 5 times better than Tendu too ? Btw how many tons Viv have in his total career? Is Kohli 15 times better than Viv too? What next Amla is 20 times better than Bevan as he scored more centuries ?

Don't exaggerate things we all watch cricket and know how good Kohli is in odis .. Enjoy Kohl's tons against SL (though I am pretty sure you haven't watched half of this boring series)

so you admit that saeed anwar could not handle difficult conditions and good bowling?

i bet you that had saeed anwar played today he would not have been able to match kohli

 

[backfootpunch]

Useless record. Got owned in the ODIs that mattered most - The 2015 WC Semi and the CT Final.. batted like a tailender in both. Proper bilateral bully lol.

Trust me he will deliver India the WC in either 2019 or both in 2023 as well. Has a really good chance of delivering the WC in 2023 since he will be batting at home. His best in ICC ODI tournaments is yet to come and also on that note don't forget his knock in CT 2013 final.

 

[Leo23]

according to ppers every top batsman of the 90s is better than every top batsman of today )

 

[Cric1234]

Great record will he be as good in 5 years modern day greats have a peak then decline mostly.
It remains to be seen next World Cup is crucial for Kohli has to deliver in Knockouts.

 

[backfootpunch]

so you admit that saeed anwar could not handle difficult conditions and good bowling?

i bet you that had saeed anwar played today he would not have been able to match kohli

As you said earlier if this batting genius was a Pakistani the tone on this forum would be polar opposite. They're all gonna be in for a shock when they find that Babar Azam is another mental midget yet these days they get hyped about the fact that his record after the same number of ODIs with Kohli was better.

Don't get me wrong I'm a Pakistan fan and want Babar Azam to prove me wrong but I can't see it happening.

PP'ers need to spend less time being concerned with VK and actually realise the best prodigy for Pakistan isn't even half as good.

Across all formats Virat Kohli is the best batsman in the world. In tests alone it's Steve Smith.

 

[Suleiman]

Him performing in a WC knockout stage will take him from ODI ATG to GOAT.

Unlike ABD and Amla who are proclaimed as the other best ODI batsmen in the last 6 years, he is still young and will get more chances to set the record straight wrt to his tourney record in his peak. Also has the killer instinct which so many batsmen lack today especially the 2 aforementioned ones.

 

[Haz95]

They're all gonna be in for a shock when they find that Babar Azam is another mental midget yet these days they get hyped about the fact that his record after the same number of ODIs with Kohli was better.

So let me get this straight, if Kohli fails out of his comfort zone in an important match it's ok because he's the greatest ever batsman, something to do with Munaf>Waqar Younis, GOAT, the King Viv Usurper but if Babar fails he's a mental midget?

Kohli is a better batsman than Babar for being more dynamic with more gears, not because Babar he's 'mentally stronger' because he isn't. The main argument against Kohli being the GOAT is that he's a choker who fails as the occasion gets grander.

 

[Rayyman]

[MENTION=145243]Leo23[/MENTION]

It's okay to admire an Indian player as a Pakistani. For example, Jadeja is one of my favorite cricketers.

But the way you support Kohli, I'm not surprised that many have accused you of being Indian.

 

[backfootpunch]

[MENTION=145243]Leo23[/MENTION]

It's okay to admire an Indian player as a Pakistani. For example, Jadeja is one of my favorite cricketers.

But the way you support Kohli, I'm not surprised that many have accused you of being Indian.

Do you remember Mamoon? He was a big fan of Kohli as well. His batting oozes class so he's going to have huge fans in and outside of India.

Any admirer of cricket without any bias in their soul has to appreciate great cricket.

All this oh if you rate kohli so highly or adore him so much makes you India is just childish to be frankly honest.

 

[Saj]

The guy is a machine. He will break most odi batting records & make it very difficult for others to beat them in future.

 

[Rayyman]

Do you remember Mamoon? He was a big fan of Kohli as well. His batting oozes class so he's going to have huge fans in and outside of India.

Any admirer of cricket without any bias in their soul has to appreciate great cricket.

All this oh if you rate kohli so highly or adore him so much makes you India is just childish to be frankly honest.

Appreciating a batsman is one thing and fanboism is another.

 

[TestMatch]

An amazing conversion rate, regardless of opposition/track bullying. It takes great determination and drive to achieve 30 tons in less than 200 outings.

 

[backfootpunch]

So let me get this straight, if Kohli fails out of his comfort zone in an important match it's ok because he's the greatest ever batsman, something to do with Munaf>Waqar Younis, GOAT, the King Viv Usurper but if Babar fails he's a mental midget?

Kohli is a better batsman than Babar for being more dynamic with more gears, not because Babar he's 'mentally stronger' because he isn't. The main argument against Kohli being the GOAT is that he's a choker who fails as the occasion gets grander.

That's 2 matches - WC SF 15 and CT Final. Mind you he did deliver in CT 13 final and has a great record in WT20 knockout games. The innings against Aus in last year's t20 QF was possibly the greatest t20 knock I've ever seen.

All this theroy about him failing in big matches, ICC tournaments and being out of the comfort zone is just a cheap shot.

As for Babar Azam I'm fed up with the hype surrounding this guy, hasn't delivered any winning knocks chasing. Didn't score a single 50 in CT and has played 10 ODIs in England with grand stats of the following:

Avg: 29.33 SR: 76.52 AND no 50+ scores. But all I seem to hear on PP is Babar Azam after 30 ODIs > Kohli after 30 ODIs...

 

[Dingolfy]

So let me get this straight, if Kohli fails out of his comfort zone in an important match it's ok because he's the greatest ever batsman, something to do with Munaf>Waqar Younis, GOAT, the King Viv Usurper but if Babar fails he's a mental midget?

Kohli is a better batsman than Babar for being more dynamic with more gears, not because Babar he's 'mentally stronger' because he isn't. The main argument against Kohli being the GOAT is that he's a choker who fails as the occasion gets grander.

Like his 183 against you guys in Asia cup chasing the biggest total ever against Pakistan! Not even Sachin and Sehwag were able to do that against Pakistan.Though I don't agree that he is better than Ponting as pitches are flatter and good bowlers are few in this era.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

i bet you that had saeed anwar played today he would not have been able to match kohli

ok so does that make Saeed 10 times lesser batsman than Kohli as you said?

bhayya ji I have seen both Kohli and Saeed for most part of their careers (unlike you) and though kohli is better he is not '10 times' better as you are trying to portray. kohli is an odi ATG for me but Saeed was an odi great too.

Just to make your hero a legend dont destroy others to a gutter level. Learn to appreciate others too.

 

[Haz95]

That's 2 matches - WC SF 15 and CT Final. Mind you he did deliver in CT 13 final and has a great record in WT20 knockout games. The innings against Aus in last year's t20 QF was possibly the greatest t20 knock I've ever seen.

All this theroy about him failing in big matches, ICC tournaments and being out of the comfort zone is just a cheap shot.

As for Babar Azam I'm fed up with the hype surrounding this guy, hasn't delivered any winning knocks chasing. Didn't score a single 50 in CT and has played 10 ODIs in England with grand stats of the following:

Avg: 29.33 SR: 76.52 AND no 50+ scores. But all I seem to hear on PP is Babar Azam after 30 ODIs > Kohli after 30 ODIs...

It would be a cheap shot if it didn't happen so cosntantly. I don't give a rats as5 about T20s in which the Braithwaithes and Samuels are also ATGs who play ATG knocks. Am talking real presure situations i.e. CTs and WCs. The only knock he has is a 40 odd in the 2013 CT final, which is a good knock but nowhere near convicining or big enough. Again when the situation gets tougher and tougher he fails worse. Both WC semi finals he failed catastrophically...especially the 2015 one where he was the senior most lead batsman.

Like his 183 against you guys in Asia cup chasing the biggest total ever against Pakistan! Not even Sachin and Sehwag were able to do that against Pakistan.Though I don't agree that he is better than Ponting as pitches are flatter and good bowlers are few in this era.

The biggest total ever was this CT that just went past tho, we saw how Kohli fared .

Besides a tournament where YK averages 50 odd @100 is no big deal. Like I said, the grander the occasion, the worse he fails

 

[Justcrazy]

He can easily get to 75 + OD hundreds.

 

[ego-gambit]

As Ind and pak don't play each other often so Waiting for Pak vs Srilanka series now as to compare their performance

 

[Abdullah719]

Once again, I don't understand the logic of bringing in Munaf Patel or Madan Lal when someone criticises Kohli's record in big matches.

The only reason why this is brought up is because his fans say he is already the greatest ODI batsman ever. It's simply ridiculous to make that claim when he has barely done anything of note in tournament knockouts. The likes of Viv and Sachin both performed in knockout matches and that's why they're always discussed in the context of GOAT ODI batsmen. Kohli hasn't done that.

When you're comparing the best of the best, you have to take account of their performances on the big stage. That does not mean that an average cricketer is better than a great simply because he may have performed on the big stage a couple of times. Performances in big matches is the criterion to differentiate between the greats. Unless someone values these eight hundreds against Sri Lanka on the same level as a World Cup final hundred in which case....

No sense in bringing Babar Azam into the conversation either, no one in their right mind claims that he IS a better batsman. Or anywhere close to it.

 

[jusarrived]

first let him learn to play swing & seam & even quality spin.

Ponting has already retired .

 

[Dingolfy]

The biggest total ever was this CT that just went past tho, we saw how Kohli fared .

Besides a tournament where YK averages 50 odd @100 is no big deal. Like I said, the grander the occasion, the worse he fails

I meant biggest total ever successfully chased against Pakistan.And yeah, ASIA cup ain't no big deal. I have seen how people celebrated here when Afridi won you guys that game back in 2014 with his 2 sixes.

Kohli will keep getting his chances as long as our bowlers being wicket-less wonders and your fielders being folks with butter-fingers.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Once again, I don't understand the logic of bringing in Munaf Patel or Madan Lal when someone criticises Kohli's record in big matches.

The only reason why this is brought up is because his fans say he is already the greatest ODI batsman ever. It's simply ridiculous to make that claim when he has barely done anything of note in tournament knockouts. The likes of Viv and Sachin both performed in knockout matches and that's why they're always discussed in the context of GOAT ODI batsmen. Kohli hasn't done that.

When you're comparing the best of the best, you have to take account of their performances on the big stage. That does not mean that an average cricketer is better than a great simply because he may have performed on the big stage a couple of times. Performances in big matches is the criterion to differentiate between the greats. Unless someone values these eight hundreds against Sri Lanka on the same level as a World Cup final hundred in which case....

No sense in bringing Babar Azam into the conversation either, no one in their right mind claims that he IS a better batsman. Or anywhere close to it.

Sachin was even bigger choker when it comes to pressure games. I could easily count half a dorzen games where he choked like South African teams does in knockout games.

Most sane fans dont claim him to be GOAT, but just provide their opinion that HE IS ON HIS WAY to be GOAT. He is only half way to his career and already living behind legends of the game.

Again playing a useful knock in important worldcup games shouldnt be the only criteria for GOAT. If that is the case then it should also apply to everyone in the past. Gavaskar played most selfish knock in ODI history yet no one seems to call him 'choker', yet he is rated as ATG.

No Indian player has ever comes close to Kohli in terms of soaking pressure and performing. Tendulkar was biggest choker of Indian history. His countless hundreds in losing cause is testimony to it. Yet he is rated as ATG but for Kohli he need to perform in finals.

W Younis example is also suitable to that claim. Younis was absolute failure in worldcups even in league matches but he is rated as ATG.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Though I think Kohli is already an odi ATG (majorly because he is a chasing freak and much superior to others) but posters are not wrong when they say that Kohli hasnt done anything special when it mattered the most in tournament finals. He has already got more chances than some players in their entire career but there is no signature knock in tournament finals. Against the toughest bowlers on the biggest of stages he failed to deliver

Also those who compare his today's stats with top order batsman of 90s please anwser me one thing: how many top order batsmen in 90s averaged 48+? While in current time there are quite a few. I think even Rohit Sharma and Dilshan average 50+ as openers. What does it tell you? That may be conditions in 90s were in real difficult and maybe batting in odis as a top order bat was difficult compare to now. It is not just one player but whole lot of current era average (much) more.

 

[Leo23]

As you said earlier if this batting genius was a Pakistani the tone on this forum would be polar opposite. They're all gonna be in for a shock when they find that Babar Azam is another mental midget yet these days they get hyped about the fact that his record after the same number of ODIs with Kohli was better.

Don't get me wrong I'm a Pakistan fan and want Babar Azam to prove me wrong but I can't see it happening.

PP'ers need to spend less time being concerned with VK and actually realise the best prodigy for Pakistan isn't even half as good.

Across all formats Virat Kohli is the best batsman in the world. In tests alone it's Steve Smith.

Do you remember Mamoon? He was a big fan of Kohli as well. His batting oozes class so he's going to have huge fans in and outside of India.

Any admirer of cricket without any bias in their soul has to appreciate great cricket.

All this oh if you rate kohli so highly or adore him so much makes you India is just childish to be frankly honest.

exactly

belittling kohli doesn't lessen his achievements but if only exposes the bitter and small time mentality of some people

kohli is one of the very best batsmen in history and he is only 28 years old

we are lucky to have witnessed a player who will be talked about for decades and decades

 

[jusarrived]

Averages 23 in 8 ODI Tournament Finals and 31 in Eliminators with no hundreds. He can keep all the T20 records though where he can compete with the likes of Samuels and Brathwaite for the top spot. I'll take even Dhawan over him as an ODI batsman anyday. Kohli's record is the epitomy of soft runs and going AWOL when the stakes are high.

Thats how we are judging players these days ?
Whats your opinion on Tendulkar , who has an amazing tournament finals record ?

 

[Proactive_]

Want to know the reality of Virat Kohli the batsman? Let's go:

Virat Kohli's ODI record in series/tournaments featuring 3 teams or more (amongst Top 7 teams)

Average already down to 42.

Virat Kohli's ODI record in WC and CT QFs/ SFs and Finals: (Amongst the Top 7 teams ):

Average :29

Average against Australia in bilaterals: 80
Average against Australia in Tournaments: 17

Incredible, higher the stakes, harder the golden boy chokes.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

exactly

only exposes the bitter and small time mentality of some people

Only one who has a biter and small mentality here is you. Belittling Saeed by saying Kohli is 10 times better than him without watching Saeed. When did cricket start playing on cricinfo stats?

 

[jusarrived]

Sachin was even bigger choker when it comes to pressure games. I could easily count half a dorzen games where he choked like South African teams does in knockout games.

Most sane fans dont claim him to be GOAT, but just provide their opinion that HE IS ON HIS WAY to be GOAT. He is only half way to his career and already living behind legends of the game.

Again playing a useful knock in important worldcup games shouldnt be the only criteria for GOAT. If that is the case then it should also apply to everyone in the past. Gavaskar played most selfish knock in ODI history yet no one seems to call him 'choker', yet he is rated as ATG.

No Indian player has ever comes close to Kohli in terms of soaking pressure and performing. Tendulkar was biggest choker of Indian history. His countless hundreds in losing cause is testimony to it. Yet he is rated as ATG but for Kohli he need to perform in finals.

W Younis example is also suitable to that claim. Younis was absolute failure in worldcups even in league matches but he is rated as ATG.

Precisely and its a joke that we have "experts" here claiming he scores soft runs . I remember a while back , the whole forum was hung on his stats batting first which am guessing he seems to have fixed now and now based on 8 matches , hes a choker lol

 

[jusarrived]

Want to know the reality of Virat Kohli the batsman? Let's go:

Virat Kohli's ODI record in series/tournaments featuring 3 teams or more (amongst Top 7 teams)

Average already down to 42.

Virat Kohli's ODI record in WC and CT QFs/ SFs and Finals: (Amongst the Top 7 teams ):

Average :29

Average against Australia in bilaterals: 80
Average against Australia in Tournaments: 17

Incredible, higher the stakes, harder the golden boy chokes.

Whats that even supposed to mean ? Who sets these criteria ?
And the tournament stats you pasted , he averages 42 .

 

[Extra_Cover]

The way people speak about Viv 30 years on, same way people will remember Virat 30 years down the line as the best limited overs batsman ever.

 

[Dingolfy]

Precisely and its a joke that we have "experts" here claiming he scores soft runs . I remember a while back , the whole forum was hung on his stats batting first which am guessing he seems to have fixed now and now based on 8 matches , hes a choker lol

This. If chasing was that easy, we would be seeing a dime-a-dozen players doing it.I agree the pitches have become flatter and bowlers mediocre, but you still need a steely resolve to chase those big runs.To label a man who does that with ease as a choker ,would certainly rakes up tint of jealousy and bitterness.

 

[Abdullah719]

Sachin was even bigger choker when it comes to pressure games. I could easily count half a dorzen games where he choked like South African teams does in knockout games.

Most sane fans dont claim him to be GOAT, but just provide their opinion that HE IS ON HIS WAY to be GOAT. He is only half way to his career and already living behind legends of the game.

Again playing a useful knock in important worldcup games shouldnt be the only criteria for GOAT. If that is the case then it should also apply to everyone in the past. Gavaskar played most selfish knock in ODI history yet no one seems to call him 'choker', yet he is rated as ATG.

No Indian player has ever comes close to Kohli in terms of soaking pressure and performing. Tendulkar was biggest choker of Indian history. His countless hundreds in losing cause is testimony to it. Yet he is rated as ATG but for Kohli he need to perform in finals.

W Younis example is also suitable to that claim. Younis was absolute failure in worldcups even in league matches but he is rated as ATG.

Sachin still played a couple of decent innings in knockout games but yes, overall his record was lacking that match-winning knock which is probably why so many people rate Viv as the greatest. If he had played a great knock in a final, I'm sure that would balance the scales a bit.

Most people would say that Kohli is already a great in ODIs and not many would argue against that. It's just that you can't call him the Greatest on the basis of all these knocks against Sri Lanka and the ilk, you need something more. Specially when you take into account the fact that scores have never been higher in cricket history than they are now and it's increasingly becoming a batsmen's game.

 

[Leo23]

Only one who has a biter and small mentality here is you. Belittling Saeed by saying Kohli is 10 times better than him without watching Saeed. When did cricket start playing on cricinfo stats?

i have watched him I'm not 15 yrs old

excellent player but much inferior to kohli and there's no shame in that ofcourse

kohli is atg but saeed wasn't

 

[Bilal7]

A joke. Kohli isn't half the batsman that Ponting was and he's third best from this era, behind ABD and Amla. Why? Well, let's see:

- Kohli has ZERO centuries against Australia, England, South Africa or Pakistan away, in won matches.

- His average in tournament finals is in the 20s and he has failed in two high profile matches in the past two years, the 2015 WC semi-final and the 2017 CT final.

- He has failed time and time again against the moving ball, whether it's gettinf schooled the Saffers and English overseas or the likes of Junaid at home. Kohli is a bunny against seam and swing.

- He's built his hype on smashing Sri Lanka all over the universe and destroying teams at home but you would be hard pressed to find a couple of innings of note away from home, against a team other than the hapless Lankans.

If AB and Viv are rated at 95 in ODIs and Sachin is a 92, Kohli will probably be an 85 at best.

 

[Bilal7]

Lest we forget, he's pretty useless batting first when he doesn't have a target to aim for and has to get creative with his batting.

 

[leatherface58]

He has failed in tournament finals (Except CT 13 which was honestly better than some of his centuries) but he is young enough, hungry enough and part of a really strong ODI team so he should have few more opportunities to rectify that. A true ODI great and with one good final knock, he should become an ATG.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Kohli is already an ATG of ATG's and well on his way of being the GOAT.