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'Not dumb' Starc and Fred Trueman 2.0 couldn't defend 270+ against the "worst English batting lineup" in decades.
Now what does that say ?
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'Not dumb' Starc and Fred Trueman 2.0 couldn't defend 270+ against the "worst English batting lineup" in decades.
Now what does that say ?
Very good observation, quite logical as well. However I have a question - in last 23 years PAK has toured Australia five times and after over a month stay and acclamation, in all of those five tours, in last Test made Australia bat once...... sometimes not even once like last time 0.3 times you may say. In SAF also three of the last five ..... you know.
What could be the reason - home sick may be?
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'Not dumb' Starc and Fred Trueman 2.0 couldn't defend 270+ against the "worst English batting lineup" in decades.
Now what does that say ?
Lol, savage and that to "mediocre" batsmen like Buttler and bowling all-rounder Woakes.
That it was the Fourth Innings so it was Yasir Shah’s job to do that?
'Not dumb' Starc and Fred Trueman 2.0 couldn't defend 270+ against the "worst English batting lineup" in decades.
Now what does that say ?
I’m not saying that Shaheen and Naseem are the finished article.
I’m saying that no two young bowlers in the world have their potential, let alone two in the same team.
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LOL yeah that's why they won so many series there I have lost the count the times India won in Australia.It makes me extremely happy whenever India tour SENA countries. They always show them Indian team and Indias fans their real place.
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Yasir did his job by picking 4 wickets. What did 'not dumb' Starc and Fred Trueman 2.0 do ?
There aren't any young bowlers like them in world cricket because they're honing themselves up in domestics and are not thrown at the deep end like the Pakistani management.
Only thing that separates them from other upcoming fast bowlers is their official age. Other than that they have nothing to show for except bullying SL and Ban at home. Only twice they faced quality opponents (together).... they were made to look like bowling machines by Warner, Labu and co and could do zilch against Butler and Woakes. I know it's too early to expect match winning spells from them against top teams but all this overhyping just looks premature for now.
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Since 2011 india in Sena countries have lost 23 matches out of 35 matches and have only won 5 matches in this period. Pathetic pathetic stats for so called best team.They are a garbage team away from home.
We might have to shorten that list in about a week!
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India in England since 2011
2011 (4-0) whitewashed
2014 (3-1)
2018(4-1)
They have played 14 matches and lost 11 and won only 2 and one was a draw.. England should stop inviting India.They are just not good enough to compete in England.
2011 (4-0) whitewashed
2014 (3-1)
2018(4-1)
They have played 14 matches and lost 11 and won only 2 and one was a draw.. England should stop inviting India.They are just not good enough to compete in England.
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Pakistan are actually one of the few teams not to have lost to England in that time. India (2014 & 2018), Australia (2015), Sri Lanka (2016), South Africa (2017), West Indies (2017 & 2020) and Ireland (2019 - although does one match constitute a series?) have all come unstuck in England in the past six years but Pakistan have drawn both their series over here in the past six years.
They'll need a win in the third Test to prevent their name being added to that list.
New Zealand are the only other side to have played a Test series in England since 2014 and avoid defeat, their last visit was in 2015 and the two-match series ended 1-1.
They'll need a win in the third Test to prevent their name being added to that list.
New Zealand are the only other side to have played a Test series in England since 2014 and avoid defeat, their last visit was in 2015 and the two-match series ended 1-1.
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Our record in England is overrated. Fans are doing laps of honour over drawn series lol.
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none of those series India actually prepped properly. Indian players don't play county because they don't need to as they are already filthy rich. India dint tour Ireland to get acclimated to the English conditions like pakistan did. India dint verse county teams for practice. India played bilateral odi and t20 before starting the official test series. So no surprises why they lost. Give this indian team some time to acclimate and they would comfortably challenge England if not beat them away.
Pakistan did all the prep they could in 2016 and they managed to draw. Good effort but what happened In australia? what happened at home vs n.z? what happened at home vs several other crap teams.
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Who cares man? I don't want to hear any excuse if they are not good enough then they are not good enough.if Pakistan lost in Australia which means they are not good enough there. I never made any excuse and I would never make they lost fair and square there. I don't believe in what ifs! Indian fans behave like they are no.1 which they clearly are not.
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Actually it's 24 losses. India lost 24 times out of 35
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So who in your opinion is #1?
How does that compare to Pakistan and Sri Lanka's last 35 tests in those 4 countries?
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Let’s cut to the chase.
Pakistan is a deeply mediocre team, and that mediocrity is not because we didn’t select A over B and X over Y.
Our fans always assume that the players sitting outside are the real deal, and when they are given a chance and prove to be substandard, they latch onto the next bunch of average cricketers.
For years, we sang songs about Abid Ali, and within three innings in England, we saw that he is not the savior we touted him to be.
You bring along the best bunch of hyped players and same will happen. Maybe once in 10 years, we will produce an elite player like Babar, but that is about it.
So we are not mediocre because of bad selection policies; we are mediocre because our cricketer culture is rotten to the core.
So what is this rotten cricket culture? It is the brand of cricket that we try to play, it is the brand of cricket that we think we should play, it is the attitude towards the game, it is the way our players, ex-players and even our fans perceive the game etc.
We have an expired cricket model with exceptionally deluded set of fans who have a very poor understanding of cricket.
You can count on one hand the number of players, ex-players and fans in the country who genuinely understand the game.
Our rotten cricket culture can be reformed, but it will take many years and we are yet to take the first baby step.
Pakistan is a deeply mediocre team, and that mediocrity is not because we didn’t select A over B and X over Y.
Our fans always assume that the players sitting outside are the real deal, and when they are given a chance and prove to be substandard, they latch onto the next bunch of average cricketers.
For years, we sang songs about Abid Ali, and within three innings in England, we saw that he is not the savior we touted him to be.
You bring along the best bunch of hyped players and same will happen. Maybe once in 10 years, we will produce an elite player like Babar, but that is about it.
So we are not mediocre because of bad selection policies; we are mediocre because our cricketer culture is rotten to the core.
So what is this rotten cricket culture? It is the brand of cricket that we try to play, it is the brand of cricket that we think we should play, it is the attitude towards the game, it is the way our players, ex-players and even our fans perceive the game etc.
We have an expired cricket model with exceptionally deluded set of fans who have a very poor understanding of cricket.
You can count on one hand the number of players, ex-players and fans in the country who genuinely understand the game.
Our rotten cricket culture can be reformed, but it will take many years and we are yet to take the first baby step.
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it matters though. India's record between 2000 -2010 in England is one away series win and 2 draws away from home. one win at home and one draw at home.
Why? indian playeres prepared by playing county games, played friendlies vs west indies In englsnd and also played county teams for practice. Results are there to see.
post 2010, India's schedule is too tight. Don't have enough time to prepare plus they need all key players to play in all formats as they drive the stadium attendance figures. This would equate to less rest hence players are fatigued before they even play the official tests series and that's without little to almost no county practice.
Anyway if india actually genuinely allow enough time to prepare for an away series in England or n.z, I guarantee you india can win or atleast draw.
You have it right. As rational people do, Indians are simply prioritizing the finite time they have.
If the choice is between the IPL and doing well in England (which requires them to play county cricket to prepare) not surprisingly they choose IPL and its millions. I know it is difficult for old-fashioned cricket fans to understand this new world.
To some cricket fans how a team fares in England is of the greatest importance, to the Indian players, and even the Indian public it is of secondary importance. The tamasha of the IPL brings Indian fans to the stadiums, a Test series played in a far away land is secondary.
Having said that, the #1 ranking is nice, and no doubt India will regain it soon now that the away series are completed and the home series are due. Quite simply, India will again be the undisputed #1 according to the ranking rules because however much they may lose abroad, they beat the opposition even worse at home. That's a fair #1 ranking, and India is definitely better than another team if the combined home and away score is in India's favor.
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Definitely one of the better contests in test cricket. England's last two tours of UAE have been pretty one sided affairs though. Expecting a tougher challenge when they tour Pakistan in 2022.
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Thread about Pakistan and England.
Stick to it.
Stick to it.
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lol ? we beat England away in 2000-2010 era cause we practiced county games with a weaker side.
Current indian team with the top bowlers the have would challenge and beat England (tests) in England if they prioritize winning away instead of playing t20 ipl and odi games.
Current indian team with the top bowlers the have would challenge and beat England (tests) in England if they prioritize winning away instead of playing t20 ipl and odi games.
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Nah. We’ve had a mental block against England for close to a decade now. First half, we were just not good enough skill-wise to compete in England. However, last series was winnable but we lost all tosses and most importantly lost to one man again and again. Not sure Sam Curran is as big a star as we made him.
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mental block? You mean away from home. No. honestly the only reason we lost is cause we never prioritized county practice and playing in english conditions. I will be shocked if we lost the series despite practicing county and playing trial games vs Ireland like pakistan in 2016.
India just have a way busier schedule hence don't get enough time to adapt. you don't play t20 and odi before your test matches. You play them at the end. Money is what matters though so I doubt indian players would change their priorities to satisfy old school fans. it is what it is.
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Yeah because 4-0 and 4-1 are better than 2-2 and 1-1…
Our target shouldn't be to out perform India.
Forgive me I don't celebrate draws.
Can someone post how many matches Pakistan has won in SENA during the same time.
4 actually, they won one in NZ too in 2011.
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Any avid follower of Test cricket knows that away draws especially against top teams are to be celebrated. For an Asian team, drawing series in SENA is difficult.
<img src="https://i.imgur.com/bKED0og.jpg" width="500">
Oh dear God, how dare Australia celebrate a drawn series in England. Low standards, etc…
The fact is that any good team aims to consistently win at home and avoid losing away series. Winning away series is, of course, the ideal objective but you’re pointlessly belittling drawn away series. For the hosts, drawing a home series is not a positive result unless they are much weaker. Similarly, for an away side, drawing a series is a positive unless they are far stronger than their opponents.
Wasnt that in 2010?
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Australia are playing for the ashes and they retained them. They wouldn't be celebrating a draw against South Africa got example.
It's okay to celebrate a drawn series after a long while of defeats but we celebrate every drawn series against England.
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They get to retain the Ashes.
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We get worse with every game. Not sure how that happens if practice and acclimatization is all we need.
For a start, India need to be smart and stop playing 5 match test series. 5 tests are just not meant for Asian athletes. I think outside Ashes, its only Ind-Eng test series comprises of 5 games.
BCCI needs to be smart like PCB/SLCB and organize 2,3 or max 4 match test tours. With English weather, there are always chances of a game or two getting washes out, win a game somehow and claim to have drawn the series.
Year 2014, SL won a test in Eng and as the result the series 1-0.
India goes next and exactly after 2 matches was leading 1-0. But we lost last 3 tests and rest is history.
Record book reads, SL won the series in Eng in 2014 but India lost.
So BCCI needs to act smart, organize 3 match test series, somehow win 1 game, pray for 1 to get washeout and claim drawn series
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BCCI needs to be smart like PCB/SLCB and organize 2,3 or max 4 match test tours. With English weather, there are always chances of a game or two getting washes out, win a game somehow and claim to have drawn the series.
Year 2014, SL won a test in Eng and as the result the series 1-0.
India goes next and exactly after 2 matches was leading 1-0. But we lost last 3 tests and rest is history.
Record book reads, SL won the series in Eng in 2014 but India lost.
So BCCI needs to act smart, organize 3 match test series, somehow win 1 game, pray for 1 to get washeout and claim drawn series
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That’s precisely the point.
Australia won at home and drew away which was enough for them to retain the Ashes. For the home side, nothing short of winning is good enough unless they are far weaker than their opponents.
When the final Test match between England and West Indies started, the discussion was about whether West Indies could beat England and draw the series, because they would then retain the Wisden Trophy, having beaten them at home.
Fewer people would have a reason to criticize India’s Test ranking if they consistently drew away series instead of constantly getting whitewashed. Drawing away series is a positive achievement.
But Djokovic is better than Nadal and Federer also.
He has crushed both of them at their dens and at their peaks. Surpassing slam count is just a formality now
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because we play so many rubbish t20 and odi games prior to tests. We need to play tests first but money is in of and t20 so I am not surprised by our performances in the latter away from home. Fatigue would be a factor too.
India also uses the same players across formats. odi and t20 should be filled with emerging talents but india have to play some of the key players as they always attract crowds.
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No, the actual argument is the following:
“Doing relatively better in one country means nothing when you do a lot worse in all other countries and consistently occupy low rankings”
Speaking of exams, Pakistan is the student that gets C, D and U grades in all subjects and consistently ends up in the bottom half of the class every year.
The highest grade that he gets is a B+ or an A- in English.
On the other hand, India is the student that gets a lot of A and B grades, but doesn’t perform well in English and usually ends up with a C or a D. However, he regularly finishes in the top half of the class.
Pakistan then claims that superiority over India because he does better in English, while ignoring his mediocre record in all other subjects and also his mediocre standing in class.
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Pakistan head into Friday's third Test at Southampton facing a first series defeat against England in 10 years.
The tourists are 1-0 down in a three-match campaign after a three-wicket defeat in the first Test at Old Trafford, a match where Pakistan were on top until the closing stages, was followed by a draw in a second Test at Southampton where neither side had a chance of victory in a match blighted by bad weather.
There had been concerns that, as happened to the West Indies' fast bowlers during their 2-1 defeat by England in a preceding behind closed door series that marked international cricket's return from lockdown, Pakistan's quicks would be worn out by three back-to-back Tests.
But the lack of action in the second match -- Pakistan had bowled just 43.1 overs in England's first innings when a draw was agreed -- should mean a first-choice pace attack of Shaheen Afridi, Mohammad Abbas and Naseem Shah are all fit and firing for Friday's finale at the Ageas Bowl.
Pakistan coach Misbah-ul-Haq was confident fatigue would not have been an issue in any event, with the former captain, in a blog for the Pakistan Cricket Board's website, writing that "fitness has been an important part of our strategy as a team" since he took charge in September.
Despite little play in the second Test, Misbah was heartened by the determination of Mohammad Rizwan, who top-scored with 72, the resilience of Pakistan's top-order in "testing conditions" and the fact an attack featuring leg-spinner Yasir Shah took four wickets.
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"The seamers also bowled really well...That last session, even as the game drifted towards a draw, gives us a lot of confidence going into the last Test," Misbah added. "It's a big game and we want to end the series on a good note."
Meanwhile England face another selection dilemma.
There will be a strong temptation to stick with the tried and tested pace trio of James Anderson, Stuart Broad and Chris Woakes, so effective in the kind of overcast English conditions that are likely to be a factor in the third Test as they were in the second.
But with English cricket constantly obsessing about the next Ashes series, a 2021/22 tour of Australia, team management would like to give express fast bowlers Jofra Archer and Mark Wood more Test-match game time before they head 'Down Under'.
"It's very difficult," said England coach Chris Silverwood.
"You look at what you need for the here and now and you look down the line for what we potentially need (in Australia).
"It's a difficult balance to get...There's various factors we look at and pace is one of them: it's pace, movement, bounce, left or right arm...all these things come into account."
Another, immediate, issue is that Friday's match could be played on a used pitch if the weather means the Ageas Bowl ground staff do not have enough time to prepare a fresh surface after the second Test finished on Monday.
The delays in that match, including stoppages for bad light when the floodlights were on full beam, could see the currently rigid 11:00am local (1000 GMT) start time for a Test in England brought forward, as happens in other countries where there is a more flexible approach.
"The earlier start time makes a lot of sense to me," said Silverwood, with both England and Pakistan staying in 'bio-secure' onsite hotels. "What is the harm in starting at 10:30am (0930 GMT)?
"But I've had no official word it'll happen.
"We're all here anyway. We're all on the ground, so it wouldn't be very difficult to make it happen."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200820-pakistan-s-10-year-run-under-threat-in-final-test
The tourists are 1-0 down in a three-match campaign after a three-wicket defeat in the first Test at Old Trafford, a match where Pakistan were on top until the closing stages, was followed by a draw in a second Test at Southampton where neither side had a chance of victory in a match blighted by bad weather.
There had been concerns that, as happened to the West Indies' fast bowlers during their 2-1 defeat by England in a preceding behind closed door series that marked international cricket's return from lockdown, Pakistan's quicks would be worn out by three back-to-back Tests.
But the lack of action in the second match -- Pakistan had bowled just 43.1 overs in England's first innings when a draw was agreed -- should mean a first-choice pace attack of Shaheen Afridi, Mohammad Abbas and Naseem Shah are all fit and firing for Friday's finale at the Ageas Bowl.
Pakistan coach Misbah-ul-Haq was confident fatigue would not have been an issue in any event, with the former captain, in a blog for the Pakistan Cricket Board's website, writing that "fitness has been an important part of our strategy as a team" since he took charge in September.
Despite little play in the second Test, Misbah was heartened by the determination of Mohammad Rizwan, who top-scored with 72, the resilience of Pakistan's top-order in "testing conditions" and the fact an attack featuring leg-spinner Yasir Shah took four wickets.
- 'Big game' -
"The seamers also bowled really well...That last session, even as the game drifted towards a draw, gives us a lot of confidence going into the last Test," Misbah added. "It's a big game and we want to end the series on a good note."
Meanwhile England face another selection dilemma.
There will be a strong temptation to stick with the tried and tested pace trio of James Anderson, Stuart Broad and Chris Woakes, so effective in the kind of overcast English conditions that are likely to be a factor in the third Test as they were in the second.
But with English cricket constantly obsessing about the next Ashes series, a 2021/22 tour of Australia, team management would like to give express fast bowlers Jofra Archer and Mark Wood more Test-match game time before they head 'Down Under'.
"It's very difficult," said England coach Chris Silverwood.
"You look at what you need for the here and now and you look down the line for what we potentially need (in Australia).
"It's a difficult balance to get...There's various factors we look at and pace is one of them: it's pace, movement, bounce, left or right arm...all these things come into account."
Another, immediate, issue is that Friday's match could be played on a used pitch if the weather means the Ageas Bowl ground staff do not have enough time to prepare a fresh surface after the second Test finished on Monday.
The delays in that match, including stoppages for bad light when the floodlights were on full beam, could see the currently rigid 11:00am local (1000 GMT) start time for a Test in England brought forward, as happens in other countries where there is a more flexible approach.
"The earlier start time makes a lot of sense to me," said Silverwood, with both England and Pakistan staying in 'bio-secure' onsite hotels. "What is the harm in starting at 10:30am (0930 GMT)?
"But I've had no official word it'll happen.
"We're all here anyway. We're all on the ground, so it wouldn't be very difficult to make it happen."
https://www.france24.com/en/20200820-pakistan-s-10-year-run-under-threat-in-final-test
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Lol India also get C and D grades in New Zealand, South Africa etc and apart from last exam in Australia where it had essentially a cheat sheet, it didn’t do too well there either. But it has been getting A+s at home which Pakistan hasn’t certainly been getting in recent times and tbh didn’t even in the UAE unbeaten era
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In your attempt to diss India, you forgot that India didn't ask Warner and Smith to cheat. Didn't do well there? Really? How many Asian teams have won in Australia, ever? Even against far worse teams than that Smith & Warner less team, they never ever won a test series there.
And let me rejig your memory, Australia still had their entire bowling lineup in that series.
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Pakistan had a formula to win in UAE which for some reason Mickey did not follow and we lost to Sri Lanka.
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Or maybe the formula was Younis & Misbah before and they weren't there anymore?
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India have still done far better in Australia even if you ignore the last series. At least they manage to draw and win the odd Test.
We have been beyond embarrassing in Australia. I don’t think any team is as bad in any country as Pakistan in Australia.
100% losing record since 1996 is hilarious.
Apart from 2012 tour, India has competed well in all Australian tours.
2003-04 - Drawn the test series.
2007 - Lost 2-1 but without farcical umpiring by Bucknor we would have won that Sydney test and the series.
2012 - Worst tour and totally outplayed. Indian team was still under world cup win hangover.
2015 - Virat had a dream series and India competed really well. We should have won that Adelaide test and drew the series 1-1.
2019 - Went onto win the series.
2020-2021 - ?
2003-04 - Drawn the test series.
2007 - Lost 2-1 but without farcical umpiring by Bucknor we would have won that Sydney test and the series.
2012 - Worst tour and totally outplayed. Indian team was still under world cup win hangover.
2015 - Virat had a dream series and India competed really well. We should have won that Adelaide test and drew the series 1-1.
2019 - Went onto win the series.
2020-2021 - ?
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My point has nothing to do with that. Perhaps you misunderstood me.
I said that India has been way more dominant at home that we have ever been even in the Misbah UAE era. What’s the contradiction?
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Lol would have won 2007 series. Also If we’re talking about ‘should have won’ then Pakistan fans can add onto the list as well
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I am not dissing India. If you look at my posts in the forum over the years I have generally praised India’s competitiveness in Australia.
In the thread we’re talking from more of a contemporary context (post 2010) where Pakistan have done well in England. That is the basic premise of the thread because if we don’t exclusively talk about that time period then the original point doesn’t even stand since India have won a series in England in 2007. So by default we should look at that period only. And in that period Pakistan has done significantly well in England compared to India at least. In that same period India lost a series 4-0 and 2-0 in Australia and then won at the last tour. Perhaps my use of the term ‘cheat sheet’ was incorrect but the point was to use an academic example. I guess I should have said that in the last exam, the 2 most difficult subjects which are usually part of the exan were removed? Maybe that is better comparison. And it is factual that asides from that series, India hasn’t done too wel in Australia in the context of what we’re talking about. There is nothing wrong in stating that. How Pakistan has done is irrelevant and certainly doesn’t take away my or anyone’s right to comment otherwise we should all stop posting in forums.
India would have won the sydney test in 2007 without the horrific umpiring by Bucknor. It prompted Kumble to say those famous words in PC - "Only 1 team was playing in the spirit of the game"
India won the Perth test fair & square and Australia did the same in Gabba. Without umpiring errors, India on course to win the sydney test and result would have been 2-1.
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Lol sure. Make yourselves feel better.
Also Kumble didn’t say that ratti hwi spirit of game line for umpires. He said for Australia who were aggressive and giving send offs and acting obnoxious. The simple fact is that Clarke took a bunch of wickets at the end and India threw away a certain draw. India won the test which was a dead rubber not when series was alive.
Lol what are you talking about? This is incorrect in so many ways.
First of all, the Perth test which India won was not a dead rubber. Australia was leading the series 2-0 by then with 2 tests go. Why it will be a dead rubber?
Second, Kumble didnt say spirit of the game due to send offs. It was because Australia was cheating blatantly in that game. Ricky ponting showing out signs to Ganguly which was umpires job.
India clearly got robbed in Sydney test and without poor umpiring would have definitely won the match and the series.
List of umpiring errors in that game:
1 - Ponting was out batting at 17 off Ganguly's bowling in 1st innings. (Aust 45-2)
2 - Ponting was out again batting at 55 (Aust 119-3)
3 - Symonds was out 3 times - once when batting at 30 (Aust 193-6), 2nd time when batting at 48 (Aust 238 -6) and 3rd time when batting at 148. He went onto score 162 not out which took Aust 1st innings score 463
4 - Wasim Jaffar was out of no ball
5 - In 2nd innings, Hussey was out when batting at 45 but not given. He went onto score 145.
6 - Dravid was given out caught behind when ball was far away from bat.
7 - Ganguly was not out and Clarke took a bump catch. Ponting showed out sign to Ganguly and umpire asked him to walk off.
This is what Ponting had to say about that test:
India got the ‘raw end of umpiring decisions’: Ricky Ponting on 2008 Sydney Test
More than twelve years since the infamous Test at the Sydney Cricket Ground, former Australian captain Ricky Ponting has spoken about what transpired between India and Australia during that match. Ponting, who spoke about the ‘Monkeygate’ episode in detail in a podcast on Sky Cricket, accepted that India had been hard done by during the match as some key umpiring decisions went against them.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...sydney-test/story-2HeOhnVZlLTewudh6mNKKO.html
India was a stronger team than Australia in than 2008 tour and without umpiring error would definitely have won that test series. The fact that we were a better team was immidiately proven in the ODI tri series that followed where we anhilated Aussies to win the commonwealth cup.
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Lol what are you talking about? This is incorrect in so many ways.
First of all, the Perth test which India won was not a dead rubber. Australia was leading the series 2-0 by then with 2 tests go. Why it will be a dead rubber?
Second, Kumble didnt say spirit of the game due to send offs. It was because Australia was cheating blatantly in that game. Ricky ponting showing out signs to Ganguly which was umpires job.
India clearly got robbed in Sydney test and without poor umpiring would have definitely won the match and the series.
List of umpiring errors in that game:
1 - Ponting was out batting at 17 off Ganguly's bowling in 1st innings. (Aust 45-2)
2 - Ponting was out again batting at 55 (Aust 119-3)
3 - Symonds was out 3 times - once when batting at 30 (Aust 193-6), 2nd time when batting at 48 (Aust 238 -6) and 3rd time when batting at 148. He went onto score 162 not out which took Aust 1st innings score 463
4 - Wasim Jaffar was out of no ball
5 - In 2nd innings, Hussey was out when batting at 45 but not given. He went onto score 145.
6 - Dravid was given out caught behind when ball was far away from bat.
7 - Ganguly was not out and Clarke took a bump catch. Ponting showed out sign to Ganguly and umpire asked him to walk off.
This is what Ponting had to say about that test:
India got the ‘raw end of umpiring decisions’: Ricky Ponting on 2008 Sydney Test
More than twelve years since the infamous Test at the Sydney Cricket Ground, former Australian captain Ricky Ponting has spoken about what transpired between India and Australia during that match. Ponting, who spoke about the ‘Monkeygate’ episode in detail in a podcast on Sky Cricket, accepted that India had been hard done by during the match as some key umpiring decisions went against them.
https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...sydney-test/story-2HeOhnVZlLTewudh6mNKKO.html
India was a stronger team than Australia in than 2008 tour and without umpiring error would definitely have won that test series. The fact that we were a better team was immidiately proven in the ODI tri series that followed where we anhilated Aussies to win the commonwealth cup.
Lol at equating odi series to test series.
Anyways you can believe what you want. Australia also got a few bad decisions in that test but India got more worse so it was not a case of bias. And as an Indian fan you really don’t wanna be talking about decisions going in favour of the home side...
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Even to this day, our dear neighbors whine and moan about that Sachin lbw at Mohali albeit with zero substance but can't acknowledge the real howler...that was the Sydney test.
Not surprised at all.
Not surprised at all.
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What Australian side was worse than the one India beat? I can’t think of one. Australia’s batting was at its 130 year low.
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Australia in 80s had only AB. This Aussies side had Pat Cummins, Josh Hazelwood, Nathan Lyon and Mitchell Starc.
This.
But no since England used to beat them in '80s, Australia must be great back then.
How could you say, most difficult subjects were removed from India's exam paper? Do you think handling Australian pace battery + Lyon (they were at their full strength, mind you) was that easy? How many teams have played them well in their own den?
Comment all you like, but at least be factually correct.
That dominance might have come from us being way better than the opposition 9/10 times, unlike you guys in UAE, no?
You did win in UAE, even blanked Eng sometime during that period which we failed to do, in fact we lost to them at home. But apart from that we were way better than our opposition at home, something which reflected in our respective results.
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Genuine question - why do you do this to yourself?
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So the wafer-thin, mediocre also-rans are 332/4 after 90 overs against a bowling attack comprising of Starc with brains and the reincarnation of the second best fast bowler who ever lived, currently averaging 55 with the Starc with brains averaging 52.
Meanwhile, a batsman with a FC average of 30 is batting on 171* at a SR of 63.5, and he is doing it against Starc with brains and the reincarnation of the second best fast bowler who ever lived.
Let’s hope tomorrow is another “neck to neck” day between these two evenly matched sides.......
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This time we had Misbah and Azhar at the helm. Even ATG Pakistani sides would have struggled to compete with such incompetent leadership.
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I see.
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So another neck to neck day.....
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mamoon is mostly right about pakistan. Pakistan at the moment as just not good enough. Objectively speaking, I feel sorry for England if this test gets washed out.
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England are leagues above us and they have some young players in there team. Imagine when they are developed how far ahead they will be.
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They aren’t batsmen. The side India beat was the worst Australian batting side in history.
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and they had possibly one of their best bowling attack of all time. India dint have their best batsmen either. They played with Rahul and dhawan who flopped in tests.
Australian batsmen who played in that series would have still ripped apart England in their home turf. That team beats any team in australia. All the players who played in that series have high averages in Australian conditions. No excuses.
India yet to lose When they win the toss.
Rich man's Mitchell Starc and "reincarnation of Trueman" get smacked by the "worst english batting line-up ever" while anderson get's 4 wickets on the same pitch. Let's not forget that the batting lineups are also equally matched apparently...So I guess Anderson is kind of like Malcolm Marshall? Not sure hope [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] can confirm with us
Yes the batting is evenly matched but england lower order is way ahead of Pakistan's
If pakistan won the first match then would you stil say thier leagues above ?
In english conditions I would disagree. In general, that could possibly be true but we have to see how they do when they tour.
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They are a better team than Pakistan. That's why they won thay match and will win the series.
