50-over Asia Cup to be held in UAE, Emerging Cup to be co-hosted by Pakistan & Sri Lanka [Post #33]

[Rishikesh]

Asia Cup 2018 moved from India to UAE on Pakistan's request

The Asian Cricket Council (ACC) on Tuesday accepted Pakistan's reservations against playing in India and decided to move the Asia Cup 2018 to United Arab Emirates.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.dawn.com/news/amp/1400762

Which one is right

 

[Kaptan]

It's actually good for India. BCCI will host Asia cup in UAE so, will get 100 of revenue.
Pakistan will have to share emerging cup with Srilanka, so it will get 50% revenue (but PCB hosting a tournament in Pak will show that Pak is safe, other teams might agree to play in Pak in future)
It's a win win for both.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

As someone living in the UAE myself, it will be interesting to see the turnout for Team India's return to the Gulf. Always had a massive Indian population. UAE has had the IPL in the past, but the national team is a different matter altogether.

 

[Darkrai]

Looking forward to this tournament. This time around we will have a decent squad unlike in 2016. Should be fun.

 

[Rishikesh]

Did you miss the part where GOI refused to give permission to Pak players to come to India or Did you miss the invite the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi sent to Bcci.

Presence of Pakistan prompts Asia Cup shift from India to UAE

The Asian Cricket Council (ACC) on Tuesday shifted the 50-over Asia Cup from India to United Arab Emirates as the BCCI could not procure permission from the Central government to host Pakistan.

The tournament will now be held from September 13-28 in Dubai and Abu Dhabi after all the member nations of ACC agreed unanimously for the change during a meeting at its Kuala Lumpur headquarters.

The BCCI was represented by its CEO Rahul Johri, who placed the request during the meeting chaired by PCB chairman Najam Sethi.

“Johri apprised the ACC board of the current situation. The BCCI has got a clearance that they can play Pakistan at a neutral venue. While it is a given for ICC tournaments, Asia Cup being an ACC tournament needed a government approval. Once the approval to allow Indian team play Pakistan at a neutral venue was agreed upon, the board’s request was placed,” a senior BCCI official told PTI on the condition of anonymity.

He agreed that in the current scenario, chances of hosting Pakistan was next to nil.

“Since this is not World Cup, Champions Trophy or World T20, it was a foregone conclusion that the government would not approve BCCI hosting Pakistan in prevailing circumstances. The public sentiment needs to be respected,” the official said.

The Indian team is expected to play its matches in the second week of the tournament as they would have just completed their tour of England.

“UAE will be facilitating the organization but all the other modalities remain same. Star Sports will be broadcasting the tournament and the gate money (collection from tickets and in stadia) will be BCCI’s. Obviously BCCI will be paying the Emirates Cricket Board a facilitation fee,” the official further informed.

The reason for zeroing in on UAE is purely logistical.

“India wouldn’t have played in Pakistan. But UAE is one place where there is a sizeable population of India, Pakistan and even Afghanistan. Even non-India matches is expected to attract a lot of crowd. If you see, 1 dirham is nearly Rs 18 (INR 17.69 as of today). Had the tournament been in held in India, matches like Afghanistan vs Sri Lanka wouldn’t have attracted much crowd,” the official added.

The Asia Cup is a biennial event which is now held in both ODI and T20 formats.

In 2016, it was held in the T20 format as the teams wanted to prepare for the World T20, which was scheduled just after the event. This time it will be a 50-over event as teams are now gearing up for next year’s ODI World Cup in England.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.th...ft-from-india-to-uae/article23495507.ece/amp/

Asia Cup 2018 moved from India to UAE on Pakistan's request

The Asian Cricket Council (ACC) on Tuesday accepted Pakistan's reservations against playing in India and decided to move the Asia Cup 2018 to United Arab Emirates.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.dawn.com/news/amp/1400762

Which one is right

The ACC chief spoke to Sportstar, minutes after the council’s meeting on Tuesday, to explain why the change in venue was necessary.
What forced the Asian Cricket Council to shift the Asia Cup from India to the UAE?

No Asian tournament is complete without the participation of India and Pakistan.

So, is India-Pakistan tension the only reason behind the decision?

Under the prevailing circumstances, the ACC considered this to be the best third country option.

http://www.sportstarlive.com/cricke...-asian-cluster-in-the-uae/article23494654.ece

Conflicting reports, they could have handled this in a professional manner.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Very good. All the Asian countries will play in UAE for Asia cup (though not the best place for cricket) and ind & bd will play in SL and other countries will play in Pak in Emerging Cup.

 

[LongHorn]

Unlike Pakistani expats in the UAE, Indian and Bangladeshi expats here have rarely been lucky to see their national team in action.

One point is the ticket allocation. Will India get a disproportionate number of tickets allocated as proxy hosts ?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ACC chief spoke to Sportstar, minutes after the council’s meeting on Tuesday, to explain why the change in venue was necessary.
What forced the Asian Cricket Council to shift the Asia Cup from India to the UAE?

No Asian tournament is complete without the participation of India and Pakistan.

So, is India-Pakistan tension the only reason behind the decision?

Under the prevailing circumstances, the ACC considered this to be the best third country option.

http://www.sportstarlive.com/cricke...-asian-cluster-in-the-uae/article23494654.ece

Conflicting reports, they could have handled this in a professional manner.

Najam Sethi again trying to claim some kind of victory. The GOI had on monday told the bcci in writing that Pakistan team wont be allowed in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The ACC chief spoke to Sportstar, minutes after the council’s meeting on Tuesday, to explain why the change in venue was necessary.
What forced the Asian Cricket Council to shift the Asia Cup from India to the UAE?

No Asian tournament is complete without the participation of India and Pakistan.

So, is India-Pakistan tension the only reason behind the decision?

Under the prevailing circumstances, the ACC considered this to be the best third country option.

http://www.sportstarlive.com/cricke...-asian-cluster-in-the-uae/article23494654.ece

Conflicting reports, they could have handled this in a professional manner.

" The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) was keen to host the Asia Cup between September 13 and 28 but the Indian government has put a spanner in the board's plan. The government has categorically told the BCCI in writing on Monday that the Asia Cup could be held in a neutral venue but not in the country."


https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/c...-a-neutral-venue/amp_articleshow/63700890.cms

 

[MenInG]

I am not sure why people are arguing over this - surely India and Pak playing is a good thing?

 

[Shutdown Corner]

What is the format? 2 groups of 3 teams with Super 4 stage or a single round robin league?

 

[C.E.S]

Sethi got the visa after Icc and bcci both got involved. Even that was in jeopardy.

Even pilgrims are not being given visas anymore. Not even junior hockey or Kabbadi teams of Pakistan got visas.

The govt of India is making it clear that Pakistanis are not welcome.

So BCCI can influence the Indian Government when required, completely contradicting their age-old excuse of "not being granted permission by GOI."

As for Pakistanis not being welcome in India, the Asia Cup has been moved to the UAE because we don't want to go to India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So BCCI can influence the Indian Government when required, completely contradicting their age-old excuse of "not being granted permission by GOI."

As for Pakistanis not being welcome in India, the Asia Cup has been moved to the UAE because we don't want to go to India.

Getting a visa for someone is not equal to getting permission to play a bilateral series.

Asia Cup was moved because Indian govt didnt get permission to host Pakistan. Else bcci had hosted Asia cup without Pakistan in 1990 when bcci hardly had much power and other asian teams were minnows. Compare that to now, bcci is the power in cricket and SL BD and Afg are test nations.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Getting a visa for someone is not equal to getting permission to play a bilateral series.

Asia Cup was moved because Indian govt didnt get permission to host Pakistan. Else bcci had hosted Asia cup without Pakistan in 1990 when bcci hardly had much power and other asian teams were minnows. Compare that to now, bcci is the power in cricket and SL BD and Afg are test nations.

So now Indian Government didn't get permission to host Pakistan? Who controls the Indian government then? Hmmmm.

Folks, the fact of the matter is simple, Sethi has more clout than BCCI. He raised his concerned, Pakistani players are not safe in India, and BCCI moved the tournament to a venue that was once on a banned list for corruption.

If there ever was a moment to epitomise the phrase - hitting 2 birds with one stone - this is it!

 

[cricketjoshila]

So now Indian Government didn't get permission to host Pakistan? Who controls the Indian government then? Hmmmm.

Folks, the fact of the matter is simple, Sethi has more clout than BCCI. He raised his concerned, Pakistani players are not safe in India, and BCCI moved the tournament to a venue that was once on a banned list for corruption.

If there ever was a moment to epitomise the phrase - hitting 2 birds with one stone - this is it!

Read the posts. Indian govt didnot allow bcci to host Pakistani team.

You still sad that UAE's Deputy head of state didnot deem PCB fit enough for a personal invite?

 

[the Great Khan]

The notion was BCCI would be able to shift Emerging Cup from Pakistan completely, a small victory for Sethi but co-hosting means 40-50% of group matches discarding the indian matches. Few matches in Pakistan won't be good.

why wont it be good? any matches in Pakistan are a good thing considering the Indian govts position to try and isolate and destroy our cricket.

 

[UN talkz]

One thing is good that it's 50 over tournament unlike the mickey mouse tournament in 2016.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

How can you possibly ignore the concerns of a champions trophy holder. We are like the Brazil of cricket not some minnow. Sethi finally allows us to deliver our message in a coherent professional manner unlike the buffons before him.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Read the posts. Indian govt didnot allow bcci to host Pakistani team.

You still sad that UAE's Deputy head of state didnot deem PCB fit enough for a personal invite?

Here's what you posted in post #93. You should read the tripe you post.

Asia Cup was moved because Indian govt didnt get permission to host Pakistan.

Why would I be sad? PCB were not organising Asia Cup 2018, so why would PCB get the personal invite to host the ASIA CUP in the UAE? Enlighten us? PCB protested and BCCI fell on their knees.

You are just upset that BCCI/GOI got busted by Sethi.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Here's what you posted in post #93. You should read the tripe you post.



Why would I be sad? PCB were not organising Asia Cup 2018, so why would PCB get the personal invite to host the ASIA CUP in the UAE? Enlighten us? PCB protested and BCCI fell on their knees.

You are just upset that BCCI/GOI got busted by Sethi.

If only Sethi had that clout he would get bcci to play a bilateral series.

Here is my post. Read carefully

"

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) was keen to host the Asia Cup between September 13 and 28 but the Indian government has put a spanner in the board's plan. The government has categorically told the BCCI in writing on Monday that the Asia Cup could be held in a neutral venue but not in the country.


It is also given to understand that the government has no problems if the Indian team plays Pakistan in away from home ICC events and quadrilateral events. But the Indian government isn't ready to welcome the Pakistan cricket team on Indian soil.

"


https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/cr...w/63700890.cms

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If only pcb protests or beggings had any affect on bcci. Poor pcb.

 

[R3verse Swing]

If only Sethi had that clout he would get bcci to play a bilateral series.

Here is my post. Read carefully

No you read your post #93 carefully.

So at least you now admit Sethi has more clout than BCCI, thus you have shifted your weak point towards a bilateral series.

Let me tell you how much clout Sethi has, he got BCCI to play a tournament at a venue once banned by BCCI/GOI. BCCI is a weak board, doesn't have the bottle to even reject playing Pakistan at all levels. Not only did BCCI try to prevent Pakistan from playing in India for the Asia Cup, bachare moved the tournament for the sake of Pakistan to the temporary home of Pakistan cricket!

Let this sink in.

 

[Ahson8]

I know defeat tastes bitter but its okay to accept it sometimes [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

 

[cricketjoshila]

I know defeat tastes bitter but its okay to accept it sometimes [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

Defeat? What defeat?

 

[Ahson8]

Defeat? What defeat?

BCCI wanted Asia Cup in India, but they couldn't get their way.
PCB still get to host the Emerging Cup as per their wishes.

But stay in denial if that helps

 

[MMHS]

We need to shift the focus towards cricket now - shall we?

Selection of venue is done and dusted, now it’s about cricket. 3 of the 4 semi finalist of last CT (& the WC in Asia) will be there and this is going to be hell of a tournament- kante ki mukabila. If the wickets are good, this tournament will be as competitive and entertaining as the CT.

I think, instead of killing the tournament, ACC has come to best possible solution and I won’t be surprised to discover that Crown Prince was instigated to enter and offer an acceptable point for everyone; otherwise the only outcome was to defer both tournaments.

I hope possible best XV is available for every team and 8 months before WC, wickets & outfield of UAE doesn’t disgust us.

 

[Ahson8]

We need to shift the focus towards cricket now - shall we?

Selection of venue is done and dusted, now it’s about cricket. 3 of the 4 semi finalist of last CT (& the WC in Asia) will be there and this is going to be hell of a tournament- kante ki mukabila. If the wickets are good, this tournament will be as competitive and entertaining as the CT.

I think, instead of killing the tournament, ACC has come to best possible solution and I won’t be surprised to discover that Crown Prince was instigated to enter and offer an acceptable point for everyone; otherwise the only outcome was to defer both tournaments.

I hope possible best XV is available for every team and 8 months before WC, wickets & outfield of UAE doesn’t disgust us.

I heard it will be format like 2008 Asia Cup

Group A - India, Pakistan, Qualifier
Group B - Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan

Super 4 - Top 2 teams from each Group
& then Final - Top 2 teams from Super Four

 

[babajee]

Malik might be very important for Pakistan’s Asia Cup campaign

 

[USHK]

Albeit, very small victory but biggest loss for BCCI. It is not small loss that stings BCCI but among the first loss can be become habitual. Good job, PCB, showing BCCI as it is.

 

[USHK]

BCCI wanted Asia Cup in India, but they couldn't get their way.
PCB still get to host the Emerging Cup as per their wishes.

But stay in denial if that helps

They have been in denial the moment CPEC has started off well, PSL to gain momentum, and biggest upset in Champion Trophy final worldwide. Today’s reaction? Very cloudy salty rain as expected. # bitter cry.

 

[MMHS]

I heard it will be format like 2008 Asia Cup

Group A - India, Pakistan, Qualifier
Group B - Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan

Super 4 - Top 2 teams from each Group
& then Final - Top 2 teams from Super Four

Great grouping - that ensures 2, or may be 3 IND-PAK clash. Also, every game in Group B should be tight.

 

[Ahson8]

Great grouping - that ensures 2, or may be 3 IND-PAK clash. Also, every game in Group B should be tight.

Yeah Group B is interesting, I feel Afghans could pull off an upset, especially against Sri Lanka

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Can we just stop with the arguing for god's sake? Too much negativity because of this meaningless pak-india bashing. Juse be happy that we will get to see more Pak-India matches.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan v India at Sharjah please!

 

[Madplayer]

You do not say no to the Deputy Head of State. Its his responsibility now to see that no one bothers team india.

So Indian cannot say no to anything if a deputy head of state orders them. Very strong principles India has. Good to know.

 

[Rishikesh]

Najam Sethi again trying to claim some kind of victory. The GOI had on monday told the bcci in writing that Pakistan team wont be allowed in India.

" The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) was keen to host the Asia Cup between September 13 and 28 but the Indian government has put a spanner in the board's plan. The government has categorically told the BCCI in writing on Monday that the Asia Cup could be held in a neutral venue but not in the country."


https://m.timesofindia.com/sports/c...-a-neutral-venue/amp_articleshow/63700890.cms

Dawn which actually has an agreement with TOI to share news ignored this and reported Sethi's version. Sethi in his first interview was with sportsstar in which he didn't gave any direct answers but replied in a professional manner.

 

[RainMan_]

People aren't realising the gravity of the situation. Pcb has finally managed to prove the fact in from of the whole world that India is indeed unsafe for Pakistan to play there.

Therefore, there is a strong possibility that India will lose the hosting right of all the upcoming icc tournament matches involving Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI wanted Asia Cup in India, but they couldn't get their way.
PCB still get to host the Emerging Cup as per their wishes.

But stay in denial if that helps

1. Govt of India doesnot want Pakistani team in India.

2. They will only host a part of the tournament India wont be travelling there.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dawn which actually has an agreement with TOI to share news ignored this and reported Sethi's version. Sethi in his first interview was with sportsstar in which he didn't gave any direct answers but replied in a professional manner.

Sethi will give his version. He also claimed India will play series with Pakistan amd all players playing psl will visit Pakistan. Didnot happen.

 

[cricketjoshila]

People aren't realising the gravity of the situation. Pcb has finally managed to prove the fact in from of the whole world that India is indeed unsafe for Pakistan to play there.

Therefore, there is a strong possibility that India will lose the hosting right of all the upcoming icc tournament matches involving Pakistan.

How is Indian govt not giving permission to Pakistanis to visit a proof of PCB doing anything?

Did SL lose hosting rights to 1996 WC when WI and Aus refused to go there?

Did Zim lose hosting rights of 2003 WC?

ICC tournaments will be hosted by India, with or without Pakistan.

 

[rhony]

I heard it will be format like 2008 Asia Cup

Group A - India, Pakistan, Qualifier
Group B - Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan

Super 4 - Top 2 teams from each Group
& then Final - Top 2 teams from Super Four

Typically groups are formed based on rankings. No. 1, No.2 in Asia will be in separate groups. Then the subsequent ranked teams will go into these groups staring with group 1.

Group 1: Ind, BD, afg
Group 2: Pak, SL, qualifier

 

[R3verse Swing]

People aren't realising the gravity of the situation. Pcb has finally managed to prove the fact in from of the whole world that India is indeed unsafe for Pakistan to play there.

Therefore, there is a strong possibility that India will lose the hosting right of all the upcoming icc tournament matches involving Pakistan.

100% Spot on.

The deeper dive message here is that India, governed by right-wing nationalism, is not safe for Pakistani players. Too many threats from RSS and Shiv Sena likes. So if BCCI are dying for a match with Pakistan, then play else where, and Sethi pulled a rabbit out of a hat. Plus ICC are looking to shift the next CT from India anyway.

Yesterday pictures of 100s of mobs trying to gatecrash an IPL match should serve as a reminder for those who believe India is 100% safe. So much so next year's IPL will shift to another international venue due to safety concerns during elections.

Sehti has single-handedly forced BCCI to play in UAE, and get this, he probably got the prince to send a letter to the BCCI! BCCI fell for it, made them feel special, and are now playing at a venue which according to them was on a ban list. Sethi knows which strings to pull and which buttons to press.

Sethi is a genius.

 

[shortbread]

I am not sure why people are arguing over this - surely India and Pak playing is a good thing?

If all the posters did use such logic, the forum would be a dead place!

These are far more interesting theories, Arab sheikhs begging Modi for cricket, PCB scaring BCCI, some random people making billions....

 

[MMHS]

Typically groups are formed based on rankings. No. 1, No.2 in Asia will be in separate groups. Then the subsequent ranked teams will go into these groups staring with group 1.

Group 1: Ind, BD, afg
Group 2: Pak, SL, qualifier

They'll put IND-PAK in same group for sure.

What's ranking? If required, they'll create a separate ranking based on Asia Cup and put IND-SRL as Group toppers.

 

[rhony]

They'll put IND-PAK in same group for sure.

What's ranking? If required, they'll create a separate ranking based on Asia Cup and put IND-SRL as Group toppers.

ICC rankings. But yeah, Ind, Pak in one group and BD, SL in another would be more exciting

 

[Usman Chadda]

I am not sure why people are arguing over this - surely India and Pak playing is a good thing?

Don't really care tbh. I'm more interested to see Pakistan play Australia, England and South Africa. India-Pakistan is always about bragging rights and should be a rare event to ramp up the hype.

 

[emm-tee]

How is Indian govt not giving permission to Pakistanis to visit a proof of PCB doing anything?

Did SL lose hosting rights to 1996 WC when WI and Aus refused to go there?

Did Zim lose hosting rights of 2003 WC?

ICC tournaments will be hosted by India, with or without Pakistan.

Which ICC event took place without Pakistan in the history of the game? Please name one, I'll wait.

 

[emm-tee]

How is Indian govt not giving permission to Pakistanis to visit a proof of PCB doing anything?

Did SL lose hosting rights to 1996 WC when WI and Aus refused to go there?

Did Zim lose hosting rights of 2003 WC?

ICC tournaments will be hosted by India, with or without Pakistan.

Remember the Aane do series? What happened last time we visited?

 

[squarecut]

People aren't realising the gravity of the situation. Pcb has finally managed to prove the fact in from of the whole world that India is indeed unsafe for Pakistan to play there.

Therefore, there is a strong possibility that India will lose the hosting right of all the upcoming icc tournament matches involving Pakistan.

Aapke munh mein ghee shakkar. Indeed India is unsafe for Pakistanis. The sooner PCB realises it the better. Let us hope PCB stops getting obsessed about playing with BCCI and concentrates on playing with safer teams like Zimbabwe.

 

[RainMan_]

Aapke munh mein ghee shakkar. Indeed India is unsafe for Pakistanis. The sooner PCB realises it the better. Let us hope PCB stops getting obsessed about playing with BCCI and concentrates on playing with safer teams like Zimbabwe.

Thank god that someone at last has realised the point I was trying to make.

Point is, I m not the citizen of either of these countries, so I can see things from a neutral's perspective. As a neutral I can safely say that BCCI has lost a major battle here. It got played by cunning sethi who has skillfully managed to portray India as an unsafe place for Pakistan to make a visit.

India's reputation in world cricket has just got tarnished.

 

[USofA]

Thank god that someone at last has realised the point I was trying to make.

Point is, I m not the citizen of either of these countries, so I can see things from a neutral's perspective. As a neutral I can safely say that BCCI has lost a major battle here. It got played by cunning sethi who has skillfully managed to portray India as an unsafe place for Pakistan to make a visit.

India's reputation in world cricket has just got tarnished.

I understand the point you are making. But the key question is, will this make a difference on other teams touring India? Are teams going start requesting a venue change? If not, then this whole incident does not make a difference.

Pakistan player safety issue in India is/was a known issue. Nothing new. I am sure even the BCCI would be happy about this as it would have been a big headache for them in terms of security provision.

Just like you, I am not a citizen of either country and am coming from a neutral perspective. I personally do not think that this has changed the views of anyone. I believe that teams will continue to tour India without any fear.