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Simple question.

Pakistan changed their opening pair completely for the first time in 3 years I believe, and we achieved 66-1 in 6 overs! A run rate of 11.

Regardless of what there is to follow, would you rather be in a position where the openers have gone at close to 200 strike rate and got you this start or the openers to score at 120-130 and potentially get you to 100-1 in 14 overs?

Discuss!
 
66/1 but would you like to be 120 for 8 in next few overs?

The game does not end at the 6 over mark.
 
It depends, whether we are chasing or setting a score. Who we have to come in next etc.
 
I think we are carried away . It was a warmup and two of the England bowlers are just returning from
Injury who bowled in the power play .

But yes breaking the opening partnership with babar and 3 will still be the best option .

Fakhar
Rizwan
Babar.
 
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Good power play score and babar/Rizwan can still come at 3 and steady the ship if wickets are falling.
 
This is not a 6 over game its a 20 over game. Don't look for pockets to prove your point look at the length of the full game to understand the issue.
 
MenInG said:
66/1 but would you like to be 120 for 8 in next few overs?

The game does not end at the 6 over mark.
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Thats the problem of the middle order, just like they changed the openers, they need to change the middle order especially kick those friends "KIA" out and play batsmen instead.
 
Imad, Malik, Agha Salman, Kamran ghulam, are sitting at home watching Happy heart , Asif Ali and Chacha dismissals and must be rofling :qdkcheeky
 
Rana said:
Simple question.

Pakistan changed their opening pair completely for the first time in 3 years I believe, and we achieved 66-1 in 6 overs! A run rate of 11.

Regardless of what there is to follow, would you rather be in a position where the openers have gone at close to 200 strike rate and got you this start or the openers to score at 120-130 and potentially get you to 100-1 in 14 overs?

Discuss!
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“Regardless of what there is to follow“ I rather be 40-0 if there is 9 Shaheen Afridis to follow.
 
Ben Stokes doesn't always bowl an over inside the powerplay. He bowled twelve freebies Today.
 
You've gotta look at the whole context here.

Pakistan scored 66/1 in PP in a WARMUP match and Eng were clearly playing it that way.

The likes of Stokes, Jordan won't be bowling in PP in actual games.....it would be Topley, Woakes, Wood, Curran.

And when Wood came to bowl in PP today, he conceded only 4 runs....so nothing changed today.

Anyways, if your middle-order is batting like this....PP score doesn't really mean much, you might well be 40/0, 60/1 or 80/2, but ultimately the final score will still end up being short.
 
If only games were won based of PP scores. 66-1 means nothing if you end up with just a score of 160 that too because of a late order cameo. Once again middle order SR of around 100 will only take you so far.
 
Gayle_Force said:
If only games were won based of PP scores. 66-1 means nothing if you end up with just a score of 160 that too because of a late order cameo. Once again middle order SR of around 100 will only take you so far.
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sorry bro middle order has no responsibility at all babar and rizwan must play hard in the powerplay and also play hard in the death

we can't put so much pressure on the precious superstars in the middle order
 
Shan & Haider will not in a million years give you 60 runs in 6 overs against a front line bowling attack in an international game.
 
Pakistan's powerplay score was 66-1 and Pakistan ended up with 160-8 in 19 overs.

Englands's powerplay score was 51-2 and they chased Pakistan's total in 14.4 overs.

The likes of Rana will never understand the fact that our middle order is trash. Today's pitch was so good that someone like Shan Masood was batting at an SR of almost 200. Our middle-order scored at an SR of 116 on this belter of a pitch. For comparison, England's middle order scored at an SR of 196 on this pitch.

Open your eyes and stop wasting people's time Rana.
 
If you’re 40-0 160 is the most your likely to get anyway by being 66-1 there’s still a chance of 190 200 you’d rather lose by playing to win than playing just to be safe and cut down the margin of defeat.

Not sure there is any way to justify playing slow are they expecting a 20 ball 50 from someone in the last 5 overs to make up for the slow start.
 
Hextro said:
Pakistan's powerplay score was 66-1 and Pakistan ended up with 160-8 in 19 overs.

Englands's powerplay score was 51-2 and they chased Pakistan's total in 14.4 overs.

The likes of Rana will never understand the fact that our middle order is trash. Today's pitch was so good that someone like Shan Masood was batting at an SR of almost 200. Our middle-order scored at an SR of 116 on this belter of a pitch. For comparison, England's middle order scored at an SR of 196 on this pitch.

Open your eyes and stop wasting people's time Rana.
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This is the point. Shan is of the same mould that Babar and Rizwan are only difference that Babar / Rizwan are more established batsmen compared to Shan. Hence if Babar and Rizwan were around today they would have batted at the same SR as Shaan but would have batted for longer and hence taken our total close to 200.

The issue / concern is simple that our middle order is pathetic. Most of the games have been won by Babar + Rizwan in recent year or two if these both fail and we still manage wins then its the likes of Nawaz or Shadab stepping up. The middle order of Haider, Khushdil, Ifti or Asif Ali have not won us a game in recent year or two which is shameful to say the least.
 
66/1 definitely.

40/0 can work against weak teams but top teams may make you pay for that slowness.
 
Hextro said:
Pakistan's powerplay score was 66-1 and Pakistan ended up with 160-8 in 19 overs.

Englands's powerplay score was 51-2 and they chased Pakistan's total in 14.4 overs.

The likes of Rana will never understand the fact that our middle order is trash. Today's pitch was so good that someone like Shan Masood was batting at an SR of almost 200. Our middle-order scored at an SR of 116 on this belter of a pitch. For comparison, England's middle order scored at an SR of 196 on this pitch.

Open your eyes and stop wasting people's time Rana.
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Even a middle order of Fakhar Sharjeel and Umar Akmal maybe Imad aswell is much better than the players selected who do the opposite of power hitting.
 
Hextro said:
Pakistan's powerplay score was 66-1 and Pakistan ended up with 160-8 in 19 overs.

Englands's powerplay score was 51-2 and they chased Pakistan's total in 14.4 overs.

The likes of Rana will never understand the fact that our middle order is trash. Today's pitch was so good that someone like Shan Masood was batting at an SR of almost 200. Our middle-order scored at an SR of 116 on this belter of a pitch. For comparison, England's middle order scored at an SR of 196 on this pitch.

Open your eyes and stop wasting people's time Rana.
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This is the point. Shan is of the same mould that Babar and Rizwan are only difference that Babar / Rizwan are more established batsmen compared to Shan. Hence if Babar and Rizwan were around today they would have batted at the same SR as Shaan but would have batted for longer and hence taken our total close to 200.

The issue / concern is simple that our middle order is pathetic. Most of the games have been won by Babar + Rizwan in recent year or two if these both fail and we still manage wins then its the likes of Nawaz or Shadab stepping up. The middle order of Haider, Khushdil, Ifti or Asif Ali have not won us a game in recent year or two which is shameful to say the least.
 
Extra_Cover said:
This is the point. Shan is of the same mould that Babar and Rizwan are only difference that Babar / Rizwan are more established batsmen compared to Shan. Hence if Babar and Rizwan were around today they would have batted at the same SR as Shaan but would have batted for longer and hence taken our total close to 200.

The issue / concern is simple that our middle order is pathetic. Most of the games have been won by Babar + Rizwan in recent year or two if these both fail and we still manage wins then its the likes of Nawaz or Shadab stepping up. The middle order of Haider, Khushdil, Ifti or Asif Ali have not won us a game in recent year or two which is shameful to say the least.
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Which games exactly the only big match in the last year was won by Nawaz and Haider against New Zealand was there any knockout or series decider Babar and Rizwan made a match winning contribution in.
 
Cric1234 said:
If you’re 40-0 160 is the most your likely to get anyway by being 66-1 there’s still a chance of 190 200 you’d rather lose by playing to win than playing just to be safe and cut down the margin of defeat.

Not sure there is any way to justify playing slow are they expecting a 20 ball 50 from someone in the last 5 overs to make up for the slow start.
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At the moment reality is that there is a greater chance you will get a cameo from one of the lower order batsmen than our middle order playing positively for 13-14 overs. 20 extra runs in PP mean nothing if you are not able to translate it to big scores. An approach that leads to 66-1 will also often result in team being 30-2, does Pakistan currently have batting to carry on from that position? That is the big question.

Pakistan should play fast in the power play but until the middle order steps up. It will be the same results over and over.
 
The question you wanted to ask, but couldn't due to peer pressure and societal adversities, was 66/4 vs 40/0.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Should kick them out along with their friends to teach them a lesson..
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Yes, should kick them out and keep playing Khushdil, Iftikhar and Asif so that people with mediocre mindsets like you can fuel their agendas.

We were 30-40 runs short today, Babar and Rizwan don’t just play in the powerplay and throw their wickets away later, they hold your innings together. They are the only two batsmen in your batting line-up, the rest are jokers trying to hold a bat. The sooner our ‘fans’ realize, the better it will be for them to cope with such terrible defeats.
 
Obviously 66-1 is better but it's ludicrous to be deceived by today's performance in a warm-up game.
 
Hextro said:
Pakistan's powerplay score was 66-1 and Pakistan ended up with 160-8 in 19 overs.

Englands's powerplay score was 51-2 and they chased Pakistan's total in 14.4 overs.

The likes of Rana will never understand the fact that our middle order is trash. Today's pitch was so good that someone like Shan Masood was batting at an SR of almost 200. Our middle-order scored at an SR of 116 on this belter of a pitch. For comparison, England's middle order scored at an SR of 196 on this pitch.

Open your eyes and stop wasting people's time Rana.
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Best comment in the thread
 
Hextro said:
Pakistan's powerplay score was 66-1 and Pakistan ended up with 160-8 in 19 overs.

Englands's powerplay score was 51-2 and they chased Pakistan's total in 14.4 overs.

The likes of Rana will never understand the fact that our middle order is trash. Today's pitch was so good that someone like Shan Masood was batting at an SR of almost 200. Our middle-order scored at an SR of 116 on this belter of a pitch. For comparison, England's middle order scored at an SR of 196 on this pitch.

Open your eyes and stop wasting people's time Rana.
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But isn’t [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] theory sound?

The powerplay is regarded as the easier period to bat in and opposed to conserving wickets one must take advantage of the outfield.

If one of Babar or Ris drop from their usual position, they would be replaced with someone potentially a leftie to disturb bowlers at the top and also one who’d show more intent.

As the middle order is so weak, Babar or Ris would be strengthening it.

Today Shan Masood of all players was dynamic at the top, if he or Fakhar are selected they must ideally open and allow either Babar of Ris to support the middle order.

We have a need in the middle order and not the top, even Misbah realised this in his days despite his critics
 
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shaz619 said:
But isn’t [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] theory sound?

The powerplay is regarded as the easier period to bat in and opposed to conserving wickets one must take advantage of the outfield.

If one of Babar or Ris drop from their usual position, they would be replaced with someone potentially a leftie to disturb bowlers at the top and also one who’d show more intent.

As the middle order is so weak, Babar or Ris would be strengthening it.

Today Shan Masood of all players was dynamic at the top, if he or Fakhar are selected they must ideally open and allow either Babar of Ris to support the middle order.

We have a need in the middle order and not the top, even Misbah realised this in his days despite his critics
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Dude it’s not even a theory

It’s a simple question. How do you suddenly smash 66-1 in 6 overs when you remove your two openers striking overall at below 130 in their careers?
 
Rana said:
Dude it’s not even a theory

It’s a simple question. How do you suddenly smash 66-1 in 6 overs when you remove your two openers striking overall at below 130 in their careers?
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Left/right combo and intent would be a major driver I’d say
 
66/1 any day of the week.

It's brainless how TM can't realize that we are wasting PP by cautious starts when same two players B&R can easily do the anchor job at one down. At least bring one explosive batsman at the top with the license to hit.

Babar or Rizwan would be equally effective at one down with their cautious batting style
 
Once in a blue moon sort of powerplay for Pakistan.

It isn’t as if Shan has a SR of 150 in his career while opening. It was more of a fluke innings from him.

I would definitely take 66/1 if it happens 6-7 times out of 10. Unfortunately with Shan & Haider as openers, I doubt that it would happen more than one or two times in real matches.

Even after getting such a wonderful start , our middle order wasn’t able to score 10 RPO in middle overs. They were going at around run a ball. So this is where the main issue lies. Even if rizwan and babar drop down to middle order, they are not good enough to solve our middle overs issues. We need someone like David Miller, Tim David or Harry Brook in our middle order.
 
Rana said:
Dude it’s not even a theory

It’s a simple question. How do you suddenly smash 66-1 in 6 overs when you remove your two openers striking overall at below 130 in their careers?
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Simple Answer, Because Stokes and Jordan bowled who are Rusty. Unfortunately Your country only has two Decent Batters Babar and Rizwan and all other are just not good enough to be Selected for Indian Ranji Teams.And you want the the only Decent guys to play at other Batting positions because of other batters inability of skills.It's the truth.There are no players Capable of handling Decent Bowling apart from Babar and Rizwan.Babar and Rizwan are Decent batsmen but are limited as they are not powerful as other team top order batters. But again Only Rizwan and Babar are okayish and Best of your country.All other batters are just useless and their to fill the playing eleven.
 
Rana said:
Simple question.

Pakistan changed their opening pair completely for the first time in 3 years I believe, and we achieved 66-1 in 6 overs! A run rate of 11.

Regardless of what there is to follow, would you rather be in a position where the openers have gone at close to 200 strike rate and got you this start or the openers to score at 120-130 and potentially get you to 100-1 in 14 overs?

Discuss!
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This is what I don't understand.. how many times teams able to do that? May be 2 out of ten.. and if you're targetting RizBab well they do score more than 40 in pp most of time..
 
All it needs is to split Babar and Rizwan. Today also, only one ( Shan ) was the main aggressor. Rizwan could open with Fakhar with Babar coming after them. Babar can easily find gaps and tick the scoreboard along. Rizwan is a limited batter and cannot do that compared to Babar.
 
Currently, No one in your Country has the ability to Score 60 runs in 6 overs in 3 games out of 10 against Top 8 teams. Bitter Truth..You guys have only two Decent Batsmen Rizwan and Baber even they are very limited.Beggars can't be choosers.😆😆.Babar and Rizwan are the best you have got and the cupboard is bare unfortunately.
 
The argument here looks like late-order assault and power play assault can't co-exist. That is not the case On certain pitches Top order, and middle order everyone should keep attacking. On certain pitches, you have to be wary of pitch conditions. This is primarily determined by the top order. How the pitch behaves. If it is flat you have to step up a notch.
 
England PP Score 2022
26-4
40-2
54-2
45-1
56-2
66-2
32-3
36-3
52-1
48-2
53-2
39-2
48-2
57-1
50-3
42-3
82-1
57-2
58-0
41-2
47-1


So even England performance is not good enough as per OP.
 
CommonIndian said:
Currently, No one in your Country has the ability to Score 60 runs in 6 overs in 3 games out of 10 against Top 8 teams. Bitter Truth..You guys have only two Decent Batsmen Rizwan and Baber even they are very limited.Beggars can't be choosers.����.Babar and Rizwan are the best you have got and the cupboard is bare unfortunately.
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Fakhar? Nawaz?

They are pretty good.
 
Delusions galore in this thread. No regard for the ground reality that this is a warm up game, non regulars bowled in the powerplay, Haider didn't even score freely and Shan pitched above his usual strike rate due to halwa bowling.

Everything ignored and a thread created to undermine Babar and Rizwan on a sample size of 1 practice game.

If you want to prove this poor theory then please highlight power play performance of Pakiatan prior to Babar and Rizwan taking roles as openers. Go back how many years you want and skew the stats as much as you want.
 
atomberg said:
Ben Stokes doesn't always bowl an over inside the powerplay. He bowled twelve freebies Today.
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That is what I kept telling thepisters who were getting excited. Stokes was also bowling for first time after a long time. And he also bowled no balls and wides. Equally Jordon wasrubbush in his first couple overs. Shan batted ok, but under the real match pressure and against good bowlershebe no better than Rizwan or Babar. I do want Babar to batonedown only because there is no proper batsman in the middle order, once we lose one or both of them.playing 20 overs become hard to play fortge rest.
Also Babar and Rizwan combined often score closer to 50 than 40.
 
shaz619 said:
But isn’t [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] theory sound?

The powerplay is regarded as the easier period to bat in and opposed to conserving wickets one must take advantage of the outfield.

If one of Babar or Ris drop from their usual position, they would be replaced with someone potentially a leftie to disturb bowlers at the top and also one who’d show more intent.

As the middle order is so weak, Babar or Ris would be strengthening it.

Today Shan Masood of all players was dynamic at the top, if he or Fakhar are selected they must ideally open and allow either Babar of Ris to support the middle order.

We have a need in the middle order and not the top, even Misbah realised this in his days despite his critics
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Shan is a one-dimensional player who will play at an SR of less than 120 even as an opener. Fakhar has the same SR as Babar and Rizwan as an opener while having a much lower average.

Riz and Babar aren't power-hitters and their role is to play at a decent to great SR at the top while making sure Pakistan doesn't lose wickets. The guys in Pakistan's middle order are picked specifically to be power hitters.

When your team scores 80/1 in 10 overs you expect your "power hitters" to get at least 100 runs in the last 10 overs but with Pakistan, you'll most likely get 60-80 or fewer runs unless one of Babar or Rizwan carries the bat and does the power hitters job for them.

Here are the Strike Rates of Pakistan's world-renowned "power hitters".

Iftikhar - 125.58

Asif - 134.49

Haider - 127.43

Total sum stats of these three.

Innings - 105

Total Runs - 1,579

Average Runs per Innings - 15.03

SR - 129.1

Total sum of Babar and Rizwan's stats as openers.

Innings - 113

Total Runs - 4,732

Average Runs per Innings - 41.8

SR - 132.0

Guys like Iftikhar, Asif, and Khushdil are just poor batsmen and they will remain poor no matter what position they bat.
 
Smbhayi said:
This is what I don't understand.. how many times teams able to do that? May be 2 out of ten.. and if you're targetting RizBab well they do score more than 40 in pp most of time..
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You are right. When Babar and Rizwan chased 200+ against England recently they were 59/0 after the first 6 overs. Next day they both got out within first 2 overs and their score was 37/3 in the first 6 overs. :inti
 
Preferably the top 3 should have been :-

Rizwan
Fakhar
Babar

Babar probably more capable than Rizwan when it comes to thriving at a position other than opening. But now no point discussing about it, the ship has gone. It is time for action now.
 
Rana said:
But it’s one game in 3 years since Babar and Rizwan haven’t opened

How do we know this won’t be the case 10 times in a row?
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Rizwan didn't play in 6th T20 during home series. Pak scored only 170 on a beautiful batting surface and England chased it down in 14 overs.
We had a very similar game today.
Only in Pakistan will fans blame the best performer for team's failures. Performing so consistently at the top level is no joke and few people want TTF's to replace rizwan.
 
Hextro said:
Shan is a one-dimensional player who will play at an SR of less than 120 even as an opener. Fakhar has the same SR as Babar and Rizwan as an opener while having a much lower average.

Riz and Babar aren't power-hitters and their role is to play at a decent to great SR at the top while making sure Pakistan doesn't lose wickets. The guys in Pakistan's middle order are picked specifically to be power hitters.

When your team scores 80/1 in 10 overs you expect your "power hitters" to get at least 100 runs in the last 10 overs but with Pakistan, you'll most likely get 60-80 or fewer runs unless one of Babar or Rizwan carries the bat and does the power hitters job for them.

Here are the Strike Rates of Pakistan's world-renowned "power hitters".

Iftikhar - 125.58

Asif - 134.49

Haider - 127.43

Total sum stats of these three.

Innings - 105

Total Runs - 1,579

Average Runs per Innings - 15.03

SR - 129.1

Total sum of Babar and Rizwan's stats as openers.

Innings - 113

Total Runs - 4,732

Average Runs per Innings - 41.8

SR - 132.0

Guys like Iftikhar, Asif, and Khushdil are just poor batsmen and they will remain poor no matter what position they bat.
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Shan may well be but he made batting look so easy opening in his normal position today against a good attack

With the hole you have highlighted in the middle order, shouldn’t one of Babar or Ris strengthen it by batting there? considering we have no obvious way of improving this area going by the players available and the stats you highlight
 
sweep_shot said:
Fakhar? Nawaz?

They are pretty good.
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Sir, According to me.Fakhar is Decent, but out of form and struggles to rotate but still skillwise very behind not in class of Rohit, Buttler, Sky, Rahul, Kohli, QDK, Markram etc But being an Indian i will be wary of him as he has stepped up in some big games.
Nawaz is not a top order bat and he is good at 7 and 8.Nawaz is ok against Spin and Medium pacers but i think he will struggle against 140+ and bounce as he uses long handle.
They both don't have complete t20 batting skills.Infact no one in Pakistan does.Babar and Rizwan are the best Pakistan have but they don't have powergame and than Fakhar is the 3rd best but he struggles to rotate, play 360 degree and just slogs on leg, cow corner..That's all...
 
Rana said:
Simple question.

66-1 or 40-0 in Powerplay: Where would you rather be?

Discuss!
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Only Misbah and his fans would say 40-0 or even 30-0 would be OK for them.

I would rather fantasy 100-1 at the end of powerplay. 66-1 is not enough for our greatest one down, power hitting, inning stabilizing, hard working, English Speaking, Stylish, composed, comprehensive great fielding athlete of a batting master, Mr Shan Masood.
He will choke the life out of the game at #3, so we gotta give him enough cushion.
 
Colorblind Genius said:
Only Misbah and his fans would say 40-0 or even 30-0 would be OK for them.

I would rather fantasy 100-1 at the end of powerplay. 66-1 is not enough for our greatest one down, power hitting, inning stabilizing, hard working, English Speaking, Stylish, composed, comprehensive great fielding athlete of a batting master, Mr Shan Masood.
He will choke the life out of the game at #3, so we gotta give him enough cushion.
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[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] had no hesitation in saying 40-0
 
So if England are averaging 49 in PP overs , probably not many more than Rizwan and Babar, when batting together, what has been the fuss all about?
It is clear the issue is that they have big hitters all the way to 6 and Pakistan have no big hitters at all or even batsmen who can play proper cricketing shots other than the two openers, so best we can hope for is 170 to 180, and as usual leave it to our bowlers to win it. Even if Fakhar somehow finds form and fitness and is slotted as an opener we will not get more than 170-180.
 
Rana said:
Simple question.

Pakistan changed their opening pair completely for the first time in 3 years I believe, and we achieved 66-1 in 6 overs! A run rate of 11.

Regardless of what there is to follow, would you rather be in a position where the openers have gone at close to 200 strike rate and got you this start or the openers to score at 120-130 and potentially get you to 100-1 in 14 overs?

Discuss!
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It's a very simple question. The answer is 66-1.
But there are a few other points that are important.
Australia is faster scoring compared to UAE which is where you probably get the Rizwan Babar AVG ( (which I think you have knocked some runs off)

Also Englands bowlers were just on their first outings in a while( stokes opens the bowling does he- and Jordan has been out for a bit)

I'm expecting Babar Rizwan in proper match conditions to be beyond 50 in the first 6, given baber likes the ball coming on, bigger boundaries so there excellent running will turn 1s into 2s and 2s into 3s.

The problem will remain the middle order unfortunately - which we also saw today
 
Can somebody please post AVG pp scores for each country from last 2 years here?!

I don't think anybody is 66-1 which is where op extrapolation is a nonsense
 
Abdullah said:
Can somebody please post AVG pp scores for each country from last 2 years here?!

I don't think anybody is 66-1 which is where op extrapolation is a nonsense
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Somebody did that, and it was an interesting one.
I think Sydney and Melbourne were 165 or something. And it was considered a good defendable total.
 
Say you open with a Shan and Haider… where will you hide Rizwan and Babar then?

If they play like snails, they’ll be even more detrimental in the middle overs.

But to answer the question, yes ofc 60/1 is better, and I found the Shan and Haider opening pair kind of interesting too.

The only way we break up this pair is if Rizwan opens with someone else and Babar moves to 3. Having someone aggressive on the other would take pressure off from Rizwan. With Rizwan and Babar opening together both encourage either to tuk tuk and inflate their average.
 
shaz619 said:
But isn’t [MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] theory sound?

The powerplay is regarded as the easier period to bat in and opposed to conserving wickets one must take advantage of the outfield.

If one of Babar or Ris drop from their usual position, they would be replaced with someone potentially a leftie to disturb bowlers at the top and also one who’d show more intent.

As the middle order is so weak, Babar or Ris would be strengthening it.

Today Shan Masood of all players was dynamic at the top, if he or Fakhar are selected they must ideally open and allow either Babar of Ris to support the middle order.

We have a need in the middle order and not the top, even Misbah realised this in his days despite his critics
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Exactly man. It’s so simple.

We all know Babar can bat at 3. He’s a similar player to Kohli, and look at where Kohli bats without any fuss.

In the NZ series Vs BD they could’ve tried out Asif, Haider, even Shan as an opening partner for Rizwan.
 
shaz619 said:
Shan may well be but he made batting look so easy opening in his normal position today against a good attack

With the hole you have highlighted in the middle order, shouldn’t one of Babar or Ris strengthen it by batting there? considering we have no obvious way of improving this area going by the players available and the stats you highlight
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Neither one of Babar nor Rizwan are natural middle-order batsmen and they excel as openers.

If you've got some candidates for the opening position then feel free to name them.
 
Hextro said:
Neither one of Babar nor Rizwan are natural middle-order batsmen and they excel as openers.

If you've got some candidates for the opening position then feel free to name them.
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Loool

They bat at 4 and 5 in Test cricket :))
 
Hextro said:
Neither one of Babar nor Rizwan are natural middle-order batsmen and they excel as openers.

If you've got some candidates for the opening position then feel free to name them.
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If the middle order is the weakest, why should the best players not be there.

There may not be that many specialist openers besides Fakhar and Shan, but as we saw today, the powerplay is the easiest time to bat and these players are more likely to maximise their returns during this time compared to if they were in the middle order evidently.

At the very least, Babar at one down is not a radical change but arguably a proactive one.
 
We just don't have any depth or quality in the batting. Rizba will be the opening pair and management will bank on them meandering along merrily without due care or worry to save us from the clowns that come afterwards.

This is our brand, weak and timid, sooner we all embrace and accept it the better.
 
Hextro said:
Neither one of Babar nor Rizwan are natural middle-order batsmen and they excel as openers.

If you've got some candidates for the opening position then feel free to name them.
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Exactly the top three can be switched and one combo may work slightly better than the other but Pakistan’s real issue actually starts after the power play where more often than not we seem to be going nowhere. We need at least two batsmen from our 4,5,6 to be stringing at 140-150+. Until we have that we will always lag behind Ind, SA, Aus & Eng in batting. Shifting Babar and Rizwan down is not the answer.
 
Suleiman said:
Exactly man. It’s so simple.

We all know Babar can bat at 3. He’s a similar player to Kohli, and look at where Kohli bats without any fuss.

In the NZ series Vs BD they could’ve tried out Asif, Haider, even Shan as an opening partner for Rizwan.
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Some of these guys as good as they are can be regarded as a bit insecure. Ris I agree with you he should be there at the top, they could have experimented a bit more for his partners and ideally a left/right combo would be good. Babar is perfect for no.3 but might be lacking in some confidence perhaps. Kohli has a unique mentality.
 
If the first game is a washout

You will have to be playing catch up and nrr will come into play.

India and South Africa have the fire power and intent to up the ante

Powerplay is key
 
Rana said:
Loool

They bat at 4 and 5 in Test cricket :))
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Comparing Test cricket to T20 cricket... Can't say I'm surprised since you're the same guy that unironically want or wanted to make Asif the captain of our T20 side.
 
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