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66-1 or 40-0 in Powerplay: Where would you rather be?

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Rana said:
Openers zyaada sarr pe na charhain

Do your job. Bat hard and aim for 50+ in the powerplay

We don’t need Newton’s theoretical explanations of what if and what can happen. Know your role…
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They know their role, that's why we have the luxury of playing 4,5 sloggers every match. Which other team has so many hacks for power hitting?
 
66-1 and Rizbar at 3 and 4. It’s a good compromise, strengthens the middle order and will ensure a good total.

I don’t see why anyone would have a problem with that.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
KPL is our own league that consists only of Pakistanis.

Look at the players that get selected across the globe.

It's a genuine question - why don't the KPL, LPL, CPL, GPL, IT20,BBL, T20blast have a look at him. They have the finest analysts in the game across these leagues, in fact many of the coaching staff move from league to league.

Mickey Arthur who's positive mindset is being championed in other threads has even selected the much derided Shan Masood.

Other domestic players like the aging Asif afridi even got picked up by Shpageeza league.

Why never Sharjeel? He has not been mentioned once.
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Sharjeel was playing National cup in order to get back into Pakistan whilst Azam Khan and Amir were playing CPL. Fitness isn’t an issue if Azam is getting gigs in all of these leagues. Sharjeel probably gets enough from PSL and Sindh, hence focuses on his return for Pakistan. He has an upward task because of his past. Anyone in the world can see Khushdil, Shan and Haider are hardly as good as him merely on batting skills
 
Rana said:
Sharjeel was playing National cup in order to get back into Pakistan whilst Azam Khan and Amir were playing CPL. Fitness isn’t an issue if Azam is getting gigs in all of these leagues. Sharjeel probably gets enough from PSL and Sindh, hence focuses on his return for Pakistan. He has an upward task because of his past. Anyone in the world can see Khushdil, Shan and Haider are hardly as good as him merely on batting skills
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The alternative answer is that most genuine cricket talent scouts do not rate him, and have never rated, him hence his lack of selection.

Haider has been picked in CPL.

Shan in T20 Blast

Chacha in Afghan T20.

I could be wrong, but Mickey, Peter Moores, Herschell Gibbs, Dean Jones (RIP) and Wasim who are all respected over the world have not even recommended Sharjeel within their network either.

Is the whole T20 cricket world wrong?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
The alternative answer is that most genuine cricket talent scouts do not rate him, and have never rated, him hence his lack of selection.

Haider has been picked in CPL.

Shan in T20 Blast

Chacha in Afghan T20.

I could be wrong, but Mickey, Peter Moores, Herschell Gibbs, Dean Jones (RIP) and Wasim who are all respected over the world have not even recommended Sharjeel within their network either.

Is the whole T20 cricket world wrong?
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What clear proof do you have that he wasn’t ever rated? Your making stuff up are you not?

https://www.skysports.com/amp/crick...stershire-sign-pakistan-batsman-sharjeel-khan

“Leicestershire chief executive Wasim Khan revealed the club beat off interest to sign the 27-year-old.

"I am aware that there was keen interest from other counties, so I am delighted that we have managed to secure someone of Sharjeel's ability for the duration of the 2017 NatWest T20 Blast campaign," he said.
 
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Rana said:
What clear proof do you have that he wasn’t ever rated? Your making stuff up are you not?

https://www.skysports.com/amp/crick...stershire-sign-pakistan-batsman-sharjeel-khan

“Leicestershire chief executive Wasim Khan revealed the club beat off interest to sign the 27-year-old.

"I am aware that there was keen interest from other counties, so I am delighted that we have managed to secure someone of Sharjeel's ability for the duration of the 2017 NatWest T20 Blast campaign," he said.
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I watch the blast religiously and have never seen him play.

How did he get on?
 
James said:
66/1 every time.
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Rizwan is the silent culprit. Babar is okayish although he lacks in some areas. Manages to score run a ball on average. His acceleration skills are not really on par with some of the top players. He definitely needs an aggressive partner. Rizwan before crossing 25 has an average strike rate of under 100. Career 87 This year 82. Rizwan is doing exactly what KL Rahul has been criticized for, for the last few years. Sub 100 strike rates with most of his starts. Only difference is KL Rahul gets out after wasting all the balls. Rizwan does this Dhoni style make up lol. Deserves scrutiny regardless of how crappy Pakistan middle order is.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Rizwan is the silent culprit. Babar is okayish although he lacks in some areas. Manages to score run a ball on average. His acceleration skills are not really on par with some of the top players. He definitely needs an aggressive partner. Rizwan before crossing 25 has an average strike rate of under 100. Career 87 This year 82. Rizwan is doing exactly what KL Rahul has been criticized for, for the last few years. Sub 100 strike rates with most of his starts. Only difference is KL Rahul gets out after wasting all the balls. Rizwan does this Dhoni style make up lol. Deserves scrutiny regardless of how crappy Pakistan middle order is.
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And I am here to deliver that scrutiny

People may forget and overlook

I will not.
 
66-1 responded by the regular openers

8 dot balls in a row. 0*
 
Rana said:
66-1 responded by the regular openers

8 dot balls in a row. 0*
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It was only 8 dot balls in a row Rizwan needs 16 dot balls before he hits 6 sixes of an over.

The sample size of the openers is small 4 failures in big matches is too low they need 20 failures before they succeed in a big game.

They chased 200 against SA B and West Indies B don’t question them now no false perception is being created we have the masters of the big chase.
 
Smbhayi said:
England PP Score 2022
26-4
40-2
54-2
45-1
56-2
66-2
32-3
36-3
52-1
48-2
53-2
39-2
48-2
57-1
50-3
42-3
82-1
57-2
58-0
41-2
47-1


So even England performance is not good enough as per OP.
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Can you do similar stats for India and Australia as well? :inti
 
66-1 is better but if it is happening once in 10 games then what is the point?

Consistency is key to success. 40/0 is bad too, it should be 45 if you are 0 down by 6 overs.
 
Let's see where we get to in the game vs India.
 
Seems India not following this formula. Surely cannot win this game now.
 
MenInG said:
Seems India not following this formula. Surely cannot win this game now.
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India have not yet had to really go hard

However as you can see, a slow start (below 50) in powerplay means you will need extraordinary performances from the middle order players to get you to 180 (safe score)

Do you honestly think Pakistan has assured players like Kohli, SKY and DK in the middle to maximise their final total?
 
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] this is what everyone is saying Pakistan middle order is really rubbish compare to other teams, so Babar and Rizwan cannot play strokes that do not come naturally to them, and there are no free hitting openers in Pakistan to maximise score in PP.
 
Honestly this is a stupid thread. I didn’t think it was a 6 over game. All that matters is where we finish in 20 overs. Who cares where we are in 6 overs. Yes the stronger the start the better, but that doesn’t rule out a mid innings collapse!
I’d rather be 40/0 after 6 overs and make 190 instead of 60/1 after 6 overs and be out for 150! Not saying this will happen but the point is it’s the end score that matters
 
66-1 and it’s game over, plus you can keep one eye on the run rate needed

Pakistan deserve this exit
 
Pakistan are trying their best to follow the principles of this thread.

They have got the losing 1 or 2 wickets part mastered but are struggling to achieve the 60.

Baby steps.
 
Chasing 130 today vs. Zimbabwe, 66 for 1 would be perfect on many levels.

50% of the runs in the first 6 overs.
Massive potential boost to NRR.

But no, Pakistan opted for the usual. 20 odd for 2 wickets.
 
No matter how much a low score Pakistan chase we always go just below the required rate or at the required rate to bat out twenty overs which is a utterly cowardly approach.No intent to take the game to the opponent.
 
New Zealand 54/3 in 9.3 overs

Yes - seems strategy is universal.
 
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This year has seen more lateral movement in powerplays in T20's because of the new batch of kookaburras and pitches.

The lateral movement has been even more at this World Cup. Allied to the pace and bounce on Australian wickets and the deep square boundaries, most openers across teams are facing some of the toughest conditions they have ever faced in their careers.

66/1 consistently is a pipe dream in such conditions even for the English lineup . In fact, that's why they are struggling too
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]
 
Nikhil_cric said:
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This year has seen more lateral movement in powerplays in T20's because of the new batch of kookaburras and pitches.

The lateral movement has been even more at this World Cup. Allied to the pace and bounce on Australian wickets and the deep square boundaries, most openers across teams are facing some of the toughest conditions they have ever faced in their careers.

66/1 consistently is a pipe dream in such conditions even for the English lineup . In fact, that's why they are struggling too
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]
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You're wasting your time. Logic and stats are no match for emotion and a basic lack of intelligence.
 
Pakistanis eat meat and work in the fields. Where are the broad-shouldered hard hitters then? I think the two martial races in the North are more concerned with hitting the ball farther instead of effortlessly and end up massively overhitting and mistiming the ball. We need to shift our cricketing qibla from Afridi the slogger to Sharjeel the powerhitter (minus the dot balls).
 
42/3 in the PP today

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We should have been 80-2 if we didn’t have wastemans like Babar and Rizwan, and then shan eating up deliveries for dots
 
Muhammad Harris wanted 70-0 in the powerplay but Rizwan, Babar and Shan had other ideas

Tbf Babar wanted it too but today he realised he just isn’t that guy
 
Proven again and again in this WC - impractical approach on these wickets.

One size DOES NOT fit all.
 
Let’s say Pakistan are chasing 150 today

60-2 in the powerplay means you need to get 90 in 14 overs on a really slow track
 
Rana said:
Let’s say Pakistan are chasing 150 today

60-2 in the powerplay means you need to get 90 in 14 overs on a really slow track
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The risk of trying to get to a score which is not possible in certain conditions and then missing out on the bigger picture. That's the call Pakistan will make.
 
MenInG said:
The risk of trying to get to a score which is not possible in certain conditions and then missing out on the bigger picture. That's the call Pakistan will make.
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It isn’t a risk when purposefully you play those players who can achieve it to bat in the PP


That’s why teams set up with 2 aggressive openers and then consolidators for the recovery if things don’t go well.
 
[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION] even 66-0 is looking possible with Babar and Rizwan at the crease
 
Straightforward game now

Didn’t make it too hard for yourself did you?
 
Pak fans -dont despair about PP run rate. We are going to do this our way. We would defend 170 vs England in a big game. In fact I would take 170 right now to defend in the final.
Just need two early wickets and we would be right in the game
 
Abdullah said:
Pak fans -dont despair about PP run rate. We are going to do this our way. We would defend 170 vs England in a big game. In fact I would take 170 right now to defend in the final.
Just need two early wickets and we would be right in the game
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Our way…tuk, tuk, tuk….

170 chased in 16 overs?
 
Rana said:
Our way…tuk, tuk, tuk….

170 chased in 16 overs?
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Yes - we cant become something that we are not overnight. We going to do this our way, InshaAllah on the day it works.

If we try to go too hard and aim for 190+ we will more often then not end up well below par, because the middle order is not good enough. There is nobodty who avgs 20 and strikes at 135 plus in the whole country, so we cant do it englands way
 
Abdullah said:
Yes - we cant become something that we are not overnight. We going to do this our way, InshaAllah on the day it works.

If we try to go too hard and aim for 190+ we will more often then not end up well below par, because the middle order is not good enough. There is nobodty who avgs 20 and strikes at 135 plus in the whole country, so we cant do it englands way
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This has only been said 10,000 times on this forum.

Would you keep explaining mathematics to the slow kid in the class? No. You leave them behind and move the bright kids on.

This is what Pakistan need to do with their cricket team. Take the best decisions and ignore the toxic noise because that'll always be present in Pakistan fans and media circles.
 
hitthestump said:
This has only been said 10,000 times on this forum.

Would you keep explaining mathematics to the slow kid in the class? No. You leave them behind and move the bright kids on.

This is what Pakistan need to do with their cricket team. Take the best decisions and ignore the toxic noise because that'll always be present in Pakistan fans and media circles.
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Are you talking about yourself?
 
Which team has been scoring 66-1 in the PP on a consistent basis? I'd rather be 40-0 in five games rather than getting 66-1 in one game and being 38-3 in the next four.
 
Abdullah said:
Yes - we cant become something that we are not overnight. We going to do this our way, InshaAllah on the day it works.

If we try to go too hard and aim for 190+ we will more often then not end up well below par, because the middle order is not good enough. There is nobodty who avgs 20 and strikes at 135 plus in the whole country, so we cant do it englands way
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Which games have you been watching from 40-4 Pakistan made 180 against South Africa due to the middle order.

The middle order chased down 11 an over against New Zealand recently the openers apart from the last match failed in every match facts and figures tell a completely different story to people’s perceptions.
 
Abdullah said:
Pak fans -dont despair about PP run rate. We are going to do this our way. We would defend 170 vs England in a big game. In fact I would take 170 right now to defend in the final.
Just need two early wickets and we would be right in the game
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This feels like Misbah Ul Haq himself
 
Cric1234 said:
Which games have you been watching from 40-4 Pakistan made 180 against South Africa due to the middle order.

The middle order chased down 11 an over against New Zealand recently the openers apart from the last match failed in every match facts and figures tell a completely different story to people’s perceptions.
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There's 2 to 3 years body of work , so don't extrapolate from one or two games. I asked you yesterday as well, name the players who AVG more than 20 and strike at 135 plus for our middle order.
They aren't there.
Strategy is not based on the back of 1 or 2 games in 3 years
 
Bilal7 said:
Which team has been scoring 66-1 in the PP on a consistent basis? I'd rather be 40-0 in five games rather than getting 66-1 in one game and being 38-3 in the next four.
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The answer is none. I certainly would not accept Pakistan going for 60 every powerplay without heads rolling and neither would any other team.
 
The blistering pace of Pakistan's new-ball bowling attack take on England's blazing opening pair in a head-to-head battle that could well decide the T20 World Cup final.

England's openers stormed to a ten-wicket win in Adelaide over India, with Alex Hales and Jos Buttler breaking records in their blitz.

Buttler and Hales have set the tone with the bat, and boast the best average Powerplay in the tournament, an impressive 52 runs for the loss of one wicket.

The pair's unbeaten 170 (96 balls) is not only the highest opening partnership in the Men's tournament history, but it's also the highest partnership for any wicket.

Though they come across their stiffest opposition with the ball: Pakistan.

Quicks Shaheen Shah Afridi, Haris Rauf, Naseem Shah and Mohammad Wasim, as well as the spin of Shadab Khan and Mohammed Nawaz, are the most impactful side with the ball in the first six overs of the tournament, on average taking two wickets for just 37 runs.

Pakistan captain Babar Azam didn't downplay the significance when asked how important the first six overs will be with the ball for Pakistan.

"Utilising the Powerplay to grab as many wickets will be essential for the match.

"Even when you bat, you want to set a great pace for the upcoming batsmen. We will try to maintain and continuously build our momentum hence ensuring better performance."

The early breakthrough from Shaheen to remove Finn Allen set the tone for their semi-final win in Sydney over New Zealand, and the Black Caps never recovered from the early setback, also losing Devon Conway on the last ball of the Powerplay, brilliantly run out by Shadab Khan.

After his 2/24, having also taken the wicket of Kane Williamson at the backend of the innings, Shaheen was hailed by his skipper when making post-match comments.

"He has really been using our experience and now everyone knows he's the best bowler in Pakistan and in the world, so we know he's bowling and he's doing fine out there."

Pakistan's tournament comeback was predicated on strong new ball bowling. Before the semi-final, Pakistan's best performance arguably came in their win over South Africa. Shaheen claimed Quinton de Kock for a duck and Rilee Rossouw for just seven, stifling a Proteas chase.

England meanwhile claimed a recent seven-match series in Pakistan 4-3 in the lead-up to the tournament, though the absence of Shaheen and Buttler from the matches suggests the form book might as well be thrown out ahead of the tournament final.

Buttler's side have the chance to hold both the Cricket World Cup and T20 World Cup concurrently after Sunday's fixture, and the skipper says vibes are good in the camp.

"Naturally there's huge excitement for the match.

"Anytime you get a chance to play in a World Cup final is a huge honour. We're really excited as a group. There seems a nice feel around the team."

ICC
 
You are comparing apples with oranges. 66-1 is on our good day and 40-0 is on an average day. A better comparison would be 66-3 vs 40-0 (both more common than 66-1).

To stand a chance of getting 66-1 on average, you need to fill your upper order with 30+ average and 135+ SR batsmen (30+30 = 60). Even then you can't predict your team will consistently score at that rate, but at least the management would have done their part.

In Pakistan, Usman Qadir regularly makes the squad which makes absolutely no sense even if he has rare good performances. If you have to depend on miracles to bail you out every time instead of systems approach, why not wrap up the entire cricketing setup and just enter the competition like Afghanistan or Netherlands?
 
It's not about 66-1 or 40-0

powerplay is a way of giving batsmen an advantage in the game therefore there is a restriction where only 2 fielders are allowed outside the circle this way the batsmen has an advantage of play shots that can go for boundaries and pile up runs for the team

Now if a batsmen is unable to take the advantage of the powerplay then the batsmen is incompetent and it comes down the bowling beinh way too good for the batsmen to handle

Its not a strategy to play out the powerplay it's a deficiency

If trying to make use of powerplay means losing wickets then the batsmens are not good enough and it's better to sort of the problem than disregarding the powerplay

T20 is a game where the batsmen need to get going from ball 1 there is no time to see off the new ball in a 20 over game or playout bowlers

You have 11 players in a team where at least 7 of them should be able to hit the ball that's 3 overs each in a 20 over game you just need to stick out do your best in 3 overs I don't see the reason for saving wickets it's not a test match or an odi
 
This is one game where I hope the 40-0 ten times in a row nerds will accept that we must go hard in these 6 overs
 
Babri said:
Because when he came into bat he had no choice as powerplay was ending.
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What else is he supposed to do in the powerplay?

He played fearlessly against SA and got you into the final as a result
 
Rana said:
So we shouldn’t open with Hard hitters?
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Hard-hitters need to be somewhat consistent or else they’re pointless (see Asif Ali). This guy is yet to show he’s anything more than a tullebaaz. Perform consistently as an opener in the PSL and then he’ll have a valid claim. Until then it’s just hopium and wishful thinking.
 
Rana said:
What else is he supposed to do in the powerplay?

He played fearlessly against SA and got you into the final as a result
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On a tricky pitch innings needed consolidating so big hitters get 7-8 overs. Should've besn Shan
 
Hectic said:
Hard-hitters need to be somewhat consistent or else they’re pointless (see Asif Ali). This guy is yet to show he’s anything more than a tullebaaz. Perform consistently as an opener in the PSL and then he’ll have a valid claim. Until then it’s just hopium and wishful thinking.
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He is 22 and has won you 3 games in a row fot you to be playing a final!!

If that isn’t consistent what is???
 
Rana said:
What else is he supposed to do in the powerplay?

He played fearlessly against SA and got you into the final as a result
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Exactly what I was saying. He had no choice. If he had full 6 overs of powerplay then he could get himself in
 
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