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Rizwan and Babar.Who are the most influential selfish players?
Be honest
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Rizwan and Babar.Who are the most influential selfish players?
Be honest
And what did NZ play? Their All time 11?We did not play our best lineups at all. We also played closer to our Pakistan A squad/team.
Rizwan I believe played 1 in 4 games.
Naseem played 1 in 4 games.
SSA played in 2 games.
Amir played in 2 games.
Fakhar played in 2 games.
Naseem, SSA and Amir only played in 1 game together.
To me our real lineup is quite good.
Babar
Saim/Usman
Rizwan
Fakhar
Ifti/Azam
Shadab
Imad
Amir
Shaheen
Naseem
+ 1 spin option between Usama Mir/Abrar etc.
This was not our best lineups, we were constantly making changes to shuffle, to get many players reps and looks. It was wise, but at some point before the WC we should strive for some more continuity.
no shaddy and no maddy only team's daddy Babar AzamBut I believe Shaddy and Maddy are the real guys.
Big Daddy Azam isn’t here to please anyoneno shaddy and no maddy only team's daddy Babar Azam
Pakistan team’s performance since CT 2017 has been a big wake up call. Like in the past, some convenient excuse will be thrown about to make everyone feel better. The same team and performance will be repeated for the most part. The question is will PCB listen?Pakistan cricket team just saved itself from an utter embarrassment today. Instead of 2-2 it would have been 1-3. So is this team that Mohammad Amir and Shadab Khan termed as the "World Cup winning side"?
If that is our performance at home then what awaits us in stores for the World Cup 2024.Are we still prepared for the upcoming T20 WC or just an underwhelming recent performances just exposed PCT badly before the mega tournament.
So is it a big wake up call for us?
You have already decided that Babar’s captaincy will be worse this time and Iftikhar and other players who are easy targets will be worse this time too.Infact i even verbatim asked you if you were claiming world class for Pakistan standards or world class across the entire planet and you were adamant on him being wc across the planet. However later @Rana ended up sarcastically saying "Just how fast the night changes" Because you doubled back and started claiming Babar now warms the bench of Indian teams but prior were adamant on him getting in.
Now the uncomfortable reality is that Pakistan made the final last time around and when they fall short this time, we will see a lot of desperate excuses this time to deflect attention away from the reality that the returns of Amir and Imad didn’t have an impact on the team.
Babar’s captaincy was worse this time, his batting was worse this time, Iftikhar and other players who are easy targets were worse this time, Pakistan didn’t get lucky like they did in 2022, the format was less forgiving etc.
We will keep hearing such excuses.
None of these are excuses. Their factual valid arguments about why no 2 tournaments are the same, the agenda for imad and Amir is from you, you not willing to accept certain arguments despite being the man who first made said arguments in 2022 doesn't mean anything. And lastly don't bring up toxic agendas against Babar to me.
I think they won't just waiting for another embarrassment on their face.Pakistan team’s performance since CT 2017 has been a big wake up call. Like in the past, some convenient excuse will be thrown about to make everyone feel better. The same team and performance will be repeated for the most part. The question is will PCB listen?
It's not about faith, its about arguing rationally about why no 2 world cups are the same.You have already decided that Babar’s captaincy will be worse this time and Iftikhar and other players who are easy targets will be worse this time too.
In addition, you have already decided that the format will be less forgiving for Pakistan and they will not have any luck.
You are clearly implying that you don’t have any faith in Imad and Amir helping Pakistan win the World Cup and since Pakistan made the final the last time around without both, all the hype and hoopla surrounding their comebacks is nothing but a waste of time.
Amir getting humiliated by New Zealand D is just the beginning of their anti-climatic and flop return to international cricket before they run away again.
It's not about faith, its about arguing rationally about why no 2 world cups are the same.
Nice try on trying to appeal to my emotions. Come on bro, you're gonna have to try harder.
We can take both of them on on lowish slowish wickets.Ironically, I think some of the players who hurt Pakistan in this series - Tim Robinson, Tim Seifert , Josh Clarkson , Will O'Rourke are better than some of the guys selected for their World T20 squad.
PAK should actually hope for NZ in the semis. Good chance of making finals, then. It's the Aussies and Poms that PAK have to worry about.
We haven’t been strong for a long time. Early t20s 2007-2011 or so we were strong but that was mainly our bowling attack. And people were still figuring out t20s. It’s far more batting dependent now and our spin attack isn’t as strong. In tests under Misbah we were strong in Asia, think we even had an unbeaten record in UAE for a while but that went after Misbah left. Odis we’ve been doing badly for so long not sure when the last time we were strong.Pakistan team’s performance since CT 2017 has been a big wake up call. Like in the past, some convenient excuse will be thrown about to make everyone feel better. The same team and performance will be repeated for the most part. The question is will PCB listen?
Brother, you're the type of guy to deliberately cause a scene to anger people for the sake of attention.Amir and Imad fans are ruffled because they know that they will have a hard time justifying their impact on the team when Pakistan made the final last time around without them and they are highly unlikely to improve on that.
The fact that Amir got exposed vs New Zealand D was also not the start that they were looking for.
An upset would mean to win itwe need to be ready for an upset in the WC.
Your points were rubbish. You are just looking for excuses to justify the lack of impact Amir and Imad will have on the team.Brother, you're the type of guy to deliberately cause a scene to anger people for the sake of attention.
I've already told you, I'm sick of going in circles and I've made my points extremely clear.
If you're not willing to have a decent argument and are willing to be disingenuous and acting like a washed up poster, then their no point.
Carry your pathani instincts onto someone else. It's not my job to mentally change your mind lol, I gave you my points, you have not bee able to counter them, and are throwing a hissyfit. I'm not your mommy that I'll give you attention and repeat myself again.
I gave my points, you couldn't counter or didn't address or whatever reason you're being disingenuous. Kindly don't bother me now.
You already are a special needs kid lol,Your points were rubbish. You are just looking for excuses to justify the lack of impact Amir and Imad will have on the team.
You are already making excuses for Amir’s embarrassing performance vs NZ D.
I’m glad you are not my mommy. If you were, I would have been a special needs kid.
Should have gone with O’Rourke as the traveling seamerFive players who were on the tour of Pakistan recently for the 5-T20I series have been selected in the New Zealand squad for the ICC T20I World Cup 2024:
Meanwhile, Ben Sears, who was also on the Pakistan tour, has been selected as the traveling reserve
- Michael Bracewell
- Ish Sodhi
- Jimmy Neesham
- Mark Chapman
- Finn Allen
Why does sodhi keep getting selected?Five players who were on the tour of Pakistan recently for the 5-T20I series have been selected in the New Zealand squad for the ICC T20I World Cup 2024:
Meanwhile, Ben Sears, who was also on the Pakistan tour, has been selected as the traveling reserve
- Michael Bracewell
- Ish Sodhi
- Jimmy Neesham
- Mark Chapman
- Finn Allen
I think today it was Babar who let us down, and that Shadab spell was the turning point.Rizwan and Babar.