A drawn series in a place like England is still a fantastic achievement

[Harshu814]

Remind me again when did India last win a test series outside Asia?

Last india played away series 2018 v SAF - lost but last outside asia Won =2016 (the earliest away series played before 2018 one

There is your ans

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

We only managed to draw because it was a 2 match series. England generally start home series slow.

They lost to SL 0-1 in 2014. Sam year, they fell back 0-1 to India after 2 tests. If it was a longer sries, we would have been smashed like India were. Regardless still a decent result. But not a particularly nteworthy achievement.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Some teams do better against certain teams. It is a phenomena that we see in every sport.

In this decade, Pakistan have had the wood over England, even though, they have struggled against lesser teams.

Similarly, England have done well against teams better than Pakistan, but for some reason, they have been poor against Pakistan.

India has comfortably been a better side than Pakistan for about 15 years, but they have not done well against England, even though, they have done better than Pakistan against other teams. As a result, they have been consistently ranked higher.

It won’t be surprising if England beat India, and it won’t change anything. India are well ahead of Pakistan in all formats and will continue to do better against most opposition.

ofcourse India are a better team at the moment.

Whenever two teams play there is almost always a favorite to win. Sometimes you may have a match with two teams that are very close in winning odds.

But if the non-favorite team wins it does not necessarly make it a fluke win or them non deserving of the win.

I know you talk about being a realist. This is what gets underneath people's skin. Your version of realism downplays all acheivements and highlights all the failures.

You are not a realist you are by definition a pessimist. There is a difference.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Not good enough. We're not minnows, and Eng were at their lowest morale.

If it was a 3 or 5 match series, we would've been bulldozed.

Thank the short series! You get to call it a draw.

Shafiq and Sarfraz need to go or spot put in danger if we want to have a decent chance outside the UAE.

We only managed to draw because it was a 2 match series. England generally start home series slow.

They lost to SL 0-1 in 2014. Sam year, they fell back 0-1 to India after 2 tests. If it was a longer sries, we would have been smashed like India were. Regardless still a decent result. But not a particularly nteworthy achievement.

2016 was a 4 match series no?

 

[Hawkeye]

2016 was a 4 match series no?

That was played mostly under easy conditions.

You can fluke a single win in early summer under clouds, yes. But not again.

If you're not good enough, like we are not good enough, you cannot win a series. Be thankful to the PCB/ECB they gave you only 2 tests.

Anything 3 or above would've resulted in embarrassment.

 

[BreadPakoda]

But you are neglecting 2 points
1st when India played their in 2011 most of our players were well past their prime, they were tired after 4 exhausting months of wc and ipl that series should have been 2 -3 months later.
Second 2013 we did actually well in first 2 matches in fact we were ahead but the inexperience of that side caught them in next 3 matches that is why I said that 2 match series is a lottery, and it's the 4-5 match series that tests the mental toughness of a team.

When Pakistan payed in 2016, both Misbah and YK were on their last legs. Yet both made decisive centuries, in fact YK made a double century to clinch the series. It was a 4-match series.

In 2011, SRT, Dravid and others were at least 3-4 years younger and still in prime as compared to these 2, 5 years later. The stalwarts were the best we had. Their being over the hill and "past their prime" is a comment made in hind sight.

 

[the Great Khan]

I see the usual suspect has tried to put a dampener on this achievement. I'll go with what the pundits were saying. Just listen to Vaughn, boycott and aggers. They did not expect Pakistan to have a chance in the May conditions. Everyone and anyone knows teams that come over in May are easy meat for England. They serve as a nice warmup to get england going for the rest of the summer.

The highest score in teh series was 80. Nobody made a century and this should tell you about the conditions. When Pakistan got blown away all the pundits said it could have happened to anyone. Yes some sily shots but the ball was moving around all over the place. It is not easy to play the Dukes ball in May. The great Aussie side of WAUGH also lost an early match here when Goughie and co got the ball to move around all over. It happens.

We had a young inexperienced side that fought really hard and beat England in their own conditions. That is a massive achievement.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Not good enough. We're not minnows, and Eng were at their lowest morale.

If it was a 3 or 5 match series, we would've been bulldozed.

Thank the short series! You get to call it a draw.

Shafiq and Sarfraz need to go or spot put in danger if we want to have a decent chance outside the UAE.

Untrue

They may be extremely poor overseas but when is the last time ENG lost a home test series?

 

[Markhor]

Untrue

They may be extremely poor overseas but when is the last time ENG lost a home test series?

I think England have only lost 4 home Test series since the 2001 Ashes.

In 2006 to Sri Lanka, 2007 to India, 2012 to South Africa and 2014 to Sri Lanka.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

A golden opportunity lost to win a series in England

THIS... /thread

England isn't that good now a days in test format. They have only 97 rating points. Also Pakistan unlike India always does better in swing conditions to bounce.

 

[blackanhyellow]

That was played mostly under easy conditions.

You can fluke a single win in early summer under clouds, yes. But not again.

If you're not good enough, like we are not good enough, you cannot win a series. Be thankful to the PCB/ECB they gave you only 2 tests.

Anything 3 or above would've resulted in embarrassment.

is that what your crystal ball said?

What did your crystal ball say before this series? Let me guess that we wouldnt win a single match right?

So sorry you and a few other pundits were wrong and now you have to double down on your wrong prediction by calling a test match win a fluke.

Btw if its possible to fluke 9 out of 10 sessions over the course of 4 days all the while outbatting, outbowling, and outfielding England in England, that is some fluke.

 

[Xoib]

I think England have only lost 4 home Test series since the 2001 Ashes.

In 2006 to Sri Lanka, 2007 to India, 2012 to South Africa and 2014 to Sri Lanka.

nah that was a draw but they have lost 4 twice to SA in 2008 & 2012

 

[samiakh]

It's the attitude I have a problem with. It was as if they said we won at Lords that's enough now we can relax. That's a poor attitude.

 

[ssuhaide]

Whilst the abject display at Headingley was pathetic and meek I think some credit for the first test display at Lords. England have not lost a first test in home series in May for 23 years and only lost 3 test matches in the history of cricket in test matches that start in May. So a creditable achievement for a side lacking spine in the batting.

 

[Hawkeye]

is that what your crystal ball said?

What did your crystal ball say before this series? Let me guess that we wouldnt win a single match right?

So sorry you and a few other pundits were wrong and now you have to double down on your wrong prediction by calling a test match win a fluke.

Btw if its possible to fluke 9 out of 10 sessions over the course of 4 days all the while outbatting, outbowling, and outfielding England in England, that is some fluke.

The result would have been different had Root asked us to bat instead of bowl.

He offered us that match on a plate, and we did take its full advantage.

Make no.mistake, we would've lost that one too if asked to bat.

 

[blackanhyellow]

The result would have been different had Root asked us to bat instead of bowl.

He offered us that match on a plate, and we did take its full advantage.

Make no.mistake, we would've lost that one too if asked to bat.

you realize the toss played a crucial part in the second test too right?

There is a possibility there as well things could have gone differently.

Again if your crystal ball says something different then ill stop arguing

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Its noo big deal to draw a 2match series and the lastone was lost by an innings..SL in 2014 won the series which is even a big achievement

 

[Braveheart]

Once again no one gave us a chance before the series, but that win at Lords was magnificent and hurt England.
I would have taken a 1-1.

 

[Bubby]

When Pakistan payed in 2016, both Misbah and YK were on their last legs. Yet both made decisive centuries, in fact YK made a double century to clinch the series. It was a 4-match series.

In 2011, SRT, Dravid and others were at least 3-4 years younger and still in prime as compared to these 2, 5 years later. The stalwarts were the best we had. Their being over the hill and "past their prime" is a comment made in hind sight.

Look the Indian players played 4 months of draining cricket and the series in England was just 8-10 days after ipl

 

[Xoib]

The result would have been different had Root asked us to bat instead of bowl.

He offered us that match on a plate, and we did take its full advantage.

Make no.mistake, we would've lost that one too if asked to bat.

The result would have been different if we had Viv and Bradman in our team.see my argument makes as much sense as your argument.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

It's a fantastic achievement, on the back of the 2-2 series as well the last time we visited. Our record in England recently is among the best of the touring sides. I'd be interested to see how India will do later; will give some perspective on whether we were a clearly improving test side, or we caught England during a transition.

 

[The_Odd_One]

That was played mostly under easy conditions.

You can fluke a single win in early summer under clouds, yes. But not again.

If you're not good enough, like we are not good enough, you cannot win a series. Be thankful to the PCB/ECB they gave you only 2 tests.

Anything 3 or above would've resulted in embarrassment.

Did not Pakistan beat both Australia and England in 2010 in far more difficult batting conditions?

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Did not Pakistan beat both Australia and England in 2010 in far more difficult batting conditions?

where? in Australia?

 

[The_Odd_One]

where? in Australia?

No, they played a home series in England vs Australia in 2010. It was 2 test series which ended in 1-1.

 

[Bilal7]

Thank you. Some of the reaction makes you believe we were on the receiving of a whitewash.

Most would've taken a 1-1 draw in early season English conditions with this raw team.

That's what you get with some of the reactionary people here. 1-1 is a fantastic performance, especially given that we were without two of our best players for the second match.

Let's see how many trees India uproot.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

the series in England was just 8-10 days after ipl

So whose fault is it then?

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

No, they played a home series in England vs Australia in 2010. It was 2 test series which ended in 1-1.

sooo batting conditions in 2010 are far more difficult in uae than in Australia is it? Then why couldn’t they win or draw a single match in easier batting conditions in Australia in their subsequent tour?

 

[Markhor]

Its noo big deal to draw a 2match series and the lastone was lost by an innings..SL in 2014 won the series which is even a big achievement

Sri Lanka had Sangakkara and Jayawardene in that team. We don't have a single batsman remotely of the same class yet managed a draw.

 

[MMHS]

Indeed credible; Poms are very good at home, and their attack will trouble every batting lineup. Besides, this series was drawn by the MoM performance of a player (Butler), who was hardly considered in past. Only disappointment is that normally tourists start from behind and catch up, here PAK won 1st Test commendably, then lost the next one shamefully - that too after winning a crucial toss and Poms playing without Stokes.

 

[Brodipet_baadshah]

Sri Lanka had Sangakkara and Jayawardene in that team. We don't have a single batsman remotely of the same class yet managed a draw.

indeed yes...current pak team is noo where near to any top team..any other top team would had won the series if they manage to win the first one by atleast drawing the nxt one but cannot lose by an innings by any stretch of imagination..forget celebrations any top team/supporters would feel dejected if they manage to draw a series after going 1 up in a two match series

 

[On_the_up]

It is a fantastic achievement, but the abject surrender in the 2nd test has taken a shine off somewhat. A more competitive effort would have resulted in more of a feel good factor. As it is, the feeling is a case of "back to square one."

Having said all that, I am sure not many of us would have complained at a 1-1 before the series started.

 

[JaDed]

Indeed credible; Poms are very good at home, and their attack will trouble every batting lineup. Besides, this series was drawn by the MoM performance of a player (Butler), who was hardly considered in past. Only disappointment is that normally tourists start from behind and catch up, here PAK won 1st Test commendably, then lost the next one shamefully - that too after winning a crucial toss and Poms playing without Stokes.

Not been the case with Asian teams off late,they usually win one of first two tests Nd then fizzle out, except PCT in 2016

 

[PakLFC]

After winning the first test Pak should have done much better in the second. I am glad to hear that Mickey will be giving some of our players a proper hiding. Hasan Ali dropped a crucial catch then Faheem tried to hit sixers when occupying the crease was much more important. In the second innings we just threw our wickets away. There should be some mugs broken by Mickey in the dressing room.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...out-a-couple-of-hidings-tonight-micky-arthur/

 

[Abdullah]

England have been far from potent at home. Since 2011, they have lost to South Africa in 2012 and Sri Lanka in 2014.

They have been similar to Pakistan in the UAE - they have won most series, but they have been far from dominant or convincing.

Of all the major non-Asian teams, they are by far the most vulnerable team at home.

Sorry this is total bullcrap and it's clear because you having to go back 4 and 6 years.
England at home have beaten Aus Ind and SA pretty comfortably at home and that was summer series where the likes of aus and Ind should have done much better

 

[Abdullah]

It's a fantastic achievement, on the back of the 2-2 series as well the last time we visited. Our record in England recently is among the best of the touring sides. I'd be interested to see how India will do later; will give some perspective on whether we were a clearly improving test side, or we caught England during a transition.

I don't think what India do should detract from what we have done. India should be able to do what we done in 2016 at the least. Pitches are flat and take spin from day 4 in late summer in England

 

[Abdullah]

The result would have been different had Root asked us to bat instead of bowl.

He offered us that match on a plate, and we did take its full advantage.

Make no.mistake, we would've lost that one too if asked to bat.

What if we had asked them to bat 2nd game?

 

[MMHS]

Not been the case with Asian teams off late,they usually win one of first two tests Nd then fizzle out, except PCT in 2016

I am talking in general - tourists need time to settle.

 

[Bubby]

So whose fault is it then?

bcci

 

[The_Odd_One]

sooo batting conditions in 2010 are far more difficult in uae than in Australia is it? Then why couldn’t they win or draw a single match in easier batting conditions in Australia in their subsequent tour?

They played that series in England.

 

[Mamoon]

Sorry this is total bullcrap and it's clear because you having to go back 4 and 6 years.
England at home have beaten Aus Ind and SA pretty comfortably at home and that was summer series where the likes of aus and Ind should have done much better

Why is it okay for you to go back four years (reference to the India series) but wrong for me? England have been a mediocre side at home since 2012. They have shelled matches to South Africa, Pakistan, Australia, India, Sri Lanka and even West Indies.

They are a very beatable side at home, especially because English conditions are very neutral if there is not much swing on offer. The pitches are slow and do not offer much bounce.

 

[Mamoon]

ofcourse India are a better team at the moment.

Whenever two teams play there is almost always a favorite to win. Sometimes you may have a match with two teams that are very close in winning odds.

But if the non-favorite team wins it does not necessarly make it a fluke win or them non deserving of the win.

I know you talk about being a realist. This is what gets underneath people's skin. Your version of realism downplays all acheivements and highlights all the failures.

You are not a realist you are by definition a pessimist. There is a difference.

I never called the Lord's win a fluke. You cannot fluke Test matches.

 

[Mamoon]

Remind me again when did India last win a test series outside Asia?

This Indian side is a top team. They totally outplayed us in the West Indies, and they played very good cricket in South Africa. If a few things would have gone their way, they could have won the series.

They will outperform Pakistan in all countries except maybe England, since we are their bogey team and England usually turns up against them.

 

[Darkrai]

I thought we might lose 2-0 so it's not a bad result at all considering our test team is very young. However, it is very disappointing the way we lost the second test. It doesn't help that players like Sarfraz do nothing to contribute with the bat and so called experienced players can't seem to win us anything, at best they score some soft runs here and there. There is potential in this team but they still got a long way to go before they can challenge Aus or SA away.

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

I never called the Lord's win a fluke. You cannot fluke Test matches.

Of course you can fluke test matches. And a lot of fluke wins have happened in the past, now, and in the future.

A bit of weather here and there, a crucial toss, someone having an exceptionally good day and what not. It's not science, and it will always remain (as it should) a game of chance albeit favoring the higher skilled opponent more.

 

[Abdullah]

Why is it okay for you to go back four years (reference to the India series) but wrong for me? England have been a mediocre side at home since 2012. They have shelled matches to South Africa, Pakistan, Australia, India, Sri Lanka and even West Indies.

They are a very beatable side at home, especially because English conditions are very neutral if there is not much swing on offer. The pitches are slow and do not offer much bounce.

I'm looking at the last time the stronger teams toured and got owned. You just going as far back as possible to find a defeat

 

[Abdullah]

This Indian side is a top team. They totally outplayed us in the West Indies, and they played very good cricket in South Africa. If a few things would have gone their way, they could have won the series.

They will outperform Pakistan in all countries except maybe England, since we are their bogey team and England usually turns up against them.

Operation cover **** in progress.
2 weeks ago you knew what you know now and you still said Pak were going to get a beating in both games

Now people are saying let's see how India do and you are saying they will outperform us except maybe in England.

Lol

Btw ( I expect India to do well given matches are gonna go to late summer so don't think we can compare to early season performance- but I did say Pak would have a chance as they could roll England a couple of times and hopefully it would happen in the same game)

 

[Abdullah]

And India should be outperforming us as they don't have 6-7 players who have played 2-8 matches!!

 

[The_Odd_One]

This Indian side is a top team. They totally outplayed us in the West Indies, and they played very good cricket in South Africa. If a few things would have gone their way, they could have won the series.

They will outperform Pakistan in all countries except maybe England, since we are their bogey team and England usually turns up against them.

Is that the best you can come up with? I asked a simple question. How many series have they won outside Asia? There is no need to bring in trivial stuff like toss because the same argument can be used against them.

 

[Mamoon]

Is that the best you can come up with? I asked a simple question. How many series have they won outside Asia? There is no need to bring in trivial stuff like toss because the same argument can be used against them.

And I gave you your answer and also provided some context.

 

[The_Odd_One]

And I gave you your answer and also provided some context.

Since, they are such an awesome team and on a different level than Pakistan, doing better just is not acceptable. They still lost to a weak SA team and have not won a series in SA, Australia, England, and NZ in any of their last tours. Failed to win ODI WC, WT20 at home, and CT.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=137997]Abdullah[/MENTION]

They lost a Test to West Indies last year.

England are very inconsistent these days which makes them very beatable. People like to compare them to Pakistan but unlike Pakistan, they have a world class core who are not performing to their capacity due to various reasons.

They have the arsenal to be a top team but something is not clicking for them at this point.

There is no point in looking at how India does because there is no competition between Pakistan and India. They are a top side filled with world class players. They might lose to England (who are also a top side on paper) but that does not make us any better.

The difference in the rankings and results against all teams shows the gulf between Pakistan and India.

 

[Mamoon]

Since, they are such an awesome team and on a different level than Pakistan, doing better just is not acceptable. They still lost to a weak SA team and have not won a series in SA, Australia, England, and NZ in any of their last tours. Failed to win ODI WC, WT20 at home, and CT.

The current Indian team is better than the one that toured Australia and England in 2014. Their performance in South Africa showed that they are capable of winning overseas, although luck was not on their side.

Australia were pretty much invincible in the 2015 World Cup, but yes the WT20 2016 and the Champions Trophy 2017 were there for the taking. They got unlucky in both the lost games with dismissals of no-balls. Both Simmons and Fakhar were dismissed of no-balls before they went on to play match-defining knocks. Clearly, luck had deserted them.

Nonetheless, we are talking about Tests here. India is not the best ODI team in the world.

 

[The_Odd_One]

The current Indian team is better than the one that toured Australia and England in 2014. Their performance in South Africa showed that they are capable of winning overseas, although luck was not on their side.

Australia were pretty much invincible in the 2015 World Cup, but yes the WT20 2016 and the Champions Trophy 2017 were there for the taking. They got unlucky in both the lost games with dismissals of no-balls. Both Simmons and Fakhar were dismissed of no-balls before they went on to play match-defining knocks. Clearly, luck had deserted them.

Nonetheless, we are talking about Tests here. India is not the best ODI team in the world.

All I read is "luck" in your posts. Australia did not need luck to win 3 world cups in a row. Australia was not invincible in 2015, they lost to NZ.

 

[ManFan]

All I read is "luck" in your posts. Australia did not need luck to win 3 world cups in a row. Australia was not invincible in 2015, they lost to NZ.

Actually, AUS had the luckiest campaign in 99' besides Pakistan's in 92'.

They had to lose 1 game, just 1, out of something like 7-8 straight games and had wrong toss calls, dropped catches, brain fades, players coming into form, happen at the RIGHT time.

 

[Abdullah]

[MENTION=137997]Abdullah[/MENTION]

They lost a Test to West Indies last year.

England are very inconsistent these days which makes them very beatable. People like to compare them to Pakistan but unlike Pakistan, they have a world class core who are not performing to their capacity due to various reasons.

They have the arsenal to be a top team but something is not clicking for them at this point.

There is no point in looking at how India does because there is no competition between Pakistan and India. They are a top side filled with world class players. They might lose to England (who are also a top side on paper) but that does not make us any better.

The difference in the rankings and results against all teams shows the gulf between Pakistan and India.

I'm not denying the gulf + and there should be one when u look at caps.
I was merely pointing out how 1 week u said England will wipe the floor with Pak, to next week saying they have major issues and have not been that great at home (bayliss to be sacked etc) to now suggesting they will beat India who you say are a top top team, despite knowing conditions are going to be good for India.
You can just basically make it up as we go.

So moving on, what is it prediction for the England India series? And don't you think it is a bit of a disaster for India if they lose?

 

[Mamoon]

I'm not denying the gulf + and there should be one when u look at caps.
I was merely pointing out how 1 week u said England will wipe the floor with Pak, to next week saying they have major issues and have not been that great at home (bayliss to be sacked etc) to now suggesting they will beat India who you say are a top top team, despite knowing conditions are going to be good for India.
You can just basically make it up as we go.

So moving on, what is it prediction for the England India series? And don't you think it is a bit of a disaster for India if they lose?

It is a tough one. A long series usually benefits the home team, and if England lose again, a lot of careers will be on the line. I expect them to come out hard and I won't be surprised if they win the series.

It will be a disaster for India if they lose 5-0, but why would a 2-1 loss be disastrous?

 

[Mamoon]

Of course you can fluke test matches. And a lot of fluke wins have happened in the past, now, and in the future.

A bit of weather here and there, a crucial toss, someone having an exceptionally good day and what not. It's not science, and it will always remain (as it should) a game of chance albeit favoring the higher skilled opponent more.

There are too many variables in Test cricket. One incident, one decision and one stroke of luck does not influence Test matches. You have to do better than the opposition over the course of 15 sessions, and not just 20 or 50 overs.

 

[Hermoine Green]

There are too many variables in Test cricket. One incident, one decision and one stroke of luck does not influence Test matches. You have to do better than the opposition over the course of 15 sessions, and not just 20 or 50 overs.

The current Indian team is better than the one that toured Australia and England in 2014. Their performance in South Africa showed that they are capable of winning overseas, although luck was not on their side.

Australia were pretty much invincible in the 2015 World Cup, but yes the WT20 2016 and the Champions Trophy 2017 were there for the taking. They got unlucky in both the lost games with dismissals of no-balls. Both Simmons and Fakhar were dismissed of no-balls before they went on to play match-defining knocks. Clearly, luck had deserted them.

Nonetheless, we are talking about Tests here. India is not the best ODI team in the world.

Seems like contradictory statements.

 

[Abdullah]

It is a tough one. A long series usually benefits the home team, and if England lose again, a lot of careers will be on the line. I expect them to come out hard and I won't be surprised if they win the series.

It will be a disaster for India if they lose 5-0, but why would a 2-1 loss be disastrous?

It's a proper chance to put this away hoodoo (top sides) behind them.
England are a bit uncertain in a few areas
India are a top side and wickets they will play on are gonna help India by taking spin and being flat
India's batting bowling (spin and fast) fielding is all on par if not better than England
They have 5 matches so can even overturn an early set back and settle in to the series
I think they won't get a better chance than this.
Same later in aus who will be without Smith and warner

 

[Savak]

England were struggling in 2014 as well after the Ashes withwash of 2013, India won the first test match but England just badly bullied India from there onwards and the way Anderson made Kohli look like a school boy was a site to behold.

Pujara was expected to be the next big thing but his stocks suffered after that tour and he could no longer command a regular place in the team since then.

 

[Xoib]

The current Indian team is better than the one that toured Australia and England in 2014. Their performance in South Africa showed that they are capable of winning overseas, although luck was not on their side.

Australia were pretty much invincible in the 2015 World Cup, but yes the WT20 2016 and the Champions Trophy 2017 were there for the taking. They got unlucky in both the lost games with dismissals of no-balls. Both Simmons and Fakhar were dismissed of no-balls before they went on to play match-defining knocks. Clearly, luck had deserted them.

Nonetheless, we are talking about Tests here. India is not the best ODI team in the world.

Stop with this luck nonsense if Pakistan would have put England in to bat second test we would have whitewshed them if England had done that at Lord’s they would have returned the favour test cricket can change fortunes based on simple factors.India did not lose in South Africa because they were unlucky they lost because 3/4 innings they were 60 odd for 7 and needs the likes of BK and Pandaya to give some late order boost that is not being lucky that is batting incompetence.You are nothing but a complexed Indian brown noser.
India is a better test outfit then Pakistan and will perhaps beat us 6-7 times off 10 but that does not mean you belittle every Pakistan achievement and find excuses for India for all their failures.

 

[Mamoon]

Seems like contradictory statements.

The India-South Africa Test series was a unique case. The conditions were extremely bowling-friendly, and it was the only series in history where every single wicket fell.

As a result, chasing in the fourth innings was an impossible task and it was not a coincidence that the team who won the toss ended up winning each game comprehensively. Kohli was unlucky to lose two tosses, the result could easily have been the other way round.

However, usually, these instances do not play a significant role in the outcome of a Test match. There are too many variables and contributing factors to account for.

 

[Mamoon]

It's a proper chance to put this away hoodoo (top sides) behind them.
England are a bit uncertain in a few areas
India are a top side and wickets they will play on are gonna help India by taking spin and being flat
India's batting bowling (spin and fast) fielding is all on par if not better than England
They have 5 matches so can even overturn an early set back and settle in to the series
I think they won't get a better chance than this.
Same later in aus who will be without Smith and warner

I agree that this is undoubtedly India's greatest chance to win in England. They won in 2007, but the last two tours have been nightmarish.

 

[Mamoon]

Stop with this luck nonsense if Pakistan would have put England in to bat second test we would have whitewshed them if England had done that at Lord’s they would have returned the favour test cricket can change fortunes based on simple factors.India did not lose in South Africa because they were unlucky they lost because 3/4 innings they were 60 odd for 7 and needs the likes of BK and Pandaya to give some late order boost that is not being lucky that is batting incompetence.You are nothing but a complexed Indian brown noser.
India is a better test outfit then Pakistan and will perhaps beat us 6-7 times off 10 but that does not mean you belittle every Pakistan achievement and find excuses for India for all their failures.

India played very well in South Africa. Kohli was the top-scorer, and Shami was the joint leading wicket-taker alongside Rabada and Philander. There wasn't much between the two sides, but South Africa had the rub of the green because they won two tosses in a series where every single wicket fell, and chasing in the fourth innings was impossible.

India lost two Tests and South Africa lost one because India were made to chase in the fourth innings twice.

 

[Xoib]

India played very well in South Africa. Kohli was the top-scorer, and Shami was the joint leading wicket-taker alongside Rabada and Philander. There wasn't much between the two sides, but South Africa had the rub of the green because they won two tosses in a series where every single wicket fell, and chasing in the fourth innings was impossible.

India lost two Tests and South Africa lost one because India were made to chase in the fourth innings twice.

The batting conditions did not detioriate through the test matches so batting 4th is not a disadvantage in that series you are just finding excuses for your favourite team the reason they lost was none of the top 7 barring Kohli could hold a bat in the series

 

[The_Odd_One]

India played very well in South Africa. Kohli was the top-scorer, and Shami was the joint leading wicket-taker alongside Rabada and Philander. There wasn't much between the two sides, but South Africa had the rub of the green because they won two tosses in a series where every single wicket fell, and chasing in the fourth innings was impossible.

India lost two Tests and South Africa lost one because India were made to chase in the fourth innings twice.

Do not try to oversimplify it. Test conditions do not work like that. There are sessions which are good for bowling then there are some which are good for batting. Let's assume if India won the toss and the first two tests, would you have said SA lost because they were unlucky?

 

[Hasan123]

1-1 was a good achievement. But how we performed in the 2nd test was very disappointing. Yes it's a inexperienced team but their was no fight in our 2nd innings other than Usman. That is unacceptable and that's why fans are frustrated.

We will know more about the test team after the series in the UAE this year and the series in South Africa.