This, Let him play international odi and whatever rubbish t20 league he wants to play since BBL and The hundred are out of the question for him.
ODI may not matter to you but it matters to most people...
It matters to him and I exposed him on it and he ran away + my comments were edited.
I agree. But it's kinda funny.
Yep he is well past his prime there. No need to waste a spot.
Nothing comes close to ODI cricket, T20i is nowhere close. However test matches on balanced pitches between evenly match sides can top it.
That's factually incorrect. That use to be the case in the past where odi was the best format and most competitive while test was the most prestigious and t20 was a joke.
All Time ODI XI : 1) Saeed Anwar 2) Mohammad Rizwan+ 3) Babar Azam 4) Mohammad Yousuf 5) Zaheer Abbas 6) Imran Khan* 7) Shahid Afridi 8) Abdul Razzaq 9) Wasim Akram 10) Saqlain Mushtaq 11) Waqar Younis - A Perfect ODI Team that can defeat any All Time XI Team. Do you Agree ?Bowling : New Ball will be shared by Imran and Wasim. Followed by Waqar and Razzaq, Spin : Saqlain and Afridi.Pakistan
What is Rizwan doing as an opener in odi when he doesn't even open, And rizwan > Fakhar Zaman or Saim ayub in odi?Pakistan
? No Miandad and Inzi? Oh god .Zaheer Abbas was better than Inzi and Miandad as per Wisden’s ratings.What is Rizwan doing as an opener in odi when he doesn't even open, And rizwan > Fakhar Zaman or Saim ayub in odi?
Rizwan who avg 41, Sr 88 with only 3 centuries in 80+ odi games > Fakhar who has a higher avg, Higher sr, More centuries and more memorable and iconic knocks like ct final, 210, 193 vs SA, 180 vs Nz, 123 of 74 vs Nz in a world cup?
And saim ayub who already has 3 centuries against 2 top teams in their own den + a 53 ball century against Zimbabwe?
Zaheer Abass at 5
Your best odi 11 would be
1) Saeed Anwar
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Mohammed Yousaf
4) Javed Miandad
5) Inzimam ul Haq
6) Imran Khan
7) Shahid Afridi
8) Muhammad Rizwan (No choice, He's a keeper so I have to pick this chawal over razzaq smh)
9) Wasim Akram
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlain
Can't put saim cause he's too new, Ijaz also has to miss out.
Another possible 11 could be
1) Saeed Anwar
2) Shahid Afridi (Gets in due to bowling)
3) Yousaf
4) Miandad
5) Inzi
6) Imran Khan
7) Razzaq
8) Rizwan
9) Wasim
10) Waqar
11) saqlain.
Rizwan has no choice but to bat at no 8 and if inzi was captain he'd make him bat here.
He under no circumstances replaces anyone in the middle order or the top order. And he's too slow to play in the lower order.
He'd have to go back to his 2015 route where he use to bat at 6-8.
Pakistan ODI Team without Zaheer Abbas is a joke, his strike rate in 70s and 80s was about 84 which was amazingWhat is Rizwan doing as an opener in odi when he doesn't even open, And rizwan > Fakhar Zaman or Saim ayub in odi?
Rizwan who avg 41, Sr 88 with only 3 centuries in 80+ odi games > Fakhar who has a higher avg, Higher sr, More centuries and more memorable and iconic knocks like ct final, 210, 193 vs SA, 180 vs Nz, 123 of 74 vs Nz in a world cup?
And saim ayub who already has 3 centuries against 2 top teams in their own den + a 53 ball century against Zimbabwe?
Zaheer Abass at 5
Your best odi 11 would be
1) Saeed Anwar
2) Fakhar Zaman
3) Mohammed Yousaf
4) Javed Miandad
5) Inzimam ul Haq
6) Imran Khan
7) Shahid Afridi
8) Muhammad Rizwan (No choice, He's a keeper so I have to pick this chawal over razzaq smh)
9) Wasim Akram
10) Waqar Younis
11) Saqlain
Can't put saim cause he's too new, Ijaz also has to miss out.
Another possible 11 could be
1) Saeed Anwar
2) Shahid Afridi (Gets in due to bowling)
3) Yousaf
4) Miandad
5) Inzi
6) Imran Khan
7) Razzaq
8) Rizwan
9) Wasim
10) Waqar
11) saqlain.
Rizwan has no choice but to bat at no 8 and if inzi was captain he'd make him bat here.
He under no circumstances replaces anyone in the middle order or the top order. And he's too slow to play in the lower order.
He'd have to go back to his 2015 route where he use to bat at 6-8.
Zaheer Abbas is a good test cricketer but in odi he was a clown overseas. He was only good in English and pakistan conditons. Remove those conditons he's a 30 avg batter with a 65 to 75 SR give or take.Pakistan ODI Team without Zaheer Abbas is a joke, his strike rate in 70s and 80s was about 84 which was amazing
@Devadwal No 1 for pakistan not All time as in every country or every batsmen ever. Sabar karo.
Still remember @Monsee arguing with me ages ago how Zaheer Abbas was a superior ODI batsman than Sachin Tendulkar because the former averaged a little more, despite the fact that he played just 60 ODI innings compared to the latter's 452 innings to achieve that average.
Zaheer Abass's best feature is that he was aggressive for his era and was a positive batsmen. But that's it.
. He isn't anything special.
My first 11 is better, this 11 is just a placeholder.Pakistan
This Team will cause Nightmares to most of the Teams.Pakistan
You need an extra bowler its always good to go with 6 Bowlers
I agree but Pakistan has garbage wicket keepers plain and simple.
Theirs no choice. He is Pakistan's best keeper bat and hence I have to include him.Rizwan @Rana
Moin Khan, Rashid Latif were good wicket keepers, garbage started from Kamran Akmal in Pakistan. You can put Moin Khan instead of Rizwan if you feel he is not a good wicket keeper
AGAIN
He was only good in england and pk conditons, Garbage overseas plain and simple..how about you take a look at the world cups zaheer played in and why his best stats come in wc come from when he played in England and why he was a clown everywhere else.
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Zaheer Abass's best feature is that he was aggressive for his era and was a positive batsmen. But that's it.
He was unusually good in England and a certified flat track bully in pakistan but every where else he was a clown in odi and just awful.
The Asian bradman thing only applies to test cricket because despite being classy against spin in test, He was clueless against spin in odi overseas.
No clue why but that's just how it was.
Sachin is superior to him in all facets both test and odi included.
Sachin's competition in test is Kallis, Steve smith, Lara, sanga and many others, aka top 10 best test batters of all time.
While zaheer isn't even in the league of Younis Khan who is atleast 2 tiers below Sachin in test and one tier below dravid.
In odi sachin's competition is kohli, Pointing and a few others, however Sachin is marginally ahead imo in odi. Zaheer's competition in odi is the likes of Labu lol
You are clueless.He was only good in england and pk conditons, Garbage overseas plain and simple..how about you take a look at the world cups zaheer played in and why his best stats come in wc come from when he played in England and why he was a clown everywhere else.
What a hypocrite? Calls Travis head and htb and hates him + doesn't acknowledge his wtc England knock but loves zaheer Abbass for being a htb and loves his England conditons knock
This has changed now, its Richards, Kohli and Tendulkar.
Either way zaheer isn't close to Tendulkar and ik you have issues with miandad but miandad is still > Zaheer.
Anwar is Pakistan's best odi batsmen period. No one comes close to him. Anwar overseas record is massively impacted by his overall performance post his daughters death.
Kohli wouldn't be > Pointing if they batted in the same era. They'd be equal
I don't have issues with Miandad. I had issues with a certain obnoxious troll, who is no more here (you know who). Why would I have have issues with Miandad when he has always been respectful towards Sachin and Sunny? It's when an idiot disrespects Indian cricketers when I lost my mind.
Oh yeah, that clears things up. But genuinely though, Miandad is respected because he was what Misbah fans wanted Misbah to be but instead misbah ended up being a bottler.
I won't argue if someone puts Kohli ahead of Sachin as an ODI batsman. But no one surpasses Viv in ODI cricket, absolutely no one.
I remember Viv saying around the 1992 WC (he retired in 1991) that he'd pick Miandad to bat for his life.
Sachin > Kohli as an odi batter. They literally agreed that if Sachin batted in this era he'd have 80 to 90+ centuries.
Zaheer Abbas doesn’t have much experience to place him above Big Three : Yousuf, Miandad and Inzamam
I'm sorry!
YOU GUYS MISSING THIS POST I THINK...
Think Babar is better than Yousuf in ODIs. People talk about inflated stats with Babar, and Yousuf was inflated in ODIs against weaker sides. Tests Yousuf was better but not LOI.Pakistan
How?
Yousuf was the 3rd Highest Run Scorer in 2000s Where is Babar in 2010s ?
Yousuf, Inzimam and Younis Khan were not the type of players who would let others do the hard work in a tough run chase. It wasn’t their thing to just bat without urgency whilst hoping some other bloke plays a blinder.
Younis does not belong in this conversation, he was a mediocre ODI batsman, Babar is leagues ahead, Yoni might be better in a couple of aspects in ODIs but overall nowhere near Azam.
Yeah I don’t think I ever saw Younis as a player who didn’t play for his team first so he 100% fits in this conversation.
Yousaf 1st century
This guy ads101 is a closet RizBar promoter now. Before he was a more open and vocal one. A bit like Redwood Original who is now finally starting to see the light a bit but not as much as he should.
You can fit the worst Odi batsman there using this logic, if the question is regarding batsmanship, then Khan was way worse than Azam in odis.
Conversations like these convince me that you started watching cricket post covid cause
.Agree that Younis was poor compared to Babar. Babar is not a bad player his record is amazing in Australia unlike Younis who was an utter flop. Babar Azam can only be compared with the likes of players like Miandad, Yousuf and Inzamam. Check Babar’s Stats against Australia they were very impressive even though the sample size is small.
Younis Khan’s 101 v England at rose bowl without a bat sponsor is superior to every innings Babar has played in ODI cricket. Yeah include that jack@ss innings v NZ too in the 2019 World Cup where it was Harris Sohail who played the clutch knock and not him!
Babar being > YK in odi doesn't mean he's in distance of Yousaf, Inzi, Miandad as odi batters.
Doesn't express pacer support saim and supported haris over rizzu for t20?
Sorry you are right
Babar Scored 686 Runs @68.60 with 3 Centuries against Australia
which is impressive
2019 aus is a joke c side team playing on pindi consitons where imam ul haq was test bradman and odi Sachin in that series.Babar Scored 686 Runs @68.60 with 3 Centuries against Australia
Babar’s innings in England in general are very good too. But nothing is impressive if your team is still regularly getting whooped by the opposition. It means you are not playing the cricket that is good enough to dominate your opponent.Babar Scored 686 Runs @68.60 with 3 Centuries against Australia
I swear the last ODI series in Pakistan before the 2023 World Cup featured an Aussie pace attack of Stoinis, Cam Green and God knows who2019 aus is a joke c side team playing on pindi consitons where imam ul haq was test bradman and odi Sachin in that series.
Babar vs Australia in odi bilateral 2019 and 2024 =
Babar vs Australia in odi icc events, t20 or test games =
2024 aus didn't take Pakistan seriously.
lol why tag all those things on. I don’t know Pakistan politics very well at all and never claimed to. I hardly even know Pakistan at all I couldn’t even distinguish between the different regions. Heck I only know about KPK through cricket, I wouldn’t even know what it is otherwise.
He had a few good innings but he wasn’t as consistent like Babar. Take out minnows and weaker sides at the time and he averaged 37. He didn’t exactly do great in world cups either. Was never really regarded as contention for the best ODI batsman for any extended time either.
Babar started his ODI career in 2015? Babar also I believe has the second longest reign at no.1 in ODIs after Viv. So not necessarily the best way analyse a career on no. of runs, but I’m pretty sure Babar will come up pretty high post 2015. Again in no way am I saying Babar is even close to Kohli or viv etc. but I do think he’s better than yousuf.
Yousuf was quite a bit weaker in tests than he was in ODIs.
@Rana Do you agree that with the exception of Kohli in odi who is in the same class as lara, pointing and Sachin
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What do you honestly recon would be the average of Babar in the era of,@Rana Do you agree that with the exception of Kohli in odi who is in the same class as lara, pointing and Sachin
And with the exception of Steve smith in tests who I view as a superior test batter to all 3, no one in this era matches pointing, Sachin and lara In odi or test cricket even though these 3 avg 40, 42 and 45 and ironically sr even less then rizwan as their sr are 80, 79 and 86 respectively while Babar and rizzu are at 88 and 89?
The 2nd best test batter in this era is root and he is no where close to those 3. He can reach their only if he improves his performance against aus and the upcoming Ashes will decided which class he belongs into.
As for the 3rd best test batter Williamson, He isn't even in the same stratosphere as the mentioned 3 in test. He has a very poor overseas record and is the definition of a home stat padder. Don't get me wrong he's a solid test batter but pointing, lara and Sachin are > him.
In odi the best batter is Travis head atm and as much as I love him, he isn't in pointing class, not even close.
Yet pointing, lara and Sachin all avg and sr lower then Babar and rizwan. So does Yousuf.
Does that mean Babar and rizwan > Sachin, Lara, Pointing > Yousaf
This the logic that people use. Aka Babar is no 1 cause Pakistan never had a 50 avg batter at no 3.
I think it's good but I'd reverse it.
Who is better Moin Khan or Mohammad Rizwan
How does a chawwal like Rizwan pass the optics and personality Test in a time when Wasim, Waqar and Inzimam are calling the shots?
Can you explain who is better in a Pakistan XI ? Didn’t get you
Rizwan in home conditons in test is better and is better in every conditon then moin is except for NZ where their pretty much equal, But overall Rizwan is the better test keeper batsmen.
