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A new rule for bilateral series should be introduced for nations that don't want to play the series

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greatest said:
India should play Pakistan at any neutral venue. You can't be declared the best student in the class if you skip even one subject.

ICC should never grant India or Pakistan the top spot if they don't play against each other. Imagine if Pakistan stops touring Australia and ends up being the no.1 in the world.
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Citizen4 said:
ICC should make a new rule that just like ICC tournaments, if India don't want a pre-planned series with Pakistan, that means they have forfeited the series, and all winning points go to Pakistan directly, that would be ideal and fair for everyone.
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thoughts?
 
Yes, good idea.

And we should apply this rule retrospectively. That way teams like India, Pak, WI can be penalized for all the tours to SA they skipped during the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s during the apartheid regime.

Also, Pak hockey team should be ejected from FIH for skipping the Moscow Olympics in 1980.
 
English August said:
Yes, good idea.

And we should apply this rule retrospectively. That way teams like India, Pak, WI can be penalized for all the tours to SA they skipped during the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s during the apartheid regime.

Also, Pak hockey team should be ejected from FIH for skipping the Moscow Olympics in 1980.
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I'm talking about future not past. A lot of things happened in the past let past be past, I don't even wanna get into that discussion, talk about present and future rules
 
In a world that is run by sports and not politics, this suggestion would be ideal.
 
Good idea but how will it be implemented if India is the authority in ICC,as this will badly effect them and not anyone else.
 
Its not just the Pakistan-India situation - look at England refusing to play Zimbabwe.

The situation we have now where teams are picking and choosing who to play and who not to play due to political reasons must stop as it makes a mockery of the sport.
 
Markhor said:
Its not just the Pakistan-India situation - look at England refusing to play Zimbabwe.

The situation we have now where teams are picking and choosing who to play and who not to play due to political reasons must stop as it makes a mockery of the sport.
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also Australia and England did nakhray to visit Bangladesh
 
Which country playing cricket will need this idea??? So it won't be happening Though we all know that it would do good to cricket.
 
Zak_Fan said:
In a world that is run by sports and not politics, this suggestion would be ideal.
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it's a perfect solution to the political situation as well. If you don't wanna play, it's alright, it means you have forfeited, and the other team gets the points, simple and fair solution
 
If India can play the occasional ODI in a WC or the forthcoming CT in England, then why not a Test at any neutral venue of their choice. Weird Politicians!
 
Drreddymd said:
Bhai according to new icc rules even 1 test is considered a series. So u want points for 1 test against india
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bhai why not?! doesn't matter if it's only 1 match or 5 matches, if someone's not playing for whatever reason, that means forfeiture, and points directly to the other nation.
as simple as that.
 
greatest said:
If India can play the occasional ODI in a WC or the forthcoming CT in England, then why not a Test at any neutral venue of their choice. Weird Politicians!
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exactly, if ICC tournaments can have forfeiture rules, then why not the forfeiture rule in the bilateral series as well, which corresponds to ICC rankings
 
If the political climate is that worse than India should even boycott playing an ODI or a T20 whether it's any WC, CT or Asia Cup.
 
ICC has an ideal neutral venue in the form of Dubai. I agree with op. If teams cannot play at certain venues due to political reasons then the Dubai option should be applied. In a fair world, its outrageous how BCCI begs PCB to play Pakistan in their home matches at the World cup or elsewhere but refuses to play Pakistan the way it constantly has England, Australia and South Africa knocking on its door.

Enough is enough now
 
Citizen4 said:
it's a perfect solution to the political situation as well. If you don't wanna play, it's alright, it means you have forfeited, and the other team gets the points, simple and fair solution
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Completely fair and should be implemented to justify and back the rankings system.
 
Rana said:
ICC has an ideal neutral venue in the form of Dubai. I agree with op. If teams cannot play at certain venues due to political reasons then the Dubai option should be applied. In a fair world, its outrageous how BCCI begs PCB to play Pakistan in their home matches at the World cup or elsewhere but refuses to play Pakistan the way it constantly has England, Australia and South Africa knocking on its door.

Enough is enough now
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Bcci is simply doing the badmashi now, no fair rules for not playing a nation due to any reason, just give us points, it is a simple and fair formula
 
ask_analyse_act said:
Completely fair and should be implemented to justify and back the rankings system.
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If it's implemented in ICC tournaments, then why not in bilateral series as well which is directly related to ICC rankings. don't play, give us points instead, simple
 
PCB should push for such an amendment. After the rise of PSL, it will be very hard for the Cricketing world to take Pakistan lightly.
 
Rana said:
ICC has an ideal neutral venue in the form of Dubai. I agree with op. If teams cannot play at certain venues due to political reasons then the Dubai option should be applied. In a fair world, its outrageous how BCCI begs PCB to play Pakistan in their home matches at the World cup or elsewhere but refuses to play Pakistan the way it constantly has England, Australia and South Africa knocking on its door.

Enough is enough now
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Yes cannot buy the reason that govt is not allowing to play. Can play in India cannot play elsewhere is stupid
 
Citizen4 said:
If it's implemented in ICC tournaments, then why not in bilateral series as well which is directly related to ICC rankings. don't play, give us points instead, simple
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Untill now in bilaterals icc has no role. It is upto the boards only whom and when to play.

Suppose if icc takes over bilaterals also then icc rules apply
 
Drreddymd said:
Untill now in bilaterals icc has no role. It is upto the boards only whom and when to play.

Suppose if icc takes over bilaterals also then icc rules apply
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if two nations play or not, that's their business, but the rankings are under control of ICC, so this rule will be fair. ICC controlling the rankings and points fairly, not forcing anyone to play.
 
Citizen4 said:
if two nations play or not, that's their business, but the rankings are under control of ICC, so this rule will be fair. ICC controlling the rankings and points fairly, not forcing anyone to play.
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This rule only makes sense if you have a Test championship and all nations play each other equally.

But here we have a case where countries like Pakistan don't tour Aus/Eng/SA for 5 years. Bangladesh have hardly ever been invited for a tour, and WI never get a proper series. So in this environment, your suggestion would be quite pointless tbh.
 
Zak_Fan said:
This rule only makes sense if you have a Test championship and all nations play each other equally.

But here we have a case where countries like Pakistan don't tour Aus/Eng/SA for 5 years. Bangladesh have hardly ever been invited for a tour, and WI never get a proper series. So in this environment, your suggestion would be quite pointless tbh.
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you are again trying to divert the attention to fixtures, which the ICC can't force, but only thing under their control in the rankings, if two nations are not playing, for whatever reason, no matter who is playing who, forfeiture rules should be applied to bilateral series as well. Just like ICC tournaments, doesn't matter which team is playing which, if you're not playing that means other team wins, no matter who you are
 
Rana said:
ICC has an ideal neutral venue in the form of Dubai. I agree with op. If teams cannot play at certain venues due to political reasons then the Dubai option should be applied. In a fair world, its outrageous how BCCI begs PCB to play Pakistan in their home matches at the World cup or elsewhere but refuses to play Pakistan the way it constantly has England, Australia and South Africa knocking on its door.

Enough is enough now
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What about scenarios where teams cannot play at certain venues due to mistakes by corrupt and inept board?

Board should be banned for next 10-15 years imo.
 
Citizen4 said:
you are again trying to divert the attention to fixtures, which the ICC can't force, but only thing under their control in the rankings, if two nations are not playing, for whatever reason, no matter who is playing who, forfeiture rules should be applied to bilateral series as well. Just like ICC tournaments, doesn't matter which team is playing which, if you're not playing that means other team wins, no matter who you are
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Your whole point behind this argument is fair rankings.

But even if your demands are met, rankings will still not be fair when teams like Pakistan avoid tough tours for 5 years, Bangladesh don't get invites or WI don't get a proper series.

And to say that ICC can force the forfeiture and not teams playing each other as often is nonsense. Test Championship proposal was a proof that this could happen.
 
Citizen4 said:
if two nations play or not, that's their business, but the rankings are under control of ICC, so this rule will be fair. ICC controlling the rankings and points fairly, not forcing anyone to play.
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What should ICC do if a board somehow scares away teams by non-cricketing means to gain points?
 
FTP and bilateral point systems should be scraped altogether. This is getting annoying. ICC should conduct a tournament each year and there is IPL, and in the mean time boards are free to play whoever they want.
 
Rana said:
ICC has an ideal neutral venue in the form of Dubai. I agree with op. If teams cannot play at certain venues due to political reasons then the Dubai option should be applied. In a fair world, its outrageous how BCCI begs PCB to play Pakistan in their home matches at the World cup or elsewhere but refuses to play Pakistan the way it constantly has England, Australia and South Africa knocking on its door.

Enough is enough now
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BCCI will not play in the UAE because it is bookie central. England is a better choice.
 
The series is bilateral. Forcing another team to play is Unilateral.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Your whole point behind this argument is fair rankings.

But even if your demands are met, rankings will still not be fair when teams like Pakistan avoid tough tours for 5 years, Bangladesh don't get invites or WI don't get a proper series.

And to say that ICC can force the forfeiture and not teams playing each other as often is nonsense. Test Championship proposal was a proof that this could happen.
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lol we played a proper series against WI just last year in UAE, and currently playing it as well. We're playing Bangladesh next. We play every nation, it's a stupid argument that we run away. The tough tours logic is ignorant, there is a mutual agreement when will Pakistan visit a nation like Aus, NZ, Eng or SA. and it is followed as planned.
Whereas India, being as hypocritical as the are, refuse to play a bilateral and get away with the rankings, while play the ICC tournaments because they fear they get out of the tournaments, if there was such rule for ICC rankings as well, then India wouldn't be number 1, if forfeiture rules were applied
 
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Pakistan team should get forfeiture points like the womens team got

“Following consideration of written submissions from both the PCB and the BCCI, the ICC Technical Committee has ruled that the India Women’s team is deemed to have forfeited each of the three matches it was due to play against Pakistan in Round 6 of the ICC Women’s Championship, and that the associated points should be awarded to Pakistan,” said an ICC release

http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-...rfeit-pakistan-matches-to-finish-fifth/230388
 
Unless there is a ICC rule that each team must play every other team X number of times in Y number of years there cannot be any talk of what the OP is saying. There cannot be any such binding on any nation unless they are playing in ICC tournament.

Kuch Nahi Milega
 
Idle question: I'm wondering if Pakistanis would care about this topic if Pakistan was ranked say #3 and India was languishing at say #7.

Is this heartburn just because India is at #1?
 
English August said:
Idle question: I'm wondering if Pakistanis would care about this topic if Pakistan was ranked say #3 and India was languishing at say #7.

Is this heartburn just because India is at #1?
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Haha rightly said ! I think this has to do with a lot, If India was struggling and at the bottom of the rung - both in rankings and in ICC weightage - this discussion wouldn't take place.
Pakistani fans are like those little 5 year olds who keep pestering the 10 yr olds to let them play with them or they will complain to their parents.
Just let it go , when it happens , it happens - In champions trophy most likely .
 
In an ideal world this could only be implemented if you could force Australia and England to play Bangladesh and Zimbabwe regularly.

It isn't limited to India playing Pakistan.

Can you say with all honesty Australia will play Bangladesh and Zimbabwe and West Indies regularly and so will England?

No they won't.

Then it's not something that is feasible, because besides India, there are other 2 boards in the Big 3 that simply will not accept this loss of ranking points.

OP seems to think that only problem lies with India.

It also is not going to be acceptable to Australia and England.

And if you dock points of major 3 countries, you might as well say that Pakistan is controlling the ICC which is impossible.
 
It is all very difficult to implement. If two nations dont want to play each other in bilateral there is nothing anyone can do.
 
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