A regret that Virat Kohli may never play a Test match versus Pakistan!

[syedahsan]

As a sportsman you want to perform against every team to get that feeling of doing justice with one's talent and sports. Pakistan and Indian cricket is completely at halt and seeing the current political scenario I dont see any Indian or Pakistani player of this decade playing each other. They might even retire from cricket without even experiencing what this rivalry and the pressure brings out from these players when they are pitted against eachother.
In the past test series we have seen unknown became known and known were lost never to be seen. The test series between India Pakistan is the game changer if any player is lucky enough to be picked up for that series.
How Virat Kohli would have performed in those high intensity, electrifying, pressure like , unforgiving cricket boards, fans, media and their own families.
No test series can match the India Pakistan series.. What India Pakistan test series holds in cricketing world is second to none.

Would Virat Kohli get the feel of a complete cricketer as this facet will always be missing from his armory and will never be able to talk like his predecessors of what is the feel and pressure of an India Pakistan match.

 

[Rana]

I’m hoping, wishing we will see a Test series in our lifetime between Kohli, Babar, Bumrah, Shaheen.

You get the impression that things are starting to get better. Hopefully they will have some Tests against each other before they all retire

 

[tyron_woodley]

Would love to see a series tbh. Would be a good contest.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Personally I hope we don’t play India in tests until we’ve built a solid team.

Our main issue would be lack of quality pace bowlers especially on SC pitches. I can’t see our current bowling attack taking 10 wickets against India.

 

[Mamoon]

Assuming that he would have played Tests against Pakistan in addition to all the matches that he has played already,

He would have easily averaged 70+ against Pakistan with multiple big hundreds and double-hundreds. He would also win more Test matches as captain because Pakistan offer no threat to India in this era.

This is why people need to appreciate Kohli’s stats as batsman and captain even more. He has not had the opportunity to fill his boots against one of the weakest teams/attacks of his era unlike Steve Smith and other Fab 4 members.

Moreover, he has established himself as the most successful Asian Test captain of all time with 33 wins and counting, in spite of the fact that he has missed out on plenty of easy wins against Pakistan.

As I have said before, not playing regular bilateral cricket with India in this decade has been the best thing that has happened to the dignity of Pakistan cricket in this era.

A full series with India home and away every 2-3 years would have been enough for Pakistani fans to lose their interest in the game.

It is ironic that India has tried to hurt Pakistan by refusing to play cricket but in reality, they have actually saved Pakistan from serious embarrassment by refusing to play.

 

[MHN1293]

Assuming that he would have played Tests against Pakistan in addition to all the matches that he has played already,

He would have easily averaged 70+ against Pakistan with multiple big hundreds and double-hundreds. He would also win more Test matches as captain because Pakistan offer no threat to India in this era.

This is why people need to appreciate Kohli’s stats as batsman and captain even more. He has not had the opportunity to fill his boots against one of the weakest teams/attacks of his era unlike Steve Smith and other Fab 4 members.

Moreover, he has established himself as the most successful Asian Test captain of all time with 33 wins and counting, in spite of the fact that he has missed out on plenty of easy wins against Pakistan.

As I have said before, not playing regular bilateral cricket with India in this decade has been the best thing that has happened to the dignity of Pakistan cricket in this era.

A full series with India home and away every 2-3 years would have been enough for Pakistani fans to lose their interest in the game.

It is ironic that India has tried to hurt Pakistan by refusing to play cricket but in reality, they have actually saved Pakistan from serious embarrassment by refusing to play.

I hope india agree to play against pakistan in england. Will be a decently competitive series.

 

[Mesozoic]

I am not a big fan of Indo-Pak Test cricket to be honest. May be because of all those dull boring high scoring draws in our last two series in 2006-08.

ODI cricket still remains the format for this rivalry and it desperately needs the revival of Indo-Pak jamodis.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Moreover, he has established himself as the most successful Asian Test captain of all time with 33 wins and counting, in spite of the fact that he has missed out on plenty of easy wins against Pakistan.

You sound delirious. He established himself as the greatest Asian captain by creating a fortress in India, in spite of the fact that one of the major challengers of this era who could give a closer fight to India in India than SENA countries, they did not play?

They might still have won, but you take it for granted that our Misbah-led 2016 team would not have given them a challenge, and a much greater challenge at that than any other team from anywhere in the world has given them in India this decade.

If you insist that Pakistan was easy opposition this decade, (pre-Misbah and YK’s retiremnent), then you must also pretend that India’s number 1 ranking is a farce built upon bullying even easier than Pakistan, SENA teams at home.

What’s your pick? I know what mine is.

 

[szrana007]

I am not a big fan of Indo-Pak Test cricket to be honest. May be because of all those dull boring high scoring draws in our last two series in 2006-08.

ODI cricket still remains the format for this rivalry and it desperately needs the revival of Indo-Pak jamodis.

JAMODIS alone aren't enough for a rivalry. You need test cricket.

 

[szrana007]

Would love to see a series tbh. Would be a good contest.

Won't be a good contest at all in Asia. There is a reason that 38 matches between the two countries have ended in draws.

 

[Mamoon]

You sound delirious. He established himself as the greatest Asian captain by creating a fortress in India, in spite of the fact that one of the major challengers of this era who could give a closer fight to India in India than SENA countries, they did not play?

They might still have won, but you take it for granted that our Misbah-led 2016 team would not have given them a challenge, and a much greater challenge at that than any other team from anywhere in the world has given them in India this decade.

If you insist that Pakistan was easy opposition this decade, (pre-Misbah and YK’s retiremnent), then you must also pretend that India’s number 1 ranking is a farce built upon bullying even easier than Pakistan, SENA teams at home.

What’s your pick? I know what mine is.

Pakistan would be as competitive in India in this era as someone like Sri Lanka, which means not competitive at all. So no, I don’t believe Pakistan would have done better than SENA teams. I don’t view Pakistan as a major challenger to India in this decade.

During the Misbah era, Pakistan only played against one Asian team regularly and they often beat us comprehensively at home when they were full-strength, for example the 2014 whitewash where Herath almost pulled a Kumble on us.

Our batsmen were tormented by Herath through the decade and the likes of Ashwin/Jadeja would have done the same on Indian pitches. Apart from Younis and to an extent Misbah, hardly any batsman would be able to cope with them.

One can argue for Sarfraz when he had his 2014-15 purple patch, but the likes of Azhar, shafiq, Hafeez, Fakhar, Masood, Imam, Taufeeq etc. certainly wouldn’t have been able to cope.

The less said about our bowling, the better. Yasir would not be as effective against Indian batsman as he is or was against most others. And apart from him, our bowling has been hot garbage.

Speaking of the Misbah era, Sri Lanka was the only Asian team that played us in the UAE, and they were the only team that came agonizingly close of beating us in 2014.

As far as the number one ranking is concerned, we all know that we got the Mace due to a technicality, and that is why India managed to snatch it from our hands in a blink of an eye.

The reason Pakistan became number one is because the 4th Test between West Indies and India was washed out. If the match was played, India would most probably have won and we would have never become the number 1 team.

So we became number 1 not because of our own might but because of a favorable event elsewhere. In reality, we actually became number 2 because of our performances.

But if we played India regularly, we wouldn’t have managed to get into the top 4 to begin with.

Pakistan would have regularly suffered whitewashes in India in the Misbah era while the series in UAE would probably end 1-0 to India in 3 matches. Our batting would fare better and survive on UAE pitches, but our bowling would also struggle to take 20 Indian scalps.

The major problem for Pakistan is that our strengths do not work against India because they have similar strengths but operate at a higher level.

They have better batsmen for all conditions, better fast bowlers, better spinners and a better wicket-keeper for Asian tracks. There is no match between the two, Misbah era or not.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

And instead of derailing this thread, I would much rather focus on the beauty of the game and what this thread is actually about - Kohli should have faced all the major teams of his era and it should not be a mark on his legacy the way Tendulkar consistently dodged McGrath, Akram, and Younis at their peaks.

The fact remains, Kohli never faced Saeed Ajmal and Yasir Shah in Asian conditions, nor has he faced Mohammad Abbas. I am not making arguments or comparisons, to say that these names are better than the ones he did face. But they are indeed some of the more notable bowlers of this decade, and among the most notable of this decade in Asian conditions.

I remain a big big fan of Kohli as a player, but I do not want to wonder 30 years from now about how he might have fared in the UAE against Yasir Shah.

Rather, I should not have to wonder.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yes, I believe he missed a chance to whitewash Pakistan both home and away . Quite unfortunate that we dint have bilateral ties nowadays. Oh well.

 

[Hyperion66]

Lol people acting as if he is missing out on playing against bunch of ATGs. A team that lost to SL, WI and NZ at home isn't worthy of the king's attention. My point is not playing against Pak will have zero impact on his legacy. He scored truckloads of runs against far better bowlers and in conditions way more challenging than UAE.

 

[szrana007]

Yes, I believe he missed a chance to whitewash Pakistan both home and away . Quite unfortunate that we dint have bilateral ties nowadays. Oh well.

Easier said than done. There is a reason neither Pakistan nor India have been able to whitewash each other in a series. A strong Indian team in 2007 failed to whitewash a weak Pak team.

 

[szrana007]

Lol people acting as if he is missing out on playing against bunch of ATGs. A team that lost to SL, WI and NZ at home isn't worthy of the king's attention. My point is not playing against Pak will have zero impact on his legacy. He scored truckloads of runs against far better bowlers and in conditions way more challenging than UAE.

When did Pak lose a series to WI at home ? Matlab, kuch bi?

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

We all know he is an awesome player and can easily assume he would have done very well.

It is indeed a great miss. Him not having a test century against all test playing teams (like Younis or Tendulkar) and a chance of being far ahead in his run count than he has today.

Yet, he may have had a poor record against Pakistan and on a bigger level, Pakistan may have lifted their game against India as these two teams tend to do to come out trumps.

If's and but's.

An opportunity denied him though - as it is denied to peak Asif, Amir etc. Hope Babar gets a chance.

 

[Hyperion66]

When did Pak lose a series to WI at home ? Matlab, kuch bi?

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-west-indies-3rd-test-1050233/full-scorecard

Did I say 'Series' anywhere in my post?

 

[Mesozoic]

JAMODIS alone aren't enough for a rivalry. You need test cricket.

Why can't they be ? Test cricket was/will never be a thing for Indo Pak fans like it is for Aussies and the English. Apart from the Chennai 99 test, no casual fan remembers any memorable test between the two teams. Yes, it might be different for purists of the game but they're in a tiny minority.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Pakistan should never play India again.No regrets.

 

[ahsan17]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...s-west-indies-3rd-test-1050233/full-scorecard

Did I say 'Series' anywhere in my post?

I think you live in your own universe, where your own narrow and intentionally-crafted criterion define who's great and who's not. I have seen you do this before as well. Literally no one cares after a few weeks if just one match was lost to WI. England lost a game too, and it's barely mentioned now.

 

[Mesozoic]

Easier said than done. There is a reason neither Pakistan nor India have been able to whitewash each other in a series. A strong Indian team in 2007 failed to whitewash a weak Pak team.

Wickets have changed a lot from 2007. Even Irfan Pathan was smashing hundreds in that series. And Indian bowling is atleast two levels above what it was back then.

Not the same thing.

 

[szrana007]

Why can't they be ? Test cricket was/will never be a thing for Indo Pak fans like it is for Aussies and the English. Apart from the Chennai 99 test, no casual fan remembers any memorable test between the two teams. Yes, it might be different for purists of the game but they're in a tiny minority.

Bangalore 87, Kolkata 99 are two other great memorable matches between the two teams. Bottomline is there is no point to a LOI rivalry sans test matches.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol people acting as if he is missing out on playing against bunch of ATGs. A team that lost to SL, WI and NZ at home isn't worthy of the king's attention. My point is not playing against Pak will have zero impact on his legacy. He scored truckloads of runs against far better bowlers and in conditions way more challenging than UAE.

What else do you expect from fans who live in a fantasy world to feel better about themselves and their teams?

PSL bowling is better, Gayle failed so PSL bowling is better, India didn’t play Pakistan so they are not real number 1, India don’t play Pakistan in bilaterals because they are afraid of losing,

Pakistan was supposed to be the biggest threat to India in Tests in this decade, did I mention PSL bowling is better etc.

 

[szrana007]

Wickets have changed a lot from 2007. Even Irfan Pathan was smashing hundreds in that series. And Indian bowling is atleast two levels above what it was back then.

Not the same thing.

Wickets might have changed, but you never know in Indo Pak cricket. In 2005, Pak with an attack of Sami, Razzaq, Kaneria and Afridi managed to drew the series, when no one gave them a chance. Similarly in 2013 ODI series, India were firm favorites, but Pakistan managed to surprise them.

 

[Mobashir]

Why can't they be ? Test cricket was/will never be a thing for Indo Pak fans like it is for Aussies and the English. Apart from the Chennai 99 test, no casual fan remembers any memorable test between the two teams. Yes, it might be different for purists of the game but they're in a tiny minority.

Bangalore test when we won with just few balls to go and Balaji was trying everything to defend.
Karachi test with the comeback after that first over hat trick from young Pathan.
Mohali test- save that test.

I am sure Indians also remember, rate highly some of their wins even post 00's.

 

[Mobashir]

Lol people acting as if he is missing out on playing against bunch of ATGs. A team that lost to SL, WI and NZ at home isn't worthy of the king's attention. My point is not playing against Pak will have zero impact on his legacy. He scored truckloads of runs against far better bowlers and in conditions way more challenging than UAE.

Pakistan team wasn't good last decade but I think the opening poster meant it more because of the rivalry. Playing and scoring against Pakistan was a matter of pride for Indians and also the other way around.

Yeah will not change the legacy.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Okay, Pakistan is one of the top test playing nations currently and Kohli cries himself to sleep every-night for not being able to hone his skills by playing against them. Is that what you wanted to hear?

You can throw adjectives my way as many as you want but it doesn't change the fact one bit. You lost an entire frigging series at home against SL for crying out loud and you have the audacity to paint all these as one-offs?

So you started your previous post saying “nowhere in my post did I say xyz” and now you’re saying others on this thread believe Kohli cries himself to sleep every night?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Pakistan team wasn't good last decade but I think the opening poster meant it more because of the rivalry. Playing and scoring against Pakistan was a matter of pride for Indians and also the other way around.

Yeah will not change the legacy.

This. And the question of how he would have fared against the fastest bowler to 200 wickets, a spinner in Asian conditions, will always remain. If he would have dominated, we should feel he missed out. If it would have been a good battle, we should feel we missed out.

 

[MHN1293]

Similar to how his career has panned out he will dominate pakistan in his own backyard averaging 70 odd against them but ajmal and yasir would have tested him in the uae. Would have probably averaged 40 something outside india against pak ending up with an overall 50 plus average.

 

[Hyperion66]

Pakistan team wasn't good last decade but I think the opening poster meant it more because of the rivalry. Playing and scoring against Pakistan was a matter of pride for Indians and also the other way around.

Yeah will not change the legacy.

Pak team in the 80's were the most ruthless team against India, 90's and early 2000 they had one of the most star studded team around, I remember the envy I felt seeing Wasim, Anwar, Shoaib in full flow, till around 2011-12 they were pretty decent and competitive and then the actual decline started.

I as an Individual felt zero excitement during our last few encounters (Not specifically talking about tests here), it was as if watching different movies with the exact same script.

 

[szrana007]

Pak team in the 80's were the most ruthless team against India, 90's and early 2000 they had one of the most star studded team around, I remember the envy I felt seeing Wasim, Anwar, Shoaib in full flow, till around 2011-12 they were pretty decent and competitive and then the actual decline started.

I as an Individual felt zero excitement during our last few encounters (Not specifically talking about tests here), it was as if watching different movies with the exact same script.

Pakistan and India have only played 14 ODI's and 6-7 T20's in the last decade. Not a single test. Not sure what the big deal is? In fact the only time a bilateral series happened in the last decade, Pak won, so there is that you never know what you gonna get in Indo Pak cricket.

 

[kingusama92]

Let's be honest, he would have smashed Pakistan around the park in Pakistan/India. I have no doubt he would be averaging 60+ in those conditions.

The UAE would have been interesting but I don't think that's a challenge Kohli couldn't overcome in his prime.

It's a shame he hasn't had the opportunity to enjoy a few battles against Pakistan. Just the history and spotlight of these matchups are something else, especially when touring the other country.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

As a sportsman you want to perform against every team to get that feeling of doing justice with one's talent and sports.
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Kinda stopped reading after that.

Naw dude, Virat does not need to play test against Pakistan to “justify” his talent, or “feel” anything about his talent.

The guy is already an extraordinary player and the whole world knows it.

You are making it sound like as if Pakistan test team is the last frontier, lol.

And frankly speaking, OP’s like your’s kinda reek that shameless mentality that unconsciously indicates a subtle yearning of playing against India.

Nothing personal against the Indian team players, but the kinda cold shoulder the Indian govts have given to our various past PCB chairmen who were on their knees with a begging bowl, I firmly believe that Pakistan should only play India if their govt begs us. If not, we are good on our path and let them follow their path.

We should focus on developing our team stronger and stronger to become an intimidating force in world cricket.

Stop worrying about how Kohli “feels” about his talent if he didn’t play test against Pakistan (seriously, it’s laughable) and stop dreaming about playing India - and perhaps move on with dignity. Their board and their govt is not worth our time.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Considering the standard of pitches laid out historically in India-Pakistan matches, batsmen from both countries have missed out on a lot of runs and have missed a chance to boost their average.

On the contrary bowlers take a sigh of relief. Harbhajan, Zaheer, Akhtar, Kaneria and co all suffered heavily by playing these series.

 

[waleed88]

Assuming that he would have played Tests against Pakistan in addition to all the matches that he has played already,

He would have easily averaged 70+ against Pakistan with multiple big hundreds and double-hundreds. He would also win more Test matches as captain because Pakistan offer no threat to India in this era.

This is why people need to appreciate Kohli’s stats as batsman and captain even more. He has not had the opportunity to fill his boots against one of the weakest teams/attacks of his era unlike Steve Smith and other Fab 4 members.

Moreover, he has established himself as the most successful Asian Test captain of all time with 33 wins and counting, in spite of the fact that he has missed out on plenty of easy wins against Pakistan.

As I have said before, not playing regular bilateral cricket with India in this decade has been the best thing that has happened to the dignity of Pakistan cricket in this era.

A full series with India home and away every 2-3 years would have been enough for Pakistani fans to lose their interest in the game.

It is ironic that India has tried to hurt Pakistan by refusing to play cricket but in reality, they have actually saved Pakistan from serious embarrassment by refusing to play.

Well I have to disagree with that a little,

Considering that after the series we lost to India at home 2-1 in 2004, no one gave us a chance against THAT Indian side which is probably regarded as the best ever in Indian cricket (Yes the one that drew against the Mighty Australians in their home ground). The likes of Sehwag, Ganguly, Tendulkar, Laxman and Dravid with Dhoni coming in. We gave some insane performances in the 2005 series. Whether it be Kamran Akmal and Razzaq playing out the day to draw a test match. Younis Khan scoring a double century(?), Afridi producing some gems to win us the third test match.

Not only that the 2006 edition of that series that played at our home (regardless of those 2 boring draws in the first game), the Karachi test match produced an absolute classic. With Kamran Akmal playing a blinder after Pakistan losing 6 wickets for just 30 runs. Irfan Pathan's hatrick in the first 3 balls. And Mohammad Asif launching his career with knocking out most of the top names. Two of the deliveries from that series also featured in the ball of the century list on ESPN, with Asif knocking out Laxman at No.2.

I understand we might be a weaker unit since that era, and Kohli would probably average 70 like you said. But I still believe that there were a lot of names that really cemented their careers and made big names for themselves thereafter (Asif, Younis Khan, Kamran Akmal.

The 2007 series looked pretty one sided, but Misbah really performed well that series and provided some sort of stability after Inzamam left.

 

[waleed88]

Virat himself is a competitor, and he seems to gel well as a person with the Pakistani players. More so because he is someone who doesn't see them as a competition. From what I've seen from his interviews, he speaks highly of Mohammad Amir, and used to think Shoaib Akhtar was lethal even in his later years. I don't know if that is just flattery because he doesn't want to praise any Australian bowlers or not. But it is a contest that always gathers our imagination. Also, most Pakistanis seem to genuinely like Kohli. If Kohli gets a century and he gets a standing ovation in the Gaddafi stadium of Lahore, it will be great for the game, and will bring in more interest in cricket.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Virat himself is a competitor, and he seems to gel well as a person with the Pakistani players. More so because he is someone who doesn't see them as a competition. From what I've seen from his interviews, he speaks highly of Mohammad Amir, and used to think Shoaib Akhtar was lethal even in his later years. I don't know if that is just flattery because he doesn't want to praise any Australian bowlers or not. But it is a contest that always gathers our imagination. Also, most Pakistanis seem to genuinely like Kohli. If Kohli gets a century and he gets a standing ovation in the Gaddafi stadium of Lahore, it will be great for the game, and will bring in more interest in cricket.

Chills. That would be an amazing, amazing moment.

 

[Slog]

Pakistan would have beaten India in UAE in most of the Misbah era. Younis Khan would’ve made Ashwin and co cry.

However, Kohli’s era and dominance has primarily been post Misbah years so in that era they have been very good and we have been very bad so would have won then more likely.

 

[King_Kohli]

We are not Rivals anymore.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Pakistan would have beaten India in UAE in most of the Misbah era. Younis Khan would’ve made Ashwin and co cry.

However, Kohli’s era and dominance has primarily been post Misbah years so in that era they have been very good and we have been very bad so would have won then more likely.

Yea but Misbah vs Kohli's team would be a good contest. Would be very even in u.a.e but India probably wins in India.

Actually I am not sure if misbah's team can beat Dhoni's team who are massive home bullies as well. Dhoni's team would be even with misbah's in u.a.e.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan would have beaten India in UAE in most of the Misbah era. Younis Khan would’ve made Ashwin and co cry.

However, Kohli’s era and dominance has primarily been post Misbah years so in that era they have been very good and we have been very bad so would have won then more likely.

Younis would have scored runs against Indian bowlers in UAE but their batsmen would also score heavily on UAE pitches against Pakistan bowling.

It is no surprising that even during Misbah era, the team that gave Pakistan the toughest time in UAE apart from South Africa was Sri Lanka, and India are a far better side.

The problem for Pakistan is that they didn’t have the bowlers to take 20 Indian wickets on flat pitches. On flat pitches, their batsmen will outscore ours 9/10 times.

On the other hand, on rank-turners, Ashwin + Jadeja combo comfortably triumphs Yasir + whatever average second spinner we have picked in the last few years.

Also not to mention Indian pace attack has been better for years as well.

During Misbah era, England is the only venue where Pakistan could have beaten India in Test cricket. For some reason, our batsmen performed better than their Indian counterparts on English wickets during the Misbah era.

 

[CommonIndian]

It's a blessing in disguise for Pakistan. Currently, we will destroy Pakistan in any conditions in test cricket with or without Kohli.

 

[Slim]

Woud love to see an Indo Pakistan test, ODI and T20I series. God, our generation is so unlcuky in this department.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Our head to head stats against Pakistan hasn't changed ever since Kohli made his debut. And I guess it will remain the same even after Kohli retires. Sachin, Ponting and Lara played against legendary Pak bowling attacks where as Kohli couldn't even play 1 test against Pakistan.

 

[Rana]

Imagine Kohli's biggest regret was to not lift the IPL trophy with RCB instead of playing a Test against Pakistan? What a sad situation for cricket really.

 

[Rajdeep]

I think we will see an Indo-Pak test match before he retires. Maybe in a bilateral series or WTC final

 

[Hasan123]

It's not that big a deal. India would have beaten us comfortably and Kohli would have gotten some big scores

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistan would have beaten India in UAE in most of the Misbah era. Younis Khan would’ve made Ashwin and co cry.

However, Kohli’s era and dominance has primarily been post Misbah years so in that era they have been very good and we have been very bad so would have won then more likely.

And Indian batsmen wont score runs? Right?

 

[tyron_woodley]

It's not that big a deal. India would have beaten us comfortably and Kohli would have gotten some big scores

No no Misbah king would ruin India in Asia. Misbah's team is the best. Virat's team only won 29 out of 31 tests at home. Pretty poor compared to the outstanding Misbah ATG level team in Asia.

 

[Hasan123]

No no Misbah king would ruin India in Asia. Misbah's team is the best. Virat's team only won 29 out of 31 tests at home. Pretty poor compared to the outstanding Misbah ATG level team in Asia.

Even during Misbah reign we struggled against some bowlers and players like Azhar, Asad, and Sarfraz have collapsed under pressure against average bowlers .

Imagine what Ashwin and Jadeja would do lol.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Our head to head stats against Pakistan hasn't changed ever since Kohli made his debut. And I guess it will remain the same even after Kohli retires. Sachin, Ponting and Lara played against legendary Pak bowling attacks where as Kohli couldn't even play 1 test against Pakistan.

Kohli got lucky, his career will always be questioned after ducking our legendary bowling attack consisting of Faheem Ashraf, Musa Khan, Mohammad Husnain, and Shadab Khan

 

[Khan12]

Could care less.

 

[Rana]

Even during Misbah reign we struggled against some bowlers and players like Azhar, Asad, and Sarfraz have collapsed under pressure against average bowlers .

Imagine what Ashwin and Jadeja would do lol.

Oh yeah, and let’s forget Younis Khan’s ruthlessness to score big daddy hundreds on flat tracks or the sub continent.

Troll, but take all perspectives into account before making embarrassing statements.

 

[MP2011]

it should not be a mark on his legacy the way Tendulkar consistently dodged McGrath, Akram, and Younis at their peaks.

Are you for real?

When did Tendulkar dodge McGrath, Akram & WY? Tendulkar has played McGrath ample number of times during his career, won some battles and lost some, so basically evens stevens. So its better you follow his career first.

Also, it wasn't in his hands to organize series against Pakistan during Ws' peak years. lol, you make it sound he deliberately dodged playing against them.

 

[UzmanBeast]

I’m hoping, wishing we will see a Test series in our lifetime between Kohli, Babar, Bumrah, Shaheen.

You get the impression that things are starting to get better. Hopefully they will have some Tests against each other before they all retire

What we must accept is that there won't be a series for a while. The only way I think it will happen is if Pakistan takes the 2021 T20 World Cup, which will probably give India the only incentive to even think about having a series between the two teams. If we win the 2023 World Cup as well, it will make an even stronger message.

Basically, at the moment, unless Pakistan challenges the current big 3 nations and through performances paints a picture that it is better than some of the current big 3, then that will be the only reason there would even be an iota of thought given to the idea of a series between the two teams.

As a fan, I would love to see a series between the two teams, but I know better than to hope for something that won't happen in recent times.

 

[Titan24]

This thread has become a fantasy one by the looks of it.

On a serious note, its a shame that fans couldn’t see great player like Kohli in a bilateral series between the two countries and with PCB having FTP without India till 2027 means its not going to happen.

Irrespective of how well certain team did in the last decade, performing in Pak-India series was dream of players from both sides like Ashes is for Aus-Eng players, arguably maybe of more importance.

With the recent development in FTP, young players from both sides are up for similar fate possibly upto 2027 atleast.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Your posts are an embarrassment. You're literally another Mamoon and to any newbie they'd think you're his alt account.

We would have battered India during Misbah era when they were losing to bang average England teams at home.

No you wouldn't. Dhoni's team would beat or draw vs Pakistan in u.a.e. you have no chance in India in tests. You may win odi bilaterals though.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Woud love to see an Indo Pakistan test, ODI and T20I series. God, our generation is so unlcuky in this department.

I don't understand people's obsession with Pakistan-India matches.I am hoping Pakistan
never plays with India no matter how good or bad the teams are.India is not missing
anything by not playing Pakistan and the same is true for Pakistan.There are plenty of other
teams with which Pakistan can play.

 

[Rajdeep]

If Asia cup 2018 didnt happen, Pakistani posters would have said India is scared to play us in UAE and we would have battered India there. That series was a landmark in may ways.

 

[Rana]

If Asia cup 2018 didnt happen, Pakistani posters would have said India is scared to play us in UAE and we would have battered India there. That series was a landmark in may ways.

Oh yeah I forgot Asia cup 2018 was a Test series

 

[Varun]

...it should not be a mark on his legacy the way Tendulkar consistently dodged McGrath, Akram, and Younis at their peaks.

Sachin faced (and performed well) against McGrath in 1999 (away) and 2001 (at home). When was McGrath's peak anyway? He was good throughout.

And the current bunch that is the Pakistani line-up is barely comparable - ref. Kohli's "legacy".

 

[Markhor]

PAK-IND Tests are the most overrated encounters. Most of them have been played on lifeless pitches where you're more likely to strike gold in your garden than get a result.

The first two Tests of the 2006 series were 10 days of my life I'll never get back.

The only two decent series I've seen are 99 and 05.

 

[Rajdeep]

Oh yeah I forgot Asia cup 2018 was a Test series

More reason why India would beat Pakistan is a test series anywhere in planet earth let alone UAE. The longer the game...better team mostly wins. And there is no doubt which one is the better cricket team.

Pakistan would perhaps beat India in T20 series and can also upset in ODIs. But India would definitely win in test matches.

Your fast bowlers will be neutralized in UAE. Ashwin and Jadeja would eat Pak batsmen on those slow surfaces.

 

[Slim]

Oh yeah I forgot Asia cup 2018 was a Test series

Destroyed. I dont like the measuring contest thats happening now though. Its a lose lose for fans on both sides if these both dont play each other.

 

[Mamoon]

If Asia cup 2018 didnt happen, Pakistani posters would have said India is scared to play us in UAE and we would have battered India there. That series was a landmark in may ways.

If Asia Cup didn’t happen, Pakistani fans would have never believed that India would crush Pakistan in ODIs in UAE without Kohli.

These are the same fans who are now thumping their chests and stating that Pakistan would have “battered” India in Tests under Misbah.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Personally I hope we don’t play India in tests until we’ve built a solid team.

Our main issue would be lack of quality pace bowlers especially on SC pitches. I can’t see our current bowling attack taking 10 wickets against India.

Pakistan can't really Build a solid team with playing only a few matches in a year. Teams Like India play Twice or more test matches every year. Another big spoiler for test cricket was playing in UAE and not in Pakistan. Now that is changing but it depends how many test matches we get to play in Pakistan.

 

[Rana]

More reason why India would beat Pakistan is a test series anywhere in planet earth let alone UAE. The longer the game...better team mostly wins. And there is no doubt which one is the better cricket team.

Pakistan would perhaps beat India in T20 series and can also upset in ODIs. But India would definitely win in test matches.

Your fast bowlers will be neutralized in UAE. Ashwin and Jadeja would eat Pak batsmen on those slow surfaces.

India beating Pakistan in a Test series in England or Pakistan )

 

[The lone Ranger]

Would anyone regret not playing Zimbabwe? No
The same with Pakistan.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

The longer the game...better team mostly wins. And there is no doubt which one is the better cricket team.

Indeed, means tosses, pitches, conditions had nothing to do with India’s away loss in New Zealand - better team usually wins.

 

[ahmedzee]

I know! It is indeed a regret. I saw Azharuddin, Ganguly, Dravid, Tedulkar, Kumble play in Pakistan. Virat and Rohit are my top 2 Indian cricketers and it bothers me they won't be playing in Pakistan ever. It is a wish I hope we get atleast before they retire. For that the Indian govt has to be changed and a non extremist, non Hindutva regime in India has to be established.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Absolutely agree but for a good contest Amir must play. I doubt the likes of Naseem and Shaheen can pose a threat to him. The leg spinner would be destroyed.

Cannot match the SRT Vs Wasim, Saqlain, Waqar, Shoaib match up which was once in a lifetime but would be better than Sehwag Vs Akhtar, Gul, Rana, etc. one sided show.

 

[Saj]

The reality is that this will be the case for the next generation and who knows maybe several generations after that.

In fact it's impossible to predict when India and Pakistan will next play a Test match, which is such a shame for genuine cricket-lovers.

 

[Rajdeep]

Indeed, means tosses, pitches, conditions had nothing to do with India’s away loss in New Zealand - better team usually wins.

NZ at home are a better test team than us without a doubt. But Pakistan is a mercurial side who on his day can beat any team in shorter formats. But this unpredictibility is difficult to sustain over 5 days. BD and Afg for example always troubles us in shorter formats but the gulf gets wider when we play test matches. No way I am comparing Pak with Afg/BD but my point being better team would more often than not win a red ball game. You dont have to agree with me ofcouese and I have nothing to prove my point either as we will perhaps not witness a test match between these 2 sides for a very long time.

Also, the myth that Pak has upper hand in England is not true as well. Sure the duke ball will move and Pak seamers would trouble our batsmen a lot but your batsmen need to bat as well.

Hence I strongly believe India will beat Pakistan in a test series anywhere in globe. Shorter format can go either ways though.

 

[sharmaji]

I wish the same. That would mean it has to happen in the next 5 years.

I’m hoping, wishing we will see a Test series in our lifetime between Kohli, Babar, Bumrah, Shaheen.

You get the impression that things are starting to get better. Hopefully they will have some Tests against each other before they all retire

 

[cricketjoshila]

I know! It is indeed a regret. I saw Azharuddin, Ganguly, Dravid, Tedulkar, Kumble play in Pakistan. Virat and Rohit are my top 2 Indian cricketers and it bothers me they won't be playing in Pakistan ever. It is a wish I hope we get atleast before they retire. For that the Indian govt has to be changed and a non extremist, non Hindutva regime in India has to be established.

Cricket was stopped by Congress, 6 years before tye current govt came to power.

Any govt will be commiting harakiri if they try to upgrade relationship with pakistan, esp with Imran Khan.

 

[Slim]

I am honestly finding the attitude of some Indian posters quite distasteful and i can see how politics have creeped into the mindset on the everyday indian.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indo-pak series is a more realistic possiblity than Pakistanis in IPL in the medium term.

 

[Saj]

Guys keep it to cricket.

Kashmir etc discuss in the Time Pass Forum.

 

[ahmedzee]

Cricket was stopped by Congress, 6 years before tye current govt came to power.

Any govt will be commiting harakiri if they try to upgrade relationship with pakistan, esp with Imran Khan.

harakiri even if Imran Khan, since day 1 in power, wanted peace with India?