A Russian or Chinese world order is magnitudes time worse than western world order

[realitygaf]

Those often defending Russia and Chinese themselves are historically and culturally uneducated and looking at how the Russian and Chinese governments treat people when they are not in THE world order, they will be infinitely worse than western powers when in power and then everyone will be singing praises of the good days when us hegemony was in power. Be careful what you wish for . Uyghurs in China’s own homeland will look like paradise when they do come in power. Both counties are bereft of any faith as both live a largely faithless society, then you will see what happens when faithless in power looks like to the truest form

Be careful what you defend and wish for

 

[SpiritOf1903]

USA is better the devil you know

 

[LongHorn]

Russia isnt exactly faithless but I agree with what you say

It is sad to see so many Pakistanis support Russia just because "USA support Israel vs Palestine"

 

[PakLFC]

At least with the Americans being the super power we are free to celebrate our culture and express our views. Don't know what it would be like with the Russians or Chinese being in charge of the world As they say be careful what you ask for in case you get it!

 

[Zaz]

Those often defending Russia and Chinese themselves are historically and culturally uneducated and looking at how the Russian and Chinese governments treat people when they are not in THE world order, they will be infinitely worse than western powers when in power and then everyone will be singing praises of the good days when us hegemony was in power. Be careful what you wish for . Uyghurs in China’s own homeland will look like paradise when they do come in power. Both counties are bereft of any faith as both live a largely faithless society, then you will see what happens when faithless in power looks like to the truest form

Be careful what you defend and wish for

I dont think the countries from middle east would you agree with you on this..

For all their faults china and russia dont create havoc anywhere apart from on their borders

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It's definitely worse if you live in the west. I love it here, but I do realise that for us to be rich others have to be poor. That's how capitalism works.

 

[topspin]

Those often defending Russia and Chinese themselves are historically and culturally uneducated and looking at how the Russian and Chinese governments treat people when they are not in THE world order, they will be infinitely worse than western powers when in power and then everyone will be singing praises of the good days when us hegemony was in power. Be careful what you wish for . Uyghurs in China’s own homeland will look like paradise when they do come in power. Both counties are bereft of any faith as both live a largely faithless society, then you will see what happens when faithless in power looks like to the truest form

Be careful what you defend and wish for

Exactly.

This is why pro-China and pro-Russians are far more dangerous than Zionists. The Chinese and Russians are far more cruel than the present day Israel.

If you gave me a choice of living in Gaza or in a Chinese Uighur concentration camp, I would pick the former any day of the week, even though it's bleak in both places.

A lot of Muslims get these views from watching Russia Today and getting brainwashed by George Galloway who is a Russian/Chinese puppet.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Exactly.

This is why pro-China and pro-Russians are far more dangerous than Zionists. The Chinese and Russians are far more cruel than the present day Israel.

If you gave me a choice of living in Gaza or in a Chinese Uighur concentration camp, I would pick the former any day of the week, even though it's bleak in both places.

A lot of Muslims get these views from watching Russia Today and getting brainwashed by George Galloway who is a Russian/Chinese puppet.

Or maybe he just believes in socialism.

 

[leonidas_alexandar]

For me it is more a question of which society allows civil freedoms the most. In those societies where individual thought is given unfettered access to information and then subsequent action - we can see that it at least to some extent shapes governmental action.

Not only that - societies which experience personal freedoms historically have proved to be fountainheads of scientific discoveries, its people prove to be pioneers in music, culture and occupy the narrative zeitgeist which is how immigrants get attracted to these countries.

I still remember back when UK supported US's decision to attack Iraq in that infamous foreign policy disaster - close to a million British citizens came out to express their disapproval of the government's decision. That is powerful and since politicians at least fear their constituencies around the election times - these civil expressions of displeasure can dictate/impact government policy.

In dictatorships - obviously such civil action and energy is missing which obviously means lack of accountability and responsibility.

 

[Dingolfy]

I dont think the countries from middle east would you agree with you on this..

For all their faults china and russia dont create havoc anywhere apart from on their borders

Didn’t Russia meddle in the recent Syrian crisis? They definitely created havoc in Afghanistan and Vietnam.

 

[James]

Yes.

As much as I think western society gets a lot wrong, liberal democracy is messy, and western values are deeply flawed, at least I have the freedom to criticise all three and suffer no ill consequences for doing so; and, dissenting opinions may even be taken into account when looking to improve the culture.

If I don’t like the government, I can publicly or privately protest against it, or I can try and vote it out to replace it with another one, and as a result of this I will not be harmed; in some cases, I will even be encouraged to do so.

I wouldn’t swap out these rights.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Part of me sometimes pokes at the idea of China fully taking over the entire Pakistan and all it’s affairs in a way that Pakistan becomes another part of China -

All this crocodile tears of our culture and our heritage and our religion is just a topi drama.

What culture do we have left? Everyone copies west in order to look “cool n modern” (na teetar na batair). Fahaashi everywhere - what culture and what heritage are we talking about?
The nation is deeply divided based on languages, on geographics, in Shia suni, Qadri Chishti, Syed, Deobandi, Barailvi, Sindhi, mohajir balochi, Punjabi Pathan sareiki, Kashmiri, choudries, khans, Hashmi, and God knows whatnot.
And to top it off, every group thinks they are THE BEST of them all.

Laanut on such thinking and such culture that has created such deep divisions that after 75 years we still don’t have any unity to become ONE nation.
As they say, “Hur aadmi ney apni chaar eent ki masjid banaye hui hai.”

And then our religion?
For goodness sake. The way we practice our religion should be shameful enough.
Rampant corruption EVERYWHERE. What’s the point of displaying such arrogance and bringing disgrace to your religious guidance where you do EVERYTHING that is very strongly prohibited? And that too, on an astronomically mass scale.

I say, shove that munafiqat where the sun doesn’t shine - and let China rule over you.

At least it will bring millions above the poverty line.
I don’t see any point of having this munafiqat in the name of religion.
Those 2 to 5 percent who are honest and pious with their faith and religion, will continue to cling on it under the Chinese rule as well. It won’t be a problem.
Rest of the 95% who need a danda to be straighten out, will get it.


And these these mullahs who turn masses into blood thirst ashiqs and labbaik fanatics etc will be vanished too. There won’t be any drug trade on mazaars and if those charsies will be rehabbed.

IMO.
The more this nation remains free, the higher our debt will go, resources will keep on shrinking at a much higher rate than the population growth (currently its 3% population growth vs 0.5% resources growth).

One of the biggest problems is,
“Freedom” in our terms means, freedom to be corrupt, dishonest and unfaithful with no sense of shame or responsibility towards your country, your nation and towards your own inner self (Zameer). Freedom in our terms means, to remain above the law.
As a nation, we don’t even know what freedom even means?

And rightly so, because freedom is like a loaded gun, if you give to a monkey, it will probably shoot itself in the foot.

In the name of freedom, we have placed the supposedly, ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan at number140 on the scale of corruption.

Shame on our arrogance that we have displayed towards our clean religion, and shame on us to have totally destroyed our culture and our heritage - and shame on the excuse that “ohh we are only young nation and it will take us another 200 years to wake up.” I say put up or shut up!
And since u can’t put up, shut it.

We are better off letting China take it. It’s good for us. I sincerely mean it.

And then also, Pakistan becoming China will give a nice long shaft to India. I guarantee you, that all this filth of terrorism and bomb blasts in public areas, and this balochistsn azaadi, won’t happen. India won’t dare to even think about it.

You would hardly need to provide any security to touring cricket teams and international tourists.

 

[JaDed]

Well that’s true but sometimes competition is good, this is a good wake up call for the western led world order!

 

[JaDed]

@Colourblind Genius in that logic why not let Germany or Japan take over Pakistan why China?

 

[RajBan]

@Colourblind Genius in that logic why not let Germany or Japan take over Pakistan why China?

I think most Pakistanis will be ok under a Chinese rule. But they may not be comfortable with Japan or Germany as they don't have the same branding in Pakistan. The decades of postive branding and collaboration does matter.

Also Pakistan has land connectivity with China, so it makes easier for China to annex Pakistan if both parties agree.

 

[topspin]

Part of me sometimes pokes at the idea of China fully taking over the entire Pakistan and all it’s affairs in a way that Pakistan becomes another part of China -

All this crocodile tears of our culture and our heritage and our religion is just a topi drama.

What culture do we have left? Everyone copies west in order to look “cool n modern” (na teetar na batair). Fahaashi everywhere - what culture and what heritage are we talking about?
The nation is deeply divided based on languages, on geographics, in Shia suni, Qadri Chishti, Syed, Deobandi, Barailvi, Sindhi, mohajir balochi, Punjabi Pathan sareiki, Kashmiri, choudries, khans, Hashmi, and God knows whatnot.
And to top it off, every group thinks they are THE BEST of them all.

Laanut on such thinking and such culture that has created such deep divisions that after 75 years we still don’t have any unity to become ONE nation.
As they say, “Hur aadmi ney apni chaar eent ki masjid banaye hui hai.”

And then our religion?
For goodness sake. The way we practice our religion should be shameful enough.
Rampant corruption EVERYWHERE. What’s the point of displaying such arrogance and bringing disgrace to your religious guidance where you do EVERYTHING that is very strongly prohibited? And that too, on an astronomically mass scale.

I say, shove that munafiqat where the sun doesn’t shine - and let China rule over you.

At least it will bring millions above the poverty line.
I don’t see any point of having this munafiqat in the name of religion.
Those 2 to 5 percent who are honest and pious with their faith and religion, will continue to cling on it under the Chinese rule as well. It won’t be a problem.
Rest of the 95% who need a danda to be straighten out, will get it.


And these these mullahs who turn masses into blood thirst ashiqs and labbaik fanatics etc will be vanished too. There won’t be any drug trade on mazaars and if those charsies will be rehabbed.

IMO.
The more this nation remains free, the higher our debt will go, resources will keep on shrinking at a much higher rate than the population growth (currently its 3% population growth vs 0.5% resources growth).

One of the biggest problems is,
“Freedom” in our terms means, freedom to be corrupt, dishonest and unfaithful with no sense of shame or responsibility towards your country, your nation and towards your own inner self (Zameer). Freedom in our terms means, to remain above the law.
As a nation, we don’t even know what freedom even means?

And rightly so, because freedom is like a loaded gun, if you give to a monkey, it will probably shoot itself in the foot.

In the name of freedom, we have placed the supposedly, ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan at number140 on the scale of corruption.

Shame on our arrogance that we have displayed towards our clean religion, and shame on us to have totally destroyed our culture and our heritage - and shame on the excuse that “ohh we are only young nation and it will take us another 200 years to wake up.” I say put up or shut up!
And since u can’t put up, shut it.

We are better off letting China take it. It’s good for us. I sincerely mean it.

And then also, Pakistan becoming China will give a nice long shaft to India. I guarantee you, that all this filth of terrorism and bomb blasts in public areas, and this balochistsn azaadi, won’t happen. India won’t dare to even think about it.

You would hardly need to provide any security to touring cricket teams and international tourists.

Very easy to say whilst you're enjoying the comforts of living in the West.

Ask the Uighurs whether they would prefer to live under Chinese or Western rule.

This is by far the most idiotic post I've ever read on PP and believe me I've read many.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

@Colourblind Genius in that logic why not let Germany or Japan take over Pakistan why China?

Germany and Japan are welcome if they want to give it a shot. That said, I can't speak on behalf of Pakistanis as I am not one. Would be good for the nation to have some order imposed, whether that comes from China or Germany.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

@Colourblind Genius in that logic why not let Germany or Japan take over Pakistan why China?

Germany or Japan are too nice and humane. The length and thickness of the shaft that China will give to India from its newly northwestern border will be unbeatable.

 

[Technics 1210]

If people think the right to criticise the government is a yardstick for humanity, freedom, and liberalism, then boy, you have low standards.

 

[LaLoco]

Those often defending Russia and Chinese themselves are historically and culturally uneducated and looking at how the Russian and Chinese governments treat people when they are not in THE world order, they will be infinitely worse than western powers when in power and then everyone will be singing praises of the good days when us hegemony was in power. Be careful what you wish for . Uyghurs in China’s own homeland will look like paradise when they do come in power. Both counties are bereft of any faith as both live a largely faithless society, then you will see what happens when faithless in power looks like to the truest form

Be careful what you defend and wish for

Generalized emotional comment devoid of reality.

World as we know has become multipolar every since China became relevant due to their economy.

As far as I know, most are not defending Russia's actions, rather most are highlighting the hypocrisy of the west when the narrative is compared with what has the west done in the ME and other countries. And, those with agenda, will present highlighting this very hypocrisy as support for Russia's actions.

Moltov cocktail used by Muslims to defend against the aggressor is labelled as an act of terrorism while the same used by Ukranian is act of defending their nation.

China is not in the business of invading, China influence is economy driven, China wants and hope for a stabilize world but they do not wish to be the "policeman" of the world either nor they want to influence the Election of the USA, UK, France, any of the western world or any part of the world.

What China is doing to Uyghurs should be condemned but lets not confuse that with China will start invading other countries in the name of democracy.

 

[LaLoco]

Fareed Zakaria says the US has made a strategic error with Russia:


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[Technics 1210]

Generalized emotional comment devoid of reality.

World as we know has become multipolar every since China became relevant due to their economy.

As far as I know, most are not defending Russia's actions, rather most are highlighting the hypocrisy of the west when the narrative is compared with what has the west done in the ME and other countries. And, those with agenda, will present highlighting this very hypocrisy as support for Russia's actions.

Moltov cocktail used by Muslims to defend against the aggressor is labelled as an act of terrorism while the same used by Ukranian is act of defending their nation.

China is not in the business of invading, China influence is economy driven, China wants and hope for a stabilize world but they do not wish to be the "policeman" of the world either nor they want to influence the Election of the USA, UK, France, any of the western world or any part of the world.

What China is doing to Uyghurs should be condemned but lets not confuse that with China will start invading other countries in the name of democracy.

You are wasting your time. The OP doesn’t realise that 90% of the tech he has is made in China. Nuff said.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Very easy to say whilst you're enjoying the comforts of living in the West.

Ask the Uighurs whether they would prefer to live under Chinese or Western rule.

This is by far the most idiotic post I've ever read on PP and believe me I've read many.

I know, but this was only an idea with merits that IMO, far outweigh its demerits.

You may think differently and I have no issue with it. We are only having a discussion.

But comparing Uighurs with Pakistanis, IMO, is not a fair call either. They are not equal on the scale of corruption and dishonesty.

Pakistan was created in the name of RELIGION. And if we really meant it then, we should’ve been number 1 on the scale of honesty - not 140.

Now that we know that our religious slogans and our religious chest thumping is a sheer form of hypocrisy, we need to shift our focus in finding solution for those 10s of millions of Pakistanis who are absolutely miserably living in poverty.
There are no jobs, no income and the very basic necessities of life are out of reach. Small kids are put to labor all over the country to hardly earn a one time meal.
What’s the point of our mosques being fully filled on Friday prayers and we attend Hajj in millions and we have Ashiqs and labbaiks roaming all over the country?

There is no point in having such practice of your faith. I think the Chinese will provide better governance and eradicate much of the filth that we do as Pakistani Muslims.

 

[Major]

Part of me sometimes pokes at the idea of China fully taking over the entire Pakistan and all it’s affairs in a way that Pakistan becomes another part of China -

All this crocodile tears of our culture and our heritage and our religion is just a topi drama.

What culture do we have left? Everyone copies west in order to look “cool n modern” (na teetar na batair). Fahaashi everywhere - what culture and what heritage are we talking about?
The nation is deeply divided based on languages, on geographics, in Shia suni, Qadri Chishti, Syed, Deobandi, Barailvi, Sindhi, mohajir balochi, Punjabi Pathan sareiki, Kashmiri, choudries, khans, Hashmi, and God knows whatnot.
And to top it off, every group thinks they are THE BEST of them all.

Laanut on such thinking and such culture that has created such deep divisions that after 75 years we still don’t have any unity to become ONE nation.
As they say, “Hur aadmi ney apni chaar eent ki masjid banaye hui hai.”

And then our religion?
For goodness sake. The way we practice our religion should be shameful enough.
Rampant corruption EVERYWHERE. What’s the point of displaying such arrogance and bringing disgrace to your religious guidance where you do EVERYTHING that is very strongly prohibited? And that too, on an astronomically mass scale.

I say, shove that munafiqat where the sun doesn’t shine - and let China rule over you.

At least it will bring millions above the poverty line.
I don’t see any point of having this munafiqat in the name of religion.
Those 2 to 5 percent who are honest and pious with their faith and religion, will continue to cling on it under the Chinese rule as well. It won’t be a problem.
Rest of the 95% who need a danda to be straighten out, will get it.


And these these mullahs who turn masses into blood thirst ashiqs and labbaik fanatics etc will be vanished too. There won’t be any drug trade on mazaars and if those charsies will be rehabbed.

IMO.
The more this nation remains free, the higher our debt will go, resources will keep on shrinking at a much higher rate than the population growth (currently its 3% population growth vs 0.5% resources growth).

One of the biggest problems is,
“Freedom” in our terms means, freedom to be corrupt, dishonest and unfaithful with no sense of shame or responsibility towards your country, your nation and towards your own inner self (Zameer). Freedom in our terms means, to remain above the law.
As a nation, we don’t even know what freedom even means?

And rightly so, because freedom is like a loaded gun, if you give to a monkey, it will probably shoot itself in the foot.

In the name of freedom, we have placed the supposedly, ISLAMIC republic of Pakistan at number140 on the scale of corruption.

Shame on our arrogance that we have displayed towards our clean religion, and shame on us to have totally destroyed our culture and our heritage - and shame on the excuse that “ohh we are only young nation and it will take us another 200 years to wake up.” I say put up or shut up!
And since u can’t put up, shut it.

We are better off letting China take it. It’s good for us. I sincerely mean it.

And then also, Pakistan becoming China will give a nice long shaft to India. I guarantee you, that all this filth of terrorism and bomb blasts in public areas, and this balochistsn azaadi, won’t happen. India won’t dare to even think about it.

You would hardly need to provide any security to touring cricket teams and international tourists.

do you live in Pakistan?

 

[Major]

@Colourblind Genius in that logic why not let Germany or Japan take over Pakistan why China?

as an overseas minority, he is no different than the other overseas who want shariah law back home.

Funny thing is, these lot that dont live here what everything imposed on us who live in this country.

 

[LaLoco]

as an overseas minority, he is no different than the other overseas who want shariah law back home.

Funny thing is, these lot that dont live here what everything imposed on us who live in this country.

What?

That is what you got from his post? lol

Want corrupt politician and supporters such as yourself need to be out of Pakistan. Because apparently only shaft will make someone like you to stop supporting Bilo's and Zardari's of Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

as an overseas minority, he is no different than the other overseas who want shariah law back home.

Funny thing is, these lot that dont live here what everything imposed on us who live in this country.

Aren't you one of those who complains most on here about life in Pakistan? Surely you and the likes of [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would be happy to see Chinese efficiency and laws implemented in your country?

 

[Major]

What?

That is what you got from his post? lol

Want corrupt politician and supporters such as yourself need to be out of Pakistan. Because apparently only shaft will make someone like you to stop supporting Bilo's and Zardari's of Pakistan.

we can support anyone we want. Who is an overseas that ran away from his country to question us?

Overseas that dont live here dont understand the problems here, who dont even know anything about the political landscape of this country have the audacity to pass comments

 

[Major]

Aren't you one of those who complains most on here about life in Pakistan? Surely you and the likes of [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] would be happy to see Chinese efficiency and laws implemented in your country?

I do complain, because this is a country where we were born and we live in. And unlike the Indians, we dont hide our problems because of blind nationalism.

And we complain when the govt is able to deliver on what it promised.

Why would we be happy with Chinese taking over? Many of our laws or ordinances that are being passed which are anti democratic are chinese backed already.

This is same as I as a Pakistani sit around and make comments that UK should be under dictatorship so that they get a danda. Bhai, I dont even live in UK nor are they of my concern, so why would i go on passing comments and having wishful thinking for a land where I dont even live.

lets us decide how we wanna live and what we want.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

What?

That is what you got from his post? lol

Want corrupt politician and supporters such as yourself need to be out of Pakistan. Because apparently only shaft will make someone like you to stop supporting Bilo's and Zardari's of Pakistan.

lol. you can imagine the mental intellect. He believes China taking over Pakistan will bring Sharia Law into Pakistan.

 

[LaLoco]

we can support anyone we want. Who is an overseas that ran away from his country to question us?

Overseas that dont live here dont understand the problems here, who dont even know anything about the political landscape of this country have the audacity to pass comments

Bro, you said, "Shariah", and you are questioning my knowledge regarding Pakistan's politics.

You believe, either Bilo and the PML-N singer will be the next PM of Pakistan and yet you question my knowledge.

Yea, question my 'audacity' but do not worry, I wish and hope for a Pakistan where people like you have a voice and to pass the comments, even it is dumbest of all dumbest comments.

 

[Major]

Bro, you said, "Shariah", and you are questioning my knowledge regarding Pakistan's politics.

You believe, either Bilo and the PML-N singer will be the next PM of Pakistan and yet you question my knowledge.

Yea, question my 'audacity' but do not worry, I wish and hope for a Pakistan where people like you have a voice and to pass the comments, even it is dumbest of all dumbest comments.

like i said, as an overseas you dont understand Pakistani politics yet love to go around make comments on a political parties that enjoy provincial govts and senate seats...

Before going around calling others dumb, do bother to understand the politics of the country. 0 knowledge and yet have the audacity to call others dumb.

And this comment is coming at a time when the govt in power doesnt even have a majority

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I do complain, because this is a country where we were born and we live in. And unlike the Indians, we dont hide our problems because of blind nationalism.

And we complain when the govt is able to deliver on what it promised.

Why would we be happy with Chinese taking over? Many of our laws or ordinances that are being passed which are anti democratic are chinese backed already.

This is same as I as a Pakistani sit around and make comments that UK should be under dictatorship so that they get a danda. Bhai, I dont even live in UK nor are they of my concern, so why would i go on passing comments and having wishful thinking for a land where I dont even live.

lets us decide how we wanna live and what we want.

You can pass whatever comments you like on the UK, I don't mind. I will listen and correct your perceptions where necessary or agree with you when you make a good point.

I don't live in Pakistan, but when I hear so many bad things about it from those who live there, I just want you to have something better.

 

[Major]

You can pass whatever comments you like on the UK, I don't mind. I will listen and correct your perceptions where necessary or agree with you when you make a good point.

I don't live in Pakistan, but when I hear so many bad things about it from those who live there, I just want you to have something better.

I have accepted the fact that in my life the better aint gonna come... The country suffers from an identity crises, maybe once that gets solved than they can move forward.

 

[LaLoco]

like i said, as an overseas you dont understand Pakistani politics yet love to go around make comments on a political parties that enjoy provincial govts and senate seats...

Before going around calling others dumb, do bother to understand the politics of the country. 0 knowledge and yet have the audacity to call others dumb.

And this comment is coming at a time when the govt in power doesnt even have a majority

Clearly you are hurt after getting called out for making a comment that had nothing to do with the topic.

Majority or no Majority, i am merely highlighting your comment that you made about Bilo and the singer of PML-N to be future PM once IK retired, lets keep it to that.

But if you want to talk about the majority and how it will help Bilo and the queen of calibri to be the next PM of pakistan then we can discuss that too.

I did not call you dumb, called your comment dumb, would help to learn the difference.

And obviously you are not qualified to make comments about other nations as you believe a person working as a bartender job earning avg salary from it in Europe could afford a BMW

You want to go back to how China will bring about Sharia in Pakistan, lol

 

[Major]

Clearly you are hurt after getting called out for making a comment that had nothing to do with the topic.

Majority or no Majority, i am merely highlighting your comment that you made about Bilo and the singer of PML-N to be future PM once IK retired, lets keep it to that.

But if you want to talk about the majority and how it will help Bilo and the queen of calibri to be the next PM of pakistan then we can discuss that too.

I did not call you dumb, called your comment dumb, would help to learn the difference.

And obviously you are not qualified to make comments about other nations as you believe a person working as a bartender job earning avg salary from it in Europe could afford a BMW

You want to go back to how China will bring about Sharia in Pakistan, lol

Children pretending to be experts on the net....

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have accepted the fact that in my life the better aint gonna come... The country suffers from an identity crises, maybe once that gets solved than they can move forward.

Dude, you're still upset because PPP are not in power and you dont benefit any longer because of this.

On topic.

What is a WORLD ORDER?

Russia and China are no longer expansionist nations.

The war on terror killed 4 million in 20 years. Ask the family members , they would suggest Russia and China being the only superpoweres, their family members would still be alive.

 

[LaLoco]

Children pretending to be experts on the net....

Lol!

Adult is upset for questioning comments, resorting to calling name and not addressing the point made in the post, real mature.

 

[Major]

Dude, you're still upset because PPP are not in power and you dont benefit any longer because of this.

On topic.

What is a WORLD ORDER?

Russia and China are no longer expansionist nations.

The war on terror killed 4 million in 20 years. Ask the family members , they would suggest Russia and China being the only superpoweres, their family members would still be alive.

yes plz tell me how i benefit from it....

On topic,

what about the islamic terrorist that have killed many others? Were they suppose to be just let of and coexist?

 

[KingKhanWC]

yes plz tell me how i benefit from it....

On topic,

what about the islamic terrorist that have killed many others? Were they suppose to be just let of and coexist?

Ill let you figure it out.

Pakistan has been the biggest victim of terrorism. Are you a Muslim? If so you should know Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Al-Qaada and TTP are funded, supported and given weapons by Nato.

Russia and China have not supported terrorists against Pakistan.

 

[topspin]

I know, but this was only an idea with merits that IMO, far outweigh its demerits.

You may think differently and I have no issue with it. We are only having a discussion.

But comparing Uighurs with Pakistanis, IMO, is not a fair call either. They are not equal on the scale of corruption and dishonesty.

Pakistan was created in the name of RELIGION. And if we really meant it then, we should’ve been number 1 on the scale of honesty - not 140.

Now that we know that our religious slogans and our religious chest thumping is a sheer form of hypocrisy, we need to shift our focus in finding solution for those 10s of millions of Pakistanis who are absolutely miserably living in poverty.
There are no jobs, no income and the very basic necessities of life are out of reach. Small kids are put to labor all over the country to hardly earn a one time meal.
What’s the point of our mosques being fully filled on Friday prayers and we attend Hajj in millions and we have Ashiqs and labbaiks roaming all over the country?

There is no point in having such practice of your faith. I think the Chinese will provide better governance and eradicate much of the filth that we do as Pakistani Muslims.

LOL this is beyond absurd.

You realise Chinese are anti-religion?

Why on earth would any rational Muslim want them ruling over their land?

Also, I didn't compare Uighurs to Pakistanis. You're just trying to deflect from what the reality the Uighurs face on a daily basis in China.

The Chinese are a far more cruel and inhumane regime, so please give this nonsense a rest.

 

[Major]

Ill let you figure it out.

Pakistan has been the biggest victim of terrorism. Are you a Muslim? If so you should know Islam has nothing to do with terrorism. Al-Qaada and TTP are funded, supported and given weapons by Nato.

Russia and China have not supported terrorists against Pakistan.

al qaeda and ttp funded by Nato?

Islam may not have nothing to do with terrorism, but the guys blowing themselves up were muslims

 

[KingKhanWC]

al qaeda and ttp funded by Nato?

Islam may not have nothing to do with terrorism, but the guys blowing themselves up were muslims

Al Qeada were supported in Syria by CIA, MI6 , its common news now. lol TTP same, inc India.

The guys supporting the 'Muslims' were white and brown Indians. Please keep up .

 

[Colorblind Genius]

LOL this is beyond absurd.

You realise Chinese are anti-religion?

Why on earth would any rational Muslim want them ruling over their land?

Also, I didn't compare Uighurs to Pakistanis. You're just trying to deflect from what the reality the Uighurs face on a daily basis in China.

The Chinese are a far more cruel and inhumane regime, so please give this nonsense a rest.

lol, look, lets be honest here.

Just think about it in rationale terms.

Once we stand at number 140 on scale of honesty, exactly what religiosity are we worried about, that Chinese will choke?

 

[Manunited18]

al qaeda and ttp funded by Nato?

Islam may not have nothing to do with terrorism, but the guys blowing themselves up were muslims

They can't be muslims if their blowing themselves up.

 

[topspin]

lol, look, lets be honest here.

Just think about it in rationale terms.

Once we stand at number 140 on scale of honesty, exactly what religiosity are we worried about, that Chinese will choke?

No I'm worried Chinese will enforce their intolerance to religion and their backward values to Muslims and everyone else in Pakistan.

I for one do not want to see my Pakistani brothers and sisters in concentration camps. I would not wish that upon anyone, not even to my worst enemy.

 

[Major]

They can't be muslims if their blowing themselves up.

Whether you like it or not they were.

 

[mazkhan]

If anyone thinks russians and Chinese love muslims they are deluded.

They hate muslims more just look at what china has done it has erased islam in China they have done worse than indians have done to kashmiris , you have uighur women forced to marry a second husband who is a Chinese living in the same house a Muslim uighur man has to share his wife and house with a han Chinese.

Russians have been killing muslims in a brutal way for centuries ,the Russian army are pussycats in Ukraine their country has been made a pariah state in a few days their currency and economy has crashed and they still want talks with the west , yet the west didn't bat an eyelid when they were killing millions In Afghanistan and killing thousands in Syria and russians showed no mercy to Afghans chechens and Syrians absolute turned the countries to rubble and in ukraine they are moving around like pussycats and surrendering to ukranian grandads and grannies

 

[KingKhanWC]

If anyone thinks russians and Chinese love muslims they are deluded.

They hate muslims more just look at what china has done it has erased islam in China they have done worse than indians have done to kashmiris , you have uighur women forced to marry a second husband who is a Chinese living in the same house a Muslim uighur man has to share his wife and house with a han Chinese.

Russians have been killing muslims in a brutal way for centuries ,the Russian army are pussycats in Ukraine their country has been made a pariah state in a few days their currency and economy has crashed and they still want talks with the west , yet the west didn't bat an eyelid when they were killing millions In Afghanistan and killing thousands in Syria and russians showed no mercy to Afghans chechens and Syrians absolute turned the countries to rubble and in ukraine they are moving around like pussycats and surrendering to ukranian grandads and grannies

1. Erased from China? Please show me some evidence.

2. Russia saved Syria from Nato and wiped out ISIS. Russians targetted Al-Qaeda and ISIS. Most Syrians see them as defenders.

Where do you get this from or are you just making things up?

 

[Manunited18]

Whether you like it or not they were.

It's not about me, but in Islam it's clearly prohibited to commit suicide.

 

[Manunited18]

If anyone thinks russians and Chinese love muslims they are deluded.

They hate muslims more just look at what china has done it has erased islam in China they have done worse than indians have done to kashmiris , you have uighur women forced to marry a second husband who is a Chinese living in the same house a Muslim uighur man has to share his wife and house with a han Chinese.

Russians have been killing muslims in a brutal way for centuries ,the Russian army are pussycats in Ukraine their country has been made a pariah state in a few days their currency and economy has crashed and they still want talks with the west , yet the west didn't bat an eyelid when they were killing millions In Afghanistan and killing thousands in Syria and russians showed no mercy to Afghans chechens and Syrians absolute turned the countries to rubble and in ukraine they are moving around like pussycats and surrendering to ukranian grandads and grannies

I think you will find out that there's approximately between 25-40 thousand mosques in China, so if that's the case then that shows they are a tolerant society.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

They can't be muslims if their blowing themselves up.

What I have always admired is how efficiently the security forces find intact passports and nationalities in a jiffy It is as if a whole written scrip is getting "executed" lol

Also, Christian, Hindu or atheist etc. terrorists do not exist. As a matter of fact the concept of terrorism only started when Islam came /s

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

How about "no world order"?

Let everyone live their pathetic lives in peace and get along?

 

[Manunited18]

What I have always admired is how efficiently the security forces find intact passports and nationalities in a jiffy It is as if a whole written scrip is getting "executed" lol

Also, Christian, Hindu or atheist etc. terrorists do not exist. As a matter of fact the concept of terrorism only started when Islam came /s

Absolutely.

 

[realitygaf]

I think you will find out that there's approximately between 25-40 thousand mosques in China, so if that's the case then that shows they are a tolerant society.

Since 2020, China has partially or completely destroyed 19,000 of those mosques and they are just beginning to flex their power https://www.reuters.com/world/china...-strives-build-beautiful-xinjiang-2021-05-13/

 

[Manunited18]

Since 2020, China has partially or completely destroyed 19,000 of those mosques and they are just beginning to flex their power https://www.reuters.com/world/china...-strives-build-beautiful-xinjiang-2021-05-13/

Reuters, LOL. There's more mosques in China than most of western Europe put together.

 

[realitygaf]

I think you will find out that there's approximately between 25-40 thousand mosques in China, so if that's the case then that shows they are a tolerant society.

Reuters, LOL. There's more mosques in China than most of western Europe put together.

Are you saying China has not removed 19,000 mosques ?

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opini...am-is-a-mental-illness-that-needs-to-be-cured

 

[PetroDollars]

China kept some mosques, sure. To lock up muslims as torture centre's and slaughter pigs and feed them there. Other then that they have no use.

 

[Manunited18]

Are you saying China has not removed 19,000 mosques ?

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opini...am-is-a-mental-illness-that-needs-to-be-cured

We have muslim countries all around the world with issues internally, yet China a non muslim country who in general are a tolerant country, with freedoms for majority of the minorities who are doing exeptionaly well . Any issues with the minorities is blown well out of proportion as certain countries have issues with China doing so well. With that certain media channels/groups are on the same script to demonise the Chinese.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

We have muslim countries all around the world with issues internally, yet China a non muslim country who in general are a tolerant country, with freedoms for majority of the minorities who are doing exeptionaly well . Any issues with the minorities is blown well out of proportion as certain countries have issues with China doing so well. With that certain media channels/groups are on the same script to demonise the Chinese.

That is so blatantly true I'm surprised anyone even argues it these days. I have no idea what goes on in China, but I've seen this demonisation of regimes to soften them up for an aggressive act for decades now. Yet like sheep the public still seem to lap it up.

Capitalism relies on dominance of the market, anyone who challenges our hegemony is seen as a threat. Britain can't call the shots, but we can follow on US coat tails and try to mop up the leftovers.

 

[Manunited18]

That is so blatantly true I'm surprised anyone even argues it these days. I have no idea what goes on in China, but I've seen this demonisation of regimes to soften them up for an aggressive act for decades now. Yet like sheep the public still seem to lap it up.

Capitalism relies on dominance of the market, anyone who challenges our hegemony is seen as a threat. Britain can't call the shots, but we can follow on US coat tails and try to mop up the leftovers.

It's a shame, we'd be much better off with forming a strong relationship with china, but I guess Yanks call all the shots in the west.

 

[Technics 1210]

Just look at how much Russia and China have progressed in the past 20 years, and compare with the decline of the West in the same period.

Western values are a myth.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

It's a shame, we'd be much better off with forming a strong relationship with china, but I guess Yanks call all the shots in the west.

Please also know that Pakistan should move forward with caution. China has no "sympathy" or "emotional attachment" with Pakistan.
They simply mean business that's beneficial ONLY and ONLY to them.

Every country is like that, I know. But we need to make sure not expect any favors from anyone.

International politics is a dog eat dog game. Everyone is on their own.
Even Israel has been caught so many times spying on USA (it's godfather).

If Pakistanis truly want to move forward, the VERY FIRST STEP is to eradicate this rampant corruption and dishonesty in their own house. Without that, nothing good can, or will happen, no matter who is your international alliance.

 

[Manunited18]

Please also know that Pakistan should move forward with caution. China has no "sympathy" or "emotional attachment" with Pakistan.
They simply mean business that's beneficial ONLY and ONLY to them.

Every country is like that, I know. But we need to make sure not expect any favors from anyone.

International politics is a dog eat dog game. Everyone is on their own.
Even Israel has been caught so many times spying on USA (it's godfather).

If Pakistanis truly want to move forward, the VERY FIRST STEP is to eradicate this rampant corruption and dishonesty in their own house. Without that, nothing good can, or will happen, no matter who is your international alliance.

I meant UK, that's what Captain was referring to. But I do get your point regarding Pakistan, as a Brit of Pakistani background I do want to see Pakistan prosper and I completely agree with you regarding Pakistan and its close links with China which is good in many ways, but like you said Pakistan needs to get its house in order by mainly eradicating the biggest issue, CORRUPTION. Once it controls or even eliminates that only then they can prosper.

I do think China does mean business with Pakistan and in Imran they see a genuine leader who is willing to see Pakistan prosper at all costs which also enables the Chinese to secure their goals. Also with the west trying to influence in the region by strengthening India's position to counter China.

Conclusion, I do see Pakistan China forming a very strong and progressive relations because off the points above.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Please also know that Pakistan should move forward with caution. China has no "sympathy" or "emotional attachment" with Pakistan.
They simply mean business that's beneficial ONLY and ONLY to them.

Every country is like that, I know. But we need to make sure not expect any favors from anyone.

International politics is a dog eat dog game. Everyone is on their own.
Even Israel has been caught so many times spying on USA (it's godfather).

If Pakistanis truly want to move forward, the VERY FIRST STEP is to eradicate this rampant corruption and dishonesty in their own house. Without that, nothing good can, or will happen, no matter who is your international alliance.

Corruption needs to be eradicated regardless of who Pakistan does business with, that is really an internal matter. China and Pakistan are ideologically on different wavelengths, but again, Pakistan and France are on different wavelengths, that doesn't mean they can't do trade where it is beneficial to both sides.

Both Pakistan and China will have some shared benefits from trade routes, they could pursue those assuming conditions are favourable. That would be the same if it was any other country. The only thing to be mindful of is getting on the wrong side of the western cabal. That could be costly, but at the same time, they aren't going to give much of a crap about Pakistan's prosperity, neither are they as well placed geographically to work with Pakistan like China is.

 

[daytrader]

China Exports to Russia Boom in Return to Near Pre-War Highs

Chinese exports to Russia are back near levels seen before the Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine, propelling a rebound in trade that’s helped cool off a historic rally in the ruble.

Russia bought $6.7 billion of goods in July from China, an increase of more than a third from the previous month and up by more than an annual 20%. By contrast, its imports from Russia -- which surged in March-May -- rose only slightly last month after a drop in June, according to data from China’s customs authority.

Chinese goods are filling the niche left by the exodus of western brands after the war with Ukraine prompted sweeping financial and trade sanctions against Russia.

The isolation has catapulted products such as vehicles manufactured by the likes of Great Wall Motor Co. and Geely Automobile Holdings Ltd. to the ranks of Russia’s best-selling cars, with their market share more than doubling from last year.

The revival of demand for Chinese exports is playing out in the currency market. Trading volumes in the yuan-ruble pair increased to the highest ever last month as local demand for the Chinese currency surged.

With Russian consumer spending on the mend, the influx of foreign goods is taking some pressure off the ruble by reviving demand for hard currencies. In July, the ruble was the worst performer in emerging markets with a loss of 13% against the dollar.

Surging prices for Russia’s commodity products, in combination with the collapse of imports, had contributed to a surplus of foreign exchange that powered the ruble.

Still, growth in sales from Russia into China has started to lag behind. Following Russia’s diversion of crude to Asia from European customers, oil shipments to China have come down from their post-invasion peak.

Bloomberg

 

[Robert]

I dont think the countries from middle east would you agree with you on this..

For all their faults china and russia dont create havoc anywhere apart from on their borders

This hasn’t aged well.

In any event USSR invaded many countries.

China is doing it economically rather than militarily and will by the latter half of this century be throttling democracies across the Indo-Pacific, Africa and South America.

 

[Technics 1210]

But it's ok for Amreeka to invade countries through military and economic means because Amreeka is a White Christian country? Of course.

 

[Gilly]

But it's ok for Amreeka to invade countries through military and economic means because Amreeka is a White Christian country? Of course.

Its not America's fault, its those pesky little zoinists fault.

 

[Robert]

Its not America's fault, its those pesky little zoinists fault.

Or the lizard men.

Wait, are they the same people?

 

[gani999]

Can't believe that some people here actually prefer a dictatorial and autocratic world order by the Russians and Chinese.
Only goes to show that some people are still stuck in the medivial, follow-my-leader attitude.

Western style democracy is the best way, all its ills notwithstanding.

 

[Technics 1210]

Western Liberals who claim to promote peace but support war, will not admit their hypocrisy.

They support White rule. This is blatantly obvious.

No wonder liberalism is dying an ignominious death - and quite rightly.

 

[daytrader]

US secures deal on Philippines bases to complete arc around China

The US has secured access to four additional military bases in the Philippines - a key bit of real estate which would offer a front seat to monitor the Chinese in the South China Sea and around Taiwan.

With this deal, Washington has stitched the gap in the arc of US alliances stretching from South Korea and Japan in the north to Australia in the south.

The missing link had been the Philippines, which borders two of the biggest potential flashpoints, Taiwan and the South China Sea, or the West Philippine Sea as Manila insists on calling it.

The US already had limited access to five sites under the Enhanced Defense Cooperation Agreement (EDCA) - the new additions and expanded access, according to a statement from Washington, will "allow more rapid support for humanitarian and climate-related disasters in the Philippines, and respond to other shared challenges", likely a veiled reference to countering China in the region.

The statement came after Defence Secretary Lloyd Austin met Philippine President Ferdinand "Bongbong" Marcos Jr in Manila on Thursday.

The US hasn't said where the new bases are but three of them could be on Luzon, an island on the northern edge of the Philippines, the only large piece of land close to Taiwan - if you don't count China.

The deal, which in part reverses the US' departure from their former colony more than 30 years ago, is no small matter.

"There is no contingency in the South China Sea that does not require access to the Philippines," says Gregory B Poling, director of the Southeast Asia programme at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

"The US is not looking for permanent bases. It's about places, not bases."

...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-64479712

 

[SalimBhai]

Can't believe that some people here actually prefer a dictatorial and autocratic world order by the Russians and Chinese.
Only goes to show that some people are still stuck in the medivial, follow-my-leader attitude.

Western style democracy is the best way, all its ills notwithstanding.

It’s the same people who are living in the western world. Move to China or Russia. Let’s see how that goes. West has many issues , but to compare it to China or Russia is absurd.

 

[Robert]

Can't believe that some people here actually prefer a dictatorial and autocratic world order by the Russians and Chinese.
Only goes to show that some people are still stuck in the medivial, follow-my-leader attitude.

Is it religious - do dictators such as Putin and Xi Jinping remind them of how they think a Caliph behaves?

 

[Robert]

It's a shame, we'd be much better off with forming a strong relationship with china, but I guess Yanks call all the shots in the west.

No. Our democratic institutions would slowly degrade over decades, and we would eventually become a dictatorship.

Our way to peace and prosperity in the 21st century is closer re-integration with the liberal democratic states of the EU. We have much to offer them with our entrepreneurial spirit and capable military.