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A Tribute to Legendary Clive Lloyd - Where did he rank overall?

Harsh Thakor

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Today the cricket world celebrates the 75th birthday of Clive Lloyd who was was without doubt amongst the greatest cricketers to have set foot on a cricket field.Few cricketers ever did so much to re-shape the destiny of the nation as Clive.His contribution was reminiscent of an emperor rebuilding a kingdom and build an invincible empire.Few batsmen ever bated with a greater sense of responsibility or shouldered a crisis so resolutely.I can also hardly name a skipper after the war who could surpass the batting consistency of Clive as a captain.The sight of this giant figure stooping down to the wicket with a bat will be entrenched in my mind ever.He virtually carried the bat like a bludgeon.The cricket world never had a greater father figure or greater motivators of men.He was not the best of tacticians but a pure motivator I can only place Ian Chappell or Imran Khan in the same bracket.Clive won 36 out of 74 tests which is statistically only behind Steve Waugh.Responsible for probably creating the bets ever side in the history of test cricket.Galvanized or marshalled his resources like perhaps none ever did.It was Clive Lloyd's spirit that embodied the resurgence of West Indies cricket. Above all also a great sportsman who respected opponents like when congratulating India when winning the 1983 world cup.



Clive was not the most stylish,elegant or technically correct batsmen but I can hardly name many batsmen who were more entertaining or hit the ball with such ferocious power.A blow from his bat could send the best of deliveries over the rope.What was remarkable that although he never sacrificed his instinct for attacking strokeplay he wast he ultimate champion in a crisis to repair the damage like Alan Border,Steve Waugh or Javed Miandad.



To me his 102 in the 1975 world cup final is still the best innings ever played in a world cup and from the point of view of domination one of the 5 bets knocks ever in ODI cricket .He simply took domination in batting to regions of divinity combining the explosive or remorseless power of a canon or a tank with the skill of an architect and temperament of a soldier.He simply resembled a tiger tearing flseh against the best ever pace pair in the history of cricket which was Lillee-Thomson.I can never forget his hook shot of Lillee and some of his glorious drives.As the innings progressed the intensity of his strokeplay increased like a sea continuously getting more turbulent.Above all it won West Indies the inaugural world cup.



In India in 1974-75 Lloyd ripped the heart of the greats spin attack ever of Bedi-Chandra-Prasanna exhibiting some of the most imperious strokeplay ever seen in India.His 163 at Bangalore and unbeaten 242 at Mumbai won the series for his team.It was a sight to behold watching Lloyd dance down the pitch.



In Australia in 1975-76 he topped the batting averages scoring 469 runs at an average of 46.90 including 2 centuries,facing the best or most lethal pace duo ever in Lillee and Thomson.Inspite of facing a ferocious barrage of bouncers Lloyd fought like a soldier on alien territory or a boulder resisting a gale.It was sight to behold witnessing Clive counter attack Lillee and Thomson who broke the ribcage of any batting line up.In my view no batsmen ever played the pair of Lillee-Thomosn at their quickest,better.



He was not consistent as a batsmen in WSC in Australia but was responsible for West Indies winning their 1st unofficial series in Australia by winning the supertests series 2-1 and thus the unofficial world test title.In that period he knitted a bunch of talented individuals into a world-beating side .With the dilgence of a surgeon he worked on al the weaknesses facing West Indies cricket.That renaissance in West Indies cricket took place during the 1976 tour of England when Lloyd adopted the strategy of adopting only pace bowlers in the attack and vanquished their opponents 3-0.In 1979 in WSC he scored a fabuluos match-winning197 versus Australia and average over 60 in the 5 supertests.



Still the greatest turning point in his leadership was in the 1979-80 tour of Australia.It was virtually a series where the Calypsos were seeking revenge for their humiliation of a 5-1 defeat in 1975-76.West Indies vanquished a powerful Australian side that just beat England 3-0 which was a remarkable achievement and thus capture the Frank Worrell trophy for the 1st time down under.It was revelation witnessing the fiery spirit of Roberts,Garner,Holding and Croft who blazed away like military tanks.Never was an Australian batting side so intimidated since bodyline in an official series where the Carribean bowlers revealed vengeance at its ultimate zenith bowling a continuous barrage of bouncers or short balls.Clive had simply instilled a new spirit within his players and Viv Richards played better than any batsmen since Bradman.In the final test at Adelaide Lloyd's classic 121 on a quick pitch had a lot to do with West Indies winning the test and their 1st series in Australia,and thus wining the title of the unofficial test world champions.He simply blazed away with characteristic fluidity against Lillee,Thomson and Len Pascoe.



In 1981 in a series versus England at home he was the leading run scorer averaging 76.50 and won the man of the serise award ,leading his team to a 2-0 victory.



In 1981-82 his batting in the final tset and leadership had a lot to do with West Indies coming back at Adelaide in the 3rd test,like a tiger from the ambush.His 55 and 77 n.0 took his team out of the woods to retain the Frank Worrel trophy.



From 1983 to his retirement in 1985 Lloyd to me displayed consistency in batting no post-war skipper ever did,even overshadowing the great Viv Richards,At home versus India he averaged over 66 with 2 centuries,including a match saving oone at Trinidad in the 2nd test.In India he topped the averages scoring 496 runs at 82.50 including a match-wining 161 n.o at Kolkata after his team was precariously placed at 212-8.He was involved in an unforgettable partnership with Andy Roberts of 149 runs that completely turned the complexion of the match.In successive series versus Australia at home in 1983-84 ,in England in 1984 and in Australia in 1984-85 he averaged above 50.In that year he took West Indies to a helm or statute no team arguably ever attained in the history of the game.West Indies won a then record of 11 tests in a row resembling an invincible empire.Clive Lloyd retired in the manner of the great military generals,being true ornament to sport.



Thus where did Clive Lloyd rank amongst the great West Indian batsmen and cricketers,as well as all batsmen and cricketers?Clive would in my view rank amongts the greatest West Indies batsmen ,skippers and left-handers.As a skipper I rank him only behind Frank Worrel in West Indies and overall only behind Ian Chappell,Worrell,Mark Taylor,Imran Khan and Alan Border.Amongst the left handers he was only behind Lara,Sobers,Pollock and Border but still arguably the best attacking left-handed batsmen facing genuine pace bowling,with Sobers.Remember Lara was not at his best against express pace.,particularly short pitched stuff.Amongst West Indies batsmen he ranks only behind Viv Richards,Lara,Sobers,Headley and Weekes .Overall considering his contribution as a captain as a cricketer only Sobers,Viv,Marshall,Lara ,Headley,Weekes,Worrell and Ambrose in my view rank ahead of Lloyd.In my view Lloyd would overall win a place amonst the 50 best cricketers of all time,edging the likes of David Gower, Colin Cowdrey,Peter May or even Javed Miandad and just edged by Everton Weekes, Ricky Ponting,Greg Chappell and Alan Border.I feel Lloyd has been underrated in the list of top 100 cricketers by writers like Geoff Armstrong ranking him at 82nd,Christopher Martin Jenkings at 73rd and John Woodcock at 65th.I place him around 45th.
 
Amongst the 3. Best West Indies batsmen of all against genuine pace?Also a better captain than Imran,Borderand Taylor or Ranatunga?
 
I rated him at the top as a skipper. Not that he was tactically brilliant like Brearley, but because he ended the “calypso cricketer” of the Sobers era and turned WI into a war machine. He was also very good at keeping the players from the various nations working together for the federation.

Wonderful batman. He hit it so hard. Equally good against pace and spin, perhaps better than Richards at the latter. I only saw him bat the once, during Botham’s 8-100.

My favourite memory is watching him bat in the Lord’s nursery nets. He turned round and batted right-handed, then let one little lad bowl him to cheers from the crowd. I often wonder what that lad is doing now.
 
Where would he rank amongst West Indian cricketers?In the top 6. Batsmen?Also where amongst batsmen who were left handed?
 
A fantastic bat, id rank him behind lara and gower as the finest left hander ive seen, as a captain he was good rather than brilliant, we got to remember he had a nuclear arsenal at his disposal
 
A fantastic bat, id rank him behind lara and gower as the finest left hander ive seen, as a captain he was good rather than brilliant, we got to remember he had a nuclear arsenal at his disposal
As good as Imran as a captain or Border ?
 
Where would he rank amongst West Indian cricketers?In the top 6. Batsmen?Also where amongst batsmen who were left handed?

The Big Cat was the best West Indian lefty I saw, after Lara.

Best players? Top ten - Sobers, Headley, Weekes, Worrall, Walcott, Constantine, Marshall, Lloyd, Ambrose, Lara.
 
As good as Imran as a captain or Border ?

Nope not as good as either of them, the reason being he had 4 ferociously quick quality bowlers who he basically instructed to for the kill, the mere mortal captains like imran border brierly had to be astute and patient and imrans case keeping every united on and off the pitch
 
As good as Imran as a captain or Border ?

I would not say Border was that great. He lost a lot of tests, though he played through to the revival. He set an example with the bat and was a disciplinarian. Taylor was better tactically and as a psychological inspirer.
 
I would not say Border was that great. He lost a lot of tests, though he played through to the revival. He set an example with the bat and was a disciplinarian. Taylor was better tactically and as a psychological inspirer.

Borders win loss ratio wasn't great as he was bringing Australia out of a very low standard, by the time taylor inherited the side you could sence the begining of a very successful era, warne pays glowing tributes to border for toughening up the system
 
A very underrated batsman. He could strike the ball hard and dig in when needed, although he never made it look pretty, he was always functional .

Imagine a modern batsman averaging 45+ with a Sr of 100 and 19 centuries ? That is what most test teams would dream of in their middle order these days. It's what England wanted from the likes of butler, stokes, Ali et al.

I will always rate him as one of the best.
 
A fantastic bat, id rank him behind lara and gower as the finest left hander ive seen, as a captain he was good rather than brilliant, we got to remember he had a nuclear arsenal at his disposal

The Big Cat was the best West Indian lefty I saw, after Lara.

Best players? Top ten - Sobers, Headley, Weekes, Worrall, Walcott, Constantine, Marshall, Lloyd, Ambrose, Lara.
Was Clive a better player of genuine pace than Lara?Also was he in theWest Indies top 5 or best 10 cricketers of all time?
 
Yes he played fast bowling well even though he didn't have to face any of his own nuclear warheads, for that reason I rank gower ahead of him, definitely one of the greatest west Indian cricketers
 
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Along with Martin Crowe, Clive Lloyd was one of the best two cricket captains. Very hard hitting batsmen too.
 
Great cricketer and captain, but what a letdown when I met him.
 
Borders win loss ratio wasn't great as he was bringing Australia out of a very low standard, by the time taylor inherited the side you could sence the begining of a very successful era, warne pays glowing tributes to border for toughening up the system

Actually it was Bob Simpson who was their coach at that time and he was the one who was managing and doing selections,Border was only captain on the field and doing press conferences and interviews but AB was tough,And Warne also told that Taylor was the best captain when he played under.
 
Played one of the best ODI and World Cup final knock of all time. His 80+ SR in ODIs proves how good a batsman he was.

When it comes to captaincy, he may be the greatest of all time.
 
Excellent player and a legendary captain.
A Windies all-time XI will be:-

Greenidge
Haynes
Lara
Viv
Lloyd*
Sobers
Dujjon+
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose
 
Garner Ambrose are same kind of bowlers instead of Ambrose I would pick Andy Roberts
 
Actually it was Bob Simpson who was their coach at that time and he was the one who was managing and doing selections,Border was only captain on the field and doing press conferences and interviews but AB was tough,And Warne also told that Taylor was the best captain when he played under.

The captain is the most important figurehead of the team and squad, at that time Australia were very poor under border, he toughned em up on the pitch, a coach cannot go out in the heat of the battle, the turning point was in 87 world cup when Australia shocked everyone to win it, yes taylor captained warne but warne also praised border
 
Excellent player and a legendary captain.
A Windies all-time XI will be:-

Greenidge
Haynes
Lara
Viv
Lloyd*
Sobers
Dujjon+
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose

Bring in Weekes for Lloyd, and Walcott for Dujon. Else I concur.
 
He would be in the all time Windies 11. Career wise overshadowed by Viv, Lara, Greenidge, Haynes etc...
 
He would be in the all time Windies 11. Career wise overshadowed by Viv, Lara, Greenidge, Haynes etc...

Curious, I would put him ahead of a couple of those guys, and he didn’t play with Lara.
 
Didn't really see much of Lloyd. I saw highlights of his batting and he seemed like a great batsman. He was also a fantastic captain.

I think he is up there as one of the best WI players of all time.
 
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A true Calypso King. Captain of the greatest/joint greatest cricket team of all time. A very good batter and a handy bowler as well.
 
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Both in Test and OD his record as a batsman is very good .

He should be in top 10 left handers ever in cricket
 
I watched an innings of his on YouTube recently, and what a hard hitter of the ball he was. He was clearing those big Aussie boundaries with ease.
 
He was the captain of potentially the greatest side to walk on planet earth. He has served as coach, manager, head of the selection committee and chairman of the WICB and has failed in all those roles. If he was so influential and such a great leader, he would have excelled in these roles afterwards as well and have been successful in arresting West Indies decline as a cricket side but he failed to do that.
 
A great player and an ATG captain...
He is captain of my Windies ODI XI.

Gayle
Haynes
Richards
Lara
Hope (w)
Lloyd *
Bravo
Narine
Holding
Garner
Ambrose
 
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