A weak Amir, still a better bowler than JK, Rahat, IK and any other sideman fast bowler for Pakistan

[Rana]

That's the harsh reality. Amir looks worse than he was when he toured England at the age of 15 with the Under 17s in terms of form. But I would still take him over all of our other PHAAST bowlers that we have. Give the guy some conditions were he can make the ball talk, and watch him make the ball talk! The only thing he is missing and the reason why he isn't succeeding this till now is, to just get that late in swing at the final third, which was the key to his success in the first place. Unfortunately the ball has just not done that yet for him. As soon as it does, we will see the Real Amir IA

 

[Mamoon]

Allow me to rephrase this thread in four lines:

I am really desperate for Amir to perform, I don't know what to do. He doesn't look the same bowler to me, I am worried he is finished.

 

[badsha001]

And week opners r still better than Salman Butt. ..

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I still have hope for Rahat actually. Swings the ball at a decent pace but sometimes he lacks control . Although yes I'd agree that Aamir is the best among this list. Junaid Khan is well and truly finished IMO.

 

[eradicator]

So it has changed from " we must include Amir as soon as possible because he is better than Steyn, Starc, Future ATG " to " he is atleast better than Gul, Anwar Ali, Rahat so hes a must "

 

[sunnykhan]

So it has changed from " we must include Amir as soon as possible because he is better than Steyn, Starc, Future ATG " to " he is atleast better than Gul, Anwar Ali, Rahat so hes a must "

LOL!! Correct! Amir will make Pakistan win matches, World Cup etc.

 

[Sandeep]

Allow me to rephrase this thread in four lines:

I am really desperate for Amir to perform, I don't know what to do. He doesn't look the same bowler to me, I am worried he is finished.

Oh you crusher of dreams

On a serious note, I do think he'll come good.. just give him some more time! Harsh to judge based on 3 T20s against a rampaging NZ side..

 

[King Cobra]

Amir fans lowering their expectations.

 

[badsha001]

Why should Amir get more time than other bowlers... There is something called domestic cricket thats where he can spend as much time as he wants.

 

[Madplayer]

Allow me to rephrase this thread in four lines:

I am really desperate for Amir to perform, I don't know what to do. He doesn't look the same bowler to me, I am worried he is finished.

Mamoon "The finisher" strikes

 

[eradicator]

Why should Amir get more time than other bowlers... There is something called domestic cricket thats where he can spend as much time as he wants.

+1

Must be send back to domestics to polish his skills.

 

[Sandeep]

I feel for Amir. Lots of hype and the fanbo*s felt he'll just turn up with the ball and wreck all teams.. That is not how it works.. Give him time..

Let him pick a couple of wickets in the first ODI and watch 100 threads created on PP. Next match if he's unsuccessful, threads will be created on his ineptness. I mean, come on!

 

[King Cobra]

I feel for Amir. Lots of hype and the fanbo*s felt he'll just turn up with the ball and wreck all teams.. That is not how it works.. Give him time..

Let him pick a couple of wickets in the first ODI and watch 100 threads created on PP. Next match if he's unsuccessful, threads will be created on his ineptness. I mean, come on!

It was mistake of those who created the hype first and now they are being handed what they deserve.

He was rushed back into the team on basis of hype that he will run through sides. If there was no hype, there would have been no backslash.

Remember these Amir fans were literally bad mouthing anyone who wasn't in agreement with them. Even players like Hafeez and Azhar were ridiculed and called all sort of names, so why shouldn't Amir receive some stick when he isn't justifying the hype about him?

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Rahat is actually a good,but tame,bowler.Has all the tricks.

 

[Sandeep]

It was mistake of those who created the hype first and now they are being handed what they deserve.

He was rushed back into the team on basis of hype that he will run through sides. If there was no hype, there would have been no backslash.

Remember these Amir fans were literally bad mouthing anyone who wasn't in agreement with them. Even players like Hafeez and Azhar were ridiculed and called all sort of names, so why shouldn't Amir receive some stick when he isn't justifying the hype about him?

Amir doesn't deserve the stick, his fans do..

 

[hur rizvi]

Amir is already bowling almost at Wahab's pace and that alone is enough to keep him in the reckoning

 

[Zeshan547]

It was mistake of those who created the hype first and now they are being handed what they deserve.

He was rushed back into the team on basis of hype that he will run through sides. If there was no hype, there would have been no backslash.

Remember these Amir fans were literally bad mouthing anyone who wasn't in agreement with them. Even players like Hafeez and Azhar were ridiculed and called all sort of names, so why shouldn't Amir receive some stick when he isn't justifying the hype about him?

did amir himself created that hype for him or did he said to his pp fans to hype him, the answer is no then why should amir face this backlash, but yeah his fans which did this deserve every bit of it. The sad truth we are one hasty nation, but i still have hopes from amir to be decent if not great in near future, the truth is he isn't as good as his ******* claim nor as bad as his haters say, he is actually somewhere in between these two extremes, he will be neither be a steyn nor junaid khan, he will be on par with some one like boult or henry.

 

[cricketInsight]

Both extremes of the argument are just that: extremes.

Amir wont be the messiah Pakistan cricket is looking for but nor is he finished. Over time he will get back to being a decent bowler who can fight for or hold his place in the national team.

 

[Balthazar]

If he needs conditions to click then what's the difference between him and Buvaneshwar Kumar.

 

[Asim2Good]

he was nothing special to begin with, there are alot of "if this , if that"
he has test avg of 40 in Australia and avg of 43 in NZ
yet to paly test match agaisnt SA, India, WI

Amir has test avg of 29 while playing 11 test (out of 14) on bowling friendly wickets of NZ,Aus & Eng
Imran Khan have bowling avg of 28 even thought he has played on dead wickets of UAE so far

 

[#GreenRoars]

Come on guys, give it a rest. Give kid some time to settle down, this hype won't work.

 

[MenInG]

Amir is already bowling almost at Wahab's pace and that alone is enough to keep him in the reckoning

Very well put

 

[Hamza_]

I think Rahat Ali is a very good bowler. Needs to be mentally stronger though.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

To be honest, I am surprised. I really did expect him to perform better than he did.

I know people are saying he was rushed - but I think most are saying so in hindsight.

The signs were there - in domestic, in BPL - that he was looking good.

Tells you how poor our domestic cricket is to judge player form.

Still, I'd have thought he could have done better than he did. Maybe the pitches were very different in NZ in his first trip. Or he has a new action which is less conducive to swing.

More likely, it could just be time. He is under pressure and he has had no time to adjust to either the pressure or the dramatic difference in class of batsmen facing him.

 

[786warrior]

Allow me to rephrase this thread in four lines:

I am really desperate for Amir to perform, I don't know what to do. He doesn't look the same bowler to me, I am worried he is finished.

Bro - he showed (pre-ban) the beginnings of a legend and he will reclaim his rightful title as the premier fast bowler in the world

Yes, his return has been a damp squib, but deep down you know he is the real deal amongst these pretenders in the Pak line-up - the ONLY player who will go on to be WORLD CLASS!!!

 

[Mamoon]

Bro - he showed (pre-ban) the beginnings of a legend and he will reclaim his rightful title as the premier fast bowler in the world

Yes, his return has been a damp squib, but deep down you know he is the real deal amongst these pretenders in the Pak line-up - the ONLY player who will go on to be WORLD CLASS!!!

He is not entitled to be a great, nor is he destined. He has the tools (or maybe had) but the fact that like everyone else out there, he has to earn it through blood, sweat and tears.

What I don't appreciate is people looking to hand him success and glory on a silver platter.

He doesn't deserve or merit any special treatment and not necessarily a longer rope than other bowlers.

 

[Hawkeye]

Bowling at 145kph after a gap of five years.

He has already come good, don't start threads which show desperation.

I'll give him a free ride until next world cup at least.

 

[waleed88]

I bet you can bowl better than 'JK post injury'.

I still think he can do better than Umar Gul!

 

[Hawkeye]

I still think he can do better than Umar Gul!

Maybe. But only marginally.

They're so low class now that it doesn't matter if he's marginally better.

 

[leg-side-flick]

How many overs has he bowled since his comeback, must be 12, in the three T20 matches, against some very good hitters...

I don't think I am qualified to dismiss him so quickly, So I will wait for 5/6 ODI's and / or at least 2 Test matches... It should not be such a long time...

 

[Junaids]

Allow me to rephrase this thread in four lines:

I am really desperate for Amir to perform, I don't know what to do. He doesn't look the same bowler to me, I am worried he is finished.

I noticed the NZ commentators in the third match describing his line and length as "perfect for Test cricket".

My thoughts are that he will be fine in Tests, and as Graeme Swann recently said, no self-respecting bowler wants to even play T20 or ODI now.

 

[kingusama92]

Why should Amir get more time than other bowlers... There is something called domestic cricket thats where he can spend as much time as he wants.

But it's okay for everyone else to stay in the international team when they are clearly worse?

He'll never get dropped. He's the best we have.

The high standards set for him doesn't mean he gets dropped when he doesn't meet them.

 

[Ironcat]

On current form, IK > Amir. RA = Amir.

At their best, Amir > IK > RA.

Amir's fitness for test cricket is a major question mark. He has this year to work on it - but currently I don't see him getting even close to what Wahab could on a fifth day in the UAE.

 

[sunnykhan]

Bro - he showed (pre-ban) the beginnings of a legend and he will reclaim his rightful title as the premier fast bowler in the world

Yes, his return has been a damp squib, but deep down you know he is the real deal amongst these pretenders in the Pak line-up - the ONLY player who will go on to be WORLD CLASS!!!

He will never be a legend.

 

[786warrior]

He is not entitled to be a great, nor is he destined. He has the tools (or maybe had) but the fact that like everyone else out there, he has to earn it through blood, sweat and tears.

What I don't appreciate is people looking to hand him success and glory on a silver platter.

He doesn't deserve or merit any special treatment and not necessarily a longer rope than other bowlers.

Nobody is entitled to anything unless you take it! I believe he will!

Your comment on "people handing him success" doesn't make sense? No one can do that - riches and rewards are there for the taking, he had them in his grasp the first time round but for the poisonous Paks that led him astray and his own weakness - hopefully he's learned his lesson or he will be scrapped

He does warrant some special treatment as no other bowler after wasim, waqar and shoaib has come close to that level of excellence

 

[786warrior]

He will never be a legend.

Let's see then......

 

[goran]

The way Amir haters have pounced on the opportunity to dismiss him after 3 T20s against an outstanding batting line-up on probably the world's smallest grounds is laughable.

Even after 5 years, he was still better than all of the pak pacers on the show.

 

[leg-side-flick]

He will never be a legend.

How do you know that.... Are you some kind of future teller...

A question to you, which bowler currently plays T20's only and is considered a great by all....

If you can't answer that, then let Amir play few tests and then judge him....

I seriously don't understand this from people here, you guys watch a lot of Cricket, post and discuss thoughts, so one would assume that you understand cricket.....but you come to a conclusion that Amir is garbage basis three T20's... Either you don't understand the game or you are simply biased and don't want him to succeed....

 

[goran]

How do you know that.... Are you some kind of future teller...

A question to you, which bowler currently plays T20's only and is considered a great by all....

If you can't answer that, then let Amir play few tests and then judge him....

I seriously don't understand this from people here, you guys watch a lot of Cricket, post and discuss thoughts, so one would assume that you understand cricket.....but you come to a conclusion that Amir is garbage basis three T20's... Either you don't understand the game or you are simply biased and don't want him to succeed....

Very well said.

 

[in_cutter]

Another day, another Amir thread.

 

[Bewal Express]

As some of you may know I will not support the PK team( the thread about my reasons was deleted) as long as Amir or any other crook plays but people's expectations were unrealistically high,not least because the game has moved on and the fact that people's memories were based on him bowling well but forgetting that he bowled on some of the most favourable bowling conditions seen in many a year in 2010. For what's it's worth I hope the guy tanks in every match.

 

[Sandeep]

I noticed the NZ commentators in the third match describing his line and length as "perfect for Test cricket".

My thoughts are that he will be fine in Tests, and as Graeme Swann recently said, no self-respecting bowler wants to even play T20 or ODI now.

Does it ever get cold in your moral high ground?

 

[Sandeep]

Bro - he showed (pre-ban) the beginnings of a legend and he will reclaim his rightful title as the premier fast bowler in the world

Here we go again.. Why would anyone say that?

 

[abc_to_xyz]

Give him couple of ODIs/Tests before judging him. If jokes like Anwar, Tanvir and Adil can have a decent rum then why not Amir?

For those who are *perform in domestic first* tagged, just have a look at your domestic quality first. A person there is never going to grow in potential.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Aamir already is the best fast bowler in Pakistan which says a lot about him and the lack of talent in Pakistan currently.

Waqar Younis and the rest of the team management know this which is why they'll stick with him.

 

[786warrior]

Here we go again.. Why would anyone say that?

Quite simply, because he showed what he was capable of pre ban, and with his hard work he can be again - I hope that helps

 

[786warrior]

Does it ever get cold in your moral high ground?

Bro, get a dictionary please, there's nothing vaguely moralistic in the comment - he was simply stating and relaying facts about Amir's ability as evidenced by this early glimpse

And yes, it is widely accepted that in T20 a bowler is on a hiding to nothing - nothing new there??!!

 

[pakistani pride]

he was nothing special to begin with, there are alot of "if this , if that"
he has test avg of 40 in Australia and avg of 43 in NZ
yet to paly test match agaisnt SA, India, WI

Amir has test avg of 29 while playing 11 test (out of 14) on bowling friendly wickets of NZ,Aus & Eng
Imran Khan have bowling avg of 28 even thought he has played on dead wickets of UAE so far

How old is imran khan? How old was amir 5 years ago? What he did at that age was fantastic.

I hope and i do believe that with time he will perform and lead our attack to silence a few laptop warriors.

 

[Lurker_Ind]

Amir is still decent. Not the one to be discarded. He needs more time.

Unrealistic expectations of fans is making him worse than he actually is.

NZ grounds are tiny and batting paradises. Everyone gets pasted unless you have extraordinary pace and bowl perfect line.

 

[Sandeep]

Bro, get a dictionary please, there's nothing vaguely moralistic in the comment - he was simply stating and relaying facts about Amir's ability as evidenced by this early glimpse

And yes, it is widely accepted that in T20 a bowler is on a hiding to nothing - nothing new there??!!

no self-respecting bowler wants to even play T20 or ODI now

Really?

 

[Sandeep]

Quite simply, because he showed what he was capable of pre ban, and with his hard work he can be again - I hope that helps

Rightful title? Come on man, you can do better then that

 

[786warrior]

Rightful title? Come on man, you can do better then that

Why would one legend, Wasim Akram, state that Amir was better than he was at a young age (pre ban)?
I'm not here to convince you - let me suggest you believe what you will and I will carry on supporting Amir as he is the only world class player in the Pak team. Thanks

 

[Indiafan]

How do you know that.... Are you some kind of future teller...

A question to you, which bowler currently plays T20's only and is considered a great by all....

If you can't answer that, then let Amir play few tests and then judge him....

I seriously don't understand this from people here, you guys watch a lot of Cricket, post and discuss thoughts, so one would assume that you understand cricket.....but you come to a conclusion that Amir is garbage basis three T20's... Either you don't understand the game or you are simply biased and don't want him to succeed....

How is this any different from people claiming he is the best in the world, the premier fast bowler, etc etc? The people who are rubbishing him are the ones laughing at those overhyping it. When you overhype someone the expectations will also be big

 

[Indiafan]

Why would one legend, Wasim Akram, state that Amir was better than he was at a young age (pre ban)?
I'm not here to convince you - let me suggest you believe what you will and I will carry on supporting Amir as he is the only world class player in the Pak team. Thanks

The same Wasim Akram who said he was rushed into the side and that he should have spent more time in domestic?

 

[Uzi]

You have to give the lad some time. He was out of cricket for 5+ years. You can't expect him to return as the bowler he was in 2010. You can't judge him based on 3 t20s. I will be interested in how he does in the test arena.


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[MRSN]

true the guy still has some genuine pace. Junaid was bowling in the 120s last time he played for Pakistan. That's really massive downfall.

 

[in_cutter]

true the guy still has some genuine pace. Junaid was bowling in the 120s last time he played for Pakistan. That's really massive downfall.

Pace is not everthing. Sami says hello.

 

[MRSN]

Pace is not everthing. Sami says hello.

Amir has swing as well..We have to give him sometime though.

 

[Mamoon]

true the guy still has some genuine pace. Junaid was bowling in the 120s last time he played for Pakistan. That's really massive downfall.

But Junaid is finished now, his body is done. He is no benchmark.

Having said that, I think Amir's pace was the only good that came out of his bowling in the T20 series.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

No matter what people say. But its not easy to ignore a left arm bowler who can bowl at 150kph. Pakistan has given so many chances to wahab if amir gets the same number of chances he too can cement his place in the team. The only problem are his die hard fans who are overhyping him and are losing patience.

 

[Mirpur express]

He has only bowled 12 overs!!! Wait till he has 100+ overs @ this level... i will back him to come good infact be our main strike bowler for a long time to come

 

[zabalestmsm]

Consistency was missing but did show some glimpses of the old Amir... Overall he wasn't impressive... But that last over in the 3rd T20I did give me some hope going into the ODI series... Let's see how he will fare today... I think he won't be bad... And he must become expressive as Akhtar had rightly pointed out... Good luck Amir..

 

[sunnykhan]

How do you know that.... Are you some kind of future teller...

A question to you, which bowler currently plays T20's only and is considered a great by all....

If you can't answer that, then let Amir play few tests and then judge him....

I seriously don't understand this from people here, you guys watch a lot of Cricket, post and discuss thoughts, so one would assume that you understand cricket.....but you come to a conclusion that Amir is garbage basis three T20's... Either you don't understand the game or you are simply biased and don't want him to succeed....

How did the poster whom I quoted knew that he was supposed to become a legend only if he wasn't banned?

Pls do see the context of the post as well.

Where did I say he's garbage? Only assumptions from you. Amir is not garbage but his fans were definitely harping about Amir like he was the only one needed to win matches for Pakistan. All put to their places now. I already had a strong opinion since the beginning that he should play another season, we don't need to rush. He didn't even played a full season and was selected. So results are for everyone to see.

 

[Hawkeye]

Consistency was missing but did show some glimpses of the old Amir... Overall he wasn't impressive... But that last over in the 3rd T20I did give me some hope going into the ODI series... Let's see how he will fare today... I think he won't be bad... And he must become expressive as Akhtar had rightly pointed out... Good luck Amir..

Bro you need to bring those exclamations back!

I'm used to of seeing them with your posts so sort of like them.

 

[Hawkeye]

But Junaid is finished now, his body is done. He is no benchmark.

Having said that, I think Amir's pace was the only good that came out of his bowling in the T20 series.

Swung the ball as well in the first match, good death bowling in last T20.

At that pace, if conditions allow some swing, he's going to be extremely effective. Tests are his primary arena.

 

[IAJ]

So many threads popping up on Amir here. How can people judge him after 3 t20 matches and that also returning to international cricket after more than 5 years. Even Boult was poor in the match I watches but that does not make him a bad bowler.

Amir is the best bowler we have and the management knows that. His pace is already up and once the swing comes back he will be back for real but stay patient.

 

[zabalestmsm]

Bro you need to bring those exclamations back!

I'm used to of seeing them with your posts so sort of like them.

Ha ha... Will try to bring them back, just like Amir is trying to bring his old self back...

 

[786warrior]

The same Wasim Akram who said he was rushed into the side and that he should have spent more time in domestic?

Bro, he may well have said that too, but that does not change the fact that amir is a unique bowler which he himself recognised

 

[Slog]

To be honest, I am surprised. I really did expect him to perform better than he did.

I know people are saying he was rushed - but I think most are saying so in hindsight.

The signs were there - in domestic, in BPL - that he was looking good.

Tells you how poor our domestic cricket is to judge player form.

Still, I'd have thought he could have done better than he did. Maybe the pitches were very different in NZ in his first trip. Or he has a new action which is less conducive to swing.

More likely, it could just be time. He is under pressure and he has had no time to adjust to either the pressure or the dramatic difference in class of batsmen facing him.

he was performing in the same domestics where Hammad Azam, Tanvir Ahmed average 20

 

[Mamoon]

^ Lol.

 

[Indiafan]

Swung the ball as well in the first match, good death bowling in last T20.

At that pace, if conditions allow some swing, he's going to be extremely effective. Tests are his primary arena.

If he (or any bowler) can swing at 145 to 150, he will be unplayable. Shane Bond comes to mind.

 

[Hawkeye]

If he (or any bowler) can swing at 145 to 150, he will be unplayable. Shane Bond comes to mind.

Swing and pace are there. Let's see what happens in ODIs/Tests; he'll get those ideal conditions in England.

Honestly I'm more surprised at how much pace he's generating.

 

[insaaniyat]

A cheat will always be better than the honest person in this world now
In my book a cheat will always be a cheat


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[sjahmed23]

He has thus far bowled wide or short. I don't think he's find his rhythm yet and doesn't seem to be any better than Junaid Khan.

 

[Rana]

He's getting into his rythem now, liking this bowling Amir lad!

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Aamir is really exciting to watch bowl. There is something on every ball. I hope people have patience with him.

 

[RehanG]

A cheat will always be better than the honest person in this world now
In my book a cheat will always be a cheat


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what has cheating to do with his bowling skills?
he cheated he got punishment and he's now back in the team because of his skills

 

[Ilan Bluestone]

A cheat will always be better than the honest person in this world now
In my book a cheat will always be a cheat


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This has lots of cricketing merit...

 

[insaaniyat]

Ok RehanG who am I to judge now?
I have my own view though


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[90MPH]

These 3 ODIs will tell us more than the slog fest 20-20s where any bowler can get smashed.

So far so good.