A weak Amir, still a better bowler than JK, Rahat, IK and any other sideman fast bowler for Pakistan

[Flat_Track_Bully]

He is the only bowler in the country along with Sohail Khan who can swing the new ball. We have had a legacy Guls the past 5 years.

 

[Abdullah719]

Anwar > all.

 

[pacefan]

SEE the difference AMIR's Inclusion with Irfan!

 

[waleed88]

Would you look at that, Anwar Ali is outperfoming Mohammad Amir )

 

[90MPH]

Would you look at that, Anwar Ali is outperfoming Mohammad Amir )

Karachi lobby will be celebrating tonight )

 

[Hawkeye]

Amir six overs

18 runs

2 wickets

BRILLIANT FIGURES>

 

[Rana]

He's coming back lads!

 

[Hawkeye]

Wasim Akram v2 got 3 wickets now with brilliant figures.

 

[Saj]

Should have taken 5 wickets by now and conceded less than 10 runs. He's finished !

 

[tahir_dj]

What an over
He got his mojo back.....


Ye talk nah hater!!!!

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Swing, pace, bounce! Breathtaking stuff from Aamir! I can't believe people targeted him after one t20!

 

[pacefan]

Should have taken 5 wickets by now and conceded less than 10 runs. He's finished !

Still that very late swing missing, but all in all he is coming back

 

[s28]

Swing, pace, bounce! Breathtaking stuff from Aamir! I can't believe people targeted him after one t20!

yes looking back to his best

ODI not really his forte but getting close to his career best figures

Career best in ODI is 4-28
Currently : 3-28

 

[SULTAN]

Need to get rid of him asap.

Can't even hit 150 kph since his comeback. pathetic!

 

[keysersoze]

23 year old amir is finished for sure only bowled 8.1 overs and gave up finished I tell you!

 

[keysersoze]

Would you look at that, Anwar Ali is outperfoming Mohammad Amir )

Would help your cause if u let them complete their overs first otherwise u look silly.

 

[waleed88]

Would help your cause if u let them complete their overs first otherwise u look silly.

Hey both are on 3 wickets. Atleast AA is not a quitter

 

[MenInG]

Should have taken 5 wickets by now and conceded less than 10 runs. He's finished !

I think you put the curse of the commentator on him

 

[Zohaib Shah]

I am sorry but Junaid Khan is equal to Amir in bowling.

 

[kingusama92]

Looked brilliant today. Hopefully not a serious injury.

 

[leg-side-flick]

How is this any different from people claiming he is the best in the world, the premier fast bowler, etc etc? The people who are rubbishing him are the ones laughing at those overhyping it. When you overhype someone the expectations will also be big

Agree that expectations will be high but you should let him play ODI's / tests before you pass judgement on him....

People here were reacting on his 12 overs in 3 T20's, thats stupid... which bowler these days is unplayable in T20..

Steyn gets whacked, so does Boult and StarC but all of us agree they are good bowlers, we don't do that because they give < 30 runs and take a odd wicket in 4 overs in T20. We have seen them in tests and concluded they are good, so why not use the same yardstick for Mohd Amir....

 

[TurkishCricketFan]

Ok he is not better than Steyn, can he play now?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Good pace, good line and length and 3 well deserved wickets. Showing what a class bowler he is.

 

[Theo_14]

The thing with Aamer is that if he can take 2-3 wickets early; then will help and ease things for Anwar Ali and Irfan too who are not prime bowlers who can take responsibility from the very start.

 

[Logical]

How is this any different from people claiming he is the best in the world, the premier fast bowler, etc etc? The people who are rubbishing him are the ones laughing at those overhyping it. When you overhype someone the expectations will also be big

Not really.

He has a lot of haters regardless because of his past antics, it's not just because he was labelled as next best thing since sliced bread.

 

[Saj]

Still that very late swing missing, but all in all he is coming back

Not the sort of conditions where you are going to see big booming inswingers.

Amir bowled well, his rhythm looked good, action looked fine and above all he looked more at ease and confident out there.

 

[pacesensation]

Still that very late swing missing, but all in all he is coming back

according to a poster here, he would get it again, it was that wrist snap thing that gave him late swing. InshAllah he will get it back with khair, you know muscle memory

 

[Rana]

Allow me to rephrase this thread in four lines:

I am really desperate for Amir to perform, I don't know what to do. He doesn't look the same bowler to me, I am worried he is finished.

You've gone awefully quiete now boy! Come back when Amir flops again

 

[tonmoy]

If you see his release, it is perfect. In any condition that offers some swing , he would be lethal.

 

[Mamoon]

You've gone awefully quiete now boy! Come back when Amir flops again

Never said he'll flop, but I don't believe in making his performance look better than it is. Threads like these come across as desperate: let the boy play and don't make him think that he's entitled to greatness and that success should be handed to him on a silver platter.

I will reiterate that he doesn't deserve special treatment.

 

[Abdullah]

Lol at change of tune of some posters.
Off course it will take a little bit of time but op is right. Nothing desperate about it

 

[OUTSPOKEN]

"Give the guy some conditions where he can make the ball talk, and watch him make the ball talk!" -

Yes,ask the curators of 2016 T20 pitches to prepare suitable pitches for him!!!

 

[Mamoon]

Lol at change of tune of some posters.
Off course it will take a little bit of time but op is right. Nothing desperate about it

The desperation lies in the title itself:

'he is better than Junaid, Wahab, Rahat, Imran, Irfan etc. so deal with it'

What is insightful or new here, and what does it add to the discussion.

 

[hur rizvi]

Moved the ball around, and bowled a decent spell yesterday

Will be back to his best soon

 

[Abdullah]

The desperation lies in the title itself:

'he is better than Junaid, Wahab, Rahat, Imran, Irfan etc. so deal with it'

What is insightful or new here, and what does it add to the discussion.

Im not sure, I guess op was just in response to the hate amir was getting after 12 fricking overs which was defo irrational of a passionate cricket forum,
I don't think title was too far of the mark to be honest.

To be clear even now there will be ups and downs but a year on I expect the output levels to have recovers where the op is not even argued and merely accepted as fact.

 

[Abdullah]

^What it adds to the discussion is that how long we give amir given what we have seen in the fast bowling stocks since 2012

 

[Rana]

"Give the guy some conditions where he can make the ball talk, and watch him make the ball talk!" -

Yes,ask the curators of 2016 T20 pitches to prepare suitable pitches for him!!!

Does it actually mean that I am asking curators to help Amir? What I'm saying is that he will do his thing when the conditions are in favor of him. Even Ahmad Shahzad was launching Mitchell Johnson for sixes in the first over of an innings in the UAE.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

The desperation lies in the title itself:

'he is better than Junaid, Wahab, Rahat, Imran, Irfan etc. so deal with it'

What is insightful or new here, and what does it add to the discussion.

Its insightful because these bowlers had 5 years to become established but all they did was to bring shame to our fast bowling heritage which is a bigger crime than what Amir did.

 

[Mamoon]

Its insightful because these bowlers had 5 years to become established but all they did was to bring shame to our fast bowling heritage which is a bigger crime than what Amir did.

That is a dramatic way to put it but no, not a bigger crime than what Amir did. None of them sold out.

 

[Rana]

its insightful because these bowlers had 5 years to become established but all they did was to bring shame to our fast bowling heritage which is a bigger crime than what amir did.

potw

 

[dhump]

Never said he'll flop, but I don't believe in making his performance look better than it is. Threads like these come across as desperate: let the boy play and don't make him think that he's entitled to greatness and that success should be handed to him on a silver platter.

I will reiterate that he doesn't deserve special treatment.

What special treatment he got ??

- Praised for his abilities?
- Declared someone with potential.
- Followed by fans.
- Asked by other members to treat him equally like other fellow players ?
- When asked all experts talked about how good he is.

I dont see the special treatment he needed smooth transaction back from his ban and it was rightly provided.

Stop acting like saner than a saint you lack patience which is key.


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[Mamoon]

What special treatment he got ??

- Praised for his abilities?
- Declared someone with potential.
- Followed by fans.
- Asked by other members to treat him equally like other fellow players ?
- When asked all experts talked about how good he is.

I dont see the special treatment he needed smooth transaction back from his ban and it was rightly provided.

Stop acting like saner than a saint you lack patience which is key.


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That is what I disagree with, and it all goes back to people wanting Hafeez and Azhar to be punished for not welcoming Amir back into the fold with open arms.

Let's get a few things clear here: Amir certainly needs a smooth transition, but he is not entitled to it which is the impression many of his jingoistic fans give.

His fans have to understand that not every player and fan can be welcoming. Different people have different moral values, and what Amir did cannot be forgotten by all.

Why is everyone entitled to make him feel welcome so that he doesn't get feel like an outcast? Simply put, he has to live with his past; it is the price that he'll have to pay and if he performs well in the future for Pakistan, he might win over some of these people, but you cannot ask them to treat him same as the other players.

I am glad that any special treatment wasn't provided, because Mr. Shahryar Khan is a wise man. If PPers had their way, Azhar and Hafeez would have been punished for their stance and some people wanted that spectator (who waved money in his face) to be severely reprimanded as well. Stop being overprotective of Amir and let him deal with it.

The irony of who is lacking patience is clearly lost on you. People who wanted Azhar/Hafeez to be punished, want all players and fans to be welcoming and create threads like 'he's still the best bowler so deal with it and shut up' etc. are the ones exhibiting a deep lack of patience here.

As I've said many times in the last few months, I really hope that Amir is not as brittle as his fans, because it a long, bumpy road, and if he gets his jimmies rustled like his fans, it will be difficult for him to cope with all of this.

That is all.

 

[dhump]

That is what I disagree with, and it all goes back to people wanting Hafeez and Azhar to be punished for not welcoming Amir back into the fold with open arms.

Let's get a few things clear here: Amir certainly needs a smooth transition, but he is not entitled to it which is the impression many of his jingoistic fans give.

His fans have to understand that not every player and fan can be welcoming. Different people have different moral values, and what Amir did cannot be forgotten by all.

Why is everyone entitled to make him feel welcome so that he doesn't get feel like an outcast? Simply put, he has to live with his past; it is the price that he'll have to pay and if he performs well in the future for Pakistan, he might win over some of these people, but you cannot ask them to treat him same as the other players.

I am glad that any special treatment wasn't provided, because Mr. Shahryar Khan is a wise man. If PPers had their way, Azhar and Hafeez would have been punished for their stance and some people wanted that spectator (who waved money in his face) to be severely reprimanded as well. Stop being overprotective of Amir and let him deal with it.

The irony of who is lacking patience is clearly lost on you. People who wanted Azhar/Hafeez to be punished, want all players and fans to be welcoming and create threads like 'he's still the best bowler so deal with it and shut up' etc. are the ones exhibiting a deep lack of patience here.

As I've said many times in the last few months, I really hope that Amir is not as brittle as his fans, because it a long, bumpy road, and if he gets his jimmies rustled like his fans, it will be difficult for him to cope with all of this.

That is all.

Azhar and Hafeez were wrong because they decided to make a media drama out of a concern and POV they had.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but as an employee you are punished in most sane cultures/organizations if you speak publicly against a fellow employee. I as an employee have no right to say that certain person should not work with me if he is an ex-convict, if rules of company allow this than I am wrong to ask for anybodies removal because it is not as per my liking.

Also they could have discussed their concerns in private like a mature person. I have no idea what they wanted to proof with their stance as it came out as nothing and they joined the camp later with no results what so ever only for Azhar Ali doing drama of handing his resignation few days later as not many players clearly supported their stance.

Now when you say Azhar and Hafeez are entitled of public opinion and also their fans than Amir and his fans have same privileges. Moral code is for the person himself and majority will not follow your morality or liking for their opinion no mater how superior you think your opinion is.

I called you impatient by you judging Amir based on hype created by fans and not by situation, circumstances and performance and not so long ago posted lines like " I am losing patience with cheat" after performance of T20s where both teams posted 170+ regularly and bowlers from both sides got battered.

Also Amir is not running fan campaign this is just how things are with Pakistani fans they hype Shahzad as next Sachin and later compare him with their grandmothers with a stick to bat.


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[Hamza_]

Azhar and Hafeez were wrong because they decided to make a media drama out of a concern and POV they had.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but as an employee you are punished in most sane cultures/organizations if you speak publicly against a fellow employee. I as an employee have no right to say that certain person should not work with me if he is an ex-convict, if rules of company allow this than I am wrong to ask for anybodies removal because it is not as per my liking.

Also they could have discussed their concerns in private like a mature person. I have no idea what they wanted to proof with their stance as it came out as nothing and they joined the camp later with no results what so ever only for Azhar Ali doing drama of handing his resignation few days later as not many players clearly supported their stance.

Now when you say Azhar and Hafeez are entitled of public opinion and also their fans than Amir and his fans have same privileges. Moral code is for the person himself and majority will not follow your morality or liking for their opinion no mater how superior you think your opinion is.

I called you impatient by you judging Amir based on hype created by fans and not by situation, circumstances and performance and not so long ago posted lines like " I am losing patience with cheat" after performance of T20s where both teams posted 170+ regularly and bowlers from both sides got battered.

Also Amir is not running fan campaign this is just how things are with Pakistani fans they hype Shahzad as next Sachin and later compare him with their grandmothers with a stick to bat.


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Excellent Post.

 

[PennOne]

Azhar and Hafeez were wrong because they decided to make a media drama out of a concern and POV they had.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but as an employee you are punished in most sane cultures/organizations if you speak publicly against a fellow employee. I as an employee have no right to say that certain person should not work with me if he is an ex-convict, if rules of company allow this than I am wrong to ask for anybodies removal because it is not as per my liking.

Also they could have discussed their concerns in private like a mature person. I have no idea what they wanted to proof with their stance as it came out as nothing and they joined the camp later with no results what so ever only for Azhar Ali doing drama of handing his resignation few days later as not many players clearly supported their stance.

Now when you say Azhar and Hafeez are entitled of public opinion and also their fans than Amir and his fans have same privileges. Moral code is for the person himself and majority will not follow your morality or liking for their opinion no mater how superior you think your opinion is.

I called you impatient by you judging Amir based on hype created by fans and not by situation, circumstances and performance and not so long ago posted lines like " I am losing patience with cheat" after performance of T20s where both teams posted 170+ regularly and bowlers from both sides got battered.

Also Amir is not running fan campaign this is just how things are with Pakistani fans they hype Shahzad as next Sachin and later compare him with their grandmothers with a stick to bat.


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People who say he is finished one day then say oh good he performed I knew he had talent are LOTA's

 

[asyed]

Azhar and Hafeez were wrong because they decided to make a media drama out of a concern and POV they had.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but as an employee you are punished in most sane cultures/organizations if you speak publicly against a fellow employee. I as an employee have no right to say that certain person should not work with me if he is an ex-convict, if rules of company allow this than I am wrong to ask for anybodies removal because it is not as per my liking.

Also they could have discussed their concerns in private like a mature person. I have no idea what they wanted to proof with their stance as it came out as nothing and they joined the camp later with no results what so ever only for Azhar Ali doing drama of handing his resignation few days later as not many players clearly supported their stance.

Now when you say Azhar and Hafeez are entitled of public opinion and also their fans than Amir and his fans have same privileges. Moral code is for the person himself and majority will not follow your morality or liking for their opinion no mater how superior you think your opinion is.

I called you impatient by you judging Amir based on hype created by fans and not by situation, circumstances and performance and not so long ago posted lines like " I am losing patience with cheat" after performance of T20s where both teams posted 170+ regularly and bowlers from both sides got battered.

Also Amir is not running fan campaign this is just how things are with Pakistani fans they hype Shahzad as next Sachin and later compare him with their grandmothers with a stick to bat.


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Woot!!!

 

[Mamoon]

Azhar and Hafeez were wrong because they decided to make a media drama out of a concern and POV they had.

Says so? Who is the jury here? Which law did they break?

Azhar and Hafeez didn't force PCB not to select Amir; they didn't take PCB to court; they didn't force other players not to welcome Amir back. In fact, Mr. Shahryar himself admitted that he should have talked to all the players beforehand and cleared this matter before having Amir back in the dressing room.

Firstly, they didn't 'go' to the media and told them that they don't want Amir back in the team; it was the media who questioned them, after reports leaked that both are not attending the training camp. When asked, they both said that it is their 'personal' view that Amir should not be allowed to play for Pakistan again, and with that they are simply exercising their personal right; they are entitled to their opinion and people need to respect that.

Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but as an employee you are punished in most sane cultures/organizations if you speak publicly against a fellow employee. I as an employee have no right to say that certain person should not work with me if he is an ex-convict, if rules of company allow this than I am wrong to ask for anybodies removal because it is not as per my liking.

In the professional world, as an employee, you are not allowed back in the same company after indulging in criminal activities and serving time in jail. There are no examples in the corporate world of a firm hiring back a criminal who committed a crime at work while being contracted to the company, so please spare me the 'organization' analogy. If PCB are willing to take Amir back in spite of what he did, then I'm sure sparing Azhar and Hafeez for something that is totally negligible compared to what Amir did is perfectly fine as well.

I don't know which company you work for, but please indulge in a criminal activity while on duty, serve time in jail, and the try to go back to the HR department and see if they hire you.

Also they could have discussed their concerns in private like a mature person.

Again, your opinion. Doesn't make them right or wrong.

I have no idea what they wanted to proof with their stance as it came out as nothing and they joined the camp later with no results what so ever only for Azhar Ali doing drama of handing his resignation few days later as not many players clearly supported their stance.

It doesn't matter if other players didn't support their stance; it is their personal opinion and they are entitled to it. The fact that Azhar officially handed in his resignation proves that it was anything but a drama on his part. He walked the talk. I'm glad that Mr. Shahryar has more sense than some PPers because accepting his resignation in this fashion would have been disastrous and would have set a terrible precedence. I'm glad that the situation was handled tactfully with no damage done.

Now when you say Azhar and Hafeez are entitled of public opinion and also their fans than Amir and his fans have same privileges. Moral code is for the person himself and majority will not follow your morality or liking for their opinion no mater how superior you think your opinion is.

No one said that Amir fans don't have the privilege. However, there is only one-way traffic here. Yes, there are some people here who didn't want Amir to ever play for Pakistan again, but they are in the minority. I'd say that the ratio is 80:20 at best, with 80% wanting Amir back. That makes your statement, both bits of it, quite ironic.

I called you impatient by you judging Amir based on hype created by fans and not by situation, circumstances and performance and not so long ago posted lines like " I am losing patience with cheat" after performance of T20s where both teams posted 170+ regularly and bowlers from both sides got battered.

Do you have a problem with me 'losing patience' or calling him a 'cheat', because both are applicable. Let's be clear here: I, like many others, want him back only because we think that he as the ability to be a very good bowler. Otherwise, given what he has done, on moral grounds, he doesn't deserve to wear the green cap again. However, desperate times call for desperate measures: our fast bowling stocks are at an all-time low and we don't have the luxury to take a moral stance here.

Since I personally want him back because I think he can become great, my tolerance (at an individual level) for his performance would be relatively low, because if he is going to be below par, than what is the point? I'd rather have an average 'clean' bowler in the team than an average 'fixer'. Please note that I'm not hoping/wishing that he fails. Since you follow my posts ardently, you should also note that I've been vocal for years that Amir should be allowed to play for Pakistan again, and I'm happy that he performed well in the first ODI and I hope that he further improves, but don't expect the same level of patience as for the other bowlers, because Amir's case is different. Feel free to call this 'impatience', but I have explained the reasoning behind it.

Also Amir is not running fan campaign this is just how things are with Pakistani fans they hype Shahzad as next Sachin and later compare him with their grandmothers with a stick to bat.

True, and if Shehzad's fans can be criticized for it, so should Amir's.

 

[Mamoon]

Excellent Post.

People who say he is finished one day then say oh good he performed I knew he had talent are LOTA's

Woot!!!

Please tell me what I said wrong in my last post (#127). I'm open to criticism.

 

[asyed]

Please tell me what I said wrong in my last post (#127). I'm open to criticism.

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] there are two things.

Firstly, how Azhar and Hafeez approached Amir's comeback it wasn't appropriate. I'm not saying that he should be welcomed with open arms or should've been given red carpet reception. But they shouldn't do all such drama in media and make U-turn after having a close door meeting with PCB.

Yes, I get it they didn't want to see Amir alongside with them but if PCB, selectors, coaching staff and other members have no issue then I wouldn't do what they did. They could and should have express their concerns in-front of authorities and dealt the situation accordingly. At the end of the day I failed to understand what did they accomplished after that whole episode?

Secondly, I read many post/comments here during T-20 series when people were calling to discard Amir after just 2/3 T-20 game.

Many said it was a wrong decision to fast-track him into the side, Its so frustrating to see that he's not good anymore, I'm not impressed with baby fixer, so on and so forth.

I understand people had high expectations with Amir (myself included) but you've to give him a chance. Let him play a few series and than make a decision if he still have to offer something to the team or no.

If we can give Shehzad, U.Akmal, Maqsood, Anwar Ali, Junaid so many chances they why not Amir (who at least has potential)?

In then end, I didn't mean to offend you, but if I did then I would like to apologies. I like what I read and made a comment.

 

[dhump]

Says so? Who is the jury here? Which law did they break?

My POV same as Hafeez and Azhar POV when they decided to protest against selection of fellow player who is allowed by the ICC and PCB to be selected and playing international cricket. Now if Hafeez and Azhar can be backed up based on their morality of right and wrong I dont see the reason my you can challenge my opinion and ask for me what law did they break.

I say the same goes for Amir and so Hafeez and Azhar was wrong to start with, because no law was broken when Amir was called into the camp or selected.

Azhar and Hafeez didn't force PCB not to select Amir; they didn't take PCB to court; they didn't force other players not to welcome Amir back. In fact, Mr. Shahryar himself admitted that he should have talked to all the players beforehand and cleared this matter before having Amir back in the dressing room.

Yes I also want to know what they did ? they just created a hoopla to trigger chaos and waste few days of training camp and create bad mood and unnecessary drama. I completely agree with you they didnt do anything so why they moved out of the camp enlighten me please.

Also if you can give me the reason also tell me about what they got back in return from their stance and this

Firstly, they didn't 'go' to the media and told them that they don't want Amir back in the team; it was the media who questioned them, after reports leaked that both are not attending the training camp. When asked, they both said that it is their 'personal' view that Amir should not be allowed to play for Pakistan again, and with that they are simply exercising their personal right; they are entitled to their opinion and people need to respect that.

Oh come one they left the camp and thought Media will not pick it up and then came on twitter with opinion.When it was their personal view they could have stayed in the camp and kept their view. Again I will ask why they left the camp ? please clarify this and enlighten me.

In the professional world, as an employee, you are not allowed back in the same company after indulging in criminal activities and serving time in jail. There are no examples in the corporate world of a firm hiring back a criminal who committed a crime at work while being contracted to the company, so please spare me the 'organization' analogy. If PCB are willing to take Amir back in spite of what he did, then I'm sure sparing Azhar and Hafeez for something that is totally negligible compared to what Amir did is perfectly fine as well.

Clearly ICC and PCB are prime organization that have these privileges and both are quite big and international. Also other cheats and criminals are let back into sporting world after rehabilitation. Also we have several companies here in Germany specially government related who let x cons join them to bring them back into society.

That is why we believe in punishment for the sake of correction and not punishment for sake of punishment.

I don't know which company you work for, but please indulge in a criminal activity while on duty, serve time in jail, and the try to go back to the HR department and see if they hire you.

I dont think Amir works for company I work in so his employer wants him back and fine for him ?? you have problem with the police please go talk to HR of PCB. Also my point of me asking to remove certain employee if he is with in rules of company to work stands the same.

You asking me random questions dont solve the issue.

Again, your opinion. Doesn't make them right or wrong.

As solid of an opinion as it was of Hafeez and Azhar, no rule stand behind any of us to back up.

It doesn't matter if other players didn't support their stance; it is their personal opinion and they are entitled to it. The fact that Azhar officially handed in his resignation proves that it was anything but a drama on his part. He walked the talk. I'm glad that Mr. Shahryar has more sense than some PPers because accepting his resignation in this fashion would have been disastrous and would have set a terrible precedence. I'm glad that the situation was handled tactfully with no damage done.

In a team player supporting captain does matter?? and it was just a drama from his side because he shouldn't have move out of the camp like a irresponsible person. Captain is trusted part of team and he is the one who is their to implement boards and think tank policies in the team, when captain decided to move out of the camp and then come back with nothing back after 2 days he need to do something to safe grace.

Yes thankfully Shahriyar khan was kind enough not to humiliate and took his resignation when Malik is more suitable contender clearly. Also it is sad that with presence of Azhar Ali malik is used as mentor we can clearly see who is trusted by players and PCB here.

No one said that Amir fans don't have the privilege. However, there is only one-way traffic here. Yes, there are some people here who didn't want Amir to ever play for Pakistan again, but they are in the minority. I'd say that the ratio is 80:20 at best, with 80% wanting Amir back. That makes your statement, both bits of it, quite ironic.

So how it makes my statement ironic ?? please explain.

Do you have a problem with me 'losing patience' or calling him a 'cheat', because both are applicable. Let's be clear here: I, like many others, want him back only because we think that he as the ability to be a very good bowler. Otherwise, given what he has done, on moral grounds, he doesn't deserve to wear the green cap again. However, desperate times call for desperate measures: our fast bowling stocks are at an all-time low and we don't have the luxury to take a moral stance here.

I dont have problem with you doing anything, I am just stating a fact. You have either no knowledge of how things work in professional sport or you are just impatient. A player returning after 5 year to international arena and you losing patience for him after 3 T20s ?? Sarcastic ?? Un Informed ??

Make your pick.

Since I personally want him back because I think he can become great, my tolerance (at an individual level) for his performance would be relatively low, because if he is going to be below par, than what is the point? I'd rather have an average 'clean' bowler in the team than an average 'fixer'. Please note that I'm not hoping/wishing that he fails. Since you follow my posts ardently, you should also note that I've been vocal for years that Amir should be allowed to play for Pakistan again, and I'm happy that he performed well in the first ODI and I hope that he further improves, but don't expect the same level of patience as for the other bowlers, because Amir's case is different. Feel free to call this 'impatience', but I have explained the reasoning behind it.

Got to leave right now will read and reply soon...in the mean time read above.


True, and if Shehzad's fans can be criticized for it, so should Amir's.[/QUOTE]

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=137507]asyed[/MENTION]

Thanks for responding. Firstly, you didn't say anything offensive and I don't get offended either. It is just a discussion and I'm interested in the viewpoints of others.

Look, as I explained in my previous post, Azhar and Hafeez did not go to media channels HQs, knock on their doors and asked for a camera and mic. Let's follow this chronologically: it all started with the media reports that both of them are not attending the camp because they are unhappy with the presence of Amir and all of this spread like wildfire. We know how things work in our media. Eventually, it was the media who brought this issue into the limelight. What were Hafeez and Azhar supposed to say when they were asked?

I agree with Mr. Shahryar that it was a blunder on PCB's part not to clear the issue with the players beforehand. Whatever happened behind closed doors between the duo and the PCB and whatever the reason for their U-turn (I personally won't call it a U-turn, but whatever) was, it could have happened prior to the players attending the camp. I hope that if Butt and Asif are to be selected in the future, PCB won't make the mistake.

Regarding people wanting Amir to be discarded for 2/3 games, well, it happens with every player in Pakistan. That is how we operate as a nation and it is no different for Amir. There is no need for us to make a bigger issue out of it just because Amir is involved.

The reason why some people are not willing to give Amir as many chances as some of the other non-performing players is because the tolerance level for Amir is already quite low because of what he did, so we have got to keep that in mind.

 

[asyed]

[MENTION=137507]asyed[/MENTION]

Thanks for responding. Firstly, you didn't say anything offensive and I don't get offended either. It is just a discussion and I'm interested in the viewpoints of others.

Look, as I explained in my previous post, Azhar and Hafeez did not go to media channels HQs, knock on their doors and asked for a camera and mic. Let's follow this chronologically: it all started with the media reports that both of them are not attending the camp because they are unhappy with the presence of Amir and all of this spread like wildfire. We know how things work in our media. Eventually, it was the media who brought this issue into the limelight. What were Hafeez and Azhar supposed to say when they were asked?

I agree with Mr. Shahryar that it was a blunder on PCB's part not to clear the issue with the players beforehand. Whatever happened behind closed doors between the duo and the PCB and whatever the reason for their U-turn (I personally won't call it a U-turn, but whatever) was, it could have happened prior to the players attending the camp. I hope that if Butt and Asif are to be selected in the future, PCB won't make the mistake.

Regarding people wanting Amir to be discarded for 2/3 games, well, it happens with every player in Pakistan. That is how we operate as a nation and it is no different for Amir. There is no need for us to make a bigger issue out of it just because Amir is involved.

The reason why some people are not willing to give Amir as many chances as some of the other non-performing players is because the tolerance level for Amir is already quite low because of what he did, so we have got to keep that in mind.

Glad I didn't offend you .

As for how this whole thing was spread, I know its because of media and they notice every single move of these player, let alone missing a day or two in a training camp. As for what would've they said in to the media? There are 50 things you can say if you wants to. Once again, I failed to understand what did they gain from this whole thing? To me, they clearly took it a bit too far. Again, its my opinion.

Now coming on Butt and Asif, I too hope that things would workout better next time and media wouldn't be given anything to promote cheap publicity. After all PCB has experience now with Amir's incident.

As for discarding a player after 2/3 games then why we're persisting with garbage like Ahmed, Anwar, Junaid and Co?

Now coming to the point why people are not willing Amir to give more chances, I believe its not because of his past but due to high expectations which people had from him. If we all were so bothered with his past then why during all these 5 years we were keep praying for him comeback? Why we saw too many random threads where we said 'he'll still around 23 and would've a lot of offer'. Why we had too many thread about 'Future bowling attack will be excellent with Amir, Asif, Irfan, Wahab, Rahat and so on'. I still remember how we made him next ATG after BBL after he took wickers of Misbah, Afridi and Hafeez.

The thing is, we as nation, are emotional and acts childishly and immaturely in tricky circumstance. Not to mention the level of tolerance we possess and high exceptions as always have from any returning (like Amir) and new coming cricketer.

 

[Mamoon]

My POV same as Hafeez and Azhar POV when they decided to protest against selection of fellow player who is allowed by the ICC and PCB to be selected and playing international cricket. Now if Hafeez and Azhar can be backed up based on their morality of right and wrong I dont see the reason my you can challenge my opinion and ask for me what law did they break.

I might not have understood your point clearly and I apologize in advance for it, but if my reading didn't fail me, I think the gist of what you said is that I should respect your point of view just like I respect their's? Well, I never said I do not respect your opinion. In fact, I don't wish to make this about you at a personal level so I won't address you directly but rather at the group of people who share your opinion.

Unfortunately, all the aggression and intolerance in this whole saga has come from this group. They were the one attacking Hafeez and Azhar while some people (me included) were simply telling others to calm down and respect their stance. Hence, I don't see why you will ask people to respect the point of view of the their critics, when they haven't been disrespected in the first place.

I say the same goes for Amir and so Hafeez and Azhar was wrong to start with, because no law was broken when Amir was called into the camp or selected.

Yes. There are two different opinions at work here, neither can be deemed right or wrong by the opposing parties. That is what I'm saying; respect the difference of opinion.[/quote]

Yes I also want to know what they did ? they just created a hoopla to trigger chaos and waste few days of training camp and create bad mood and unnecessary drama. I completely agree with you they didnt do anything so why they moved out of the camp enlighten me please.

Also if you can give me the reason also tell me about what they got back in return from their stance and this

See I have an issue with the statement that they just created a hoopla to trigger chaos. If that was so, why did Azhar offer resignation? Don't you realize that he walked the talk with his resignation? What happened behind closed doors that put an end to this drama is something confidential and we don't know that. However whatever it was, it could have been accomplished beforehand so that this drama would have been avoided, and Mr. Shahryar acknowledged it.

Oh come one they left the camp and thought Media will not pick it up and then came on twitter with opinion.When it was their personal view they could have stayed in the camp and kept their view. Again I will ask why they left the camp ? please clarify this and enlighten me.

They took to Twitter only when this news spread and its media that circulates the news. Once media became aware of the situation and put them to the spotlight, what do you expect them to say? Regarding why they left the camp, see above.

Clearly ICC and PCB are prime organization that have these privileges and both are quite big and international. Also other cheats and criminals are let back into sporting world after rehabilitation. Also we have several companies here in Germany specially government related who let x cons join them to bring them back into society.

That is why we believe in punishment for the sake of correction and not punishment for sake of punishment.

I'm not aware of Germany, but it doesn't work like that in most countries in the world. I don't know if you follow football, but Luciano Moggi, a former Italian football administrator who played a key role in the Italian match-fixing saga in 2006, was forced to resign and retire and hasn't been hired since. Also, I forgot his name, but a referee who was one of Italy's best at that time has not been picked to referee Italy national team matches since.

What Amir did will not be acceptable in the majority of the organizations, be it corporate or sporting.

I dont think Amir works for company I work in so his employer wants him back and fine for him ?? you have problem with the police please go talk to HR of PCB. Also my point of me asking to remove certain employee if he is with in rules of company to work stands the same.

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Well neither do Azhar and Hafeez, but you were the one who brought the organization analogy to the table. Conveniently ignoring that the majority of companies will not accept Amir back, and Germany doesn't represent the world.

I have no issues with this. You are making it personal again and again even though I'm trying not to, and aren't addressing you at a personal level. You are asking me to respect your opinion but is people who share your opinion who exhibit intolerance and inability to digest the contrarian POV.

You asking me random questions dont solve the issue.

How is this a random question. It is a perfectly valid one: do you think your employer will hire you after you commit a financial crime on duty and serve jail time? Of course, you don't have to answer it if its uncomfortable.

As solid of an opinion as it was of Hafeez and Azhar, no rule stand behind any of us to back up.

Yes, and vice versa. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

In a team player supporting captain does matter?? and it was just a drama from his side because he shouldn't have move out of the camp like a irresponsible person. Captain is trusted part of team and he is the one who is their to implement boards and think tank policies in the team, when captain decided to move out of the camp and then come back with nothing back after 2 days he need to do something to safe grace.

The captain is there to implement the board's decision but he is also captain for a reason. He enjoys a position of authority and his input has value. Non-violent disagreement is not a crime. This also puts an end to the talk that Azhar is a Waqar yes man, since Waqar has been supportive of Amir since the start. Regarding why he came back, you have asked this question 5 times now and my answer is the same every single time: it is classified information because we do not know what happened behind closed doors, i.e. between the meeting of the Chairman and the duo. Whatever it was, it should have taken place beforehand and he acknowledges this.

Yes thankfully Shahriyar khan was kind enough not to humiliate and took his resignation when Malik is more suitable contender clearly. Also it is sad that with presence of Azhar Ali malik is used as mentor we can clearly see who is trusted by players and PCB here.

He is a pragmatic man and realizes that sacking Azhar for this will set a wrong precedence. You don't sack your captain whom you appointed only last year for a player returning from a 5 year ban. Yes Malik was appointed mentor, so what? You should recall that before the World Cup, I said many times on this forum that there is a good chance that Malik will return as captain after the World Cup. I think he would have been appointed before Azhar but he wasn't in the plans of the selectors initially. It was only when Fawad failed vs Bangladesh did he make a come back.

So how it makes my statement ironic ?? please explain.

It is ironic because you are not practicing what you are preaching. You want your opinion to be respected but you are not respecting the opinion of Azhar and Hafeez.

I dont have problem with you doing anything, I am just stating a fact. You have either no knowledge of how things work in professional sport or you are just impatient. A player returning after 5 year to international arena and you losing patience for him after 3 T20s ?? Sarcastic ?? Un Informed ??

Make your pick.

What part of it did you not understand? I've clearly explained why I might appear impatient regarding Amir compared to other players. I've explained myself explicitly .Of course, you are free to criticize my position, but don't misunderstand it which I feel is the case.

 

[Mamoon]

Glad I didn't offend you .

As for how this whole thing was spread, I know its because of media and they notice every single move of these player, let alone missing a day or two in a training camp. As for what would've they said in to the media? There are 50 things you can say if you wants to. Once again, I failed to understand what did they gain from this whole thing? To me, they clearly took it a bit too far. Again, its my opinion.

Now coming on Butt and Asif, I too hope that things would workout better next time and media wouldn't be given anything to promote cheap publicity. After all PCB has experience now with Amir's incident.

As for discarding a player after 2/3 games then why we're persisting with garbage like Ahmed, Anwar, Junaid and Co?

Now coming to the point why people are not willing Amir to give more chances, I believe its not because of his past but due to high expectations which people had from him. If we all were so bothered with his past then why during all these 5 years we were keep praying for him comeback? Why we saw too many random threads where we said 'he'll still around 23 and would've a lot of offer'. Why we had too many thread about 'Future bowling attack will be excellent with Amir, Asif, Irfan, Wahab, Rahat and so on'. I still remember how we made him next ATG after BBL after he took wickers of Misbah, Afridi and Hafeez.

The thing is, we as nation, are emotional and acts childishly and immaturely in tricky circumstance. Not to mention the level of tolerance we possess and high exceptions as always have from any returning (like Amir) and new coming cricketer.

I agree with you to the point that offering resignation was a bit extreme. Yes it did show that he is walking the talk, but he didn't need to do that. I personally don't see anything wrong with them telling media the truth once asked, but I respect your opinion.

Your point regarding high expectations is very valid, but this is a desperate nation that is living on hope in all facets of life. Not a single world class bowler has emerged in 5 years so the desperation of people is understandable, however, his past also plays a part. People wanted him back because of his potential, and if you take that potential away, how many would prefer a past criminal to a clean bowler?

 

[asyed]

I agree with you to the point that offering resignation was a bit extreme. Yes it did show that he is walking the talk, but he didn't need to do that. I personally don't see anything wrong with them telling media the truth once asked, but I respect your opinion.

Your point regarding high expectations is very valid, but this is a desperate nation that is living on hope in all facets of life. Not a single world class bowler has emerged in 5 years so the desperation of people is understandable, however, his past also plays a part. People wanted him back because of his potential, and if you take that potential away, how many would prefer a past criminal to a clean bowler?

I totally understand and couldnt agree more with you on Amir. Even as fan, I was expecting the same as others but then I realized that its not easy to get back where you were after 5 years.

Therefore, I'm willing to give him more time but I'm certain he'll be back at his best very soon.

Now on a different note, current circumstances are in full favor of Butt and Asif to make an entry in playing XI. Its very unfortunate that neither we were able to find any decent opener nor a half decent opening bowler as was Asif. So let say, for argument sake they both come back, then Ill even give them few games (8/10) before throwing them away, because their replacements are garbage anyways.

 

[dhump]

I might not have understood your point clearly and I apologize in advance for it, but if my reading didn't fail me, I think the gist of what you said is that I should respect your point of view just like I respect their's? Well, I never said I do not respect your opinion. In fact, I don't wish to make this about you at a personal level so I won't address you directly but rather at the group of people who share your opinion.

Unfortunately, all the aggression and intolerance in this whole saga has come from this group. They were the one attacking Hafeez and Azhar while some people (me included) were simply telling others to calm down and respect their stance. Hence, I don't see why you will ask people to respect the point of view of the their critics, when they haven't been disrespected in the first place.
Yes. There are two different opinions at work here, neither can be deemed right or wrong by the opposing parties. That is what I'm saying; respect the difference of opinion.

See I have an issue with the statement that they just created a hoopla to trigger chaos. If that was so, why did Azhar offer resignation? Don't you realize that he walked the talk with his resignation? What happened behind closed doors that put an end to this drama is something confidential and we don't know that. However whatever it was, it could have been accomplished beforehand so that this drama would have been avoided, and Mr. Shahryar acknowledged it.

They took to Twitter only when this news spread and its media that circulates the news. Once media became aware of the situation and put them to the spotlight, what do you expect them to say? Regarding why they left the camp, see above.

I'm not aware of Germany, but it doesn't work like that in most countries in the world. I don't know if you follow football, but Luciano Moggi, a former Italian football administrator who played a key role in the Italian match-fixing saga in 2006, was forced to resign and retire and hasn't been hired since. Also, I forgot his name, but a referee who was one of Italy's best at that time has not been picked to referee Italy national team matches since.

What Amir did will not be acceptable in the majority of the organizations, be it corporate or sporting.

Well neither do Azhar and Hafeez, but you were the one who brought the organization analogy to the table. Conveniently ignoring that the majority of companies will not accept Amir back, and Germany doesn't represent the world.

I have no issues with this. You are making it personal again and again even though I'm trying not to, and aren't addressing you at a personal level. You are asking me to respect your opinion but is people who share your opinion who exhibit intolerance and inability to digest the contrarian POV.

How is this a random question. It is a perfectly valid one: do you think your employer will hire you after you commit a financial crime on duty and serve jail time? Of course, you don't have to answer it if its uncomfortable.

Yes, and vice versa. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

The captain is there to implement the board's decision but he is also captain for a reason. He enjoys a position of authority and his input has value. Non-violent disagreement is not a crime. This also puts an end to the talk that Azhar is a Waqar yes man, since Waqar has been supportive of Amir since the start. Regarding why he came back, you have asked this question 5 times now and my answer is the same every single time: it is classified information because we do not know what happened behind closed doors, i.e. between the meeting of the Chairman and the duo. Whatever it was, it should have taken place beforehand and he acknowledges this.

He is a pragmatic man and realizes that sacking Azhar for this will set a wrong precedence. You don't sack your captain whom you appointed only last year for a player returning from a 5 year ban. Yes Malik was appointed mentor, so what? You should recall that before the World Cup, I said many times on this forum that there is a good chance that Malik will return as captain after the World Cup. I think he would have been appointed before Azhar but he wasn't in the plans of the selectors initially. It was only when Fawad failed vs Bangladesh did he make a come back.

It is ironic because you are not practicing what you are preaching. You want your opinion to be respected but you are not respecting the opinion of Azhar and Hafeez.

What part of it did you not understand? I've clearly explained why I might appear impatient regarding Amir compared to other players. I've explained myself explicitly .Of course, you are free to criticize my position, but don't misunderstand it which I feel is the case.

Ok So we are getting somewhere here, but I dont like to let it flow wild and write essays to answer so I will break it into points and answer your post above.

- Yes we both agree on difference of opinion. I completely agree that certain players can have reservations on fixer trio returning in Pakistan color, I also agree that they can have reservations and it is completely fine to discuss it with concerning authorities.

- I do not agree with the way duo of Azhar and Hafeez handled their concern for following reasons.
- Hafeez letting this BPL story out that he dont want to play along Amir, it was not needed to be discussed in public. If you involve media in anything ready for the backlash on massive level.

- Hafeez and Azhar leaving the camp. It was really really stupid to think that you will leave national camp and then expect that Media will not catch this and make story out of it, this definitely create disharmony among team and could and still may result in in fighting.

- What Hafeez and Azhar got out of it ? this is my major question what was their stand and what they got out of it ?

- I give you example of Germany and you gave me example of some football club not letting someone play, but organization in discussion PCB and ICC have no reservation of Amir to be selected. Both Hafeez and Azhar are employees and members of these organizations and if these organizations Allow someone to play they are entitled to play or make way for others.

I still 100% stand firm on my case that if any player have issue due to any reason to play with some other player one with the issue should sit out.

- Azhar resignation was nothing but saving grace. I am glad that for his name sake Shahriyar Khan didn't took it and gave captaincy to Malik, but this will happen any time this year.

- About your impatient behavior I was not only talking about you but all others who took knives out after 3 T20s as it is not by any scale criteria to judge any player new or returning. In a 20/20 50m slog fest any bowler can get destroyed and above all Amir didnt performed any worse than any of his colleagues they were all equally poor.

P.S. I talk about you based on your posting style of last few year we notice each other as we both are member of PP since quite some time. It is not being personal, but knowing how you post a little due to reading each other POV quite often.

 

[dhump]

I totally understand and couldnt agree more with you on Amir. Even as fan, I was expecting the same as others but then I realized that its not easy to get back where you were after 5 years.

Therefore, I'm willing to give him more time but I'm certain he'll be back at his best very soon.

Now on a different note, current circumstances are in full favor of Butt and Asif to make an entry in playing XI. Its very unfortunate that neither we were able to find any decent opener nor a half decent opening bowler as was Asif. So let say, for argument sake they both come back, then Ill even give them few games (8/10) before throwing them away, because their replacements are garbage anyways.

This is all what matters honestly. We failed to produce replacement for any of them and one can blame it on anyone lack of talent to system, but in reality we didnt have any bowler as good as Amir and Asif was and none of our openers were consistent and matching to what Butt was doing.

I dont want my team to loose because I am emotional about image of my country which honestly is trashed for so many other reasons than fixing.

 

[pacefan]

This is all what matters honestly. We failed to produce replacement for any of them and one can blame it on anyone lack of talent to system, but in reality we didnt have any bowler as good as Amir and Asif was and none of our openers were consistent and matching to what Butt was doing.

I dont want my team to loose because I am emotional about image of my country which honestly is trashed for so many other reasons than fixing.

but lately his strike rate is way too low,

 

[dhump]

but lately his strike rate is way too low,

Should not be picked if not good enough, like Amir should be dropped if not good enough. I am just stating the fact that we lack replacements and we are not flowing with talent.

 

[Hawkeye]

Beautiful display of swing bowling.

World's best batsman Kane Williamson clueless.

Imagine if these were Tests.... Best bowler in the world right now, King Amir.

 

[Suleiman]

Has been good today, usual crowd will hype him to insane levels, but he just needs time. May not or will not be ATG, which is fine, we just need a quality pacer, and I hope he keeps improving.

 

[BigBoy123]

Amir is well and truly back

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[TalentSpotterPk]

The nz commies are hungry to see him with red ball. They are saying that they want don't want to see him against NZ though and only videos would be fine
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

 

[Rana]

Loving it. You always back your best prospects. I want to see the same support for Babar Azam, Shahzad and Umar Akmal as well. Back these boys, they will become stars one day IA

 

[dhump]

Wonderful spell here showing why he is special bowler.


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[TalentSpotterPk]

Amir doesn't look fully fit put he is bowling absolutely fabulous still.

MashaAllah

 

[keysersoze]

Looks a level above the other Pakistani bowlers and will only get better with time. The haters will have to find another player to hate unfortunately for them.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Amir doesn't look fully fit put he is bowling absolutely fabulous still.

MashaAllah

I still remember when I said, during the BPL i.e. that Amir was operating at 40-50% people we're at my throat saying that he's fully match fit and should be fast tracked. Now we see that he still has room for improvement which is really since he is already bowling brilliantly - A full strength firing Amir is something to really look forward too.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

This Aamir on 70% is already amazing. Enjoyed fast bowling after a very long time.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I still remember when I said, during the BPL i.e. that Amir was operating at 40-50% people we're at my throat saying that he's fully match fit and should be fast tracked. Now we see that he still has room for improvement which is really since he is already bowling brilliantly - A full strength firing Amir is something to really look forward too.

He looked quite fit in BPL. At 90 %.

After last match injury he has a slight limp today and huffing and puffing. But still bowling brilliantly M.A.

 

[Sandeep]

Got to agree he's special. I haven't had the opportunity watch the live match as the series is not being telecast in India, just checked cricinfo. He's easily on the next level to other Pakistan pacers including Wahab Riaz. Just needs some more time and he will back to his beastly best. Anderson vs Amir in England is going to be fascinating irrespective of results..

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

He looked quite fit in BPL. At 90 %.

After last match injury he has a slight limp today and huffing and puffing. But still bowling brilliantly M.A.

I believe he was looking 90% because he was bowling at lesser batsmen, in terms of batting ability, in general. His pace was getting recorded in early 130s which would suggest that he was not pushing himself yet he managed to have excellent figures. Given all of this, I said earlier that BPL was a bad indicator for Amir and therefore he would not have been more than 50% - Logically speaking.

Now when he's really cranking it up and going toe to toe with International Level Players we can see the difference and at the moment I am assuming he is somewhere around 70-75%. If and when Amir will I.A. become fully fit then we'll see the full flowing 150k swinging thunderbolts that the Pre-Ban Amir made us all a fan of.

He really needs to get in shape and firing on all cylinders before the WT20.

 

[Hassan101]

Really enjoyed Amir's spell, it's been a long time since I've enjoyed a fast bowlers spell..


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[srh]

That's the harsh reality. Amir looks worse than he was when he toured England at the age of 15 with the Under 17s in terms of form. But I would still take him over all of our other PHAAST bowlers that we have. Give the guy some conditions were he can make the ball talk, and watch him make the ball talk! The only thing he is missing and the reason why he isn't succeeding this till now is, to just get that late in swing at the final third, which was the key to his success in the first place. Unfortunately the ball has just not done that yet for him. As soon as it does, we will see the Real Amir IA

Could not have said it better

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I believe he was looking 90% because he was bowling at lesser batsmen, in terms of batting ability, in general. His pace was getting recorded in early 130s which would suggest that he was not pushing himself yet he managed to have excellent figures. Given all of this, I said earlier that BPL was a bad indicator for Amir and therefore he would not have been more than 50% - Logically speaking.

Now when he's really cranking it up and going toe to toe with International Level Players we can see the difference and at the moment I am assuming he is somewhere around 70-75%. If and when Amir will I.A. become fully fit then we'll see the full flowing 150k swinging thunderbolts that the Pre-Ban Amir made us all a fan of.

He really needs to get in shape and firing on all cylinders before the WT20.

He did bowl in early 140's in BPL.

He bowled 146 and 149 in 2nd T20i.

He did bowl atleast 10 deliveries above 138kph today. I just feel that that blow to his shin bone last game and those two cramps last game.


After Asia cup he will have good time off. I prat he remains injury free than in India you will see him operating 140 to 152kph inshaAllah.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Amir has made a very impressive comeback. Would love to see how well he performs against our rockstars.

 

[The_Odd_One]

He is definitely better than all other Pakistani bowlers and will be very soon among the best in the world.

 

[IAJ]

Loving it. You always back your best prospects. I want to see the same support for Babar Azam, Shahzad and Umar Akmal as well. Back these boys, they will become stars one day IA

Easy now bro. The majority of us know Amir is the best bowler we have and Babar is the best batting talent we have but Shehzad and Akmal have had enough chances. They need to to be dropped completely from all squads, go back to domestic and perform there. And they need to watch the success of other pakistani batsmen selected instead of them to improve their game.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Easy now bro. The majority of us know Amir is the best bowler we have and Babar is the best batting talent we have but Shehzad and Akmal have had enough chances. They need to to be dropped completely from all squads, go back to domestic and perform there. And they need to watch the success of other pakistani batsmen selected instead of them to improve their game.

Time to promote Umar Akmal back to odi squad and playing eleven. I think you missed the second T20i vs NZ.

Shehzad should be dropped and Umar Akmal should make comeback to odi squad.

 

[Mamoon]

The nz commies are hungry to see him with red ball. They are saying that they want don't want to see him against NZ though and only videos would be fine

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

He's a better Test bowler so it's understandable. Bowling has been okay but fitness looks short, plenty of time before the England tour though. Speaking of Boult, I think he's some time away from his best. Australian series might have come early for him.