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Who is the best of the lot?

The domestic numbers make all 3 look at the same level.

Aamer Yamin averages 24 with the bat and 34 with the ball.

Anwar Ali averages 25 with the bat and 35 with the ball.

Amad Butt averages 28 with the bat and 37 with the ball.

As per cricinfo Butt is a fast bowler while the other 2 are medium / medium fast. Anwar is a good fielder, not sure about the other two.
 
Aamer Yamin is more of a batting allrounder, Amad is more of a bowling allrounder who is beginning to gather steam in this past year. Both are good options to invest in.

Anwar Ali is just a rounder. No "all" involved.
 
I think you're answering the wrong question.

The question should be:

"Which Pakistani fast-bowling all-rounder has the greatest potential?"

The answer, clearly is Amad Butt. He's faster than the others and he's tall enough to be effective in every format of the game with the ball.

Once you have arrived at that conclusion, the next conclusion is how to optimize his development.

Don't just say "go back to domestic cricket, and when you're good enough we'll call you up".

Once you have identified his potential, you have to:

1. Select him for every tour (including UAE ones) in every format. That means he bowls to the best batsmen in the nets, and bats against the best bowlers there.

2. Force his team to select him in every First Class match.

3. Force his selection in every Pakistan A team.

If he fails after 18 months of that, fine, try someone else instead. But that grooming process is really important.
 
Amad seems to have the most potential. With the ball he is definitely ahead.

Yamin takes the batting.

AA takes fielding...

Amad and Yamin should both play ideally!
 
Amad can get into the side for his bowling alone.
 
Pakistan Odi Team :



Number 6 Aamer Yamin who should bowl 2 to 6 overs every match

Number 7 Sarfraz


Number 8 Amad Butt should bowl 10 overs.



Yamin should be considered a genuine batsman who can bowl abit. Because he is 5'7 only so he is easy to be hit on the up by agressive batsman.


SBP should send Yamin at number 5 or number 6 in both Fc and List A cricket next season. Don't destroy his career thinking of him as an Allrounder.
 
Yamin is the best batsman out of these guys easily. Should bat at 7 in ODIs
Amad is the bet bowler easily. Should bat at 8
Anwar Ali is garbage
 
Inzamam after Pakistan Cup mentioned that Amad has impressed him.

Inzamam has selected Umar Gul for number 8 slot giving him last chance. He will replace him with Amad Butt against WI unless Gul delivers magic in England which is abit unlikely.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Inzamam after Pakistan Cup mentioned that Amad has impressed him.

Inzamam has selected Umar Gul for number 8 slot giving him last chance. He will replace him with Amad Butt against WI unless Gul delivers magic in England which is abit unlikely.
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Please tell me this 100 percent true talent bhai!!! I am desperate for a fast bowling all rounder in our team!!!!
 
Anwar Ali is garbage but I respect him for the effort he puts towards his fielding but not good enough for international level.

Yamin is a clean striker of the ball, his bowling needs work but his batting is what is most important for us as we don't have a power hitter like him down the order.


Haven't seen much of Amad Butt but happy to trust [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] judgement.
 
There is space for both Yamin and Amad when playing outside Asia.

I don't think Anwar is likely to be in contention for the immediate future.
 
Hasan123 said:
Anwar Ali is garbage but I respect him for the effort he puts towards his fielding but not good enough for international level.

Yamin is a clean striker of the ball, his bowling needs work but his batting is what is most important for us as we don't have a power hitter like him down the order.


Haven't seen much of Amad Butt but happy to trust [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] judgement.
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I hope Mudassar & Mansoor Rana are refining his cricketing skills at NCA especially batting.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Yes but he would be going on leave after team is announced and will be back again training for National T20 cup.
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Oh good to hear. Inshallah he improves and keeps up his current fitness. Needs to make sure he is well built and hopefully keeps working on his batting
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
I hope Mudassar & Mansoor Rana are refining his cricketing skills at NCA especially batting.
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That's on Ammad himself really. Also depends on what he thinks of himself. Most Pakistanis are lazy and feel content with their main role.

If he himself wants more then there is no one stopping him to take more net sessions for batting.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
That's on Ammad himself really. Also depends on what he thinks of himself. Most Pakistanis are lazy and feel content with their main role.

If he himself wants more then there is no one stopping him to take more net sessions for batting.
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Actually you are right overall but a good guide is always good. Analyst records videos. Coaches discuss and analyse with analysts and than a plan is devised to do target based training than changes or fine tunings are practiced and repeated in nets and in matches.


After having a decent U-19 Wc Amad wasn't picked for next Fc season. It did not stop him. He improvised his fitness and increased his pace by 8 to 10 kph. So a Medium Fast Bowler made Fc debut as a Fast medium bowler after 2 years.


Wrt Fitness Amad Butt & Shehzad Azam Rana are the fittest fast bowlers and the ones in best possible professional shape in Pakistan though they can still get to Starc's level with more hard work. Amad is 21 and Rana is 31.


While amongst others only Wahab is Fine.



So i like his Professional Approach.
 
Both Yamin and Butt should play.

7. Yamin
8. Wasim
9. Butt
10. Hassan

This is a very strong tail.
 
Yamin is over-rated, there are much better batsmen than him on the sidelines. As for bowling, he is barely a part-timer, even Umar Amin or Hammad Azam's dibbly dobbly medium pace is better.
 
Amad isn't an allrounder.

He can't hold the bat properly and play good cricketing shots, defend and score consistently.

Or, if you're the same guy who thinks Sohail Tanvir is an allrounder, you will see an AR in AMAD too.

Plus Amad isn't a threatening bowler, a specialist at nothing.

Yamin is the only one who can bat properly.

Let us not hype everyone.
 
Hawkeye said:
Amad isn't an allrounder.

He can't hold the bat properly and play good cricketing shots, defend and score consistently.

Or, if you're the same guy who thinks Sohail Tanvir is an allrounder, you will see an AR in AMAD too.

Plus Amad isn't a threatening bowler, a specialist at nothing.

Yamin is the only one who can bat properly.

Let us not hype everyone.
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What do you mean by not threatening. He can coventionally swing the ball and also reverse the ball at a pace up and around 135KPH.

No one ever said he was an all rounder. If you've watched him you would know he's a bowling all rounder.

His runs don't have to come in a fashionable manner.

All he needs to do is score 20-30 a game and picking up a wicket or two, which I believe he is more than capable of doing.
 
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Ellipsism said:
What do you mean by not threatening. He can coventionally swing the ball and also reverse the ball at a pace up and around 135KPH.

No one ever said he was an all rounder. If you've watched him you would know he's a bowling all rounder.

His runs don't have to come in a fashionable manner.

All he needs to do is score 20-30 a game and picking up a wicket or two, which I believe he is more than capable of doing.
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Wahab Riaz, Sohail Khan and Sohail Tanvir can also give you 20 - 30 slogged runs on most days.

Point is they're not reliable bats but are still considered allrounders by many. Amad is a better bowler than any of these ? NO .

Allrounder is someone like Chris Woakes or Stokes. Dependable bats and proper bowlers.

Yamin is a good bat but not Woakes level bowler.
 
endymion248 said:
Yamin is over-rated, there are much better batsmen than him on the sidelines. As for bowling, he is barely a part-timer, even Umar Amin or Hammad Azam's dibbly dobbly medium pace is better.
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Only decent young batsmen who has ability to play the big shots. We really lack the firepower down the order in LOIs.
 
Outside Asia

7.M Nawaz
8.M Amir
9.H Ali
10.W Riaz
11.Z Haq

A Yamin and A Butt needs tobe groomed properly bfore introduced in t team.coz it might reduce their confidence if they dont do well...

A Yamin (shud improve bowling to bowl atleas 5-6 overs)

A Butt(He's t only one who can bcome genuine all rounder for Pakistan...for tat he has to improve his batting and bowling).He has some natural gifts to bcome genuine all rounder..lik height, fitness, still young...also he's in IU in PSL..he shud work a lot wit Wasim and jones..wasim especially

Both shud be groomed till CT2017...Only then they shud be selected but not for CT..But Instead against Sri lanka.i yhink its in oct 2017..till oct 2017..they both shud work a lot on their skills and fitness...
 
Sadly Amad is having technical issues. Was excellent and faster in last pakistan cup.


Potential wise 8-9 years old Ehsanullah has got more potential. Hope he becomes 6 feet tall.

[UTUBE]Z0jgWcGPGck[/UTUBE]
 
Hawkeye said:
Amad isn't an allrounder.

He can't hold the bat properly and play good cricketing shots, defend and score consistently.

Or, if you're the same guy who thinks Sohail Tanvir is an allrounder, you will see an AR in AMAD too.

Plus Amad isn't a threatening bowler, a specialist at nothing.

Yamin is the only one who can bat properly.

Let us not hype everyone.
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Agree completely. Yamin is the only one with potential. Anwar is crap, a slogger who might come off with the bat in 1 in 10 matches, and not much better with the ball. A couple of his most recent innings with the bat in LOIs were embarrassing to say the least.Does give his all though but nowhere near good enough for ODIs. Butt doesn't impress from what little I have seen of him. His batting technique is flawed and as you rightly pointed out, he is just another Tanvir with the bat and surely can't be picked for bowling alone.

Yamin, on the other hand has all the ingredients to slot in at 7 or 8 as a power hitting a/r who could bowl 5-7 overs (even 10 on his day) and score a quick fire 25-30 or make a more meaningful contribution when needed. That last is another thing which disqualifies the other two imo. Given his comparatively better technique, Yamin can be handy on a day when the top order collapses unlike the other two.
 
Anwar Ali is gone, Amad was just hype, never seen anything special. I'll pick Yamin in National team & Nasir Newaz as his under study - 10 years younger than Yamin; by 2020, he can be a world class all-rounder.
 
Why no mention of Bilal Asif? Poor guy never played after taking a 5-fer. Did not Pakistan need an off spinner who could bat a little bit too?
 
MMHS said:
Anwar Ali is gone, Amad was just hype, never seen anything special. I'll pick Yamin in National team & Nasir Newaz as his under study - 10 years younger than Yamin; by 2020, he can be a world class all-rounder.
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You rate Nasir Nawaz?
 
With regards to OP, Yamin is the best out of the lot and hopefully he gets a call-up ahead of the CT.

Amad is too raw at the moment while Anwar is finished.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Sadly Amad is having technical issues. Was excellent and faster in last pakistan cup.


Potential wise 8-9 years old Ehsanullah has got more potential. Hope he becomes 6 feet tall.

[UTUBE]Z0jgWcGPGck[/UTUBE]
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Loved the kid :)) let him enjoy his game, the guy reporting is really hilarious:)))
 
The_Odd_One said:
Why no mention of Bilal Asif? Poor guy never played after taking a 5-fer. Did not Pakistan need an off spinner who could bat a little bit too?
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I think he is someone who should be considered in t20s and potentially fighting imad for an odi spot. Its his age though that goes against him imo
 
Junaids said:
I think you're answering the wrong question.

The question should be:

"Which Pakistani fast-bowling all-rounder has the greatest potential?"

The answer, clearly is Amad Butt. He's faster than the others and he's tall enough to be effective in every format of the game with the ball.

Once you have arrived at that conclusion, the next conclusion is how to optimize his development.

Don't just say "go back to domestic cricket, and when you're good enough we'll call you up".

Once you have identified his potential, you have to:

1. Select him for every tour (including UAE ones) in every format. That means he bowls to the best batsmen in the nets, and bats against the best bowlers there.

2. Force his team to select him in every First Class match.

3. Force his selection in every Pakistan A team.
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If he fails after 18 months of that, fine, try someone else instead. But that grooming process is really important.
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WINDIES since they had the board vs players combat after Gayle was given the captain, started way back in 2008... they have been the following this formula and the successful players as a result only Darren Bravo, Sammy and Holder to some extent...
 
All three need to increase their speed may be another 2-3mph, and except Yamin, the other two are very much bits and pieces..
 
Yamin is the best batsman out of the lot, but his bowling is mediocre.

If Anwar Ali can regain his bowling from his early days, then he would be a huge asset (granted he improves his batting further).

Don't rate Ammad.
 
Aamer Yamin is the best we have as an all-rounder , don't know where is Hammad Azam these days. We should give Yamin a good run in LOI like 10-20 matches to prove his worth and then maybe he can solve our 5th bowler problem in test matches as well.
 
Square Drive said:
You rate Nasir Nawaz?
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Seen too little to rate, but I think he is quite decent bat, looks technically good & has shots. Kid is already 6'+, therefore if he is willing in couple of years time he can reach 140KM level & bat at 7. I think, it's more important to find bowling all-rounders, than batting all-rounder - that's someone who can make the team on bowling, but good enough to bat at 8 or even 7. Imran, Botham & Kapil were good enough to bat at 5 & they took the 1st over of bowling.

7/8 years back, Hammad Azam was very much similar - tall, decent bat, could reach 130km+ (I think, I saw him clocking 88.1 MPH in one ball, but that can be technical error of speed gun reading) & brilliant fielder - PCB ruined Hammad's career. This kid Nawaz can end up like Hammad or Razzak based on what PCB does in next 2 years.
 
spade said:
Loved the kid :)) let him enjoy his game, the guy reporting is really hilarious:)))
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Well said.


He is trying to be hilarious to get as many fb views as possible. That's his way :-)


Ehsanullah is find of former Pakistan Captain Sana Mir. He has got alot of natural ability. MashaAllah.
 
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