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Aamir Sohail criticises Sarfaraz during CT, new video post#206; PEMRA asks for apology post#252

[MENTION=17315]Stewie[/MENTION]
Let's assume all of this is true. In a clean match, a team has to still play well to win that game. Adjusting to conditions is a common part of cricket and the opposition can really not claim that as an excuse for losing.

Which is why his statement about the Ireland-Pak game sounds unreasonable. What was Pakistan, a top international side, doing unable to handle some grass on a pitch?

You can adjust the conditions all you want, but so long as the players, umpires and toss are clean, it requires a team playing well on that day to win.
 
The comments are very dodgy, should be getting behind the team especially as he is the president of an agency that represents players in the ODI set up like Azhar Ali, Mohammad Hafeez and Junaid Khan
 
pillionrider said:
[MENTION=17315]Stewie[/MENTION]
Let's assume all of this is true. In a clean match, a team has to still play well to win that game. Adjusting to conditions is a common part of cricket and the opposition can really not claim that as an excuse for losing.

Which is why his statement about the Ireland-Pak game sounds unreasonable. What was Pakistan, a top international side, doing unable to handle some grass on a pitch?

You can adjust the conditions all you want, but so long as the players, umpires and toss are clean, it requires a team playing well on that day to win.
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I never said ICC is fixing the result. Sometimes these decisions work and if not then it takes the other team to play reallly well. I don't know about Ireland Pakistan game. I don't think anyone saw that coming. But England vs Pakistan and Pakistan vs India at Mohali (typically green wicket and then you get a turner for the semi final) even the ball tracker went crazy that day.

Morgan was rightly annoyed. You would question such conditions too if you were in his place. It's a semi final. How many semifinals these days are played on used surfaces? In England of all places!

Like I said, it does not mean the result will go hundred percent the way intended but it means that 1. The under dog might win 2. The game will not be as one sided.

In either case ICC wins because viewership goes up and people talk about it. Let's face it, if it all went according to form book, and the semis were contested by India, England, Australia and South Africa and the same old
Monotonous setting of 300 plus targets being chased in the 40-odd overs, there would not have been so much excitement generated.

Bangladesh had to produce an upset and an India pakistan final is the icing on the cake. Now you and I are here talking about and so are so many other people. Social media is going crazy and come Sunday, viewership will break records.

If the tournament had proceeded according to the form book: with England vs Australia or India vs South Africa, in the final, this much hype would not have been generated. The tournament will be over in two weeks and completely forgotten in a week.

Just some thoughts, I understand if it sounds outlandish to most but hopefully you will at least aknowledge there are some sound arguments there and as it just so happens cooncidentally that Aamer Sohail in his outburst kind of supported this argument I had made a while back.
 
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Stewie said:
Probably you are referring to me. I have long believed that is the case.
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]. Do you honestly believe ICC is an institution of high morals and integrity?

If that's the case, you have probably not studied their decisions in history. Starting from. It's colonial era beginnings, when England and Australia lorded over everyone to the time how Ireland, Scotland and Netherlands, Kenya were kept away from the elites table and yet Bangladesh giventest status because they beat Pakistan in 99. That's right. On the basis of one game only. When highly consistent and better sides were ignored. Kenya beat West Indies in 96 World Cup. Why were they not given test status.

The answer is profits. Bangladesh has much higher following, market analysis showed the game will generate more money than Pakistan in years to come and it is actually true now. How about the big three fiasco?

Global sports is not about the game anymore. It's a business. Like NFL, Soccer premier leagues, NBA, etc, etc. ICC is here to make money. Why do you think USA is on Cric info front page so often, despite the mismanagement at USACA, yet ICC is desperate to promote the game here? While a full test nation has not seen any tours for almost ten years now?

Everything is quantified, analyzed, statiscally checked and it all sticks. These minor manipulations can easily shift the balance of the games.

They knew getting Pakistan to the final would immediately save this dwindling tournament and get people to start watching ODIs again.


Call me paranoid delusional or whatever, but you have to admit there are often some very subtle variations in parameters which require explanation.
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All the examples you have given are administrative decisions of ICC. Any documented proofs that they have manipulated match results? Did ICC cause rains as well to get India an easy match against BD?

Sorry but Yes, i will call you paranoid delusional just like Amir sohail who is the brand ambassador of delusional talks. I hope ICC or PCB sue him for his statement.

This is the last thing Pakistan team needed to hear before a big final. That they arent good enough to win a match on their own.
 
Ridiculous and foolish statement made by Aamir Sohail. highly irresponsible and its all about getting the spotlight for himself which he has done. Really putting pakistans efforts down to match fixing is a complete and pathetic joke.
 
Madplayer said:
All the examples you have given are administrative decisions of ICC. Any documented proofs that they have manipulated match results? Did ICC cause rains as well to get India an easy match against BD?

Sorry but Yes, i will call you paranoid delusional just like Amir sohail who is the brand ambassador of delusional talks. I hope ICC or PCB sue him for his statement.

This is the last thing Pakistan team needed to hear before a big final. That they arent good enough to win a match on their own.
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Lol and that is fine with me. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. Nothing will give me greater pleasure to see Pakistan beat India against all odds on Sunday. I would be over the moon, in fact.
 
Just watched Sohail clarification video. He Pakistan won because of used pitches and prayers :afridi
 
amir sohail must have some shame

instead of apologizing his idiotic insulting rants, he is trying to defend them again and again and creating controversy when the team is just one day away from playing CT final

this is beyond pathetic from senior ex cricketers

indian media cannot create such damage what so called ex senior cricketers can do

pakistan media being pathetic as usual giving all the air time to this pathetic guy and pemra also not acting on his idiotic rants
 
its responsibiility of other ex cricketers to negate this amir propaganda against pakistan team by giving statements denouncing amir sohail and boost morae of the cricket team.
 
Stewie said:
I never said ICC is fixing the result. Sometimes these decisions work and if not then it takes the other team to play reallly well. I don't know about Ireland Pakistan game. I don't think anyone saw that coming. But England vs Pakistan and Pakistan vs India at Mohali (typically green wicket and then you get a turner for the semi final) even the ball tracker went crazy that day.

Morgan was rightly annoyed. You would question such conditions too if you were in his place. It's a semi final. How many semifinals these days are played on used surfaces? In England of all places!

Like I said, it does not mean the result will go hundred percent the way intended but it means that 1. The under dog might win 2. The game will not be as one sided.

In either case ICC wins because viewership goes up and people talk about it. Let's face it, if it all went according to form book, and the semis were contested by India, England, Australia and South Africa and the same old
Monotonous setting of 300 plus targets being chased in the 40-odd overs, there would not have been so much excitement generated.

Bangladesh had to produce an upset and an India pakistan final is the icing on the cake. Now you and I are here talking about and so are so many other people. Social media is going crazy and come Sunday, viewership will break records.

If the tournament had proceeded according to the form book: with England vs Australia or India vs South Africa, in the final, this much hype would not have been generated. The tournament will be over in two weeks and completely forgotten in a week.

Just some thoughts, I understand if it sounds outlandish to most but hopefully you will at least aknowledge there are some sound arguments there and as it just so happens cooncidentally that Aamer Sohail in his outburst kind of supported this argument I had made a while back.
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Ok I hear you. Even David Llyod is coping a lot of steam on twitter for saying that SF should always be played on a brand new pitch and not a used pitch. In fact India's pitch was a brand new one in Edgbaston where as Pakistan, played on the same pitch. I don't know why and it really doesn't matter coz they were the better team on that day by miles.

However, what i am not ready to buy is the fact that, id the conditions were made to suit Pakistan, then why does Pakistan have such a poor record in similar conditions in UAE? Yes a few changes in team alright, but the core is still the same - Amir, Azhar, Sarfaraz, Hafeez, Malik, Imad etc.
Pakistan brought out their A game end of story. England had not been tested against a gun bowling line up before that game.
 
LONDON: Pakistan Cricket Board Friday lodged a protest with Pakistan Electronic Management and Regulatory Authority (PEMRA) over comments made by former captain Amir Sohail implying that Pakistan’s win in the Champions trophy were influenced from outside sources.

Sohail had alleged Pakistan has been ‘awarded’ wins by people he knows.

“There is a need to tell Sarfraz that he has not done any wonders,” said Sohail on Samaa tv.

“Someone has helped you win matches, so don’t show off. We know everything what happens and what not happens. Don’t ask who did, I will give answer that its prayers and Allah but will not tell the sources. He (Sarfraz) is brought (by someone).”

Amir further said Sarfraz should control his mind.

“Don’t come to our heads,” he warned Sarfraz.

“We know you ability, so play cricket quietly. If you do something wrong, we will tell you that you are doing wrong, if do correctly, we will appreciate but even if you are doing it correctly we will let you know about your mistakes, so keep your mind under control else you cannot survive for long.”

PCB chairman Shaharyar Khan told ARY news that a protest has been lodged with PEMRA.

“Sohail’s comments on the team and Sarfraz when the team is winning and is in the final are unacceptable and we have lodged a protest with PEMRA as to how such comments were aired,” Khan said.

“PCB backs Sarfraz, the team management and the team and the whole nation is behind in this.”

Khan said Sohail’s comments are unacceptable and despicable.

“At a time when the whole nation is celebrating and anticipating a win in the final against India such comments are unacceptable.”

Indian media had a field day on Sohail’s comments, highlighting that Pakistan’s wins were helped by bookie mafia.

https://arysports.tv/pcb-lodges-protest-with-pemra-on-amir-sohails-comments/
 
Madplayer said:
Thats very naive of you.

He clearly alluded to wins being handed over to Pakistan for some hidden reason. Perhaps to milk money from and IndoPak final.
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Well PakPassion get a blog written from him, maybe we can get the matter cleared up?
 
when ganguly starts defending sarfraz ahmed, pakistan team from so called senior ex cricketers like amir sohail and pak media, you can realize how pathetic our ex cricketers and their opinions and pak media in general
 
His justification for his comments was even worse than what he said in the first place. He has managed to completely embarrass himself over the last two days.
 
To be honest, as an Indian cricket fan, i have always liked his frank opinions in the past. I admired that he doesn't lick boots for $$$. Wasim, Shoaib and other Pakistani cricketers always have nice things to say in India but then flip their opinions when go back to Pakistan. However, this time frankly it was ridiculous hearing those comments from Amir Sohail. I mean come on man, why would you do that to your own team?. If he has an axe to grind with PCB officials atleast wait before the final match. He kind of killed the buzz of Indo-pak final atleast for me with his match fixing allegations. Now i know the response, if India wins: "Hey BCCI's $$$, paid umpires ,Indian bookies, PCB forfeited the match for possibility of bilateral series with India". If Pak wins "We are cornered tigers n blah blah".
 
What a bitter person. This team has shown so much spirit made every single pakistani proud and this is what he has to say!

I just wish PP would ban such threads.
 
IAJ said:
I saw a clip of the video and Amir really looked angry, wonder what the real issue is. I have read some of Amir's others comment during CT and those comments really looked good where he was encouraging management to play players at the bench, so what has happend all of sudden?

Honestly after watching the clip I have almost already given up the final, gave me bad taste in mouth. This thread should never have been created in first place.
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Same here...wish I had never opened this thread..
 
I lost all respect for Aamir Sohail, when he gave a political motivated statement against Imran Khan in India.
He called for an Inquiry against Shane warne when he predicted that match will be a tie.
& now this unhinged stuff.
 
What i find hilarious is Sohail's excuse he made his comments in anger after feeling Sarfaraz dared to insult Javed Miandad.

I remember Aamir Sohail as chief selector used to get in frequent fights with Javed Miandad as coach in 2003 where both could rarely see eye to eye. I find it funny how they both back each other in the media once outside the PCB.

Personal likes and Dislikes from former players has always hurt Pakistan Cricket.
 
EliteCynical said:
Ok I hear you. Even David Llyod is coping a lot of steam on twitter for saying that SF should always be played on a brand new pitch and not a used pitch. In fact India's pitch was a brand new one in Edgbaston where as Pakistan, played on the same pitch. I don't know why and it really doesn't matter coz they were the better team on that day by miles.

However, what i am not ready to buy is the fact that, id the conditions were made to suit Pakistan, then why does Pakistan have such a poor record in similar conditions in UAE? Yes a few changes in team alright, but the core is still the same - Amir, Azhar, Sarfaraz, Hafeez, Malik, Imad etc.
Pakistan brought out their A game end of story. England had not been tested against a gun bowling line up before that game.
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Let's not take any credit from the team. No they fully deserved the win and would have probably beaten England even on a fresh surface.

I'll go as far as to say, I am confident we will beat India as well even if the pitch supports them.

But these opinions are beside the point, aren't they?
 
Now he is saying in Takra program that Pak team being helped by ICC by providing used pitches as strong Pak team is good for cricket. He has Lost it all. Allah give him some sense before he opens mouth against his own country.
 
Who needs enemies with friends like this?

Pakistani media should take a stand and not give him a platform until he wholeheartedly apologies for his stupid and unnecessary comments just days before the biggest game in decades.
 
Mamoon said:
His justification for his comments was even worse than what he said in the first place. He has managed to completely embarrass himself over the last two days.
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Has any ex-Pakistani player not gone down this route?

Any time mouths open, even if at the start it seems something one can behind, as time progresses it just slowly deteriorates.

I'm not sure any retired player who has opened their mouth in Pakistan is of any value at this point.
 
Stewie said:
Lol and that is fine with me. You are entitled to your opinion as am I. Nothing will give me greater pleasure to see Pakistan beat India against all odds on Sunday. I would be over the moon, in fact.
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I'm sorry if i offended you. Its just that i feel at this time, it was a very irresponsible statement to make. It sends out a very bad message to the team. You never hear Indian ex players say such things because if whatever Amir said is true, it must be true for india too who have such a big fanbase. But why is it the moral responsibility of Ex Pakistani (mentally short) players to belittle the performances of their own players and "expose" ICC's plot? Why did this tool never say this when India used to get advantages during tournaments?

I have seriously begun to think that there is something wrong with the culture in Pakistan because i dont see such bitter, mentally incompetent ex-players in any other country. Rameez raja, for all his flaws, is a true ambassador of Pakistani cricket who has upheld the integrity of Pakistan and portrayed Pakistan in a good light worldover.
 
Ilan Bluestone said:
Has any ex-Pakistani player not gone down this route?

Any time mouths open, even if at the start it seems something one can behind, as time progresses it just slowly deteriorates.

I'm not sure any retired player who has opened their mouth in Pakistan is of any value at this point.
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The timing is quite pathetic as well, and it is particularly disappointed because he is known to be a rare sane voice in Pakistan cricket. Sarfraz did the right thing by not "dedicating" the SL win to Miandad. The team needs to keep a distance from these folks.
 
Mamoon said:
The timing is quite pathetic as well, and it is particularly disappointed because he is known to be a rare sane voice in Pakistan cricket. Sarfraz did the right thing by not "dedicating" the SL win to Miandad. The team needs to keep a distance from these folks.
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Thats a hoax. Sarfaraz was never asked about miandad, neither did he mention miandad himself. This hoax was spread by gutter journalism in Pakistan. Sarfraz was simply asked if he would dedicate the win to anyone and he said no he wont.
 
Why would you ever dedicate your win to anyone, maybe your family or coach is fine but some random player? What did Mindad did to get the credit for the win, it was merely a coincidence that his birthday came to the same day.

If Pakistan win the final somehow, nobody should ever take the credit beside Captain, players and coach... Selectors did their best to get Pakistan out from group stages by selecting Umar Akmal, Wahab Riaz, Hafeez, Azhar and Shezad.
 
Madplayer said:
I have seriously begun to think that there is something wrong with the culture in Pakistan because i dont see such bitter, mentally incompetent ex-players in any other country. Rameez raja, for all his flaws, is a true ambassador of Pakistani cricket who has upheld the integrity of Pakistan and portrayed Pakistan in a good light worldover.
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Pakistani ex-cricketers are either insecure, have poor cricketing understanding or have bias and agendas. Probably the only guy I respect in Pakistan as an ex-cricketer is Mudassar Nazar.
 
Madplayer said:
Thats a hoax. Sarfaraz was never asked about miandad, neither did he mention miandad himself. This hoax was spread by gutter journalism in Pakistan. Sarfraz was simply asked if he would dedicate the win to anyone and he said no he wont.
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That's a bit disappointing. Would love to see a current player stand up to these ex-players, most of whom were certified chokers of their time. Especially the class of the 90s.

You have to admit the guts of Aamer Sohail though, he still has the audacity to run his mouth after what happened with him in Bangalore in 1996. A man of dignity would probably have announced his retirement there and then.
 
Amir needs to stop watching as he doesnt like what he sees. For a guy that chose Junaid Zia, he rates himself far too highly.
 
Stewie said:
Probably you are referring to me. I have long believed that is the case.
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]. Do you honestly believe ICC is an institution of high morals and integrity?

If that's the case, you have probably not studied their decisions in history. Starting from. It's colonial era beginnings, when England and Australia lorded over everyone to the time how Ireland, Scotland and Netherlands, Kenya were kept away from the elites table and yet Bangladesh giventest status because they beat Pakistan in 99. That's right. On the basis of one game only. When highly consistent and better sides were ignored. Kenya beat West Indies in 96 World Cup. Why were they not given test status.

The answer is profits. Bangladesh has much higher following, market analysis showed the game will generate more money than Pakistan in years to come and it is actually true now. How about the big three fiasco?

Global sports is not about the game anymore. It's a business. Like NFL, Soccer premier leagues, NBA, etc, etc. ICC is here to make money. Why do you think USA is on Cric info front page so often, despite the mismanagement at USACA, yet ICC is desperate to promote the game here? While a full test nation has not seen any tours for almost ten years now?

Everything is quantified, analyzed, statiscally checked and it all sticks. These minor manipulations can easily shift the balance of the games.

They knew getting Pakistan to the final would immediately save this dwindling tournament and get people to start watching ODIs again.


Call me paranoid delusional or whatever, but you have to admit there are often some very subtle variations in parameters which require explanation.
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As much as I personally felt extreme dislike for Aamer Sohail making those bitter comments about Sarfraz and lying about press conference, as well as downplaying the resilience shown by this young Pakistan side (which is shameful), I gotta admit that in this entire thread, [MENTION=17315]Stewie[/MENTION] seems the only one to be making a weird sense out of the most integral part of what Aamer said (i.e facilitators).
 
Pakistan and India should never qualify for a tournament final again because it would result in people making match-fixing allegations. Of course, there could be no cricketing reasons behind it. In addition, the ICC for some reason had to wait 10 years to make these two teams play in a final again.

Aamer Sohail is talking unadulterated rubbish. That's all.
 
Madplayer said:
I'm sorry if i offended you. Its just that i feel at this time, it was a very irresponsible statement to make. It sends out a very bad message to the team. You never hear Indian ex players say such things because if whatever Amir said is true, it must be true for india too who have such a big fanbase. But why is it the moral responsibility of Ex Pakistani (mentally short) players to belittle the performances of their own players and "expose" ICC's plot? Why did this tool never say this when India used to get advantages during tournaments?

I have seriously begun to think that there is something wrong with the culture in Pakistan because i dont see such bitter, mentally incompetent ex-players in any other country. Rameez raja, for all his flaws, is a true ambassador of Pakistani cricket who has upheld the integrity of Pakistan and portrayed Pakistan in a good light worldover.
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You don't owe me anything and I am not contesting the timing of his statement.

Sometimes it's very difficult to get your point across on cyber space. I never said whether Sohail should have said what he said or agreed with the timing of his statement. You can go back and reread this whole thread. I am puzzled as to what gave you that idea. I am just playing the devils advocate because I personally do believe there is some weight I what he said .

But NOT how and when he said it.
 
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As much as I personally felt extreme dislike for Aamer Sohail making those bitter comments about Sarfraz and lying about press conference, as well as downplaying the resilience shown by this young Pakistan side (which is shameful), I gotta admit that in this entire thread, [MENTION=17315]Stewie[/MENTION] seems the only one to be making a weird sense out of the most integral part of what Aamer said (i.e facilitators).
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So we need an India vs Pakistan final to save the ODI format, I don't buy it.
 
Stewie said:
I never said ICC is fixing the result. Sometimes these decisions work and if not then it takes the other team to play reallly well. I don't know about Ireland Pakistan game. I don't think anyone saw that coming. But England vs Pakistan and Pakistan vs India at Mohali (typically green wicket and then you get a turner for the semi final) even the ball tracker went crazy that day.

Morgan was rightly annoyed. You would question such conditions too if you were in his place. It's a semi final. How many semifinals these days are played on used surfaces? In England of all places!

Like I said, it does not mean the result will go hundred percent the way intended but it means that 1. The under dog might win 2. The game will not be as one sided.

In either case ICC wins because viewership goes up and people talk about it. Let's face it, if it all went according to form book, and the semis were contested by India, England, Australia and South Africa and the same old
Monotonous setting of 300 plus targets being chased in the 40-odd overs, there would not have been so much excitement generated.

Bangladesh had to produce an upset and an India pakistan final is the icing on the cake. Now you and I are here talking about and so are so many other people. Social media is going crazy and come Sunday, viewership will break records.

If the tournament had proceeded according to the form book: with England vs Australia or India vs South Africa, in the final, this much hype would not have been generated. The tournament will be over in two weeks and completely forgotten in a week.

Just some thoughts, I understand if it sounds outlandish to most but hopefully you will at least aknowledge there are some sound arguments there and as it just so happens cooncidentally that Aamer Sohail in his outburst kind of supported this argument I had made a while back.
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Come on. Nobody expected pak to get out the group.
Shouldn't the WC QF v Aus have been on a used wicket??
 
Aamir Sohail has anger management issues. Does anyone remember when he was a commentator for Ten Sports and he had an argument on-air live with an Aussie? Most people don't remember it...it was a long time ago (I think 2003). The guy is a loose canon.
 
Wowqar said:
Aamir Sohail has anger management issues. Does anyone remember when he was a commentator for Ten Sports and he had an argument on-air live with an Aussie? Most people don't remember it...it was a long time ago (I think 2003). The guy is a loose canon.
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Mike Haysman was the poor guy who had to endure churlish attitude of Aamer at that time (but i doubt it was 2003 , more like 2005 or 2006)
 
When Ganguly defends Pak team and denounces Amir Sohail but no so called senior cricketers could
 
Stewie said:
You don't owe me anything and I am not contesting the timing of his statement.

Sometimes it's very difficult to get your point across on cyber space. I never said whether Sohail should have said what he said or agreed with the timing of his statement. You can go back and reread this whole thread. I am puzzled as to what gave you that idea. I am just playing the devils advocate because I personally do believe there is some weight I what he said .

But NOT how and when he said it.
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I think you misunderstood my last post. I never mentioned that you agree with amir sohail's timing of this statement. I was speaking generally about what is so antagonizing about his statement and that why no one else says such things about their teams. He might be as well be 100% correct about ICC providing certain teams with certain advantages but why do only Pakistani "experts" have to take the moral high ground and criticise their own team for benefitting from such things? Why doesnt a ganguly or a ponting say this about their teams? This is what makes it painful to see.
 
Pete Rose said:
As someone who tries to be jaded about how rotten the world can be sometimes, I have to say my heart hurts to hear these comments from Aamir. Whatever his reasons, his excuses, his public religious convictions I don't know how some can say such hurtful things. It's not about match-fixing - that's a reputation that pakistan has earned well. It's just the optics of it all. Here is an eighth ranked team with all the systemic disadvsbtages that are well documented, making a fairy tale run in this tournament and this where Aamir's mind is? There is no bottom on Pakistan cricket, it seems.
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100% agreed, I couldn't believe the article first time I read it, thought it was masala, and that too from Aamer no less. Sounds like something you'd expect from S. Nawaz or something, hopefully Sarfraz doesn't take this to heart.
 
Nonsense comments.

Incredibly sad that he sees conspiracy in this amazing performance by Pakistan.


I just don't understand why he is so angry.
 
We really have some geniuses in this thread

So ICC waited ten years before the bright idea of a Pakistan India final

Also the Used Cardiff pitch in the semi final aspect was known well before the tournament started
 
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I dont buy Aamer's logic. Any body who does is a fool. He is trying to spin it now on the ICC. By the way I have not heard any valid confirmation about sarfraz supposedly making statement that Miandad criticizes lot.

I can now see how he got Pmln ticket. Is ki b dawae ka time hogya he
 
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He's understood that it did not go down well and has since put out encouraging comments. Forgive and forget
 
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He is wishing the team well, its unfortunate that he said those things in the heat of the moment, and they were caught on camera... which unfortunately means it will be replayed again and again, but atleast he is trying to be positive about the team and Sarfaraz.. I guess he should be forgiven
 
Pete Rose said:
He's understood that it did not go down well and has since put out encouraging comments. Forgive and forget
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I agree. I Never enjoy a person being cornered. Even though what Amir said was wrong imo, i dont like to see him or anyone in this position where everyone starts to ridicule and shower abuses on him. Should be forgiven but if you say something on video, it will be very hard to escape from its repercussions.
 
Harbajan Singh and Sourav Ganguly smashing Aamer Sohail over his comment

To be very honest I don't give a damn what sourav ganguly and harbajan singh says about Pakistan team but what they are talking about Aamer our cricket pundits over their comments is a disgrace.

[video]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BydJIra3vO39eGtNQ3Q3V1BmME0/view?usp=drivesdk[/video]
 
Hahaha Bhaji took Sohail to task and was like Sohail probably smoked some drugs.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Impressive comments.
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It's such an even bigger embarrassment for Aamir Sohail when even the parosi are telling you to grow a spine and speak sense when it comes to your team whilst supporting them, big big besti and Pakistan look really bad; Sohail has bought shame on his country.

In a recent video Sohail is backtracking on his comments and is stating that he said no such thing and that social media took everything out of context
 
waleed88 said:
He is wishing the team well, its unfortunate that he said those things in the heat of the moment, and they were caught on camera... which unfortunately means it will be replayed again and again, but atleast he is trying to be positive about the team and Sarfaraz.. I guess he should be forgiven
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To be honest, this is all reactive from him, he has no doubt received feedback from all quarters about public opinion against him and this is all damage control from him. He has been made to look like a complete fool and hopefully in the future he will learn to reign in his egoistic and narcissistic instincts.
 
shaz619 said:
It's such an even bigger embarrassment for Aamir Sohail when even the parosi are telling you to grow a spine and speak sense when it comes to your team whilst supporting them, big big besti and Pakistan look really bad; Sohail has bought shame on his country.

In a recent video Sohail is backtracking on his comments and is stating that he said no such thing and that social media took everything out of context
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I actually felt slightly agitated when Ganguly said that it just show's your country's culture but the truth is, he's not wrong. It really does show you how the traditions of Pakistan are. Some of our legendary retired players have made such claims and its embarrassing. Examples include Miandad, Sarfraz Nawaz..
 
Actually Amir Sohail has a media history post retirement which has been controversy free.


This came out of nowhere and is a result of wrong information fed to Amir Sohail.


In a Post match press talk Sarfraz was asked if he would dedicate the win to Birthday Boy Javed Miandad. At this Sarfraz said that He does not want to dedicate it to any one person because than issues get created.

Probably Sarfraz did not hear the Birthday part otherwise I think he would have decided the win to Legend Javed on his Birthday.


Amir Sohail was fed with wrong information. He was told that Sarfraz said that No I won't dedicate the win to Javed Miandad because He criticises Me alot.

At this Amir Sohail reacted & over reacted. He should have seen the Press Talk video himself and than should have commented.


It was all Misunderstanding.
 
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Stewie said:
Probably you are referring to me. I have long believed that is the case.
[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION]. Do you honestly believe ICC is an institution of high morals and integrity?

If that's the case, you have probably not studied their decisions in history. Starting from. It's colonial era beginnings, when England and Australia lorded over everyone to the time how Ireland, Scotland and Netherlands, Kenya were kept away from the elites table and yet Bangladesh giventest status because they beat Pakistan in 99. That's right. On the basis of one game only. When highly consistent and better sides were ignored. Kenya beat West Indies in 96 World Cup. Why were they not given test status.

The answer is profits. Bangladesh has much higher following, market analysis showed the game will generate more money than Pakistan in years to come and it is actually true now. How about the big three fiasco?

Global sports is not about the game anymore. It's a business. Like NFL, Soccer premier leagues, NBA, etc, etc. ICC is here to make money. Why do you think USA is on Cric info front page so often, despite the mismanagement at USACA, yet ICC is desperate to promote the game here? While a full test nation has not seen any tours for almost ten years now?

Everything is quantified, analyzed, statiscally checked and it all sticks. These minor manipulations can easily shift the balance of the games.

They knew getting Pakistan to the final would immediately save this dwindling tournament and get people to start watching ODIs again.


Call me paranoid delusional or whatever, but you have to admit there are often some very subtle variations in parameters which require explanation.
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I doubt very much ICC would intentionally do something to harm England, which is a very powerful member.

Even if the pitch was given with the thought of helping Pakistan, one cannot deduce that from the evidence available. And if you don't have solid evidence, then don't make these accusations in public just when your country has a feel good moment after years of turmoil. Very low class to make such an accusation.

Conspiracy theories seem to have taken a strong hold on many Pakistanis.
 
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This is on the PCB now. If someone is attacking their player (and captain), they need to stand up for him to make sure this doesn't continue to happen every few months

Should take Sohail (the clown of 96) to court
 
LOL Sohail's going to be a wanted man when the blame game starts if PAK lose tomorrow. I hope he has made security arrangements.
 
Yeah it was whatever it was but you have to be responsible for your actions.

His comments were ill times and now he is in damage control mode. Khisyani billi khamba nochey. No use now.

I wonder what happens to this guy sometimes. Still the crazy angry young man of the 90s even at this age. Generally his analysis are very intelligent and I like to hear his views, but you have to think before you open your mouth and how you say some things, regardless of their nature.

I actually kind of believe what he said but the way he said it, With innuendo and bashed sarfaraz and the timing of the whole thing, well it just put us as a nation under bad light.

No amount of singing Justin Bieber " I am sorry" will fix it 😡. That's a bad Sohail. Bad bad bad
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Actually Amir Sohail has a media history post retirement which has been controversy free.


This came out of nowhere and is a result of wrong information fed to Amir Sohail.


In a Post match press talk Sarfraz was asked if he would dedicate the win to Birthday Boy Javed Miandad. At this Sarfraz said that He does not want to dedicate it to any one person because than issues get created.

Probably Sarfraz did not hear the Birthday part otherwise I think he would have decided the win to Legend Javed on his Birthday.


Amir Sohail was fed with wrong information. He was told that Sarfraz said that No I won't dedicate the win to Javed Miandad because He criticises Me alot.

At this Amir Sohail reacted & over reacted. He should have seen the Press Talk video himself and than should have commented.


It was all Misunderstanding.
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So people can go around randomly blaming national personalities of corruption and defaming their character, and later on just say it's a "misunderstanding"

Sorry brother, that's not how the world works. Sohail ran his mouth and made false claims, he needs to pay
 
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He is free to his opinion. He didn't accuse anybody but we know who he was talking about. And let us not confuse that in anyway this was anti Pakistan. In fact if anything he implied odds are sacked against us mostly except this one time due to external forces.
 
coy0607 said:
So people can go around randomly blaming national personalities of corruption and defaming their character, and later on just say it's a "misunderstanding"

Sorry brother, that's not how the world works. Sohail ran his mouth and made false claims, he needs to pay
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Pay? Konsi dunya mein rehtey hein bhai?

This is Pakistan
 
Stewie said:
Yeah it was whatever it was but you have to be responsible for your actions.

His comments were ill times and now he is in damage control mode. Khisyani billi khamba nochey. No use now.

I wonder what happens to this guy sometimes. Still the crazy angry young man of the 90s even at this age. Generally his analysis are very intelligent and I like to hear his views, but you have to think before you open your mouth and how you say some things, regardless of their nature.

I actually kind of believe what he said but the way he said it, With innuendo and bashed sarfaraz and the timing of the whole thing, well it just put us as a nation under bad light.

No amount of singing Justin Bieber " I am sorry" will fix it &#55357;&#56865;. That's a bad Sohail. Bad bad bad
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The guy wanted Sarfaraz to kiss his feet just because he was way elder to him.
 
coy0607 said:
So people can go around randomly blaming national personalities of corruption and defaming their character, and later on just say it's a "misunderstanding"

Sorry brother, that's not how the world works. Sohail ran his mouth and made false claims, he needs to pay
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I did not endorse Amir Sohail. He should not have said what He said in any case.


I said that Misunderstanding got him heated and he uturred such stuff. If the person who fed him false information was media person than Samaa needs to fire him.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Actually Amir Sohail has a media history post retirement which has been controversy free.


This came out of nowhere and is a result of wrong information fed to Amir Sohail.


In a Post match press talk Sarfraz was asked if he would dedicate the win to Birthday Boy Javed Miandad. At this Sarfraz said that He does not want to dedicate it to any one person because than issues get created.

Probably Sarfraz did not hear the Birthday part otherwise I think he would have decided the win to Legend Javed on his Birthday.


Amir Sohail was fed with wrong information. He was told that Sarfraz said that No I won't dedicate the win to Javed Miandad because He criticises Me alot.

At this Amir Sohail reacted & over reacted. He should have seen the Press Talk video himself and than should have commented.


It was all Misunderstanding.
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I couldn't find an apology in that video clip, can you post the full version please
 
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The guy wanted Sarfaraz to kiss his feet just because he was way elder to him.
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Quite honestly, I don't know what really transpired. People are here claiming he wants PCB position or this and that but there is stronger evidence to the contrary that he was just upset at the alleged Sarfaraz statement about miandad, and I say that because miandad was on air at the same time with him.

Look most of our legends have had massive, vast differences. Imran va Mia dad, wasim vs waqar, Rashid lateef and Aamer Sohail vs almost everyone allegedly belonging to the fixing mafia, Sohail vs Mirandad.

But what's interesting to note is that since their playing days have long gone they are all very very brotherly now. They do shows together and I even saw a recent Rashid Latif selfie with salim malik! Would you believe that?

The concept of respecting the seniors and legends is well and truly alive with our former players and you can see that in some of their appearances together on tv. Or maybe I am just believing a facade they are putting up but in this case, Sohail sounded truly miffed at Sarfaraz and I am pretty sure it's not because of some ulterior motive of his own. I am sure it's just because he was led to believe our skipper is starting to get all arrogant after a few wins.
 
Well Amir Sohail won't be getting invited to the victory parade in Lahore. :yk
 
its interesting nobody is talking about by whom and for what purpose was a false statement attributed to sarfaraz about miandad.

i think there are some mischief mongers in the media who gave more air to this and incited a reaction.

unki bhi pakar honi chahiey
 
Pete Rose said:
As someone who tries to be jaded about how rotten the world can be sometimes, I have to say my heart hurts to hear these comments from Aamir. Whatever his reasons, his excuses, his public religious convictions I don't know how some can say such hurtful things. It's not about match-fixing - that's a reputation that pakistan has earned well. It's just the optics of it all. Here is an eighth ranked team with all the systemic disadvsbtages that are well documented, making a fairy tale run in this tournament and this where Aamir's mind is? There is no bottom on Pakistan cricket, it seems.
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I came to this forgone conclusion a long time ago my friend......Pakistan cricket is a bottomless pit :(
 
theariezman said:
To be very honest I don't give a damn what sourav ganguly and harbajan singh says about Pakistan team but what they are talking about Aamer our cricket pundits over their comments is a disgrace.

[video]https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BydJIra3vO39eGtNQ3Q3V1BmME0/view?usp=drivesdk[/video]
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How's that a disgrace? They're defending Sarfraz and the team!
Also why on earth where they interviewed there! They used a good angle to make the area look nice but it's a horrible place, just a 5 minute walk from Moor Street station. Oh well I guess!
 
Zero said:
How's that a disgrace? They're defending Sarfraz and the team!
Also why on earth where they interviewed there! They used a good angle to make the area look nice but it's a horrible place, just a 5 minute walk from Moor Street station. Oh well I guess!
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It's a disgrace for Aamer that he landed in a situation that he has to come up again and again and clear the situation while he should not do this at first.
 
The real question we should be asking is:

a. Why is Amir Sohail being given air time in the first place?

b. Where are all the other ex-cricketers of Pakistan condemning his comments? Wasim Akram? Imran Khan? Shoaib Akthar? Inzi?

There is something wrong with the overall culture in Pakistani cricket and somebody needs to step in and make an example. This is not the first time I've heard of trash like this coming from Aamir Sohail and previous ex-cricketers. I don't get what they're problem is.
 
Nice to see all these shenanigans going on in Pakistan. Let's hope the Pak team is following all this via TV and social media and would be mentally distracted.

India started the tournament in a distracted state of mind (tired after long IPL, rumors of disagreement between Kohli and Kumble, coach's job up in the air, BCCI being BCCI etc.) but seem to have settled since then.
 
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