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AB de Villiers 'in conversations' for T20 World Cup return, says Faf du Plessis [Post #206]

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Big blow for South Africa. But I think he did the decent think to step away with enough time for South Africa to plan without him.

SA have no chance now. Chickened out I think AB.

Wow, this is very surprising. SA just lost Morkel, Steyn's time is almost up, Amla is showing signs of decline and now AB has quit. Our chances this winter have gone up drastically.

Surprising decision though. Didn't he say during his recent Test comeback how great it was to be back. And I thought he really desired one last go at the WC.

Sad to see him go. May have watched some of his recent innings if knew they'd be the last.

All these years when AB, Morne, Kallis, Smith, Steyn etc... were there did South Africa win a major?

No player is bigger than the game, RSA have got an exciting group of players coming through, Markram is promising young talent. Rabada, Ngidi, Junior Dala... There is lot to be excited about the pacers. Klassen has grabbed his chances with both hands.

I still respect Dale Steyn a lot and he is still trying to make it to the WC. There are talented players like Bavuma waiting on bench as well.

The experience of Amla, JP, Faf, Steyn and Tahir combined with these exciting youngsters still make south africa a top favorite for the World Cup.

AB is a truly great cricketer, but over reliance on him has often hampered teams like RSA and RCB... Sometimes a bunch of young confident cricketers do a better job than star players.
 
A wonderful cricketer and an ODI legend. I guess now only the IPL fans will continue to enjoy watching him, with the RCB fans having the added bonus of supporting him as well.

Now, will he show up for other T20 leagues? Can the other leagues afford him? Will he take a pay cut? He currently makes north of $1.5 million/season with RCB.
 
Shocking and disappointing news.

There were numerous reasons why he should have stayed for one more year, give a final shot to WC 2019 and then retire happily. During the process, he could have also reached the milestone of 10,000 runs in both formats of the game and nobody would have even argued on that.

Retiring with one year left for WC is more unfortunate considering the kind of form he is at this point of his career. Nevertheless, a great career and has earned the right to call it off whenever he wants.

The respect has definitely gone down but was a pleasure to be the part of a great career across all formats of the game. I hope he takes back the decision for the betterment of cricket.
 
Lets call it like it is.
He sold out for the money.

If it was tiredness then he wouldn't be playing for what seems like an eternity in a foreign domestic league.
Chances are that in a couple of years he can become the batting coach of some IPL team and earn more from this then he would playing for South Africa.
 
Disappointing news.

This ends any chance SA had of winning the WC next year.
 
Lets call it like it is.
He sold out for the money.

If it was tiredness then he wouldn't be playing for what seems like an eternity in a foreign domestic league.
Chances are that in a couple of years he can become the batting coach of some IPL team and earn more from this then he would playing for South Africa.

I agree. He will have a continuing association with cricket through IPL. At least 3-4 years as a player and probably much longer as a member of the coaching staff.
 
Plenty of SA players have gone the Kolpak route and I won't be surprised if we hear about ABD going the Kolpak route as well. Something is clearly wrong financially in South African Cricket, I heard and read about Graeme Pollock having to reach out to the BCCI for financial help as he was struggling financially in retirement.

I think it is a dark reality that South African players don't get paid very well in Cricket and this is why many are leaving in big droves during their prime. It is Cricket South Africa that needs to wake up, smell the coffee. Pride and Patriotism doesn't feed you and take care of your family.

Look at how disgracefully Mansoor Ahmed the Hockey player who won Pakistan the Hockey WC was left to die by the Pakistan govt.
 
Thought he would stay on till WC. Shocked at the news.

One of the greatest entertainers ever. Able to hit pace or spin 360 regardless of the conditions. An amazing talent who was loved all around the world.

Thanks for everything AB. Enjoy your retirement.
 
Up to him, but there is definitely more to this one than meets the eye. We should revisit in a year and see what he did next.
 
Of all the modern greats, AB surely has contributed the most to the evolution of batting.

Undisputed legend.
 
I think you realise that some people play cricket as a hobby they excelled in instead of a passion. De Villiers is probably like many South African, English and Australian cricket who basically excelled in cricket for fun. He's probably looking forward to golf or other activities instead of the one off IPL/CPL etc
 
Out of the blue, great player that entertained all who loved cricket.
 
Wonderful player ,thanks for the great moments in cricket over the years.

But what a wimp, the world cup is next year and he runs off.
 
might be a blessing in disguise.. Without AB, they're not favorite in WC which may work well with SA :ashwin
 
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Look at how disgracefully Mansoor Ahmed the Hockey player who won Pakistan the Hockey WC was left to die by the Pakistan govt.

how's that govt fault? he was offered by Pak hospital but he has no trust in them.. When he needs immediate heart transplantation he should've choose them, rather than waiting in que in India.
 
All these years when AB, Morne, Kallis, Smith, Steyn etc... were there did South Africa win a major?

No player is bigger than the game, RSA have got an exciting group of players coming through, Markram is promising young talent. Rabada, Ngidi, Junior Dala... There is lot to be excited about the pacers. Klassen has grabbed his chances with both hands.

I still respect Dale Steyn a lot and he is still trying to make it to the WC. There are talented players like Bavuma waiting on bench as well.

The experience of Amla, JP, Faf, Steyn and Tahir combined with these exciting youngsters still make south africa a top favorite for the World Cup.

AB is a truly great cricketer, but over reliance on him has often hampered teams like RSA and RCB... Sometimes a bunch of young confident cricketers do a better job than star players.

All those years those players never won a major LOI trophy but reigned as the undisputed no.1 Test team which has been the most consistent away from home especially since the great West Indian and Australian teams; the world cup is very prestigious but no one has matched their aura in the ultimate Test format as the reigning number one team over the last 10 years or so
 
There is some missing piece of puzzle here. Let's wait and see why he decided to retire right now from all formats.
 
Assuming he does prefer money which means securing his family's financial security without having to stress too much, I find it surprising he can be criticised for that by some of the biggest sell outs and hypocrites on this forum.
 
And he has done it all, across all formats he has been terrific; this is not a premature retirement in the grand scheme although there could be other factors at play as some have mentioned. The amount of vile jalaab some folk are spewing is shocking, please do see the doctor because when you judge his record across all formats any sane individual would comprehend the fact that his career as it stands has been hall of fame worthy.
 
Assuming he does prefer money which means securing his family's financial security without having to stress too much, I find it surprising he can be criticised for that by some of the biggest sell outs and hypocrites on this forum.

Nothing wrong with making money, we all love to do the same but the World Cup is only 12 months away. His country has never won the biggest prize in cricket and he could be key for them. He is not too old, still in great form, why retire now? Does he feel winning the bollywood IPL is a better legacy than the World Cup?
 
Nothing wrong with making money, we all love to do the same but the World Cup is only 12 months away. His country has never won the biggest prize in cricket and he could be key for them. He is not too old, still in great form, why retire now? Does he feel winning the bollywood IPL is a better legacy than the World Cup?

His legacy has already been cemented regardless of whether or not SA win the World Cup, why should he continue when the desire is not there to play international cricket. People say oh well he's still playing the IPL but that's not really cricket is it, it's like robbing a bank every day but without having to do any work; he has been in the game a long time as well and he's entitled to rip the Indians off, relax, not worry too much about the result and spend more time with his family while securing their futures. Some morons are calling him a sell out though and that's ignorant when you look at what he has done for SA cricket.
 
His legacy has already been cemented regardless of whether or not SA win the World Cup, why should he continue when the desire is not there to play international cricket. People say oh well he's still playing the IPL but that's not really cricket is it, it's like robbing a bank every day but without having to do any work; he has been in the game a long time as well and he's entitled to rip the Indians off, relax, not worry too much about the result and spend more time with his family while securing their futures. Some morons are calling him a sell out though and that's ignorant when you look at what he has done for SA cricket.

Calling him a sell out is of course going to far after what he has done for his nation. I just dont understand why he would not want to bow out after the World Cup esp if you recall how broken he was when NZ beat SA in the semi.

Is it weakness because he doesn't want to go through this again, or does he believe SA will be better without him? I find it very strange.

 
A great of this generation. One of the most popular, entertaining and complete batsmen in world cricket. He could score runs anywhere and against any opponent which is what made him a gem of a player. For all the time ABD stayed on the wicket all fans remained glued to their TV screens as you always knew he was a class act. watching him bat was a sheer pleasure. He will be missed badly.

A lot of fans take player longevity for granted. What most of you don't realize is that being on the road non stop away from your family most of the time and out of your comfort zone is the toughest challenge there is and not all players are made the same way mentally to cope with it the same. Trescothic, Swann, Troo and now him are all examples of fine players who could not stand it at a certain point.

Mental issues are very underrated in Cricket. [MENTION=291]junaid[/MENTION] can shed more light on it being an expert. Its not about chickening out or being sawft as a lot of ignorant and disrespectful fans are saying already.
 
Calling him a sell out is of course going to far after what he has done for his nation. I just dont understand why he would not want to bow out after the World Cup esp if you recall how broken he was when NZ beat SA in the semi.

Is it weakness because he doesn't want to go through this again, or does he believe SA will be better without him? I find it very strange.


I just don't believe he wants to play at the highest level any more and doesn't have the same desire, he came back after a break and played a key role in some big games before calling it a day. Test cricket remains the ultimate format and the recent series wins are a great high to bow out on, sure there could be more it though.

It's one of those ones where a fighter gets up to train for decades, then he achieves it all wins the undisputed title, maybe there were a few hiccups along the way or unfinished business but you're satisfied overall and no longer have the same hunger to get up and go through it all to train and fight, when you look at everything he has done I wouldn't call it weakness at all players of his calibre don't come around often or achieve what he has. As fans we will always be a bit selfish when judging these guys but they are human at the end of the day and have a life beyond cricket unless you're from asia when we see cricketers go on longer then they should
 
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I just don't believe he wants to play at the highest level any more and doesn't have the same desire, he came back after a break and played a key role in some big games before calling it a day. Test cricket remains the ultimate format and the recent series wins are a great high to bow out on, sure there could be more it though.

It's one of those ones where a fighter gets up to train for decades, then he achieves it all wins the undisputed title, maybe there were a few hiccups along the way or unfinished business but you're satisfied overall and no longer have the same hunger to get up and go through it all to train and fight, when you look at everything he has done I wouldn't call it weakness at all players of his calibre don't come around often or achieve what he has. As fans we will always be a bit selfish when judging these guys but they are human at the end of the day and have a life beyond cricket unless you're from asia when we see cricketers go on longer then they should

Fair points bro, I guess like many other I am disappointed I wont be seeing AB in action again esp in the World Cup next year as im planning to watch the SA game v Pakistan.

Good luck to him whatever he does, a truly remarkable sportsman who has given fans around the world great pleasure the way he played the sport, not only with his skills but in a gentleman manner, a brilliant role model for young cricketers.
 
Fair points bro, I guess like many other I am disappointed I wont be seeing AB in action again esp in the World Cup next year as im planning to watch the SA game v Pakistan.

Good luck to him whatever he does, a truly remarkable sportsman who has given fans around the world great pleasure the way he played the sport, not only with his skills but in a gentleman manner, a brilliant role model for young cricketers.

It is sad in that way, I think SA were due to play at Edgbaston to but hopefully Steyn will be fit and firing :) I just don't think AB's heart has been in cricket, he came back in my opinion only due to the immense public pressure / criticism then won some huge series and now is bowing out. It's still a year before the WC so it would be unfair to suggest that he was taking someones spot on short notice or something. In this moment there's going to be criticism for sure but not as much compared to before and people will celebrate his achievements a bit more also because the decision is conclusive, there could be more to this story but I doubt he returns for SA again
 
The most talented player I've had the privilege of watching live.. and what a way to go out.. completely pulverizing the potent Aussie attack en route to carrying his team to a historic series win.
 
A wonderful cricketer and an ODI legend. I guess now only the IPL fans will continue to enjoy watching him, with the RCB fans having the added bonus of supporting him as well.

Now, will he show up for other T20 leagues? Can the other leagues afford him? Will he take a pay cut? He currently makes north of $1.5 million/season with RCB.

He has been retained for 11 crores actually last year....

So that is almost 4 million per year !
 
I’m shocked and saddened.

While I respect his decision all it shows is what the priorities are for International cricketers these days.

These meaningless 20/20 leagues mean easy life and easy money.

Its a dark day for International Cricket. But I guess for the hit and giggle fans it will mean squat all. And since that’s where all the money is it’s only going to fuel other cricketers of similar stature to take the same route.
 
I don't think he had any fire for international cricket anymore. Think he lost it a few years ago hence his actions in the last few years. Think he'd just rather focus on building for the future financially, and spending time with his family.

I think AB always preferred LOI cricket over Test cricket and kind of got fed up with never winning a trophy. I think he also wanted to captain and lead SA to a trophy, yet captaincy didn't work out best for him. Strange perhaps he didn't give it another go in the 2019 world cup, but by now SA doesn't look as strong in ODIs anymore, and probably felt there wasn't a good shot of winning it anyway when they couldn't win it in their prime.
 
Oh no, I’m devastated.

It was an absolute privilege to be at Durban and PE to watch his Test performances recently.

First cricket news to move me to tears for years - I’m so sad that he’s gone.

I'm surprised, isn't 34 geriatric to you? I would have thought you would have recommended he retire 4 years ago at 30.
 
A quitter. Talent with no mental fortitude is worth nothing. Misbah is better even. Limited skill but nerves of steel.
 
Now, thinking about it. Would ABD have done the same if he was not guaranteed a 4 million paycheck in 2019 and 2020 contractually from RCB. And Probably one more year after that if he continuous to play in the circuit.

The Financially security is helping player retire a year or two earlier....having said that ...do International test cricket really want people who are not 100 percent to play. At 34, his 100 percent might be enough for T20...but may be not for tests after playing 100 odd tests
 
No doubt he will be remembered as a great of the game but i'm kind of disappointed in his decision. Players dream of winning a WC for their country. SA are especially in need of a WC title, to just retire like that, when he is in such a great form, fans will probably feel betrayed-considering he is one of their best players ever. His batting and fielding is one of the best in the world, if not the best, so physical strain is clearly not the issue here. It seems he is not mentally strong enough to risk suffering another emotional disappointment at the WC.

Anyways, it was a privilege to watch him bat. He will be missed.
 
Let's remember he had back issues, and the board is always troublesome and it even led to the early retirement of Smith.

If he's run out of gas, he needs to save some to secure his future for his family. AB isn't a selfish cricketer and early retirement probably has to do with personal reasons or just not being sure whether he'll have any hunger left by the time the WC comes around.

Hunger just goes, some batsmen experience it later, and some take a while to accept that it's time to go.

Can't blame a player for that.

AB is the greatest batsman of his generation. I'm going to miss him in Test cricket, and SA is going to hurt without him. How grateful I am that I've watched [TV] him play some great innings.
 
In a thread where you would expect
People to wish him luck as a true cricket fan all I see is garbage. Thank you AB for making me like the game even more. Thank you again.
 
I think you realise that some people play cricket as a hobby they excelled in instead of a passion. De Villiers is probably like many South African, English and Australian cricket who basically excelled in cricket for fun. He's probably looking forward to golf or other activities instead of the one off IPL/CPL etc

This is what Pakistan and people in the Subcontinent don't understand, Cricket in places like Australia, England, South Africa, New Zealand is not really a passion. A lot of times you will find these players following other sports outside the field like football, rugby, boxing, golf, tennis e.t.c. After a while the years of travelling will take its toll and the players unlike our players have other options outside of Cricket.
 
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Another angle which could explain this is perhaps pressure from his family?
 
What a fantastic cricketer he has been over the years and a brilliant role-model.

I guess now it's time to make some money by playing in T20 leagues around the world.
 
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A sad day. Easily the most entertaining batsman I have watched and the second greatest ODI batsman of all time.

What the heck!!!

Why not wait until the World Cup?

This is what I was thinking but it means that he's not kidding about being tired.
 
Brilliant player and surely one of the best of this generation. It is sad to see him go especially after the two great series he had with the bat against India and Australia. He seemed to have comeback to tests with a bang but not to be for SA. Earlier this year we had a glimpse of SA's future and it did not look that rosy to me. Amla, Faf and ABD were their best hope to finally win that elusive WC trophy but now with AB gone and Amla possibly on his last legs, things don't look good for the proteas. I you think about the India test series as well AB was the difference between the two sides, without him SA would have lost that series as well.
 
And he has done it all, across all formats he has been terrific; this is not a premature retirement in the grand scheme although there could be other factors at play as some have mentioned. The amount of vile jalaab some folk are spewing is shocking, please do see the doctor because when you judge his record across all formats any sane individual would comprehend the fact that his career as it stands has been hall of fame worthy.

:14: Well said.
 
I don't think people understand that AB has looked very uninterested in international cricket since the last World Cup when the Saffers increased their racial quotas and AB could not play the team he wanted to . Also he's had a bad back for ages. If it was simply prioritising T20 leagues he could've made that decision at least 3 years ago. On another note, No AB,Steyn, Morkel, declining Amla and an injured Rabada should mean that Pakistan start favourites when they your SA later this year.
 
I don't think people understand that AB has looked very uninterested in international cricket since the last World Cup when the Saffers increased their racial quotas and AB could not play the team he wanted to . Also he's had a bad back for ages. If it was simply prioritising T20 leagues he could've made that decision at least 3 years ago. On another note, No AB,Steyn, Morkel, declining Amla and an injured Rabada should mean that Pakistan start favourites when they your SA later this year.

He's just tired, like he said he is. It happens. And no, we are definitely not favourites, lol. I think only three of our players have ever played a match in South Africa.
 
He's just tired, like he said he is. It happens. And no, we are definitely not favourites, lol. I think only three of our players have ever played a match in South Africa.

Billu you will probably never get a weaker SA team than this . Pakistan should win Ir they select the right XI and get a couple of tosses their way!
 
SACA PAYS TRIBUTE TO AB DE VILLIERS

The South African Cricketers’ Association (SACA) today paid tribute to AB de Villiers who retired from international cricket yesterday.

“On behalf of the collective of South Africa’s professional cricketers I would like to congratulate AB on his stellar career as a professional cricketer and for his contribution to the game in South Africa” said Tony Irish, SACA’s chief executive.

“It’s sad that we will no longer see AB in a Proteas shirt, but he has given many years to the national cause and he deserves all the accolades he is now receiving. I’m not sure that many people realise just how unrelenting the playing schedule is for a player like AB and how much it takes out of a one, both on and off the field.”

“AB’s record in international cricket speaks for itself and one just needs to take in the public response to his retirement on social media to understand what he has meant to cricket fans in South Africa and around the world. I would however like to pay special tribute to him for the way in which he has conducted himself as a professional over a long period of time. When commenting on player welfare issues in a FICA player survey in 2016, AB said ‘I am a person first, and then a cricketer.’ I believe this gives some insight into AB and perhaps explains why he has earned the level of respect he has in the game. His unique skill combined with his level of personal development as a man has made AB de Villiers the cricketer he is today.”

“AB has played for his country for 14 years but has also led the way as a modern day cricketer playing in cricket’s newly established global landscape. He has had huge success both with the Proteas and in the IPL, most recently with Royal Challengers Bangalore. He is one of a few cricketers who is loved as much by fans in India and as he is by those in South Africa. Other players may follow in his tracks but for any foreign player to achieve what he has in India it will take a special person.”

“We thank AB for his contribution to the international game and wish him all the best in his retirement,” concluded Irish.
 
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The most talented player I've had the privilege of watching live.. and what a way to go out.. completely pulverizing the potent Aussie attack en route to carrying his team to a historic series win.

When did you start believing in home performances ? :91:
 
Lets call it like it is.
He sold out for the money.

If it was tiredness then he wouldn't be playing for what seems like an eternity in a foreign domestic league.
Chances are that in a couple of years he can become the batting coach of some IPL team and earn more from this then he would playing for South Africa.

I don’t know why you are posting like you know everything.

Having a family and being on tour is not easy. He is probably tired. IPL is 6 weeks circus so olease do not compare the toll test cricket takes on players. Have you seen how intense test cricket can be in the last Aus vs SA series.
 
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For India, home performance against a very strong Pakistan/Sri Lanka side is equal to home performance of South Africa against Australia.

However, India's home performance against teams like England and Australia are pretty much similar to SA's home performance vs India and a strong Pakistan/SL side.
 
It has been obvious for two years now that he does not have the desire to play for South Africa anymore, and was simply looking for excuses to quit.

This was coming, but the timing is suspicious because he made himself available for selection in all formats only a few months ago. I won’t be surprised if CSA forced him out, but I can’t explain why.
 
He hasn’t been my cup of tea, but I don’t like to criticize players when they hang their boots. When the journey ends, you pay tribute to what they gave to the game rather than what they could have achieved in hypothetical situations.

It was a privilege watching de Villiers over the years. A cricketer of extraordinary class and ability. He is a player who will be remembered for generations to come.

Truly a once in many generations cricketer - we will never see anyone like him again.
 
Don't you rate Rahane over Rohit , Yasir, Lyon etc over Ashwin mainly because of home vs away performance differences?

Quote where I have explicitly stated that I don't rate home performances, which is YOUR initial claim. Let's see you trying to put your money where your mouth is now.
 
Quote where I have explicitly stated that I don't rate home performances, which is YOUR initial claim. Let's see you trying to put your money where your mouth is now.

Guess who wrote this Gem?

This HTB Ashwin more often than not acts way too smart for his own good.

Want more ? I suggest combing thru your own drivel and see if you can find any kind words that you wrote about Indian home achievements ... anything remotely close to what you are now writing for ABD's home achievements. That should be easy ... :91:
 
ABD has been one of my favourite batsmen of all time but this retirement has just made me shrug my shoulders. This is a man who has not cared much about international cricket for years now, moaned about his work load, taken time off etc etc etc. His heart has not been in it, so why should ours?
 
Through the eye of South Africa's performance analyst: All about AB ‘Abbas’ de Villiers

His athletic abilities earned him the moniker of Spider-Man, but in the dressing room, he was a simpleton who never yearned for limelight. As South Africa prepare for their life after AB de Villiers, who retired from international cricket last week, Prasanna Arogam, the team’s performance analyst who has also worked with several IPL teams, gives a peek into the uncomplicated mind of the Proteas superstar and narrates the story behind his nickname.


Post-midnight pints session

I can never forget that moment when AB de Villiers broke down in tears. It just tore my heart out. It was after that game against New Zealand in 2015 the World Cup (semifinal) , and everyone saw how it had affected all the players. At the end of it all, back in the dressing room, it felt as if a close family member had died. There wasn’t a single dry eye — be it players or support staff or management; everyone was crying. At around 12.30 in the night, AB and Dale Steyn called us around and said, “Guys we have been here for 40 days, there is no excuse for not winning this game but we gave our best. We lost. Let’s have our ‘pints meeting’, (usually, after winning a big series or a crunch game, we have the tradition of sitting together for a few drinks) and let’s all leave with a good feeling. We don’t know how many of us will be part of the next World Cup. Let’s just celebrate each other’s company tonight. And thanks for all the support. Come next World Cup, we will be the team to beat.”

Now, he won’t be there for that World Cup. I can’t begin to even think about all that now. Instead, this is the time to look at the great memories that Abbas has given us. We call him Abbas. It’s simple: Abbas from Abraham de Villiers, but our team says it with different meaning. Just separate ‘A’ from it, and you will get it: It’s ‘A Boss’ for us, the way some of us mean it. Because he is the boss. Can anyone who has seen him bat or field deny that?

It was around 1.30 in the morning when we met for that pints meeting. Everyone was broken. Just imagine how much the captain would have been broken. He carried it all on him and wanted to send us off in a good mood. That’s AB for you.

Let me tell you the first time I met him. Here I was, from India, joining South Africa as performance analyst. I will be honest with you, I was shivering all over when I made my first presentation for the team in 2010 during the series against Pakistan. I present my stuff about Pakistan batsman, and as I am walking away from the room, AB taps on my shoulder, and says, “Prasanna (those days I hadn’t still become P-Dogg as the team calls me now) that was a bloody good presentation, keep it up.” Small things like that go a long way. I understood what sort of a man he was then.

Let me tell you about the recent series when Lungi Ngidi made his debut against India. AB calls me aside, and asks me, “Can you please make a flattering motivational video about Ngidi. Keep it a suspense and put it on during team meeting to motivate the young guy.” So I do it. 20 minutes before the team meeting, AB rushes in. Somehow, he has managed to get hold of Ngidi’s friends, and has a video byte from Ngidi’s father, talking about how proud he is that his son is going to play for South Africa. Not only did he somehow scramble and got it done, and even apologised to me for the short-notice he was giving me to add it to the presentation. Just imagine the effect on a 20-year old youngster that a legend like AB is going to this level. That’s the sort of team man he is.

At the pints meetings, he is one of the active persons there, pulling other people’s leg, and would act like a 16-year old boy, making people laugh.


Give me a feel of the bowler, please?

The whole world knows what a wonderful batsman he is. Let me tell you, in all these years, he has probably asked me maximum four times to show his own batting videos. That’s all. How does he function? All he wants is to have a feel about the (opposition) bowlers. He is not interested in what swing a bowler gets, what cutters they bowl, he is not worried about it all. He just wants a feel of the bowlers. Like how he approaches the crease, how he releases it. He will say “P-Dogg, can I have a frame of front-on release when he is bowling the stock ball, and when he is bowling the variations? That’s the only question he asks. “Can I have the video of release position of stock delivery and variations.” He will watch the footage quietly and with focus — that’s how he keeps things simple.

It’s been a pleasure and an honour to have worked with him. I still remember that first series against Pakistan in 2010. He was a youngster who was rated highly by everyone but he hadn’t become as big as he is now, in terms of stature. In my third match for South Africa, he hit a blistering 279 not out in Abu Dhabi. That is the time when I immediately called my Royal Challengers Bangalore coach Ray Jennings that no matter what next year, how many millions it might take, you have to get AB for RCB. Jennings asked me, “this despite the fact that he scored in a Test match?” “Coach, you know me (Jennings calls me Parachute Packer- that I enable people to fly safely) this is the man who is going to be a world beater.” He again said Test match and I told him, we were tottering at 30 for 3 batting first, and if someone can play that kind of a knock – the shots he played against Umar Gul, Saeed Ajmal, who at his peak then, was something else — he is going to be one of the best cricketers that history will ever see.


Does Spider-Man ever swagger?

People often ask me, how is he? Does he, off the field, have the swagger? Does he talk himself up? This is what happens. We will say, “Abbas, what a knock you have played” — be it the 150 off 63 balls or other amazing knocks. And you know what he would say: “I think I got lucky, When I see the replay, I think is it a shot that I played? I tried something and fortunately, it hit the middle of the bat”. Even the catch off Alex Hales, in that IPL game, you can’t believe what he said: that he got in the wrong position and so had to jump like that to take the catch. That’s AB for you.

In all his career highlights, I see that people have mentioned the 150 he hit against West Indies in just 64 balls. There is a backstory to it. Not many know what his real state was. Before the knock, he wasn’t well at all; he was lying down in the dressing room. And once when I came in from the balcony during a drinks break for a quick bite, I saw him lying down with pads, looking in pretty bad shape, and I asked him, “Are you ok?” And he said, “yeah I will be. I will give it my best”. And the rest is history. When it comes to commitment, no one can come close to him. When he came back to the dressing room, he just collapsed. He was so exhausted that he did not have any energy left to talk to anyone. He just lay down on the floor, and rested.

I started calling him Spider-Man — whenever I put a motivation video about him in team meeting, I would superimpose his visual with that of Spider-Man. I am so happy that the moniker has been embraced world over now. Even Virat Kohli said so in a tweet the other day after that catch. But my reason was different. He was a Spider-Man in batting to me, not when he fields. That is still understandable; there are a few other very good fielders out there but in batting — the positions he gets in, the way he sweeps fast bowlers over square-leg. No other batsman in history has created the angles he has. Hence, Spider-Man.

When I joined he was younger, and was one of the humblest persons — very easy going. And the best thing is that he continues to be like that. Let me give you an example from the recent series against India. He was injured for first 3 ODIs and the coach Dale Benkenstien told him that Prasanna had discussed something in batting strategy meeting and can he (AB) please spend few minutes with P-dogg? He came to me before the fourth ODI, and asked me, “Can you please give me 10 minutes?” That’s the sort of humility of a player of his heights and calibre — and this was in 2018. “Can I pick you brains?” And I tell him, “I have nothing to give someone like you.” He replies sincerely, “I want to see what you have about the new Indian bowlers who didn’t play the Tests.” And I slowly tell him this and that — this is the release, variations etc. — and he just nods, watches, and then when I finish, he goes, “Thank you, I will try to use this perspective tomorrow.”


‘Rally around me, I am going to do it’

When we went to Sri Lanka under his captaincy in 2014, we had never won any series against Sri Lanka. The first game we beat them, and in the second match, chasing 240 we were going great guns with AB and Faf, and AB got out. We lost that game and there was just one more game left. He got up in that team meeting: “Guys I will put my hand up and will take the blame. I messed up last game. Faf was batting so well, and all it needed was someone to bat with him. I gave it away. I am sorry. I could have batted better. “So, come tomorrow, rally around me, I am going to do it.”

Next day, he got a hundred off 60 balls. And that big Hambantota ground looked so small when he went hammer and tongs. We got 340 and defended it — and won a series for the first time in Sri Lanka in any format.”

Even, in that 2015 World Cup, I remember we had never won a single knockout game in big competition like that and we were about to play Sri Lanka. I always give a team-strategy, player strategy, and how they pace the innings, what is their strength. When I gave that, he said, “Fine, if we take your ideas across, what can I expect?” I said the game will be over in 35 overs. He smiled, “I like your confidence and arrogance, I will take it humbly and sees what happens.” We bowled out Lanka under 37 overs. And he came to me later and laughed: “I like your arrogance, but I will like to continue to remain humble and take each thing as it comes.”

Looking back it’s amazing how he changes the match situation and the mood of the team. Why go to the past, let me tell you an incident from his last Test series against Australia. We had already lost the first game, and went from 150 for 1 to 180 for 6 in the second. The Aussies were bowling really good, and it seemed they were unplayable at Port Elizabeth, with their reverse swing. Mitch Starc, Pat Cummins and Josh Hazlewood were on song.

But the moment he went in, it looked like videogame. The game turned just like that. I remember at the end of the day, we were 20 runs behind, 3 wickets intact, and when the coach asked him, “Abbas, what’s your take? What did you do differently?” Anyone would have said, it’s a difficult to bat on, we have to be very cautious etc… You know how AB reacted? “I just stuck to the basics. I just didn’t want to give my wicket away, and the rest fell in place.” I have never seen him boast, “I did this, I did that”. I have never even seen him swagger like that. That’s just not his personality.

When the coach congratulated him in the team meeting at the end of that match, “Abbas well done, Kagiso well done”, he said: “Hashim (Amla) and Dean (Elgar) were the ones who started it. They made us easier for us to score runs.”

Everyone knows how good he is in all sports, and not just cricket. When team plays golf, you can’t beat him. People know him that he is a wonderful hockey player, but you can’t beat him in tennis either. He is an introvert, stays quiet when he comes to ground, and does his thing, but he extends himself for the rest of the day, and more. At the pints meetings, he is one of the active persons there, pulling other people’s leg, and would act like a 16-year old boy, making people laugh. I can’t just convey the effect it has on the team camaraderie, and on the juniors in the team. That’s the kind of guy Abbas is.

http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...iers-retires-retirement-south-africa-5192754/
 
Guess who wrote this Gem?

Want more ? I suggest combing thru your own drivel and see if you can find any kind words that you wrote about Indian home achievements ... anything remotely close to what you are now writing for ABD's home achievements. That should be easy ... :91:

How does this even REMOTELY prove that I don't "rate" home performances, which is your initial claim? :)) Ashwin IS a HTB, it's a fact.. the guy isn't even a regular fixture in the team anywhere outside Asia. Doesn't prove your point in the slightest.

Also, I rated Pujara's 92 at Bangalore (which is in India btw, in case you get confused) last year as the Innings of the year, so much for me not rating home performances. What your grievance basically is that I don't rate home runs scored against incredible spinners like Moeen Ali, Adil Rashid and Ish Sodhi, which is obviously an unreasonable demand. I'll give more than the due credit whenever I see good performances against a potent attack home or away like ABD delivered against Australia's potent pace attack on fast pitches this year.
 
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How does this even REMOTELY prove that I don't "rate" home performances, which is your initial claim? :)) Ashwin IS a HTB, it's a fact.. the guy isn't even a regular fixture in the team anywhere outside Asia. Doesn't prove your point in the slightest.

Because you are not exactly covering him with glory when you make derogatory comments like HTB. That suggests that you don't consider his home performances worth your time. BTW Ashwins home performances are significantly far more stunning than anything ABD has managed at home.

And we all know the real reasons behind you rating Pujara's innings . But nevertheless that must have been very hard to write :))
 
Playing for that Loser team RCB must have demoralized him completely. I am sure after this year's IPL ended and the team crashed out as usual, he must have come to a 'false' conclusion that he will never win anything. It wouldnt matter which team he played for and what tournament or format it was, he would never win anything for that team.

I now wish he had stayed away from RCB and IPL this year, concentrated on being fit for the BIG tournament. Not wasted his time and energy for this.

I am gutted that he retired one year before the world cup. I would have rather seen him fight for South Africa and try his best to lift that cup.

Sachin played in so many World Cups, kept failing, but he persevered for so long, endured so much pain, till he achieved his dream. AB should have too (in my opinion). He should have tried!

I just hope, something convinces him to come back, throw his hat back in the ring, and deliver that knock out punch I was always hoping he would deliver.

Come on mate! Come Back! Just one last time! South Africa needs you. Get that Cup! :martin
 
Because you are not exactly covering him with glory when you make derogatory comments like HTB. That suggests that you don't consider his home performances worth your time. BTW Ashwins home performances are significantly far more stunning than anything ABD has managed at home.

By this nonsensical logic, every person to have ever labelled anyone a HTB on this forum and beyond doesn't rate home performances at all. :)) I hope you see the sheer absurdity in this argument.

And we all know the real reasons behind you rating Pujara's innings . But nevertheless that must have been very hard to write :))

Weak cop out.
 
By this nonsensical logic, every person to have ever labelled anyone a HTB on this forum and beyond doesn't rate home performances at all. :)) I hope you see the sheer absurdity in this argument.

Weak cop out.

Ehh ? So in our bizzaro world you are heaping praise on Ashwins outstanding home record by calling him a HTB? :91:
 
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