AB de Villiers - Only good in first innings and easy chases?

[Abdullah719]

in run chases I mean. I know overall AB is in the leagues of his own. I wasn't comparing the two. I was just comparing his skills in a run chase with Malik.

I know that 96* was a good innings but you're comparing two players that are in completely different dimensions as cricketers. Even when AB is not at his best he is better than Malik. Plus, it's not like AB has no good knocks in chases. Chasing 300 against India in India on a spinning pitch is not an easy proposition by any means, specially when your fellow 'batsmen' are falling like ninepins.

 

[Indian_Supporter]

It is ridiculous that some posters are comparing Rohit innings to AB. Rohit did played a tremendous innings, but on pitches that are known to him. Where as AB played in conditions that are alien to him, where all other SouthAfrican Batsman failed.

Then how both innings are comparable? Had Rohit played a similar innings in capetown, then that would have been comparable to this.

Devillers knock in 4th odi> Rohit's knock in 1st ODI .period.

That is not true though. AB Devilliers play guranteed 14 games every year in India due to IPL. Infact I am not sure if he plays so many games back home. So these conditions are very well known to him as much as Rohit. Infact most of the global players have enough exposure in India these days due to IPL. Its only Indian players who finds away series Alien because they do not play any overseas leagues.

 

[Enforcer]

Forgetting the quality of the bowlers...

Let me tell you AB did it against Harbhajan (who bowled beautifully), Amit mishra, and Axar patel on a turner. Are they mediocre bowlers ?

 

[dashing_man]

in run chases I mean. I know overall AB is in the leagues of his own. I wasn't comparing the two. I was just comparing his skills in a run chase with Malik.

Can you name how many times Malik successfully chased us a target. And I mean in a pressure situation

 

[dashing_man]

Forgetting the quality of the bowlers...

What do you mean by that.

If course india has the worst bowling unit but AB scored on their turf. And he has done to the Australians, English, West Indians, Kiwis and Sri Lankans as well and they have some darn good bowling unit. Only Pakistani bowlers have been able to stop him. The recent one is World Cup 2015 encounter [emoji5]

 

[Enforcer]

That is not true though. AB Devilliers play guranteed 14 games every year in India due to IPL. Infact I am not sure if he plays so many games back home. So these conditions are very well known to him as much as Rohit. Infact most of the global players have enough exposure in India these days due to IPL. Its only Indian players who finds away series Alien because they do not play any overseas leagues.

AB in IPL ,plays half of the matches on super flat pitches of chinnaswamy stadium, which rarely offer turn like in chennai. And you do realize that ball never get soft in a T20 match. Spinners also used to bowl flatter in T20s. Huge difference if you compare that to an ODI played on a turner.

 

[Zak_Fan]

One thing that was easy to see from yesterday's match is that AB the IPL beast would find going tough in spinning conditions. A lot of times, his batting technique reminded me of Harbhajan Singh.

 

[SL_Fan]

Haters gonna hate.

 

[AlphaFighter]

One thing that was easy to see from yesterday's match is that AB the IPL beast would find going tough in spinning conditions. A lot of times, his batting technique reminded me of Harbhajan Singh.

Are you serious? Do you know how many times he has found it the easiest to play Ajmal at his peak, he has faced Warne, Murli and other spinners as well.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Are you serious? Do you know how many times he has found it the easiest to play Ajmal at his peak, he has faced Warne, Murli and other spinners as well.

That's not relevant to yesterday's innings. He will be playing difference bowlers this tour, and they have troubled him so far (even on ODI tracks).

 

[AlphaFighter]

That's not relevant to yesterday's innings. He will be playing difference bowlers this tour, and they have troubled him so far (even on ODI tracks).

Troubled him on a tour where he already has 2 centuries in 4 games and one game where he got out trying to up to the scoring rate in the final overs. Plz tell me you are trying to be funny?

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[tempus123]

Let me tell you AB did it against Harbhajan (who bowled beautifully), Amit mishra, and Axar patel on a turner. Are they mediocre bowlers ?

He was struggling big time initially, but made up for the lost time with some wonderful hitting at the end. He is the one-man army, Tendulkar for India in the 90s.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Troubled him on a tour where he already has 2 centuries in 4 games and one game where he got out trying to up to the scoring rate in the final overs. Plz tell me you are trying to be funny?

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I am talking about the way an inning was played, not eventual score. Remember Sachin's inning against Pakistan in 2011 WC? Sachin gave Pakistan countless chances, but somehow ended up with a match-winning performance.

I am only saying that so far in this tour, Indian bowlers have looked like getting him out at any point of the match. Anyone who has watched this series would agree. It gives me hope for the future matches.

 

[AlphaFighter]

I am talking about the way an inning was played, not eventual score. Remember Sachin's inning against Pakistan in 2011 WC? Sachin gave Pakistan countless chances, but somehow ended up with a match-winning performance.

I am only saying that so far in this tour, Indian bowlers have looked like getting him out at any point of the match. Anyone who has watched this series would agree. It gives me hope for the future matches.

And Kohli has never ever looked like getting out every right in his innings? Wasn't he badly out of form this year for the most part?

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[Zak_Fan]

And Kohli has never ever looked like getting out every right in his innings? Wasn't he badly out of form this year for the most part?

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No, Kohli's inning was as perfect as it comes, bowlers had no chance. He was horrible all this year, but yesterday's inning gave no indication of that.

 

[AlphaFighter]

No, Kohli's inning was as perfect as it comes, bowlers had no chance. He was horrible all this year, but yesterday's inning gave no indication of that.

Kohli is so vulnerable outside off stump early in his innings in general, not even funny.

Funny how you mention he was horrible all year while AB has been in phenomenal form the entire year and still your bias is clear when you say Kohli is more solid than A B.

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[tempus123]

Kohli is so vulnerable outside off stump early in his innings in general, not even funny.

Funny how you mention he was horrible all year while AB has been in phenomenal form the entire year and still your bias is clear when you say Kohli is more solid than A B.

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Y'day AB looked far from solid.. had many mishits. Kohli looked in control throughout. But I'd still say AB played a gem by the way he recovered.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Y'day AB looked far from solid.. had many mishits. Kohli looked in control throughout. But I'd still say AB played a gem by the way he recovered.

So one innings will be used to judge an entire career?

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[tempus123]

So one innings will be used to judge an entire career?

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No. I am just talking about y'day's innings.

 

[Zak_Fan]

So one innings will be used to judge an entire career?

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Who did that? I was only talking about yesterday and how this particular tour could go. It will be laughable to say that Kohli is more solid in all conditions.

 

[sivaji]

AB is better than Sachin

 

[Scrolln]

Great innings by a great player yesterday, undone by the rest of the SA batsmen barring DeCock.

 

[rollingstoned]

Y'day AB looked far from solid.. had many mishits. Kohli looked in control throughout. But I'd still say AB played a gem by the way he recovered.

Nope, Kohli himself was pretty lucky not to be out multiple times yday. It wasn't a flawless masterclass. AB is not really in form now but he is still making runs.

 

[Varun]

Cometh the hour of the first innings, cometh the man!

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Amazing knock today.

Platform was set but was a pressure game.

Its ABD's bread and butter. Can destroy opposition in such cases like no other.

 

[Dark Magician]

Fair criticism but totally irrelevant. He does what the team wants not what you posters expect of him. Same as kallis. The problem is that some of you expect impossible somply because he's AB. If Faf is such a clutch player then why does he not have finishing stats you talking about? Not every playrr is a Dhoni or a Bevan. It seems on PP the only reason for people to join this gorum is to bash players and make demi Gods out of others.

Can't you folks just enjoy cricket?

 

[Rickz]

Mind you we are talking about very high standards here , so yeah AB is not a batsmen I would trust if there is pressure on .its easy to put him under pressure , he will start hitting out blindly and gets out .
A lot like Tendulkar tbh , again a great bat flawless technique and offcourse we will see stats which will tell us he was a unparalleled match winner too , but in both cases too few matches which standout .Considering their batting abilities you have to feel they should have or should be doing more .

Really,

Vs Pak wc 2003, Vs Sa, Eng wc 2011 all must win games,

Must win matches wc 2011 QF, SF,

Twin sharjah hundreds 98, Sri Lanka final 98, finals of 1990s, Tendulkar has somewhat 7 hundreds in odi finals. Tendulkar scoring 140 chasing 340 odd vs Aus.

He was also man of the series in Aus 99, scored hundreds under pressure for example Sa 96, Pak 99, Sa 2001 etc.

These are just a few.

 

[Rickz]

ABDV played vital knocks vs Pak WC 2015 and under pressure vs NZ SF, series decider in Australia including his two back to back hundreds against India in the series just gone although he failed to finish one game off.

So ABDV does perform under pressure and has the ability to go on and create many knocks under pressure and finish games off.

 

[Hasan123]

Interesting thread

 

[Bilal7]

AB is still a more balanced batsman, compared to Kohli who is legendary during chases in Asia but mediocre in the first innings or when chasing overseas, in Aus, Eng and SA, against the home attacks. Not to mention World Cup performances.

AB >> Kohli.

 

[Midwinter13992]

AB is still a more balanced batsman, compared to Kohli who is legendary during chases in Asia but mediocre in the first innings or when chasing overseas, in Aus, Eng and SA, against the home attacks. Not to mention World Cup performances.

AB >> Kohli.

I will even take Kedar Jadhav in my team over AB while chasing in important mathes....
Virat >>>>>>AB for me

 

[Ab Fan]

AB avgs 55+ while chasing with 7 hundreds to his name.

For a middle order batsmen hitting a century particularly while chasing is a very tough task but AB has done it 7 times which is worth appreciable.7 hundreds speak volume given he is a middle order bat who comes at 4-5 mostly.

So there isn't anything like he is good in easy chases or such.

The chases that SA lost are due to the whole team's inability to win over their mental fidgetness rather than one players inability and this is the reason SA have failed even when there have been easy chases..

 

[Ozymandiasza]

I will even take Kedar Jadhav in my team over AB while chasing in important mathes....
Virat >>>>>>AB for me

Why does AB have an excellent WC record? He has an objectively better record not only to Virat but an excellent overall record.

Kohli might be a future ATG but please don't insult AB while making your case.

 

[itsme]

Ab is the best batsmen of this generation his only fault is to be south african and no i didn't mean he is a choker*

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Why does AB have an excellent WC record? He has an objectively better record not only to Virat but an excellent overall record.

Kohli might be a future ATG but please don't insult AB while making your case.

Both Kohli and Ab De Villiers are LOI ATG's in my opinion.

 

[Abdul]

Him and Amla are right up there with the worst batsmen ever when it comes to batting under slightest pressure.

Mentally weak cricketers, South Africans.

 

[LegendAli]

Ab is the best batsmen of this generation his only fault is to be south african and no i didn't mean he is a choker*

The guy hasn't played ANY cricket in the last two years or whatever and he's the greatest batsman of this generation? He couldn't be further from being one tbf.