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AB de Villiers - Only good in first innings and easy chases?

Poor innings so far, but credit to him for hanging in there.
 
AB is going to chase it down today. Go Ab go ....
 
Zak_Fan said:
Ab getting in that dangerous mood now.
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He needs a cool head and not his dangerous mood. There is no extra brownie point of getting close then playing stupid shots. Not that target is close right now but just saying.
 
ChachaCricket said:
Like I said, he has too many chokers on his team. Always has too much to do.
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True. But he won't be blamed much if he doesn't throw away his wickets stupidly.

When wickets falls, ABD starts getting panicky and does something stupid.

Today he has been gritting it out and now India are feeling the pressure.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
True. But he won't be blamed much if he doesn't throw away his wickets stupidly.

When wickets falls, ABD starts getting panicky and does something stupid.

Today he has been gritting it out and now India are feeling the pressure.
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He wouldn't throw his wicket if someone would stick with him. I've watched him bat in plenty of his chases, he doesn't try to force anything until wickets start lining up on the other end. Then he's left with the choice of upping the tempo or basically be the last man standing. He's not a Misbah so it's obvious which one he'd choose.
 
ChachaCricket said:
He wouldn't throw his wicket if someone would stick with him. I've watched him bat in plenty of his chases, he doesn't try to force anything until wickets start lining up on the other end. Then he's left with the choice of upping the tempo or basically be the last man standing. He's not a Misbah so it's obvious which one he'd choose.
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ABD is great TILL wickets don't fall. But if he does, he does lose his head.

He doesn't slog when there is no choice (won't be blamed then). He slogs or plays a bad shot when situation gets really pressure filled.
 
I don't care about stats, once again AB is playing well no pressure yet.
When this game tencies up he'll bottle it.
 
ChachaCricket said:
He wouldn't throw his wicket if someone would stick with him. I've watched him bat in plenty of his chases, he doesn't try to force anything until wickets start lining up on the other end. Then he's left with the choice of upping the tempo or basically be the last man standing. He's not a Misbah so it's obvious which one he'd choose.
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Looked like throwing his wicket away from the start atleast a dozen times today. This has been a risky inning from the start.
 
soso_killer said:
I don't care about stats, once again AB is playing well no pressure yet.
When this game tencies up he'll bottle it.
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Dude....he PLAYED INCREDIBLY WELL to get to here.

It was pressure filled.

Was very dodgy at first I heard but now is getting set.

If he gets out now...that's a different issue but has been commedable till now.

You are way too harsh on ABD. Atleast till now what he did deserve praise bro.
 
One player scaring the crap out of Indians from a hopeless situation.

He may or may not screw up now but man...what a guy he is.
 
I can bet, we will lose this game by 50+ runs despite AB looking set. Its what seperates him from goat batsmen. If this was Klusner we would either win or lose by 13 or so runs
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
ABD is great TILL wickets don't fall. But if he does, he does lose his head.

He doesn't slog when there is no choice (won't be blamed then). He slogs or plays a bad shot when situation gets really pressure filled.
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Mate SA doesn't have a deep batting lineup. The tail is not reliable enough for him to continue playing within himself. They'd be bowled out way before he even gets anywhere near the target. It's not as simple as don't slog or slog because he's under pressure. He has to play the right cards and it's very difficult when your top order continuously chokes.

If he had somewhat reliable batsmen until #8, or even gun chasers like Raina and Dhoni at 5-6, what you're saying would be correct.
 
Runs his mate out only to bring more pressure to himself, which he can't handle. Really infuriating this guy.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
One player scaring the crap out of Indians from a hopeless situation.

He may or may not screw up now but man...what a guy he is.
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I bet you are only following the scorecard. The way he is playing, there is an opportunity every over and even then 78 of 86 balls isn't something that scary.

Decent fight though, just not good enough.
 
Zak_Fan said:
I bet you are only following the scorecard. The way he is playing, there is an opportunity every over and even then 78 of 86 balls isn't something that scary.

Decent fight though, just not good enough.
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It's not an easy pitch...Everyone was struggling... AB has to score runs also and go with the run rate...all this on his own...
 
ChachaCricket said:
Mate SA doesn't have a deep batting lineup. The tail is not reliable enough for him to continue playing within himself. They'd be bowled out way before he even gets anywhere near the target. It's not as simple as don't slog or slog because he's under pressure. He has to play the right cards and it's very difficult when your top order continuously chokes.

If he had somewhat reliable batsmen until #8, or even gun chasers like Raina and Dhoni at 5-6, what you're saying would be correct.
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See my post in page 1 and the time of his dismissal in high profile games bro. It says it all.
 
Ab Fan said:
It's not an easy pitch...Everyone was struggling... AB has to score runs also and go with the run rate...all this on his own...
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I get that, but all he is doing is having wild swings here and there. He has survived today, but not all days will be this lucky. He is too classy a player to be scoring like that.
 
Zak_Fan said:
I bet you are only following the scorecard. The way he is playing, there is an opportunity every over and even then 78 of 86 balls isn't something that scary.

Decent fight though, just not good enough.
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Yeah...following score only.

To bring it this close from that situation is crazy bro. Don't you feel jittery since he is there. He can take 20-25 runs from a lulloo's over any time he wants. He has to get out.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Dude....he PLAYED INCREDIBLY WELL to get to here.

It was pressure filled.

Was very dodgy at first I heard but now is getting set.

If he gets out now...that's a different issue but has been commedable till now.

You are way too harsh on ABD. Atleast till now what he did deserve praise bro.
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I'm not, AB is not a match winner, simple as that.
Over and over be it tests or otherwise he looks set only for the opposition to still win comfortably. Its what sets him apart from other great batsmen, they make a game of it when set.
 
ChachaCricket said:
Why would I need to see your post when I've watched the games.
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Ok. Your analysis isn't accurate when hard core data proves otherwise.

I posted cricinfo dismissals by the way.

There is soso killer who is too harsh on ABD and you are being too soft on ABD.

I watched the games TOO and yes he loses wickets stupidly in high profile games.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah...following score only.

To bring it this close from that situation is crazy bro. Don't you feel jittery since he is there. He can take 20-25 runs from a lulloo's over any time he wants. He has to get out.
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Ok, now I am worried too.

Harby turned out to be that lullu. :))
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Ok. Your analysis isn't accurate when hard core data proves otherwise.

I posted cricinfo dismissals by the way.

There is soso killer who is too harsh on ABD and you are being too soft on ABD.

I watched the games TOO and yes he loses wickets stupidly in high profile games.
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You have to understand the composition of his team. Lol data doesn't show show his team is full of chokers. I'm not being too soft. He doesn't have reliable players like Dhoni, Raina, Dhawan, Rohit who are good to great players under pressure.
 
Gutted for AB, what a brilliant effort.

The run rate was just a bit too much with only tailenders left.
 
Scratchy but a gutsy inning comes to an end. Played like a gladiator. :sachin
 
Brilliant innings. People are being too harsh on him, he got close but just had too much to do.

He had a bit of luck early on after getting to 40 odd he has looked pristine.

It was not idiotic slogging, he just had to go for.

No support from the other end.

Dhoni has been in these sort of situations many times and he has not done any better, far worse many times infact.

The simple thing is when chasing scores of 300 and above you need a couple of big partnerships, one man cannot do it especially with his teammates struggling as bad as AB's were today.

This may come as a shock but he is not superman.
 
Give SA one guy who can handle pressure down the order and partner AB. A lesser version of Dhoni or a Klusner and SA become a much more formidable unit.
 
Hilarious thread. One man can't win you a match single-handedly, especially while chasing.
 
Fahdi said:
Give SA one guy who can handle pressure down the order and partner AB. A lesser version of Dhoni or a Klusner and SA become a much more formidable unit.
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Yeah I don't understand why they went in so bowler-heavy. In ODIs batsmen play a bigger role. Elgar should have played instead of Phangiso - not sure what the circumstances are for his exclusion.
 
Pressure situation, lone warrior, tough conditions...what else any1 wants...he scores 112 of 107 balls...this was his best inning till date...it was repetition of Sachin 175 against Aus..The pitch was so tough to bat...Its like chasing 350 and that also single handedly...
 
Mobashir said:
His guys, are you fine? Where have you gone?

Best innings of the series. Best innings against spin on a turner since Pontings effort in the world cup.
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:)) if you think this dodgy innings (at the start) was better than Rohit's earlier this series.
 
Jo_Don said:
Yeah I don't understand why they went in so bowler-heavy. In ODIs batsmen play a bigger role. Elgar should have played instead of Phangiso - not sure what the circumstances are for his exclusion.
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Was Duminy injured today?
 
Ab Fan said:
Pressure situation, lone warrior, tough conditions...what else any1 wants...he scores 112 of 107 balls...this was his best inning till date...it was repetition of Sachin 175 against Aus..The pitch was so tough to bat...Its like chasing 350 and that also single handedly...
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Kohli did, tendu did, dhoni did.... Ab isn't good enough.
 
Sachin136 said:
:)) if you think this dodgy innings (at the start) was better than Rohit's earlier this series.
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Rohit's inning was better but they are too different to compare.

Rohit was playing in home conditions, pitch was not nearly as difficult, he had much better support.

Every one of AB's partner looked like a complete dupe today.

Rating AB's innings higher may not be as ridiculous as you make it sound. Opinions may differ.
 
Ab Fan said:
Pressure situation, lone warrior, tough conditions...what else any1 wants...he scores 112 of 107 balls...this was his best inning till date...it was repetition of Sachin 175 against Aus..The pitch was so tough to bat...Its like chasing 350 and that also single handedly...
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There is a difference. I won't talk about the quality of batting, since Sachin played on an easier pitch. But throughout Sachin's inning, India was in the match, in control. Infact, Sachin kept us in the game and brought India to a point where a win was just a formality.

AB's inning although very gutsy, never really got South Africa in the game. He let the required rate creep too high and undoing that in the end proved to be quite a lot.
 
Zak_Fan said:
There is a difference. I won't talk about the quality of batting, since Sachin played on an easier pitch. But throughout Sachin's inning, India was in the match, in control. Infact, Sachin kept us in the game and brought India to a point where a win was just a formality.

AB's inning although very gutsy, never really got South Africa in the game. He let the required rate creep too high and undoing that in the end proved to be quite a lot.
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The game was always open till AB was there..Everyone knew you get AB and the game is finished. But he was there till 42-43 over and SA always had chance...
 
Fahdi said:
Rohit's inning was better but they are too different to compare.

Rohit was playing in home conditions, pitch was not nearly as difficult, he had much better support.

Every one of AB's partner looked like a complete dupe today.

Rating AB's innings higher may not be as ridiculous as you make it sound. Opinions may differ.
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What support did Rohit have in the first ODI? No other batsman except Rahane crossed 31, and Rahane's innings at that low SR just increased the pressure on Rohit.
 
Pitch became very tough to bat later on..That's why I rate this inning very high...Even 260 would have been a good score..During the toss, AB said it was a crucial toss and they have lost it..And when India scored 300, they knew its very tough to chase... But AB showed lots of grit and fought the battle alone... Rohit inning was great too but the pitch was easier and he didn't had to play with tailenders...It becomes even tougher when you have to score at 10 and most of the runs have to be made by yourself only..
 
Ab Fan said:
The game was always open till AB was there..Everyone knew you get AB and the game is finished. But he was there till 42-43 over and SA always had chance...
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South Africa had a chance only if some of the slogs he played came off. But the way AB played, it was only a matter of time before he got out.

It wasn't impossible to bat on the pitch, Kohli, Rahane and De Cock showed that you could play risk free Cricket and still score runs.
 
Ab Fan said:
Pitch became very tough to bat later on..That's why I rate this inning very high...Even 260 would have been a good score..During the toss, AB said it was a crucial toss and they have lost it..And when India scored 300, they knew its very tough to chase... But AB showed lots of grit and fought the battle alone... Rohit inning was great too but the pitch was easier and he didn't had to play with tailenders...It becomes even tougher when you have to score at 10 and most of the runs have to be made by yourself only..
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Ok, I agree, the pitch got tougher with time, that answers my post above.
 
Zak_Fan said:
South Africa had a chance only if some of the slogs he played came off. But the way AB played, it was only a matter of time before he got out.

It wasn't impossible to bat on the pitch, Kohli, Rahane and De Cock showed that you could play risk free Cricket and still score runs.
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De Kock mostly faced pacers. Kohli, Rahane faced Tahir. AB faced the trio Harbhajan, Axar and Mishra on a turner. Use your logic and figure who'd find it harder to score.
 
Itachi said:
Kohli did, tendu did, dhoni did.... Ab isn't good enough.
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Have to remember these indian players play a lot of matches in indian roads so they grt plenty of opportunities. Dnt remember sachin ever playing a big knock in a chase. Out of allonly kholi hasplayed 1 knock against SL in australia. They play aloton this 350+ grounds so they have more chances but they dont often play that well
 
It is ridiculous that some posters are comparing Rohit innings to AB. Rohit did played a tremendous innings, but on pitches that are known to him. Where as AB played in conditions that are alien to him, where all other SouthAfrican Batsman failed.

Then how both innings are comparable? Had Rohit played a similar innings in capetown, then that would have been comparable to this.

Devillers knock in 4th odi> Rohit's knock in 1st ODI .period.
 
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Zak_Fan said:
South Africa had a chance only if some of the slogs he played came off. But the way AB played, it was only a matter of time before he got out.

It wasn't impossible to bat on the pitch, Kohli, Rahane and De Cock showed that you could play risk free Cricket and still score runs.
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there was no pressure for them. When AB was batting, the team was behind and losing wickets
 
ChachaCricket said:
De Kock mostly faced pacers. Kohli, Rahane faced Tahir. AB faced the trio Harbhajan, Axar and Mishra on a turner. Use your logic and figure who'd find it harder to score.
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Out of these bowlers, Tahir is actually the most accomplished one in ODI Cricket. But as Ab Fan pointed out, conditions were tougher when AB batted, so this has to be taken into account too, not to mention, India had 3 decent spinners while Tahir had no support.
 
Sachin136 said:
What support did Rohit have in the first ODI? No other batsman except Rahane crossed 31, and Rahane's innings at that low SR just increased the pressure on Rohit.
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No other batsman except De Kock even crossed 22!!

Rahane and Rohit's partnership was solid. India was doing very well while they were at the crease with plenty of batting to come. The RRR was well within reach.

And in AB's innings 4 batsmen, not tailender batsmen had SRs in the 50s, Amla had a SR of 70. AB couldn't form a patnership with anyone, a partner batting at 70 SR could have(probably would have) changed the result in this case.

And then there is the factor of the foreign conditions and the pitch being more difficult.

Dude don't argue with me. I already stated that I believe Rohit's inning was better but opinions can go either way.
 
sivaji said:
there was no pressure for them. When AB was batting, the team was behind and losing wickets
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Exactly and he had to play with tailenders and that also when the reqd rate was 9-10 and he had to score all of those runs..
 
The best part was that we saw great game of cricket and two of best batsmen of this era played memorable knocks for their team and one thing is for sure..this rivalry of kohli-AB would go down and get mentioned along with likes of Sachin-Lara rivalry..On other hand, it was Hashim Amla who was a big disappointment for SA and he really needs to sort it out...
 
Ab Fan said:
The best part was that we saw great game of cricket and two of best batsmen of this era played memorable knocks for their team and one thing is for sure..this rivalry of kohli-AB would go down and get mentioned along with likes of Sachin-Lara rivalry..On other hand, it was Hashim Amla who was a big disappointment for SA and he really needs to sort it out...
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Absolutely spot on mate!
 
Have seen De Villiers choke in crunch situations in chasing. Not a good run chaser at all. Malik is a better run chaser than him. What's use of superman batting skills if you can't be a superman in run chase?Give me Malik over a bottler any day.
 
MRSN said:
Have seen De Villiers choke in crunch situations in chasing. Not a good run chaser at all. Malik is a better run chaser than him. What's use of superman batting skills if you can't be a superman in run chase?Give me Malik over a bottler any day.
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Worst post I have ever read on this forum.
 
MRSN said:
Have seen De Villiers choke in crunch situations in chasing. Not a good run chaser at all. Malik is a better run chaser than him. What's use of superman batting skills if you can't be a superman in run chase?Give me Malik over a bottler any day.
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I think even Malik would be embarrassed at this post.
 
MRSN said:
Have seen De Villiers choke in crunch situations in chasing. Not a good run chaser at all. Malik is a better run chaser than him. What's use of superman batting skills if you can't be a superman in run chase?Give me Malik over a bottler any day.
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Wait! What?! :facepalm: :)))
 
soso_killer said:
I'm not, AB is not a match winner, simple as that.
Over and over be it tests or otherwise he looks set only for the opposition to still win comfortably. Its what sets him apart from other great batsmen, they make a game of it when set.
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That is true.
 
Enforcer said:
It is ridiculous that some posters are comparing Rohit innings to AB. Rohit did played a tremendous innings, but on pitches that are known to him. Where as AB played in conditions that are alien to him, where all other SouthAfrican Batsman failed.

Then how both innings are comparable? Had Rohit played a similar innings in capetown, then that would have been comparable to this.

Devillers knock in 4th odi> Rohit's knock in 1st ODI .period.
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Forgetting the quality of the bowlers...
 
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