Absolutely disgraceful and disgusting from Team Pakistan

[TalentSpotterPk]

First of all Congratulations to India. Well played.

India outplayed us in all departments. Yes in fielding too despite they having a bad day.


Pakistan's performance was of low grade Associate Team.


1. Poor Selection wrt Playing Eleven

2. Terrible Horrendous Captaincy from Sarfraz Ahmed. Rubbish field placing, rubbish bowling changes.

3. Defensive poor bowling lengths from our main bowlers Amir & Hasan. Darpok stuff, bowling handful of deliveries in 2m to 6m range.

If you don't take wickets against Indian batting you won't win. Such bowling lengths would give you wickets against Associate batting teams only.


4. Selfish senseless batting from Azhar & Shehzad especially in start. They knew rain would come into the game but in first 30 deliveries they preferred blockathon except for hit me deliveries.


5. Selfish, meaningless, substandard batting from Hafeez, Sarfraz & Imad.


6. Shehzad ? As usual dot balls king & when the ball moves slughtly his feet movement and reflexes are gone. Average at best.


7. Only Shoaib Malik looked confident. Only he looked physically fit. Only he was playing the modern game. Was brilliant fielding from Jadega but Hafeez shouldn't have said No Midway. Yousuf & Hafeez have this common selfish habbit. Hafeez should have sacrificed.


8. Only bowler who was Good wad Shadab Khan.




Shameful, Terrible performance.

Performance of not even 8th or 9th ranked team but looked like a 18 ranked Odi Team.



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No Holes barred. Pey Jaooo......

 

[Taaya]

The question I have is - who is in position to hold these people accountable?

 

[Square Drive]

Leave it yaar. Don't waste anymore time on this.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I agree with you.All your points are spot on.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Very much one sided match as expected. This is the reason why Pak is now 8/9th team. Very disappointed.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Hafeez is not a middleorder batsmen, he played as a batsmen but wasn't good enough, i think Malik or Sarfraz needs to move up the order just to up the ante.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

One must be realistic as well. Indian team is among the best ODI teams in the world. Pakistan team is among the worst. There is big difference talent available as well. I think India could pick a second 11 and that team would be Pakistan as well.

There is too big a difference in quality these days. It's like Real Madrid playing AC Milan. Too big difference. Once Milan was a great team as well, but these days struggling big time.

 

[pillionrider]

The Pakistan team should be more embarrassed by the fact that the Indians were not even celebrating towards the end as each miserable wicket fell.

 

[Hasan123]

Hafeez and Wahab are just absolute rubbish. I don't know what they have to do to be dropped. Hafeez and Shehzad were struggling to rotate the strike and seems as though they were playing for themselves. Azhar showed good intent early on, but was exposed later in the innings. Babar was poor at the start and got out to a soft shot. He nerds to stand up, he is our best batting talent .

The bowling was okay in patches, Wahab was rubbish. No need to say anymore on him. Sarfraz should have attacked Kohli with pace instead of allowing him to settle by bowling Imad. Also bowling Imad upfront was a pathetic move. If he wanted to bowl a spinner why not bowl Hafeez? Shadab did a decent job, I think Sarfraz could have had more of an attacking field for him though.

Fitness and fielding we are well behind India in these departments. No suprise that we dropped key catches and made mistakes in the field. Seems as though we can't handle the pressure in icc tournaments , our fielding shows this.

Depressed for the rest of the tournament, hope the boys show more fight vs South Africa and Sri Lanka.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

First of all kick out azhar,hafeez and wahab. Else no need to discuss.

 

[Pete Rose]

three things:
- this tournament performance is all on inzi
- and changing captains will do nothing
- our leading players have two decades of match losing experience

 

[The_Odd_One]

Not surprised, all the TTFs find a place in the team before every big tournament and each and every time they fail.

 

[prince77]

Pathetic stuff, but let's be real, we're ranked 8th for a reason. Don't mind losing, but disappointed at the lack of fight shown. Amir and Wahab leaving was pretty soft stuff tbh. It's a big game, you suck it up and play on adrenaline. Amir leaving the team at that time was soft stuff, I hope it was not a case of he knew what was coming and he decided to save face. Wahab should have finished bowling that last bowl. You're playing in a big game, you suck it up and play.

 

[blue_champion]

This was expected going by recent trends. Got crushed by Eng and Aus in ODI's + a disastrous WT20 with almost the same team but then a couple of series vs WI C teams and then back to playing against the big boys with the same team and feeling disgusted. Don't you guys see the trend? I am sure the fans are frustrated but just pointing out the obvious.

When India plays weak sides like WI or Zim or Bangladesh in the past,usually we try out C teams in ODI's atleast but I see the top X1 playing against even minnows.

 

[DonJee]

It's a clear reflection of how this country, Pakistan is as a whole! Poor, pathetic, shameless and backwards!

 

[asfandyar]

Just before they announced the 12 man squad, I was under the delusion (silly me, I love Pakistan), that maybe this time around things would be different. Fakhar and Hafeez would open with Haris at 4 and Faheem instead of Imad (marginally) and Junaid in place of Wahab.

The 12 man squad was yet another reality check that if you give 12 eggs to the team management for making a 2-egg omelette, they will meticulously choose the ones that are the most rotten.

This episode does prove one thing though. Even if the selectors choose a decent squad with a few hiccups, you can count on our team management to turn those hiccups into vomits.

 

[Madplayer]

three things:
- this tournament performance is all on inzi
- and changing captains will do nothing
- our leading players have two decades of match losing experience

In you opinion Can anything be done in next 5 years time to rectify all this nonsense?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

The question I have is - who is in position to hold these people accountable?

Remember. Countries which dominate in their National or most played Sports are those who are prospering in Education & Economics front too.


This also shows where we stand in terms of our Country's overall performance.


Did you see our players fitness ? Except for 2-3 players all looked physically unfit. Down on stamenna, energy etc.



Look at Merit and Eye for Talent.


In Pakistan Cup best Opener was Sahibzada Farhan. Before that tournament He was averaging 15 or there about in List A cricket but Wajahat & Fakhar saw something in him so they picked him.


On the other hand Karachi/Sindh's Best opener in terns of ability after Sharjeel & Shahzeb is Ahsan Ali but nobody bothered to pick him as we are stats freak people mostly and don't see overall picture. Ahsan has FC double Ton on debut, 2 of his 3 Fc tons are double tons and He has played 3 most dynamic and technically correct T20 knocks in Televised matches where he looked supreme class Act but He is not picked for PSL & not picked for even one domestic televised List A match.


Otherwise Ahsan & Sahibzada would have been top PC Openers and atleast one would have been picked. But ? None of them have Pawaa or back and None of them is Test Class Opener or Twitter Fb superstar.


System is Rotten.

 

[sam_ahm]

My friends are always very pumped up to beat Pakistan but honestly I didn't see much reaction today, it was as if this was all too easy as expected.

At the start of the match my relative looked at Pakistan's lineup and said "who are all these players, I barely know a few of them, we will beat them easy"

One friend posted on whatsapp when Hafeez got out, "last recognized batsman of Pakistan is out," to which another replied.. "Miandad?" ... Just sums it up. Pakistan simply do not have quality anymore.

 

[Markhor]

One of the most dispiriting, chastening and humbling days in the history of Pakistan cricket ?

Watching our ODI team for the last ten years, you've become used to seeing shambolic displays to the point where you become numb. However this defeat is different as it was crushingly inevitable from the MOMENT the CT squad was announced.

We KNEW Azhar Ali and Ahmed Shehzad are two thoroughly outdated openers for today's ODI cricket. Azhar is doing perfectly fine in Tests, for heaven's sake leave him there ! We KNEW Ahmed Shehzad is a limited batsman who was flattering to deceive in low standard competitions like the PSL and domestic one day tournaments where his inability to rotate strike wouldn't be exposed.

What did we have to lose drafting in a youngster like Sahibzada Farhan who impressed in the recent Pakistan Cup or Hussain Talat who has the boundary hitting ability we sorely lack ?

We KNEW Mohammad Hafeez is past his sell by date - who's failed in England, domestic cricket and the PSL. He eats up far too many balls trying to get set. Seeing him get hurried for pace by Hardik Pandya summed it up.

Imad Wasim is a one-dimension darter. He was potent early in his career against batsmen playing across the line, picking up bowleds and LBWs. However his action will not allow him to impart any turn in unfavourable conditions and his batting is hardly indispensable.

We KNEW Wahab Riaz is as wayward and inaccurate as ever, despite having a horror show last summer in England, and despite SEVEN years of internationals. WHY persist with someone rendered impotent since the two new ball rule in ODIs that's eliminated reverse swing ?

He didn't play today but WHY is Junaid Khan in the CT squad after failing in the PSL, disappointing in Australia, and doing nothing special in the Caribbean and Pakistan Cup ?

Most PPers could've told you ALL of this BEFORE the CT started. Yet our think tank did not. Nothing personal against these players, but explain the logic of persisting with players who GOT you to #8 and #9 in the ODI rankings in the first place. Yes persist with experience if they add value - but what kind of role model is someone like Hafeez who plays like a shaky debutant FOURTEEN years after his debut ?

Thank god Bangladesh tour is cancelled as they would've shown us our aukat too. This CT NEEDS to be a failure for the sake of Pakistan's long-term future. Otherwise if we jammy a semi-final place with the TTFs flattering to deceive, then the deadwood would be retained.

 

[big_gamer007]

I was expecting India to win but I thought it will be a close game.. The way Indian team handled pressure is a remarkable thing, Indian cricket is now very professional who take Pakistan just another team.. Pakistan is still living in past glory they need some drastic changes from domestic level..

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

It's a clear reflection of how this country, Pakistan is as a whole! Poor, pathetic, shameless and backwards!

This is quite harsh but TRUE.


Look at NZC Cricket flourushing. In Human development index they are in top 10 in world while we are at 140 odd ranked. There population is probably smaller than our 5-6 main cities yet where do they stand ? They played WC 2013 Final.


Why ? There Cricket is developed. There Cricket runs like their fair, honest, efficient government departments. Justice merit professionalism prevails.


When We were giving Loan to West Germany our Hockey Team was feared World Over and we were one of the Top 3 Hockey teams.


Now we Beg for Loans from West/Arabs/IMF and where does our Hockey team and ranking stand ?

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[Madplayer]

Imo the biggest issue that Pakistan faces in terms of batting is the way batsmen are selected.

What you do is , You see 7 batsmen who have scored the most runs in domestic LA competitions and pick them irrespective of the fact that they all are top order players and wont meet the requirements of the team.

Shehzad, azhar, hafeez, babar, malik, sarfaraz, fakhar, haris are all top order players who all have been playing and should play in top 4.

How on earth are you supposed to make a batting line up with these guys? They cant serve at all positions. You make the same top order player play at 5,6 and 7 just because he was the top domestic performer at number 4.

A better way would be to look at domestic matches and see which players have performed the besy at number 1,2,3,4,5,6,7 and then select the best guys from each position who know how to play in a particular position.

Bowling was good apart from wahab who should be launched into space.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

First of all kick out azhar,hafeez and wahab. Else no need to discuss.

What brilliance Ahmed Shehzad has shown with the Willow in all formats in last 2 years ?

 

[LordJames]

Pakistan are ranked 8th in the world and it clearly showed.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

Sorry forgot to tag you.

 

[gimac]

Loosing to Ireland in world cup ???

 

[Haroon786]

POTW [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION]

Agree with every word and the players mentioned are the deadwood that need to be removed imminently.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Pakistan are ranked 8th in the world and it clearly showed.

To me they looked 18 ranked tbh.


72 runs in last 4 overs.

 

[Pete Rose]

In you opinion Can anything be done in next 5 years time to rectify all this nonsense?

absolutely. need to play domestic odi tournaments in summer. dump hafeez/,malik, and select the top performers from the domestic odi set up, no matter how ungainly they might look

 

[KingKhanWC]

Let's keep our emotions in check and think with a cool head.

Did Pakistan do well to limit India to under 320 in 48 overs?

Yes but the tactics at the start were mind boggling, bowling Imad allowing Indian openers to settle esp since Dhawan is suspect against decent pace.

Did we have a chance to chase the runs down?

Yes but D/L cacluation made it more difficult and we know our batting is poor.

Conclusion the fight and tactics were not good enough it was disgusting to see this but the result is no surprise.

Let's see if we can upset SA on Wednesday to re gain some pride.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

The thing that summed it all up for me was the attitude.

Not ONE batsmen was interested in winning the match. The entire team looked like a bunch of dispirited individuals who have been forced into the torture chamber and if they survive they will get a few pats on the back for daring to enter the chamber.

It was utter annihiltion.

I feel sorry for the few fans that turned up to watch this team at Edgbaston.

They must have wanted to strangle the players. At no point, did the batsmen want to muster up the courage to chase.

The brilliant showcase being our best batting talent Babar Azam playing out a maiden when required rate was 7.5.

Who should i blame?

All of them. All of the players for representing the national colors and having no shame.

They gave up as soon as they bowled and saw 300.

PAKISTAN doesnt deserve to win the Champions Trophy 2017.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Great thread.

Big changes required but sadly we will continue to suffer.

 

[Big Mac]

Can't comment on the game as I didn't watch because I was too busy sulking over my bowling figures from yesterday being entered incorrectly. Now everyone looking at the scorecard thinks I bowled like a right [MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

 

[161]

If we are going to lose might as well do so trying youngsters.

We all knew what to expect from the likes of Shezad, Hafeez and of course Wahab.

Inzi stop selecting your old buddies, Micky Arthur needs to be put on notice !

 

[Rayyman]

Culprits were: Hasan, Wahab, Shehzad, Azhar, and Hafeez.

 

[Hamza_]

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] Its about time we re-engineer our cricket team and have radical changes.

Wahab Riaz, Ahmed Shehzad, Hafeez and Azhar Ali are all terrible and not cut for modern day cricket.

Mickey Arthur is all talk no result, Sarfraz is still in t20 mode or doesn't know how to captain an international team, He is the vice versa of aggressive, Even makes Azhar Ali look good.

Ahsan Ali/Umar Amin
Sahibzada Farhan
Babar
Haris
Shoaib
Sarfraz
Imad/Hussain Talat
Shadab
Fahim
Amir
Hassan

Only 4-5 players should be retained and no one else. Even if it means to drop Sarfraz from XI. Sarfraz looks like a liability right now.

 

[Hamza_]

About time Babar Azam understands he needs to play for the team. Your 50 Average has no use if you can't help team win games.

 

[kaayal]

I was expecting India to win but I thought it will be a close game.. The way Indian team handled pressure is a remarkable thing, Indian cricket is now very professional who take Pakistan just another team.. Pakistan is still living in past glory they need some drastic changes from domestic level..

Felt like Pakistan is still stuck in 90's cricket. Slow runrate, poor fitness and no hunger for win.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It wasn't that bad for me because looking at the line up you could pretty much predict how it would pan out before the toss so I had no high expectations.

 

[Billy1999]

Forget about it SHADAB KHAN has a bright future the way Kohli respected him as a bowler shows how good he was 1/52 doesn't show nothing he had a catch dropped of yuvi he bowled In the right area 90% of the times apart from that pull shot from Rohit even when Dhawan hit him for 6 he could have got him out in my book a star is born also got a cheeky not out at the end

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

What brilliance Ahmed Shehzad has shown with the Willow in all formats in last 2 years ?

Forgot to mention him

 

[SandyB]

In the post match discussions between Sanjay, Ponting and Ramiz, Ramiz was visibly hurt, and was breaking up in between sentences. I've never seen him this affected by a loss before. This wasn't the sorrow of losing, but more like anger and resentment .

I won't criticize the batting or bowling, but two things that Pakistan ABSOLUTELY deserves shaming for is Fielding and Fitness !. (India was horrible at the field too, and Kedar Jhadav is a repeat offender in his short ODI career, I expect him to be booted , if his catching doesn't improve. The rest were careless)

Fitness MUST be of prime importance in any modern Cricket side. There are still people in India who love to blame Dhoni for booting the seniors for lack of fitness, but majority of the fans now realize the benefits that this new culture brings.

You don't put unfit guys in the team PERIOD.

Also as long as there are multiple external forces controlling selections/team decisions from outside, no foreign / desi coach will make any difference.

You have to realize that even war ravaged Sri Lanka or the much poorer younger and over populated Bangladesh, has elevated its cricket team in these basics, much faster than the older desi teams .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Felt like Pakistan is still stuck in 90's cricket. Slow runrate, poor fitness and no hunger for win.

No surprise really, most of the flops from the 90's were probably still playing today, or at least that's how it felt. Hafeez's innings was a masterclass in how to play a losing knock by design and stay in long enough to guarantee it.

 

[big_gamer007]

Felt like Pakistan is still stuck in 90's cricket. Slow runrate, poor fitness and no hunger for win.

Exactly it's a shame really I went to sports bar to watch Pakistani innings, paid 1000 bucks entry and the innings got over before it started.. I would not blame the players because they are mediocre ODI side I would blame the rulers/PCB for not professionalising cricket in Pakistan..

Players should be blamed for lack of fitness and hunger but they are just not good enough tbh

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

The thing that summed it all up for me was the attitude.

Not ONE batsmen was interested in winning the match. The entire team looked like a bunch of dispirited individuals who have been forced into the torture chamber and if they survive they will get a few pats on the back for daring to enter the chamber.

It was utter annihiltion.

I feel sorry for the few fans that turned up to watch this team at Edgbaston.

They must have wanted to strangle the players. At no point, did the batsmen want to muster up the courage to chase.

The brilliant showcase being our best batting talent Babar Azam playing out a maiden when required rate was 7.5.

Who should i blame?

All of them. All of the players for representing the national colors and having no shame.

They gave up as soon as they bowled and saw 300.

PAKISTAN doesnt deserve to win the Champions Trophy 2017.

Only malik was trying in his short stay but pakistan winning one match will be a miracle with this team.

 

[Mamoon]

We are now back at the stage where we are looking to find scapegoats. Threads are flying around asking if Mickey is the problem, if Sarfraz is the problem, if Inzamam is the main culprit, if it is all Misbah's fault, if the kit-man is the reason for our decline etc. etc., and then after all the wailing, we decide to look forward to a rebuilding phase (as if we haven't been there before), and argue that if X replaces Y, the team will get better, and how it is time to bring in fresh faces.

It is time for us to realize that these 'fresh faces' are TTFs of the future. These Fakhars, Fahims, Talats, Sahibzadas, Ghulam Mudassars, Usama Mirs etc. etc. are not from Mars; these are products of the same rotten system that has produced the TTFs of today. 5 years down the line, people will be calling for their heads while bigging up the next generation of TTFs.

Pakistan cricket is simply not in a position to produce world class cricketers than can compete with the best the rest of the world has to offer, and it is not their fault. They are simply products of a system that cannot cope with the best.

We have talked about a revamp of domestic cricket for years and we will continue to talk about it and repeat ourselves for the next 10 years as well, but simply nothing is going to happen. The only way forward for Pakistan cricket is to privatize PCB and de-politicize it. Hand it over to private investors who don't have favors to repay and scores to settle. And no, the delusions that Imran Khan will become PM and fix the PCB are laughable. When he becomes PM, he will hand the PCB over to one of his 'friends', who could be one of the lotas from PPP with skeletons in the cupboard.

PSL is an example in front of us: The private owners are only concerned with the success of their franchises, so you don't so people like Hafeez captaining a franchise and Pakistan's ODI captain of the time (Azhar) was sacked after only one season by the Qalandars, because they knew that he was not cut for the job. Handing Pakistan cricket to private people is the only way forward for this team, because a public institution is nothing but a reflection of the state.

Nonetheless, I am simply wasting my time and energy on this because we all know nothing will going to happen. Come 2019, we will be asking the same questions and creating the same threads. I often see people who say that they were cricket fanatics but gave up when they realized that this team is not worth the emotional investment, and is a simply a waste of time. I can see where they are coming from, and the only solution for the fans now is to simply give up on this team or continue to get tortured for the rest of your lives.

The heydays of Pakistan cricket are not coming back. It is heading down the path of hockey and squash, and we are simply not capable of an resurgence. Just accept this fact and try to move on with your lives and focus on things that matter. I have wasted enough years on cricket and wasted enough time talking about cricket over the Internet. This could have been utilized in a much more productive and efficient way, something that would have served me in life.

Just give up on Pakistan cricket and cricket in general, it is best for you.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Not really. This result was expected from this team.

But I can also confidently say we can put together a much stronger team right at this minute.

 

[moghul]

We have lost quite a few in recent years but this one is the most embarrassing defeat we ever had against India.

 

[saqibjamil]

Completely agree with Mankhor. An entire overhaul is needed at this point - we are no 8/9 in odis for a reason. Players like Hafeez, Shehzad and Wahab have been given many chances and they have failed to develop their skillset. Experience comes in handy ONLY when you also build the skillset and our batsmen unfortunately have not learned from their mistakes in all of these matches they've played.
Why stick with these old tested and tried players - why not use Fakhar as an opener, Haris in the middle order and Fahim in the late order - whats the harm in grooming these players?
Blame the coaching staff in Mickey as well as Azhar Mahmood - this guy has destroyed our fast bowling unit: under his coaching, we conceded 444 to England as well; he needs to be gotten rid off FAST.

 

[Markhor]

It wasn't that bad for me because looking at the line up you could pretty much predict how it would pan out before the toss so I had no high expectations.

Not really. This result was expected from this team.

But I can also confidently say we can put together a much stronger team right at this minute.

Yep I mention that in the OP - it was crushingly inevitably the moment the squad was announced. That's why its so dispiriting and frustrating as we could see this from a mile off yet the professionals paid huge sums cannot.

We KNEW all the limitations of players like Azhar, Shehzad, Hafeez and Wahab who GOT us to #8 and #9 ranking in the first place yet we still persist with them and ask them to play modern way of ODI cricket which they're incapable of.

 

[Manager101]

We are now back at the stage where we are looking to find scapegoats. Threads are flying around asking if Mickey is the problem, if Sarfraz is the problem, if Inzamam is the main culprit, if it is all Misbah's fault, if the kit-man is the reason for our decline etc. etc., and then after all the wailing, we decide to look forward to a rebuilding phase (as if we haven't been there before), and argue that if X replaces Y, the team will get better, and how it is time to bring in fresh faces.

It is time for us to realize that these 'fresh faces' are TTFs of the future. These Fakhars, Fahims, Talats, Sahibzadas, Ghulam Mudassars, Usama Mirs etc. etc. are not from Mars; these are products of the same rotten system that has produced the TTFs of today. 5 years down the line, people will be calling for their heads while bigging up the next generation of TTFs.

Pakistan cricket is simply not in a position to produce world class cricketers than can compete with the best the rest of the world has to offer, and it is not their fault. They are simply products of a system that cannot cope with the best.

We have talked about a revamp of domestic cricket for years and we will continue to talk about it and repeat ourselves for the next 10 years as well, but simply nothing is going to happen. The only way forward for Pakistan cricket is to privatize PCB and de-politicize it. Hand it over to private investors who don't have favors to repay and scores to settle. And no, the delusions that Imran Khan will become PM and fix the PCB are laughable. When he becomes PM, he will hand the PCB over to one of his 'friends', who could be one of the lotas from PPP with skeletons in the cupboard.

PSL is an example in front of us: The private owners are only concerned with the success of their franchises, so you don't so people like Hafeez captaining a franchise and Pakistan's ODI captain of the time (Azhar) was sacked after only one season by the Qalandars, because they knew that he was not cut for the job. Handing Pakistan cricket to private people is the only way forward for this team, because a public institution is nothing but a reflection of the state.

Nonetheless, I am simply wasting my time and energy on this because we all know nothing will going to happen. Come 2019, we will be asking the same questions and creating the same threads. I often see people who say that they were cricket fanatics but gave up when they realized that this team is not worth the emotional investment, and is a simply a waste of time. I can see where they are coming from, and the only solution for the fans now is to simply give up on this team or continue to get tortured for the rest of your lives.

The heydays of Pakistan cricket are not coming back. It is heading down the path of hockey and squash, and we are simply not capable of an resurgence. Just accept this fact and try to move on with your lives and focus on things that matter. I have wasted enough years on cricket and wasted enough time talking about cricket over the Internet. This could have been utilized in a much more productive and efficient way, something that would have served me in life.

Just give up on Pakistan cricket and cricket in general, it is best for you.

I have bookmarked this post for later days.

 

[Executioner]

I don't mean to be rude but playing against West Indies didn't help.

After those series against West Indies Pakistan became rather overconfident and as a result went on their usual approach. The likes of Wahab kept on being selected. Imad Wasim is not really much of a batsman to bat at 7. He is like Jadeja to an extent. Batting at 8 is fine by his standards.

 

[LordJames]

I didn't bother watching much of the Game because I knew the results. That's how utterly predictable this whole game was for me.

I was right in not sitting there and watching this carnage.

 

[Rayyman]

I agree with most of it [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION], but I think you're being harsh on Imad. Yes, he is a one-trick pony with the ball, but he was doing fine until Wahab got injured.

With the bat, barely gets chances, because top-order has already killed game by the time he got out there.

So I won't blame Malik, Sarfraz and the batting thereafter. The Azhar-Hafeez partnership was the dagger and there was no chance after Azhar got out.

 

[the SHA]

Yup, today was a new standard of disgrace. I'm so glad I declined a ticket to go!

 

[Hamza_]

We are now back at the stage where we are looking to find scapegoats. Threads are flying around asking if Mickey is the problem, if Sarfraz is the problem, if Inzamam is the main culprit, if it is all Misbah's fault, if the kit-man is the reason for our decline etc. etc., and then after all the wailing, we decide to look forward to a rebuilding phase (as if we haven't been there before), and argue that if X replaces Y, the team will get better, and how it is time to bring in fresh faces.

It is time for us to realize that these 'fresh faces' are TTFs of the future. These Fakhars, Fahims, Talats, Sahibzadas, Ghulam Mudassars, Usama Mirs etc. etc. are not from Mars; these are products of the same rotten system that has produced the TTFs of today. 5 years down the line, people will be calling for their heads while bigging up the next generation of TTFs.

Pakistan cricket is simply not in a position to produce world class cricketers than can compete with the best the rest of the world has to offer, and it is not their fault. They are simply products of a system that cannot cope with the best.

We have talked about a revamp of domestic cricket for years and we will continue to talk about it and repeat ourselves for the next 10 years as well, but simply nothing is going to happen. The only way forward for Pakistan cricket is to privatize PCB and de-politicize it. Hand it over to private investors who don't have favors to repay and scores to settle. And no, the delusions that Imran Khan will become PM and fix the PCB are laughable. When he becomes PM, he will hand the PCB over to one of his 'friends', who could be one of the lotas from PPP with skeletons in the cupboard.

PSL is an example in front of us: The private owners are only concerned with the success of their franchises, so you don't so people like Hafeez captaining a franchise and Pakistan's ODI captain of the time (Azhar) was sacked after only one season by the Qalandars, because they knew that he was not cut for the job. Handing Pakistan cricket to private people is the only way forward for this team, because a public institution is nothing but a reflection of the state.

Nonetheless, I am simply wasting my time and energy on this because we all know nothing will going to happen. Come 2019, we will be asking the same questions and creating the same threads. I often see people who say that they were cricket fanatics but gave up when they realized that this team is not worth the emotional investment, and is a simply a waste of time. I can see where they are coming from, and the only solution for the fans now is to simply give up on this team or continue to get tortured for the rest of your lives.

The heydays of Pakistan cricket are not coming back. It is heading down the path of hockey and squash, and we are simply not capable of an resurgence. Just accept this fact and try to move on with your lives and focus on things that matter. I have wasted enough years on cricket and wasted enough time talking about cricket over the Internet. This could have been utilized in a much more productive and efficient way, something that would have served me in life.

Just give up on Pakistan cricket and cricket in general, it is best for you.

This performance was shambolic. We could have better players than these, Babar Azam, Sharjeel, Haris Sohail all come from the same country. Atleast be competitive and win some games if not all.

Ahmed Shehzad, Hafeez, Wahab, Junaid.etc have been garbage. You cannot say that these players will be TTFs of future.

 

[Big Mac]

In the post match discussions between Sanjay, Ponting and Ramiz, Ramiz was visibly hurt, and was breaking up in between sentences. I've never seen him this affected by a loss before. This wasn't the sorrow of losing, but more like anger and resentment .

Good.

Now he knows what I feel like whenever he's commentating.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Totally expected this. No surprise at all. Already told my friends beforehand.

Until we do not remove this 'Tuk Tuk' syndrome we will never beat a top 4 side. Inzamam ul Haq only made it worse by selecting 5 Tuk Tuk masters and ignoring some other talented bowlers/allrounders.

After some time you get used to it and I do not see things getting better the way we select players. A few wins against WI, Bangla ain't good enough folks!!!

 

[Jabo]

And all the blame should go on Waqar Younis and the PCB.

Because they started it
When we had viewers when tried to rebuild
These idiots kept selecting the same awful players
Now as a side we are awful
And who the hell really cares about the cricket matches now, watch the crowd at the next series in the UAE, it will be dead.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] Its about time we re-engineer our cricket team and have radical changes.

Wahab Riaz, Ahmed Shehzad, Hafeez and Azhar Ali are all terrible and not cut for modern day cricket.

Mickey Arthur is all talk no result, Sarfraz is still in t20 mode or doesn't know how to captain an international team, He is the vice versa of aggressive, Even makes Azhar Ali look good.

Ahsan Ali/Umar Amin
Sahibzada Farhan
Babar
Haris
Shoaib
Sarfraz
Imad/Hussain Talat
Shadab
Fahim
Amir
Hassan

Only 4-5 players should be retained and no one else. Even if it means to drop Sarfraz from XI. Sarfraz looks like a liability right now.

Good suggestions.

Mickey is not at fault. He is Coach yes Coach.


Hope Amin improves his temperament.


Junaid has to go too.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Pakistan cricket is dying and nothing can be done to save it.

 

[LordEddardStark]

We are now back at the stage where we are looking to find scapegoats. Threads are flying around asking if Mickey is the problem, if Sarfraz is the problem, if Inzamam is the main culprit, if it is all Misbah's fault, if the kit-man is the reason for our decline etc. etc., and then after all the wailing, we decide to look forward to a rebuilding phase (as if we haven't been there before), and argue that if X replaces Y, the team will get better, and how it is time to bring in fresh faces.

It is time for us to realize that these 'fresh faces' are TTFs of the future. These Fakhars, Fahims, Talats, Sahibzadas, Ghulam Mudassars, Usama Mirs etc. etc. are not from Mars; these are products of the same rotten system that has produced the TTFs of today. 5 years down the line, people will be calling for their heads while bigging up the next generation of TTFs.

Pakistan cricket is simply not in a position to produce world class cricketers than can compete with the best the rest of the world has to offer, and it is not their fault. They are simply products of a system that cannot cope with the best.

We have talked about a revamp of domestic cricket for years and we will continue to talk about it and repeat ourselves for the next 10 years as well, but simply nothing is going to happen. The only way forward for Pakistan cricket is to privatize PCB and de-politicize it. Hand it over to private investors who don't have favors to repay and scores to settle. And no, the delusions that Imran Khan will become PM and fix the PCB are laughable. When he becomes PM, he will hand the PCB over to one of his 'friends', who could be one of the lotas from PPP with skeletons in the cupboard.

PSL is an example in front of us: The private owners are only concerned with the success of their franchises, so you don't so people like Hafeez captaining a franchise and Pakistan's ODI captain of the time (Azhar) was sacked after only one season by the Qalandars, because they knew that he was not cut for the job. Handing Pakistan cricket to private people is the only way forward for this team, because a public institution is nothing but a reflection of the state.

Nonetheless, I am simply wasting my time and energy on this because we all know nothing will going to happen. Come 2019, we will be asking the same questions and creating the same threads. I often see people who say that they were cricket fanatics but gave up when they realized that this team is not worth the emotional investment, and is a simply a waste of time. I can see where they are coming from, and the only solution for the fans now is to simply give up on this team or continue to get tortured for the rest of your lives.

The heydays of Pakistan cricket are not coming back. It is heading down the path of hockey and squash, and we are simply not capable of an resurgence. Just accept this fact and try to move on with your lives and focus on things that matter. I have wasted enough years on cricket and wasted enough time talking about cricket over the Internet. This could have been utilized in a much more productive and efficient way, something that would have served me in life.

Just give up on Pakistan cricket and cricket in general, it is best for you.

True. Nothing changes unless PCB is revamped. Cricket is going down the roads of Hockey.

 

[boomboom6]

Till we continue to disregard performers and deserving players, we deserve to get humiliated on global stage.

We haven't learned a single thing since CT 2013.

Kohli in post match stated that he played 4 seamers because of Pak's traditional strength vs spinners ... a basic fact we failed to understand about India as well ... If we had it our way, it should've been Amir, Sohail, Hasan and Fahim along with Shadab.

And then in batting Fakhar should've opened with either Sarfraz or Shehzad and Haris should've played in place of Hafeez if the latter wasn't going to bowl.

It's mind boggling that we repeated the mistake from Adelaide 2015 of playing too many spinners and only 2 real pacers in Amir & Hasan.

 

[Bilal7]

My condolences for all those who watched this game from start to finish. I hope you get well soon.

Having said that, the team selection and captaincy was very poor today. Two spinners against India was never going to work and we dropped our second-best new ball bowler and only decent power-hitter, who also happens to be a seam bowler in favor of the aforementioned two spinners. Azhar, Shehzad and Hafeez in the same team is absolutely horrid. Replace two of them with Fakhar and Haris and the batting lineup looks so much better.

All in all a horrible showing by Pakistan. Nothing clicked today, except for Amir, who really deserves to be playing for a better team. Given the short turn-around between matches and that our next opponents are South Africa, it will take something very special to turn our last game against Sri Lanka into a virtual quarter-final.

Good.

Now he knows what I feel like whenever he's commentating.

)

 

[Hamza_]

Good suggestions.

Mickey is not at fault. He is Coach yes Coach.


Hope Amin improves his temperament.


Junaid has to go too.

Mickey needs to sit back and pick new players with selectors, It's his role to identify players, work with them and provide them appropriate roles.

Hafeez scoring runs against WI was the worst thing for us in sometime as well as Shehzad scoring that 50.

Who do you think should be the captain? Shoaib Malik? Mohammad Amir?

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

The Pakistan team should be more embarrassed by the fact that the Indians were not even celebrating towards the end as each miserable wicket fell.

 

[MRSN]

absolutely shameful. Today I'm really embarrassed to be even fan of this pathetic team. I knew this team is not capable of beating this Indian team but I didn't know they would not even try and show any fight. This was pure surrender. I give up on this team.

 

[MRSN]

Totally expected this. No surprise at all. Already told my friends beforehand.

Until we do not remove this 'Tuk Tuk' syndrome we will never beat a top 4 side. Inzamam ul Haq only made it worse by selecting 5 Tuk Tuk masters and ignoring some other talented bowlers/allrounders.

After some time you get used to it and I do not see things getting better the way we select players. A few wins against WI, Bangla ain't good enough folks!!!

it's amazing the tuk tuk syndrome has still place in the Paksistani camp and fans minds. The defense of Azhar Ali and his selection is pure proof of that. And also packing the team with full of accumulators and not even one pinch hitter. Looks like we are quite enjoying the minnow status.

 

[Markhor]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

Sorry forgot to tag you.

As I mention in #20, what's worst is the crushing inevitablility of this result the moment the CT squad was announced.

Ultimately the PCB has to be held accountable for our declining ODI fortunes. Throughout the 80s and 90s, they coasted on the back of outstanding individual players but never bothered to professionalise the domestic and grassroots structure thinking these players will continue to be produced.

Even that golden generation was polished in English county cricket but that finishing school is no longer an option. West Indies and Sri Lanka made the same mistake, as soon as their star players retired they were in trouble as their domestic systems, like Pakistan, is not producing the international ready talent needed.

We can keep hiring and firing coaches and selectors but if you don't change the underlying structure then expect the same results. Australia, South Africa and New Zealand (where cricket isn't even the primary national sport) have the fraction of the population of Pakistan but does a far better job of maximising its resources.

These problems sadly are not new and have been discussed by fans since 99 WC. Most people here will stay loyal as cricket is their passion. However I fear larger sections of the public may soon lose interest in cricket as this stagnation continues.

 

[IM NOT YOU]

Watching our ODI team for the last ten years, you've become used to seeing shambolic displays to the point where you become numb. However this defeat is different as it was crushingly inevitable from the MOMENT the CT squad was announced.

We KNEW Azhar Ali and Ahmed Shehzad are two thoroughly outdated openers for today's ODI cricket. Azhar is doing perfectly fine in Tests, for heaven's sake leave him there ! We KNEW Ahmed Shehzad is a limited batsman who was flattering to deceive in low standard competitions like the PSL and domestic one day tournaments where his inability to rotate strike wouldn't be exposed.

What did we have to lose drafting in a youngster like Sahibzada Farhan who impressed in the recent Pakistan Cup or Hussain Talat who has the boundary hitting ability we sorely lack ?

We KNEW Mohammad Hafeez is past his sell by date - who's failed in England, domestic cricket and the PSL. He eats up far too many balls trying to get set. Seeing him get hurried for pace by Hardik Pandya summed it up.

Imad Wasim is a one-dimension darter. He was potent early in his career against batsmen playing across the line, picking up bowleds and LBWs. However his action will not allow him to impart any turn in unfavourable conditions and his batting is hardly indispensable.

We KNEW Wahab Riaz is as wayward and inaccurate as ever, despite having a horror show last summer in England, and despite SEVEN years of internationals. WHY persist with someone rendered impotent since the two new ball rule in ODIs that's eliminated reverse swing ?

He didn't play today but WHY is Junaid Khan in the CT squad after failing in the PSL, disappointing in Australia, and doing nothing special in the Caribbean and Pakistan Cup ?

Most PPers could've told you ALL of this BEFORE the CT started. Yet our think tank did not. Nothing personal against these players, but explain the logic of persisting with players who GOT you to #8 and #9 in the ODI rankings in the first place. Yes persist with experience if they add value - but what kind of role model is someone like Hafeez who plays like a shaky debutant FOURTEEN years after his debut ?

Thank god Bangladesh tour is cancelled as they would've shown us our aukat too. This CT NEEDS to be a failure for the sake of Pakistan's long-term future. Otherwise if we jammy a semi-final place with the TTFs flattering to deceive, then the deadwood would be retained.

TOP POST.

It's absolutely baffling that anybody would select shehzad, azhar ali, hafeez, and wahab into an international team. All four have been horrible and their stats are all trash.

When you select such a team, what on earth do you expect? This isn't hindsight analysis, this is the most obvious stuff that anybody with half a brain can see. How on earth does a professional organization's management no have the analytics abilities to see this disaster before it happens?

What on earth were they thinking selecting azhar ali, shehzad, hafeez and wahab?

 

[PakLFC]

It is the same as always. India played much better then us and even on paper are the much stringer team. At least this time round prior to the match we did not make any silly comments.

 

[Bewal Express]

We have been at this low point before and the same criticisms are made but nothing happens. When Hafeez, Shazad are dropped other poor players will take their place, so wait for Kakmals, Anwar Ali etc to come back and when they fail, people want the original failures to be recalled. Rinse and repeat

 

[GLORY OF '92]

To be honest I'm extremely demoralised.

Agree with Mamoon and Markhor but we saw this in 2013 CT.

In every aspect mentally and physically we were an embarrassment.

Maybe we are finished and we will never reach the glorious heights again....

 

[geraltofrivia]

All the people with all this wrist slitting will be back before the Asia Cup 2018 match with false bravado only to create threads like - "How long a rope will Hafeez get" kind of threads after Pakistan lose again.

 

[shaz619]

I like you Talent Spotter and you know this my brother but you're better then to underestimate this Pakistan team, come to a conclusion when the tournament is over. We got this, have faith in the boys and Mickey Arther; if you have any questions for the coach let me know and I'll get back to you through another source. No one has an idea, soon you all will see. Just wait

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

As I mention in #20, what's worst is the crushing inevitablility of this result the moment the CT squad was announced.

Ultimately the PCB has to be held accountable for our declining ODI fortunes. Throughout the 80s and 90s, they coasted on the back of outstanding individual players but never bothered to professionalise the domestic and grassroots structure thinking these players will continue to be produced.

Even that golden generation was polished in English county cricket but that finishing school is no longer an option. West Indies and Sri Lanka made the same mistake, as soon as their star players retired they were in trouble as their domestic systems, like Pakistan, is not producing the international ready talent needed.

We can keep hiring and firing coaches and selectors but if you don't change the underlying structure then expect the same results. Australia, South Africa and New Zealand (where cricket isn't even the primary national sport) have the fraction of the population of Pakistan but does a far better job of maximising its resources.

These problems sadly are not new and have been discussed by fans since 99 WC. Most people here will stay loyal as cricket is their passion. However I fear larger sections of the public may soon lose interest in cricket as this stagnation continues.

You are absolutely correct but keep it in mind that the PCB is as good as FIA, FBR, NAB, Railways etc etc.

I am sure in Aus, Nz, Sa, Uk, Bd, Ind CEO of Cricket boards aren't selected like Najam Sethi sahib has been hand picked by PM sahib. He is actually the CEO of PCB aswell as Vice chairman.


Wrt Associations, districts elections there are maafias and there is huge corruption be it be funds or the elections.


All this shows up in our overall Output.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=141885]Moiza[/MENTION] forgot to mention you.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

I like you Talent Spotter and you know this my brother but you're better then to underestimate this Pakistan team, come to a conclusion when the tournament is over. We got this, have faith in the boys and Mickey Arther; if you have any questions for the coach let me know and I'll get back to you through another source. No one has an idea, soon you all will see. Just wait

I still support my team. This was just a post martym of today's performance. I have no issues with Coach. He is doing fine job. Cricket is not Football.


I hope we perform out of our skin in next matches and save some grace. Today's performance was shambolic and Associate level.

 

[shaz619]

I still support my team. This was just a post martym of today's performance. I have no issues with Coach. He is doing fine job. Cricket is not Football.


I hope we perform out of our skin in next matches and save some grace. Today's performance was shambolic and Associate level.

We can still make the semi's, this team is way better then what you say today