Accused in Asma assault & murder case sentenced to life imprisonment [Update Post #162]

[Mamoon]

PESHAWAR: Doctors have confirmed sexual assault and torture on four-year-old Asma who was killed by unidentified persons in the Jandarpar Gujjar Garhi area of Mardan.

According to the post-mortem report, wounds were found on different parts of Asma’s body and she was strangled. Her body was found four days ago from fields.

The four-year-old had gone missing while playing outside her house. She was laid to rest on Sunday. But Khyber Pakhtunkhwa IGP Salahuddin Mehsud says rape could not be confirmed yet and the things would be clear only after receiving report from the forensic lab in Lahore. He, however, said she was strangled and claimed that the murderers would soon be arrested.

Two other girls were previously murdered in Mardan after sexual assault. One of them was six-year-old Shab Noor [daughter of Latif Khan], killed in **** Khwar on August 22, 2016. The other was a nine-year-old raped and murdered by three unidentified youngsters in Shergarh.

Mardan Nazim Himayatullah Mayar said rape and murder of the little girl wasn’t the first in Mardan, adding that the PTI government and Imran Khan were acting as silent spectators. Mayar pointed out the fact that Imran protest against similar incidents in Punjab but remains silent when repeated in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.

Announcing to stage a protest today (Wednesday), he said the police were not providing the autopsy report which clearly mentioned that the child was raped before being murdered. Monitoring Desk adds: On the other hand, Mardan police chief, Dr Mian Saeed, told BBC they were collecting data of locals, adding that the police were not getting any additional help because the incident occurred in a far-flung area.

APP adds: PML-N leader and Prime Minister's adviser Amir Muqam Tuesday condemned Asma's brutal murder and said this incident had exposed the performance of the so-called reformed police of PTI Chairman Imran Khan.

In a statement issued here, he said prior to this, two girls of age 3 and 5 years respectively were raped and brutally murdered in the vicinity of KP Chief Minister Pervez Khattak.

"Imran's scale justice changes with the change in province. His conscience only awake when something happens in Punjab but it sleeps when an incident occurs in KPK," he said. He said the incidents of rape and killing of minors in all over the country was a moment of worry for everyone.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/269383-autopsy-confirms-asma-raped-before-murder-in-mardan

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION]

Third victim in just over a year - raped, murdered and thrown into the fields. All in Mardan. Where is the hue and cry? What happened to the great police reforms in KP? Why is it happening again and again?

Please post a picture of Pervez Khattak, accuse him and the PTI of being accomplices to this crime.

Let's hope she gets as much as airtime as Zainab, because Shab Noor in August 2016 certainly didn't. God bless them all.

More importantly, Will Qadri and his humnawas turn their container towards KP?

It seems as if KP and Mardan are not in the script.

 

[Major]

poor stuff, lets see if KPK police makes arrest

 

[Bewal Express]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/269383-autopsy-confirms-asma-raped-before-murder-in-mardan

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION]

Third victim in just over a year - raped, murdered and thrown into the fields. All in Mardan. Where is the hue and cry? What happened to the great police reforms in KP? Why is it happening again and again?

Please post a picture of Pervez Khattak, accuse him and the PTI of being accomplices to this crime.

Let's hope she gets as much as airtime as Zainab, because Shab Noor in August 2016 certainly didn't. God bless them all.

More importantly, Will Qadri and his humnawas turn their container towards KP?

It seems as if KP and Mardan are not in the script.

Firstly, my heart goes out to the family and let the culprit is hanged. So you raise this point because GEO did this 2 days ago but i agree if CM-Khattak and who ever is the equivalent of Rana the Qatil interrferred in any investigation then they also need to be hanged. Did the Politicians interfere like they did 2015 in Kasur, did they actively support the rapists in Kasur then they also need to be hanged. Do agree with me that Showbiz and Rana should also be hanged?

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

Third case in a year. What happened to the first two cases, were the culprits caught or not? Why is this happening in Mardan over and over again and under the watchful eye of sadiq & ameen Pervez Khattak?

As an ardent Junooni, I am sure you are aware of the details and how justice was served to the victims.

Perhaps you weren't even aware of the incidents because @PTIOfficial and [MENTION=5335]imrankhan[/MENTION]PTI doesn't cover such news.

Thankfully, you had enough respect for the families to not call it fake news, like you did for tabdeeli champion SMQ demolishing a university wall for his son's wedding.

120+ views, 3 replies - looks like the Junoonis are avoiding this thread like a plague. Unfortunately for them, Mardan is not in Punjab.

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

Third case in a year. What happened to the first two cases, were the culprits caught or not? Why is this happening in Mardan over and over again and under the watchful eye of sadiq & ameen Pervez Khattak?

As an ardent Junooni, I am sure you are aware of the details and how justice was served to the victims.

Perhaps you weren't even aware of the incidents because @PTIOfficial and [MENTION=5335]imrankhan[/MENTION]PTI doesn't cover such news.

Thankfully, you had enough respect for the families to not call it fake news, like you did for tabdeeli champion SMQ demolishing a university wall for his son's wedding.

120+ views, 3 replies - looks like the Junoonis are avoiding this thread like a plague. Unfortunately for them, Mardan is not in Punjab.

Its interesting that you avoided all my points. If PH is involved or has been negligent then he needs to be in prison/HANGED. If any Politician from the PTI has interferred then they also need to be hanged. If the independent Police are not doing their job then officers need to be asked questions and then sacked if they have not taken it seriously or have been negligent.
Lets compare this with your desperate attempt at equivalence in the KASUR case. Firstly, the politicians are involved in Kasur and they are all from the Nooras. They are protected by CM and his Qatil, do you think that they should all be hanged. Many 100`s of kids have been raped but not one person charged, why do you think that is?
If this the best you can do to protect your great hope SS, how pathetic!

 

[Waseem]

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/269383-autopsy-confirms-asma-raped-before-murder-in-mardan

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] [MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] [MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION]

Third victim in just over a year - raped, murdered and thrown into the fields. All in Mardan. Where is the hue and cry? What happened to the great police reforms in KP? Why is it happening again and again?

Please post a picture of Pervez Khattak, accuse him and the PTI of being accomplices to this crime.

Let's hope she gets as much as airtime as Zainab, because Shab Noor in August 2016 certainly didn't. God bless them all.

More importantly, Will Qadri and his humnawas turn their container towards KP?

It seems as if KP and Mardan are not in the script.

First of all, extremely sad for Asma and other victims, i really hope culprits are arrested and hanged and massive shame on KPK police if they are protecting culprits.

Secondly, very cheap and poor attempt to respond to Zainab rape and Kasur children abuse case.

You really don't need to be defensive about this whole issue. Zainab's case wasn't first one and there is long history behind that case. There has been multiple cases since Zainab's murder but nothing got same media coverage mainly because Kasur has unique history and this is why there has been massive protests in Kasur by the locals. Do you think those protesting in Kasur were PTI supporters? Or do you think they lost their lives staging a drama?

Do you know Khurram Shehzad Victor's case? Three of his daughters were raped and one of his daughter is still held hostage by the criminals. Police has refused to lodge FIR and he has been sleeping in front of Lahore press club for 3 months so Shahbaz Sharif can take notice but no notice because there is nothing on media so no limelight for him.

Mardan case for me is no different to Kasur or Karachi. When Mashal was murdered, we all ran same campaign as we did for Zainab so no at least we don't suffer from selective sympathy.

I hope this thread is created to get justice for victims rather than "Revenge thread".

 

[Waseem]

I haven't even talked about PMLN politicians involvement in Kasur case yet.

I haven't talked about most pathetic involvement of police in Kasur case yet.

PMLN MNAs from Kasur admitted on tv shows they had warned Shahbaz Sharif what was happening in Kasur for a year but no reaction from him.

One of key culprit in Kasur case is Hanif Abbasi's business partner and threatens the victims who decided to burn themselves just last month if police and politicians continue to threaten them.

Salute to you for coming up with this to defend Kasur child abuse and Zainab's case.

 

[Bewal Express]

I haven't even talked about PMLN politicians involvement in Kasur case yet.

I haven't talked about most pathetic involvement of police in Kasur case yet.

PMLN MNAs from Kasur admitted on tv shows they had warned Shahbaz Sharif what was happening in Kasur for a year but no reaction from him.

One of key culprit in Kasur case is Hanif Abbasi's business partner and threatens the victims who decided to burn themselves just last month if police and politicians continue to threaten them.

Salute to you for coming up with this to defend Kasur child abuse and Zainab's case.

Here is a supposed Doctor, defending pedo`s. His best is that its ok in Kasur because its happened in Mardan and the PTI are in charge in Mardan. Can imagine if one of IK`s or his ally was involved in Kasur?

 

[Bewal Express]

I haven't even talked about PMLN politicians involvement in Kasur case yet.

I haven't talked about most pathetic involvement of police in Kasur case yet.

PMLN MNAs from Kasur admitted on tv shows they had warned Shahbaz Sharif what was happening in Kasur for a year but no reaction from him.

One of key culprit in Kasur case is Hanif Abbasi's business partner and threatens the victims who decided to burn themselves just last month if police and politicians continue to threaten them.

Salute to you for coming up with this to defend Kasur child abuse and Zainab's case.

And the reason was? who is he protecting?

 

[Halaribo]

Is there any proof that Mamoon even is a doctor?

I expect better than *** for tat arguments from someone so accomplished. I think some posters are intimidated by his articulate posts, but they shouldn't be.

Mamoon, what you're essentially arguing is "look there are other unsolved rapes, where's the outrage?"

The outrage is the evidence that there's known serial pedo groups in Punjab which the authorities are aware of, and nothing has been done.

The outrage is that certain people came out and said it's the parent's fault their daughter was raped.

Aren't you always accusing people of deflection?

You're telling me someone of your alleged mental capacity can't understand the motive of the article?

It would have been more sincere had it been a scathing attack on the whole nation, exposing it's despondency and apathy to addressing these heinous crimes.

I don't expect much though from someone who has views like yours. Your naukar are in my duah's.

I hope they live to see a day where they don't have to serve the oppressive upper classes of Pakistan.

 

[Slog]

shameful gloating by OP. Really its just a kid.

In any case I hope KPK police get to bottom of this and unlike Punjab police dont give protection to the perpetrators of such acts

 

[DRsohail]

Sad story but Lets see what the KP police do .

 

[DRsohail]

Hope it is not handlled like kasur case.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] kp police done a remarkable job in arresting Mashal khan suspexts with in 24 hours though one of them if i am not wrong escaped but 47 suspects were arrested and the case was hanndelled in professional way....anaothe DI khan case 8 out of 9 were arrested .though PMLN is trying to drag them here but i see much differnce bw serial rapes and law minister defending it with out any action.Things like this happens everywhere but it is police and government behaviour and approach which makes people frustrated.

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] kp police done a remarkable job in arresting Mashal khan suspexts with in 24 hours though one of them if i am not wrong escaped but 47 suspects were arrested and the case was hanndelled in professional way....anaothe DI khan case 8 out of 9 were arrested .though PMLN is trying to drag them here but i see much differnce bw serial rapes and law minister defending it with out any action.Things like this happens everywhere but it is police and government behaviour and approach which makes people frustrated.

Exactly-if [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] had shown govt collusion, Police corruption or PTI cover than its worth discussing and criticizing. Instead he wanted to equate the horrendous crimes in Kasur with full complicity of Police, govt etc with the this terrible crime which other than it was horrendous crime has little or no evidence at all with any of those things. As i said he was worth listening to, even if a disagreed with him. Its as if the disqualification of NS and the incompetence and criminality of Showbiz has totally unhinged him. He was accusing IK of mental instability but i say he needs to look closer to home.

 

[Syed1]

OP doing politics on rape of children.... how low can a person get



I hope the PTI government and KPK police does not support the child molesters like Punjab government/police and proper investigation is done and the criminals hanged.

 

[King-Misbah]

Rape is disgusting! I support PTI and I hope they get to the bottom of this. Mamoon we all are Pakistanis and want best for Pakistan so please do not divide us over such issues by playing such games. The difference here is that I know PTI and KPK police will do something about this as oppose to supporting the criminals and come out with statements that the parents are responsible. We need to be idealistic and improve Pakistan as oppose to settling with mediocre performances of the political parties. You can support any party but Pakistan is first as is logic and humanity.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Unbelievable to see what is happening in Pakistan. Another child molested, this time in Mardan. Very shocked to see that no culprit is caught till now.<br>Sadly all political parties are making it a political issue but no one is finding a solution to stop child abuse <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/justiceforasma?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#justiceforasma</a> <a href="https://t.co/DpMJcp7NQ7">pic.twitter.com/DpMJcp7NQ7</a></p>— Junaid khan 83 (@JunaidkhanREAL) <a href="https://twitter.com/JunaidkhanREAL/status/953623230870446081?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Abdullah719]

Medico-legal report of 4-year-old Mardan girl points to sexual violence: IG KP

The medico-legal report of a four-year-old girl whose body was found on Sunday evening in Mardan suggests she might have been raped before being murdered, Inspector General Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) Salahuddin Mehsood said on Wednesday.

The medico-legal report says the girl died by strangulation and also points to sexual violence against the victim, Mehsood said.

However, he stressed that the police was still awaiting a forensic report of the crime as medico-legal report has left certain things unclear.

While addressing a press conference in Peshawar, the provincial police chief said the body of the girl had been found from sugarcane fields a day after she went missing. An eight-member committee under the regional police officer, Mardan, which also included the superintendent police (investigation), had been constituted on January 14.

He also said that another informal committee comprising family members of the victim, members of the provincial Dispute Resolution Council and local political leaders has been formed to overlook the police investigation.

Mehsood said that all evidence for the case, including DNA samples, has been collected and expressed hope that the culprits will be caught soon since the case was the first priority of the provincial police.

The police had earlier been accused by members of the family and the district nazim of trying to hush up the matter and hide the sexual assault.

The Awami National Party (ANP) is set to hold a protest against the incident today, and the police had also promised the family that the forensic report would arrive by today.

Cases of sexual assault against minors have come under greater scrutiny in the country following the rape and murder of six-year-old Zainab in Kasur, whose body was found from a dump in the city last week.

The news shocked the entire country with #JusticeforZainab becoming the rallying cry while violent protests broke out in Kasur.

The prime suspect in the case, however, remains at large despite the provincial administration and police forming multiple committees and multiple agencies working on the case.

Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif visited Kasur today and said that important headway had been made in the case and the culprits would be caught soon. He condemned the politicisation of Zainab's case saying the girl killed in Mardan was also the nation's daughter and asked whether those protesting on Mall Road today would also express the same solidarity with her as they expressed with Zainab.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1383519/m...d-mardan-girl-points-to-sexual-violence-ig-kp

 

[Saeed]

Disgusting, this and Kasur is just one of the few cases that got media attention. Who knows how many families keep it a secret out of shame or for whatever reason. KPK needs to ensure that people can report such cases without any intimidation. If government employees are involved in this in any way they deserve severe punishment.

 

[JaDed]

Bohat si kursiyan is mulk mein laashon pe rakhi hain
ye woh sach hai jise jhoota se jhoota bol sakta hain
-Munawar

 

[PakLFC]

Disgusting. Until the perpetrators are punished in public this will continue. The scary thing is many men in Pak ee nothing wrong in treating their spouse like slaves. I do not even believe that Zainab's abuser has been caught. Just the media trying to calm the people down.

 

[Syed1]

Bohat si kursiyan is mulk mein laashon pe rakhi hain
ye woh sach hai jise jhoota se jhoota bol sakta hain
-Munawar

I used to think I had full command over the Urdu language.... But I don't even know what you are trying to say

 

[saadibaba]

What is going on in Pakistan the supposed "land of the pure".

So much religiosity and conservatism in recent years and this is what we have to show for it. Rape and murder of children.

Also, lets not do political point scoring on these sad and horrific incidents. We need to do soul searching as a nation. Why is our society breeding so many sick and perverted individuals.

 

[Mamoon]

First of all, extremely sad for Asma and other victims, i really hope culprits are arrested and hanged and massive shame on KPK police if they are protecting culprits.

Secondly, very cheap and poor attempt to respond to Zainab rape and Kasur children abuse case.

You really don't need to be defensive about this whole issue. Zainab's case wasn't first one and there is long history behind that case. There has been multiple cases since Zainab's murder but nothing got same media coverage mainly because Kasur has unique history and this is why there has been massive protests in Kasur by the locals. Do you think those protesting in Kasur were PTI supporters? Or do you think they lost their lives staging a drama?

Do you know Khurram Shehzad Victor's case? Three of his daughters were raped and one of his daughter is still held hostage by the criminals. Police has refused to lodge FIR and he has been sleeping in front of Lahore press club for 3 months so Shahbaz Sharif can take notice but no notice because there is nothing on media so no limelight for him.

Mardan case for me is no different to Kasur or Karachi. When Mashal was murdered, we all ran same campaign as we did for Zainab so no at least we don't suffer from selective sympathy.

I hope this thread is created to get justice for victims rather than "Revenge thread".

I did not tag you to provide a summary of the list of allegations (and misdemeanors) of PML-N. I consider you as one of the very few sane supporters of PTI on this forum (the ones who are not Junoonis), which is why I am surprised at how oddly quiet you are on this issue.

You are very vocal on the Zainab thread, but I haven't see you raise your voice for the victims in Mardan. Three cases in 1 year, but I don't see you demanding justice for their families and making threads.

What happened to the criminals in the first two cases? Did the Mardan Police catch them? If not, why? Why isn't there any hoopla over these cases? Why the selectivity?

 

[Mamoon]

OP doing politics on rape of children.... how low can a person get



I hope the PTI government and KPK police does not support the child molesters like Punjab government/police and proper investigation is done and the criminals hanged.

The irony is strong in this one. Unfortunately, it has been PTI and PTI supporters who have played politics on Zainab's case, and used her for marketing purposes. Absolutely sickening.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=145670]Halaribo[/MENTION]

What is the relevance of profession here? Yes I can provide proof for you, I can upload a picture of my degree and I can also provide proof of my medical license, but that will not be an advisable thing to do over the Internet.

Nonetheless, it is not about deflection or *** for tat. Why is Zainab's name on everyone lips today and not the victims of Mardan? This is the third case in the last one year. I bet that you weren't even aware of those incidents before I brought them to light here.

The whole country is aware of Zainab's case, but why are they ignorant when it comes to Shab Noor?

What happened to the criminals of those victims? Were they caught?

If yes, where is the report and what are the findings, and what have the so-called vigilant Mardan Police done to ensure that these things do not happen in the future?

If justice has been served, please share with us the details so that the other provinces can learn from the exemplary KP police.

If justice has not been served yet, why don't we see Imran and Pervez Khattak on TV, ensuring everyone that the police is working on these cases?

Why is Imran Khan focusing on Zainab, when girls in his own province have suffered the same fate?

PTI's champion of Islam, Muhammad Ali Khan made a great speech on Zainab's case in NA the other day. What has stopped him from doing the same for the victims of Mardan?

Pervez Khattak is good at leading protests. Perhaps he should lead one against his Provincial Home Minister.

You do not have answers to these questions. Hence, you have resorted to ad hominem. I do not mind exchanging pleasantries, but I believe that we should stay focused on the hypocrisy and double-standards that are at play here.

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

You have a documented history of reading only what you want to read. You accuse me of supporting Rana who supports pedophiles, but if you go back to the Zainab thread, you will see that in my very first post, I have stated that Rana needs to be held accountable for this and deserves to get booted out.

[MENTION=142765]King-Misbah[/MENTION] Please read above, it should answer your post.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=2071]saadibaba[/MENTION]

It is not about political point scoring, but it is pertinent to point out the hypocrisy of PTI. Imran, Pervez Khattak and PTI's champion of Islam Muhammad Ali Khan have had nothing to say on the Mardan victims, and have channeled all their energies South.

PTI politicized Zainab's case. It is because of their political point scoring and marketing that Zainab is a household name in Pakistan today and no one cares about Shab Noor and the other victims in KP. Absolutely disgusting.

I am sure if there would have been an equivalent of Mashal in Punjab, his case would also have been swept under the carpet, the Punjab victim would have been marketed. PTI's deflection tactics could not have been implemented at that time, but they are certainly at play when it comes to these child victims.

 

[hafeezrocks]

[MENTION=145670]Halaribo[/MENTION]

What is the relevance of profession here? Yes I can provide proof for you, I can upload a picture of my degree and I can also provide proof of my medical license, but that will not be an advisable thing to do over the Internet.

Nonetheless, it is not about deflection or *** for tat. Why is Zainab's name on everyone lips today and not the victims of Mardan? This is the third case in the last one year. I bet that you weren't even aware of those incidents before I brought them to light here.

The whole country is aware of Zainab's case, but why are they ignorant when it comes to Shab Noor?

What happened to the criminals of those victims? Were they caught?

If yes, where is the report and what are the findings, and what have the so-called vigilant Mardan Police done to ensure that these things do not happen in the future?

If justice has been served, please share with us the details so that the other provinces can learn from the exemplary KP police.

If justice has not been served yet, why don't we see Imran and Pervez Khattak on TV, ensuring everyone that the police is working on these cases?

Why is Imran Khan focusing on Zainab, when girls in his own province have suffered the same fate?

PTI's champion of Islam, Muhammad Ali Khan made a great speech on Zainab's case in NA the other day. What has stopped him from doing the same for the victims of Mardan?

Pervez Khattak is good at leading protests. Perhaps he should lead one against his Provincial Home Minister.

You do not have answers to these questions. Hence, you have resorted to ad hominem. I do not mind exchanging pleasantries, but I believe that we should stay focused on the hypocrisy and double-standards that are at play here.

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

You have a documented history of reading only what you want to read. You accuse me of supporting Rana who supports pedophiles, but if you go back to the Zainab thread, you will see that in my very first post, I have stated that Rana needs to be held accountable for this and deserves to get booted out.

[MENTION=142765]King-Misbah[/MENTION] Please read above, it should answer your post.

Because Imran Khan wants to divert all the focus on Punjab and it's rulers to show their incompetence, Talking about the same incidents in KP will expose his own incompetence.

At the end of the day, both parties are only diverting attention to other provinces to expose incompetence of other parties and hide their own. PTI, it's supporters and media have actually managed to spread the propaganda that PML-N is directly complicit with the rapists in Kasur.

 

[Mamoon]

Because Imran Khan wants to divert all the focus on Punjab and it's rulers to show their incompetence, Talking about the same incidents in KP will expose his own incompetence.

At the end of the day, both parties are only diverting attention to other provinces to expose incompetence of other parties and hide their own. PTI, it's supporters and media have actually managed to spread the propaganda that PML-N is directly complicit with the rapists in Kasur.

Exactly.

 

[Mamoon]

Also, the Punjab police at least have CCTV footage of the perpetrator, so there is some lead there.

What do the KP police have for the victims of Mardan? Daddu.

If they do have evidence and some lead, why is it not on TV so that the country can know?

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=145670]Halaribo[/MENTION]

What is the relevance of profession here? Yes I can provide proof for you, I can upload a picture of my degree and I can also provide proof of my medical license, but that will not be an advisable thing to do over the Internet.

Nonetheless, it is not about deflection or *** for tat. Why is Zainab's name on everyone lips today and not the victims of Mardan? This is the third case in the last one year. I bet that you weren't even aware of those incidents before I brought them to light here.

The whole country is aware of Zainab's case, but why are they ignorant when it comes to Shab Noor?

What happened to the criminals of those victims? Were they caught?

If yes, where is the report and what are the findings, and what have the so-called vigilant Mardan Police done to ensure that these things do not happen in the future?

If justice has been served, please share with us the details so that the other provinces can learn from the exemplary KP police.

If justice has not been served yet, why don't we see Imran and Pervez Khattak on TV, ensuring everyone that the police is working on these cases?

Why is Imran Khan focusing on Zainab, when girls in his own province have suffered the same fate?

PTI's champion of Islam, Muhammad Ali Khan made a great speech on Zainab's case in NA the other day. What has stopped him from doing the same for the victims of Mardan?

Pervez Khattak is good at leading protests. Perhaps he should lead one against his Provincial Home Minister.

You do not have answers to these questions. Hence, you have resorted to ad hominem. I do not mind exchanging pleasantries, but I believe that we should stay focused on the hypocrisy and double-standards that are at play here.

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

You have a documented history of reading only what you want to read. You accuse me of supporting Rana who supports pedophiles, but if you go back to the Zainab thread, you will see that in my very first post, I have stated that Rana needs to be held accountable for this and deserves to get booted out.

[MENTION=142765]King-Misbah[/MENTION] Please read above, it should answer your post.

I did read it but you didnt have the courage to say that its the Sharifs that need to sack him. So logically the Sharifs(SHOWBIZ) are just as guilty and hence he needs to resign. Why beat about the bush, but as Showbiz is your current favourite and the dead girl doesnt matter. If she did then you would have asked for the heads of both Rana and the guy that didnt sack him.

 

[Bewal Express]

Because Imran Khan wants to divert all the focus on Punjab and it's rulers to show their incompetence, Talking about the same incidents in KP will expose his own incompetence.

At the end of the day, both parties are only diverting attention to other provinces to expose incompetence of other parties and hide their own. PTI, it's supporters and media have actually managed to spread the propaganda that PML-N is directly complicit with the rapists in Kasur.

So once again a Noora you lives in denial, children have been raped in their 1000`s in Kasur since 2015 and you dont think the PML local, provincial and national are involved. How many of these cases have brought to court, yes the great sum of zero. Why is that?
And you talk of IK`s incompetence because he made the Police independent, which is the practice in most respectable democracies but in Noora land, the police cant even faart without permission of the CM and his son. Why do you think Showbiz is so desperate to control the Police?

 

[Bewal Express]

And the situation in Sindh as far as Political interference is concerned is just as bad. Can you answer why the politicians are desperate to control the Police? IK has made a historic decision to free the Police and whats more it will become the norm in years to come but Nooras cant bare the thought of a free and independent Police chosen on merit [MENTION=102121]hafeezrocks[/MENTION] , [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
https://www.dawn.com/news/1383723/ad-khawaja-to-continue-working-as-sindh-police-chief-directs-sc

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] i think everyone know here that things like these occurs everywhere but not that often which occured in kasur plus no one should defend it and police has to take action without any political pressure,what else. its as bad as the one in kasur but what occurred before that and after that have question marks.Hope my friend understand this as nobody will defend a rapist or an incompetent minister.

 

[DW44]

The reactions to the two threads, this one and the one about the Kasur case, sum up why there will be no justice in either case. Absolutely disgusting stuff. If your politics come down to exploiting the rapes of a four and a seven year old, it might be a good time to consider seppuku in the greater interest of the human race because your very existence is an insult to humanity.

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION] i think everyone know here that things like these occurs everywhere but not that often which occured in kasur plus no one should defend it and police has to take action without any political pressure,what else. its as bad as the one in kasur but what occurred before that and after that have question marks.Hope my friend understand this as nobody will defend a rapist or an incompetent minister.

Nooras on here defend rapists and killers as if its their religious duty. Our brother [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] wanted Rana out but supports his patron, confused, i am more than confused, i am totally bewildered at the stupidity of the logic.

 

[Bewal Express]

The reactions to the two threads, this one and the one about the Kasur case, sum up why there will be no justice in either case. Absolutely disgusting stuff. If your politics come down to exploiting the rapes of a four and a seven year old, it might be a good time to consider seppuku in the greater interest of the human race because your very existence is an insult to humanity.

Keep your patronising rubbish to yourself. The rapes in Kasur are political because Showbiz has had 4 years to deal with it, why hasnt a single case come to court? If the rapists in KP are protected then its also political. You come on here acting all clever shows your total lack of understanding.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] we are not politicians bro and yes you are right PTI and PMLN counterattacked each other with these filthy things which i think are counterproductive.

 

[DRsohail]

Keep your patronising rubbish to yourself. The rapes in Kasur are political because Showbiz has had 4 years to deal with it, why hasnt a single case come to court? If the rapists in KP are protected then its also political. You come on here acting all clever shows your total lack of understanding.

ve
He has his points.Why would somebody use it for political gain rather than helping them.I think Pti went so far in this thing that they have fallen in their own trap the less said about pmln the better it is.

 

[DW44]

Keep your patronising rubbish to yourself. The rapes in Kasur are political because Showbiz has had 4 years to deal with it, why hasnt a single case come to court? If the rapists in KP are protected then its also political. You come on here acting all clever shows your total lack of understanding.

Oh buzz off, your entire contribution to the discussions of the two rapes has been Noora this and Showbiz that so spare me your faux concern over Kasur. This entire thread, not so much as a word about the victim or the crime but more of the noora this and noora that **. It's quite rich of you to question my understanding considering that unlike you, I am actually from KPK, have family in KPK Police (Peshawar) and above all else, have experience dealing with Mardan Police recently. This is a police department who, straight off the bat, demanded a PKR 20'000 bribe (in 2015) to register an FIR for the theft of equipment valued at ~PKR 3 million. That FIR has still not been registered.

You live in your fantasy world with the depoliticized police (newsflash genius, KPK police was never an extension of the provinicial government like in Sind or Punjab, even before your jackass of a leader took over - he's just taking credit for something he stumbled into) and the messiah that will turn Pakistan into Sweden while you sit on your rear end in some village in the UK spouting nonsense about a country and political system you're less qualified to talk about than you are about astrophysics so as far as I'm concerned, you can take your one liners and fake outrage and stuff it.

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] we are not politicians bro and yes you are right PTI and PMLN counterattacked each other with these filthy things which i think are counterproductive.

PTI and PML-N supporters are a match made in heaven. Scumbags of the highest order, a few exceptions notwithstanding. The other poster quoted here is a textbook example, trying to milk the rape and murder of two children for gotchas.

 

[Bewal Express]

ve
He has his points.Why would somebody use it for political gain rather than helping them.I think Pti went so far in this thing that they have fallen in their own trap the less said about pmln the better it is.

There is no doubt these terrible things happen everywhere but if politicians protect the culprits then why is not political?

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] first of all i have to google many words to understand ur post .....and being a doctor if i go on to defend anyone for child rap are doing politics on this then i am sure i am violating my oath for being a doctor .
And we have to accept that PTI did somethings for political gain rather than for the child.

 

[DRsohail]

There is no doubt these terrible things happen everywhere but if politicians protect the culprits then why is not political?

Why did not pti took action are did something in 2015 and for the previous rapes.Here comes the question marks.

 

[DW44]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] first of all i have to google many words to understand ur post .....and being a doctor if i go on to defend anyone for child rap are doing politics on this then i am sure i am violating my oath for being a doctor .
And we have to accept that PTI did somethings for political gain rather than for the child.

It was clear I was referring to the man with no manners or moral compass, not you. Your political views don't make you a better or worse person but when someone starts whatabouting the rape and murder of a four year old to push their political agenda, the human race really would be better off without them.

 

[Bewal Express]

Oh buzz off, your entire contribution to the discussions of the two rapes has been Noora this and Showbiz that so spare me your faux concern over Kasur. This entire thread, not so much as a word about the victim or the crime but more of the noora this and noora that **. It's quite rich of you to question my understanding considering that unlike you, I am actually from KPK, have family in KPK Police (Peshawar) and above all else, have experience dealing with Mardan Police recently. This is a police department who, straight off the bat, demanded a PKR 20'000 bribe (in 2015) to register an FIR for the theft of equipment valued at ~PKR 3 million. That FIR has still not been registered.

You live in your fantasy world with the depoliticized police (newsflash genius, KPK police was never an extension of the provinicial government like in Sind or Punjab, even before your jackass of a leader took over - he's just taking credit for something he stumbled into) and the messiah that will turn Pakistan into Sweden while you sit on your rear end in some village in the UK spouting nonsense about a country and political system you're less qualified to talk about than you are about astrophysics so as far as I'm concerned, you can take your one liners and fake outrage and stuff it.




PTI and PML-N supporters are a match made in heaven. Scumbags of the highest order, a few exceptions notwithstanding. The other poster quoted here is a textbook example, trying to milk the rape and murder of two children for gotchas.

For a start read what i said at the start and might understand. Listen to your fake outrage whilst all the time looking to protect Nooras. But all Nooras are **** and you are no different, how is it not political when the CM and his law secretary are involved in the protection of the perpetrators. If the Police are corrupt then that needs to be exposed, if the politicians are corrupt then that needs to be exposed. Unlike you as a teacher we are trained in child protection, you seem to come on here pretending to be all clever but i havent seen anything worthwhile contributions from you. You join the discussion when you fear your masters are exposed for their criminality.

 

[DW44]

For a start read what i said at the start and might understand. Listen to your fake outrage whilst all the time looking to protect Nooras. But all Nooras are **** and you are no different, how is it not political when the CM and his law secretary are involved in the protection of the perpetrators. If the Police are corrupt then that needs to be exposed, if the politicians are corrupt then that needs to be exposed. Unlike you as a teacher we are trained in child protection, you seem to come on here pretending to be all clever but i havent seen anything worthwhile contributions from you. You join the discussion when you fear your masters are exposed for their criminality.

Protect the Nooras? Like this:

Someone needs to ask Punjab's jackass of a law minister whether his Lashkar e Jhangvi buddies are more vulnerable than this 7 year old child whose security was supposedly her parents' responsibility but Rana sahab seems to have no qualms bending over backwards to provide security to match Obama's for his terrorist friends. This whole situation is an absolute joke when a freaking 7 year old gets raped and killed while the law minister of all people, the one person more responsible than anyone else, is busy blaming the victim's family.

Or this:

This man (Rana) has no shame or self respect. Lowest form of filth masquerading as a human being and doing a poor job at that.

That would not surprise me in the slightest. No low is too low for Rana Sanaullah.

Off the many things I can reasonably be accused of, defending Nooras is not one. That much has been established pretty conclusively here but the fact that calling out youthiyas on their hypocrisy immediately draws a chorus of Noora apologist says it all about the likes of you. If the politicians are involved, there's a thread to discuss that. Hijacking a thread about another case with whataboutism and rants about Nooras speaks more to your own lack of a moral compass than it does to anything else. You're no better than the Nooras you spend your considerable energy and fairly worthless time ranting about. Don't kid yourself that you're any better than them.

The decent thing to do here would be to acknowledge that a terrible crime took place, that it's one of a series of similar crimes in the same place none of which have been even touched by the depoliticized police and that a miscarriage of justice took place. If you had anything to say about Rana or Shahbaz, there's another thread about a similar crime in their jurisdiction, go there and rant about them to your heart's content. That you chose to go on the defensive here and turn a thread about the rape and murder of a four year old into a thread about Shahbaz Sharif exposes your own hypocrisies and I feel terrible for the children with a teacher who only gets outraged by child rape when it happens in the jurisdiction of politicians he doesn't like. What a load of crap.

 

[DRsohail]

Lets come to the oriing is so much original topic [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION],this thing is another form of terrorism and law has to take action.This happens so often in madrassah and schools by teachers,We have to educate our children so that do not hesitate in telling something to parents.For that awareness of the parents is needed thorugh mass media campaign at least.

 

[DRsohail]

i mean stick to the topic and something productive,

 

[DW44]

Lets come to the oriing is so much original topic [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] and [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION],this thing is another form of terrorism and law has to take action.This happens so often in madrassah and schools by teachers,We have to educate our children so that do not hesitate in telling something to parents.For that awareness of the parents is needed thorugh mass media campaign at least.

It's not terrorism, it's our society's hypocrisy manifesting itself in ways that should have been foreseen by policymakers 40 years ago when they chose the direction our country was to go in for the next 50 years. It's become a trend in Pakistan to label every heinous crime an act of terrorism which is dangerous because (a) it diminishes the stigma attached to actual acts of terrorism and (b) it encourages the use of stop gap measures like anti terrorism and military courts trying routine crimes, making a mockery of due process and stunting the growth of the judicial system. This was a rape and a murder, nothing more, nothing less.

This was also one of thousands of such cases in Pakistan, the overwhelming majority of which go unreported because honor is apparently more important than justice. Afterall, reporting your eight year old's rape at the hands of her molvi won't undo the rape, right? This kind of thing is a reflection of the society we have become, not an act of terrorism (terrorism, incidentally, is another reflection of what we have become). I would post some articles detailing what goes on at our madrassas but they go into a lot of detail and I doubt they'd make it through the censorship here.

 

[DRsohail]

It's not terrorism, it's our society's hypocrisy manifesting itself in ways that should have been foreseen by policymakers 40 years ago when they chose the direction our country was to go in for the next 50 years. It's become a trend in Pakistan to label every heinous crime an act of terrorism which is dangerous because (a) it diminishes the stigma attached to actual acts of terrorism and (b) it encourages the use of stop gap measures like anti terrorism and military courts trying routine crimes, making a mockery of due process and stunting the growth of the judicial system. This was a rape and a murder, nothing more, nothing less.

This was also one of thousands of such cases in Pakistan, the overwhelming majority of which go unreported because honor is apparently more important than justice. Afterall, reporting your eight year old's rape at the hands of her molvi won't undo the rape, right? This kind of thing is a reflection of the society we have become, not an act of terrorism (terrorism, incidentally, is another reflection of what we have become). I would post some articles detailing what goes on at our madrassas but they go into a lot of detail and I doubt they'd make it through the censorship here.

We have to be honest and educate the parents so the children become more expressive .then ther is hope otherwise who is gonna take action if child does not tell his parents .
Dont forget school teachers do it as well.

 

[DW44]

We have to be honest and educate the parents so the children become more expressive .then ther is hope otherwise who is gonna take action if child does not tell his parents .
Dont forget school teachers do it as well.

And how do we educate parents and children? Have you seen the reaction from our public to suggestions that sex education be introduced at educational institutions? And all this from the most educated and privileged ~20% of our population who have internet access and enough of an education to be able to express their views in English. Imagine how backward the remaining 80% would be. The merest suggestion that anything of the sort you're suggesting is to be added to school curricula would incite riots - actual riots, not figurative ones. There would be more dharnas from religious parties and another 20-25 people would end up getting killed in the chaos that the religious folk rioting would create.

The solutions to these issues are not as simple as "more education" or "educate people". It involves deeper exploration of the very foundation our society and culture are built on and there's too many powerful people with vested interests there to ever let that happen, the religious establishment foremost among them.

 

[DRsohail]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] yess the thing is far worst than it looks .we as a nation though i am not of the view that we are a nation have fallen deep into the holes of tactics of these religious and political mafias.
Yes educated people try to avoid this topi,only some doctors and few activist will like to talk on this and that too in a personal way not in public.That is my observation sa far.

 

[Waseem]

I did not tag you to provide a summary of the list of allegations (and misdemeanors) of PML-N. I consider you as one of the very few sane supporters of PTI on this forum (the ones who are not Junoonis), which is why I am surprised at how oddly quiet you are on this issue.

You are very vocal on the Zainab thread, but I haven't see you raise your voice for the victims in Mardan. Three cases in 1 year, but I don't see you demanding justice for their families and making threads.

What happened to the criminals in the first two cases? Did the Mardan Police catch them? If not, why? Why isn't there any hoopla over these cases? Why the selectivity?

And i expected better from you, whether you admit or not but this thread was opened purely as a REACTION to Zainab's case in Kasur.

Rape of every girl/boy is equally painful but you have TOTALLY not understood why there was so much reaction on Zainab's case. As you pointed out, it wasn't first case in Mardan and there has been many such cases all over Pakistan. Kasur issue got the hype because of people of Kasur.

How many times have you seen people protesting out on streets on rape case [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] ? These cases unfortunately are very common and lot needs to be done in every corner of Pakistan. It is a worldwide problem but lot worse in 3rd world countries but let's stick to Pakistan as it's our main concern.

If you think whole media is running a campaign against PMLN and everyone is playing politics then it is quite ridiculous because people in Kasur were out on streets and people have lost lives protesting for justice. There is long history behind this and Zainab isn't one off case. You can't blame people of Kasur for running a propaganda can you?

Check this out:
The victims were threatening to self immolate and here is first couple of lines from article:
LAHORE - Many victims of the Kasur child abuse scandal have blamed the Punjab government for backing the alleged rapists, facing criminal trials in local courts.
https://nation.com.pk/20-Dec-2017/kasur-sex-scandal-victims-threaten-self-immolation

This is far above an d beyond police negligence. You simply fail to understand the mountain of difference in different cases. As per leaked call (not sure how authentic), there are some high profile people involved in Zainab's case.

Do you know what DPO Kasur did to family?

Do you know this DPO Kasur was exposed in a scandal where he demanded money from victim's family to investigate the rape case? Once this was exposed on tv show, he was transferred to this area where Zainab incident happened instead of suspending him.

Victims families blame many people affiliated with PMLN (one culprit Sheerazi is Hanif Abbasi's business partner and is wanted in Ephedrine case).

There are plenty of things that stink in whole Kasur scandal. Watch "Zara Hut Kay" on Dawn tv to find out disgusting role of Punjab government.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji’un

Find the perpetrators and hang them publicly

No mercy.

 

[Waseem]

Watch Hina Rabbani Khar's interview on CNN, Zainab's case has been highlighted on international media. She responded very well and said that some cases completely shake the nations and become iconic and this case has triggered massive debate that we couldn't think of before. People are discussing sex education in schools, child protection laws, parent's role, police role, media's role etc etc

 

[shah_1]

Really sad

Young kids should be taught in schools about strangers approaching and touching them inappropriately but Mullahs would never allow this as they have protested before to stop this happening.

 

[Bewal Express]

Protect the Nooras? Like this:


Or this:



Off the many things I can reasonably be accused of, defending Nooras is not one. That much has been established pretty conclusively here but the fact that calling out youthiyas on their hypocrisy immediately draws a chorus of Noora apologist says it all about the likes of you. If the politicians are involved, there's a thread to discuss that. Hijacking a thread about another case with whataboutism and rants about Nooras speaks more to your own lack of a moral compass than it does to anything else. You're no better than the Nooras you spend your considerable energy and fairly worthless time ranting about. Don't kid yourself that you're any better than them.

The decent thing to do here would be to acknowledge that a terrible crime took place, that it's one of a series of similar crimes in the same place none of which have been even touched by the depoliticized police and that a miscarriage of justice took place. If you had anything to say about Rana or Shahbaz, there's another thread about a similar crime in their jurisdiction, go there and rant about them to your heart's content. That you chose to go on the defensive here and turn a thread about the rape and murder of a four year old into a thread about Shahbaz Sharif exposes your own hypocrisies and I feel terrible for the children with a teacher who only gets outraged by child rape when it happens in the jurisdiction of politicians he doesn't like. What a load of crap.

Maybe your comprehension isnt the best but This thread was started by your friend as some of revenge for the terrible crimes highlighted in Kasur which culminated in riots and deaths. He wanted to equate the horrendous crimes in Kasur with the equally terrible crimes in Mardan. It was pointed out to him that if the evidence showed that the govt in KP or the Police were complicit then he had every right to equate the 2, he couldnt because there was none. This was not the same in Kasur where the scandal had been on going for 4 years and the CM had taken notice way back in 2015 but nothing was done bar accusing the parents of negligence and complicity in some cases.
Then you come in trying to get all moral and clever by saying that we dont care for the children and accused us playing politics. But my main point was not answered because you like all Nooras( yes another that claims he isnt ) couldnt take the fact that it was very political hence why the parents and families rioted and the culprits had backing of the govt. I once again link you to an article below to show why its political.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1382596

 

[DW44]

Maybe your comprehension isnt the best but This thread was started by your friend as some of revenge for the terrible crimes highlighted in Kasur which culminated in riots and deaths. He wanted to equate the horrendous crimes in Kasur with the equally terrible crimes in Mardan. It was pointed out to him that if the evidence showed that the govt in KP or the Police were complicit then he had every right to equate the 2, he couldnt because there was none. This was not the same in Kasur where the scandal had been on going for 4 years and the CM had taken notice way back in 2015 but nothing was done bar accusing the parents of negligence and complicity in some cases.

Not my friend and not my concern what his motivation for starting the thread was. I'm more concerned with the actual topic of the thread. Whatever pointing out you need to do, do it to him. My patience for your nonsense is pretty limited which is why I avoid engaging you.

Then you come in trying to get all moral and clever by saying that we dont care for the children and accused us playing politics. But my main point was not answered because you like all Nooras( yes another that claims he isnt ) couldnt take the fact that it was very political hence why the parents and families rioted and the culprits had backing of the govt. I once again link you to an article below to show why its political.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1382596

You do not care. You made that perfectly clear and there's no need to pretend otherwise. The rape in Kasur was nothing more to you than an opportunity to push your politics and this case is nothing more than an inconvenience because it caught you off guard when your hypocrisy was on full display. This thread has gone 58 posts and all you've done is try to divert attention from the spate of rape/murder of children in Mardan to those in Kasur. That is a new low even for a youthiya. Of all things, you chose to play butwhatabout over the rape and murder of a four year old? And then you have the gall to run around lecturing people on corruption? Then again, if ever there was someone I wouldn't put such a move past, it would be you so carry on.

 

[Syed1]

No headway in this case just like the Zainab case.... just lip service by politicians.

 

[Bewal Express]

Not my friend and not my concern what his motivation for starting the thread was. I'm more concerned with the actual topic of the thread. Whatever pointing out you need to do, do it to him. My patience for your nonsense is pretty limited which is why I avoid engaging you.


You do not care. You made that perfectly clear and there's no need to pretend otherwise. The rape in Kasur was nothing more to you than an opportunity to push your politics and this case is nothing more than an inconvenience because it caught you off guard when your hypocrisy was on full display. This thread has gone 58 posts and all you've done is try to divert attention from the spate of rape/murder of children in Mardan to those in Kasur. That is a new low even for a youthiya. Of all things, you chose to play butwhatabout over the rape and murder of a four year old? And then you have the gall to run around lecturing people on corruption? Then again, if ever there was someone I wouldn't put such a move past, it would be you so carry on.

Firstly as i said the thread was created as a diversion by your friend not me. I am amazed at yout talents, you can also read my intentions over the internet. With such a talent you should be hired by the investigators in these 2 terrible crimes because you will solve them in no time.
Unless you have comprehension of a child you will have read that i said that any politicians from the PTI like the Nooras that have helped to either cover up or helped the culprits should be hanged. But obviously that means that your narrative falls to pieces because you either dont understand or didnt read what i wrote, probably both, Nooras never do.
As far as lecturing people on corruption is concerned, the child in Kasur died because of corruption and the failure to deal with the earlier allegations but nice try to divert from your dear Nooras but your views have about as much value as much value as your friend who started the thread.

 

[DW44]

Firstly as i said the thread was created as a diversion by your friend not me.

Not my problem.

I am amazed at yout talents, you can also read my intentions over the internet. With such a talent you should be hired by the investigators in these 2 terrible crimes because you will solve them in no time.

We have that in common. You can tell who is or isn't a Noora, I can tell when someone is or isn't a lying hypocrite.

Unless you have comprehension of a child you will have read that i said that any politicians from the PTI like the Nooras that have helped to either cover up or helped the culprits should be hanged. But obviously that means that your narrative falls to pieces because you either dont understand or didnt read what i wrote, probably both, Nooras never do.

Empty rhetoric, and the bare minimum at that. The fact that you have more posts about Nooras and Kasur in a thread about the rape and murder of a kid in Mardan which has nothing to do with either is sufficient to gauge what angle you're pushing and it certainly isn't justice for either victim, it's more along the lines of "nothing to see here, move along and talk about Kasur instead". The equivalent of Afridi's "don't ask negative questions".

As far as lecturing people on corruption is concerned, the child in Kasur died because of corruption and the failure to deal with the earlier allegations but nice try to divert from your dear Nooras but your views have about as much value as much value as your friend who started the thread.

So, by extension, the child in Mardan also died due to corruption then? This isn't the first case in Mardan afterall, not even the first case in the last year. You youthiyas and nooras are made for each other. A bunch of dishonest opportunists waiting for their gotcha moment over the other.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Reading about these cases is heartbreaking.

I find it poor from the OP to use this as political point scoring.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION]

This thread was not created as a reaction to the Zainab's case; it was created to expose the hypocrisy and double-standards of PTI and its supporters. I can bet my bottom dollar that I had not created this thread, no PTI supporter - including you - would have talked about this.

Secondly, I am not defending the crimes of PML-N and the negligence of Kasur Police. I have a problem with Imran Khan and Pervez Khattak as well as the PTI supporters who have turned a blind eye to what is happening in their province and are focusing their attention on what is happening in Kasur.

Why is Imran Khan and Pervez Khattak quiet on this issue? Forget the protest of the people in Kasur - it has nothing to do with the PTI hierarchy. Why have they nothing to say about Shab Noor? It has been 1.5 years now. What happened to her case? What happened to the criminal?

Why is PTI's champion of Islam as well as our co-savior Qadri tight-lipped on this issue?

There is no denying that PTI politicized Zainab's case and used the poor girl for political point scoring, which is sickening.

All this talk of 'improvement' in KP police is nothing but utter garbage. They are still incompetent and corrupt. The only difference is that PTI's social media presence is very strong. However, it is full of lies.

The ground reality is completely different, and they are very good at deflecting the issue.

With all due respect, I challenge you as well as [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]. Come to Peshawar and if you get robbed or wronged by someone, go to any police station and register an FIR. If you can get through the system without paying any bribe, I will happily acknowledge that I was wrong.

Similarly, buy a property in Peshawar and if someone takes possession of it illegally, go to the CM House Complaint Cell and lodge a complaint. If any action is taken, I will happily acknowledge that I was wrong.

 

[Mamoon]

Reading about these cases is heartbreaking.

I find it poor from the OP to use this as political point scoring.

That is what PTI did. Imran Khan and Pervez Khattak have not uttered a word on what has been happening in Mardan over the past year. All their attention is focused on Punjab.

Both of them should answer for Shab Noor who was abused and murdered in August 2016. What happened to her case, what justice has been served?

It is shameful to see the deflection tactics of PTI, as if the life of the victims of Mardan were any less important than the one in Kasur.

 

[Bewal Express]

Not my problem.


We have that in common. You can tell who is or isn't a Noora, I can tell when someone is or isn't a lying hypocrite.

Empty rhetoric, and the bare minimum at that. The fact that you have more posts about Nooras and Kasur in a thread about the rape and murder of a kid in Mardan which has nothing to do with either is sufficient to gauge what angle you're pushing and it certainly isn't justice for either victim, it's more along the lines of "nothing to see here, move along and talk about Kasur instead". The equivalent of Afridi's "don't ask negative questions".



So, by extension, the child in Mardan also died due to corruption then? This isn't the first case in Mardan afterall, not even the first case in the last year. You youthiyas and nooras are made for each other. A bunch of dishonest opportunists waiting for their gotcha moment over the other.

Let me reply to your last terrible paragraph, without any evidence you are saying that child was murdered with the connivance of the Police and politicians. Chid molestation happens everywhere in the world and if you think that corruption is the cause of the murder then lets hear the evidence. How pathetic can you get by making such a serious accusation and not back it with any evidence.

My friend you are Noora, you came on here to divert from their corruption in Kasur but as i said earlier like with your friend it doesnt work when you dont have any evidence. As far hypocrites goes, liars are hypocrites and i havent made anything up, just read up on the role of your fellow Nooras in Kasur and you will see that whats committed by your people is beyond the comprehension of us civilised people outside Nooradom.
As far as the angle i am pushing, its simple for even simple people like you, hang the culprits and the their protectors whether in KP or in Punjab.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That is what PTI did. Imran Khan and Pervez Khattak have not uttered a word on what has been happening in Mardan over the past year. All their attention is focused on Punjab.

Both of them should answer for Shab Noor who was abused and murdered in August 2016. What happened to her case, what justice has been served?

It is shameful to see the deflection tactics of PTI, as if the life of the victims of Mardan were any less important than the one in Kasur.

Thats their job, they are politicians who are aiming to run for office. People want answers from them as to why this is happeneing and what they would do different. Any similar case in the UK, the government will respond as they are ultimately responsible and the oppsition will criticise and suggest what they would do to prevent such things.

You are not a politician and as a doctor the well being of children or their safety should be your primary concern. When you first read this news, were your initial thoughts to criticise PTI due to the location or shock, upset, anger etc reading about another child suffering like this?

 

[Bewal Express]

[MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION]

This thread was not created as a reaction to the Zainab's case; it was created to expose the hypocrisy and double-standards of PTI and its supporters. I can bet my bottom dollar that I had not created this thread, no PTI supporter - including you - would have talked about this.

Secondly, I am not defending the crimes of PML-N and the negligence of Kasur Police. I have a problem with Imran Khan and Pervez Khattak as well as the PTI supporters who have turned a blind eye to what is happening in their province and are focusing their attention on what is happening in Kasur.

Why is Imran Khan and Pervez Khattak quiet on this issue? Forget the protest of the people in Kasur - it has nothing to do with the PTI hierarchy. Why have they nothing to say about Shab Noor? It has been 1.5 years now. What happened to her case? What happened to the criminal?

Why is PTI's champion of Islam as well as our co-savior Qadri tight-lipped on this issue?

There is no denying that PTI politicized Zainab's case and used the poor girl for political point scoring, which is sickening.

All this talk of 'improvement' in KP police is nothing but utter garbage. They are still incompetent and corrupt. The only difference is that PTI's social media presence is very strong. However, it is full of lies.

The ground reality is completely different, and they are very good at deflecting the issue.

With all due respect, I challenge you as well as [MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]. Come to Peshawar and if you get robbed or wronged by someone, go to any police station and register an FIR. If you can get through the system without paying any bribe, I will happily acknowledge that I was wrong.

Similarly, buy a property in Peshawar and if someone takes possession of it illegally, go to the CM House Complaint Cell and lodge a complaint. If any action is taken, I will happily acknowledge that I was wrong.

Have you paid any bribes? Have you reported any crimes?
If you havent then you are once again making up stuff like you were with the health care. Are the Police independent? Os that a lie too?

 

[Bewal Express]

Thats their job, they are politicians who are aiming to run for office. People want answers from them as to why this is happeneing and what they would do different. Any similar case in the UK, the government will respond as they are ultimately responsible and the oppsition will criticise and suggest what they would do to prevent such things.

You are not a politician and as a doctor the well being of children or their safety should be your primary concern. When you first read this news, were your initial thoughts to criticise PTI due to the location or shock, upset, anger etc reading about another child suffering like this?

His first reaction was to make sure Showbiz doesnt get criticised. He claimed that he thought Rana was bad and wanted him sacked but wont criticise Showbiz who is the guy that can sack him. A guy full of lies and contradictions.

 

[Mamoon]

Thats their job, they are politicians who are aiming to run for office. People want answers from them as to why this is happeneing and what they would do different. Any similar case in the UK, the government will respond as they are ultimately responsible and the oppsition will criticise and suggest what they would do to prevent such things.

You are not a politician and as a doctor the well being of children or their safety should be your primary concern. When you first read this news, were your initial thoughts to criticise PTI due to the location or shock, upset, anger etc reading about another child suffering like this?

They are not just politicians. Imran Khan is a self-proclaimed savior who is going to bring change, and that is the manifesto that his party stands for. They are symbol for change and revolution, but they continue to prove that they are mere politicians and that there is no difference between PTI and the other parties.

The problem is that PTI supporters make tall claims about their leader and their party, but when they are put to test, they cop out by deflecting the attention to the other parties. If you are going to raise the bar, then don't expect to be judged and evaluated at the same level as the others. Don't call your leader a savior; call him a politician.

Please note that I am not referring to you. I am not well-versed with your views on Pakistani politics - I am addressing the general population of PTI supporters.

My reaction to all the cases of child victim is of nothing but disgust. Unfortunately it is a prevalent issue across the country and the strict measures need to be taken by all parties across the country.

In fact, this one of those issues on which the country needs to unite instead of scoring political points, which is why it is sickening to see PTI as well as its supporters brush the crimes in KP under the carpet, in order to deflect the attention to Punjab, as if child abuse and victimization is only a concern if it happens under the watch of PML-N.

 

[rahulrulezz]

Sometimes I wonder if it’s safe to even its raise a girl child in subcontinent. We, people of subcontinent, talk high our morals due to our religion but we are probably one of the worst when it comes to implementing morals.

 

[Mamoon]

Have you paid any bribes? Have you reported any crimes?
If you havent then you are once again making up stuff like you were with the health care. Are the Police independent? Os that a lie too?

As stated earlier, the KP police was already independent. The fact that you were not aware of this sums up your political knowledge.

Secondly, do you think [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] lying about the bribe that the Mardan Police were asking for to register for an FIR?

No one has seized my property and I haven't been illegally wronged as of yet. However, if that happens, what choice do I have if not pay bribe?

Illegal confiscation of property is common in Peshawar and KP in general. If I happen to be at the receiving end tomorrow, I know that if I lodge a complaint to the CM Complaint Cell, It will take two years for them to open my file, and absolutely nothing will happen if I don't offer them any incentive.

What will I do in this case? In order to recover my property that is worth crores, I will have no choice but to pay a few lakh rupees just to get the system up and running. However, the story doesn't end there. The case will then go to lower courts and it will drag for years.

The system is rotten to the core and if you have to survive in this system, you have no option but to play along.

It is easy for you sitting in the UK to claim that if I were to find myself in a situation like this, I should not offer any bribe because that makes me corrupt, but you have absolutely no idea of the ground realities. If you were in my or anyone else's position, you would do exactly the same.

Peshawar indeed looks like Paris looking at the PTI social media pages, but please leave your comfortable house in the UK and live in Peshawar for a few years, buy property and other assets here and show me how to get things done legally without paying any bribe.

 

[Bewal Express]

They are not just politicians. Imran Khan is a self-proclaimed savior who is going to bring change, and that is the manifesto that his party stands for. They are symbol for change and revolution, but they continue to prove that they are mere politicians and that there is no difference between PTI and the other parties.

The problem is that PTI supporters make tall claims about their leader and their party, but when they are put to test, they cop out by deflecting the attention to the other parties. If you are going to raise the bar, then don't expect to be judged and evaluated at the same level as the others. Don't call your leader a savior; call him a politician.

Please note that I am not referring to you. I am not well-versed with your views on Pakistani politics - I am addressing the general population of PTI supporters.

My reaction to all the cases of child victim is of nothing but disgust. Unfortunately it is a prevalent issue across the country and the strict measures need to be taken by all parties across the country.

In fact, this one of those issues on which the country needs to unite instead of scoring political points, which is why it is sickening to see PTI as well as its supporters brush the crimes in KP under the carpet, in order to deflect the attention to Punjab, as if child abuse and victimization is only a concern if it happens under the watch of PML-N.

You and your friend keeps claiming that PTI supporters want the crimes swept under the carpet but i owe nothing to IK or the PTI, if they are criminal or negligent highlight then because the life one child is priceless. Once again you accuse us of hypocrisy but you avoided my question on why Rana hasnt been sacked by SHOWBIZ, who is the only guy that can sack him. Maybe look closer to home when accusing others of hypocrisy.

 

[KingKhanWC]

They are not just politicians. Imran Khan is a self-proclaimed savior who is going to bring change, and that is the manifesto that his party stands for. They are symbol for change and revolution, but they continue to prove that they are mere politicians and that there is no difference between PTI and the other parties.

The problem is that PTI supporters make tall claims about their leader and their party, but when they are put to test, they cop out by deflecting the attention to the other parties. If you are going to raise the bar, then don't expect to be judged and evaluated at the same level as the others. Don't call your leader a savior; call him a politician.

Please note that I am not referring to you. I am not well-versed with your views on Pakistani politics - I am addressing the general population of PTI supporters.

My reaction to all the cases of child victim is of nothing but disgust. Unfortunately it is a prevalent issue across the country and the strict measures need to be taken by all parties across the country.

In fact, this one of those issues on which the country needs to unite instead of scoring political points, which is why it is sickening to see PTI as well as its supporters brush the crimes in KP under the carpet, in order to deflect the attention to Punjab, as if child abuse and victimization is only a concern if it happens under the watch of PML-N.

Its the worst crime of all to hurt a child imo. Sure PTI as governors of this province need to answer questions as to what they have done to address such crimes taking place. But do you honestly believe one party who is governing only one province for the first time in history can make changes to improve law and order after decades of corruption?

 

[Bewal Express]

As stated earlier, the KP police was already independent. The fact that you were not aware of this sums up your political knowledge.

Secondly, do you think [MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] lying about the bribe that the Mardan Police were asking for to register for an FIR?

No one has seized my property and I haven't been illegally wronged as of yet. However, if that happens, what choice do I have if not pay bribe?

Illegal confiscation of property is common in Peshawar and KP in general. If I happen to be at the receiving end tomorrow, I know that if I lodge a complaint to the CM Complaint Cell, It will take two years for them to open my file, and absolutely nothing will happen if I don't offer them any incentive.

What will I do in this case? In order to recover my property that is worth crores, I will have no choice but to pay a few lakh rupees just to get the system up and running. However, the story doesn't end there. The case will then go to lower courts and it will drag for years.

The system is rotten to the core and if you have to survive in this system, you have no option but to play along.

It is easy for you sitting in the UK to claim that if I were to find myself in a situation like this, I should not offer any bribe because that makes me corrupt, but you have absolutely no idea of the ground realities. If you were in my or anyone else's position, you would do exactly the same.

Peshawar indeed looks like Paris looking at the PTI social media pages, but please leave your comfortable house in the UK and live in Peshawar for a few years, buy property and other assets here and show me how to get things done legally without paying any bribe.

So apparently the Police were always independent in KP and IK nothing to do with it. Is this Independence that we Punjabis see from CM and his son and every sitting govt MNA/MPA. Is this the independence they also enjoy in Sindh? I think you confuse laws with the obeyance of law in letter and spirit.
The PTI has started out on a journey to fix problems that have taken decades to build up but if the PTI doesnt fix these problems straight away, it has failed. Great logic brother.
We know IK is honest and isnt in politics to make money but nearly every other politician is. He needs to bring other people with his vision and he may never succeed but it isnt it worth a try, what is their to lose? The worse thing that can happen to the man on the street is that he will see no change, IK will never head a govt where people are borrowing billions to buy houses in London.
The rotten system you describe was created by a nexus of Politicians, Army, bureaucrats and lower judiciary. This is commonly known as the elite and contrary to your ramblings, IK never created this but is the 1st to challenge it. He may not succeed only Allah knows but once again what is there to lose for your average person.
Lahore has had 30 years of the Punjab development budget and parts of it are still disgusting and you want Peshawar to change inside 4, where a more honest person would be looking for progress. Compare Lahore to South Punjab and you see the window dressing that has taken place.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DunyaUpdates?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DunyaUpdates</a 45 more suspects being interrogated in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mardan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mardan</a> case<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JusticeForAsma?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JusticeForAsma</a> <br>Watch <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DunyaNews?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DunyaNews</a> Live: <a href="https://t.co/WzGiFMYqsz">https://t.co/WzGiFMYqsz</a> <a href="https://t.co/zcGXa1xoN6">pic.twitter.com/zcGXa1xoN6</a></p>— Dunya News (@DunyaNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/DunyaNews/status/955311489845551104?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Abdullah719]

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Poor stuff from IK. Should have answered the question.

 

[Mamoon]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DunyaVideos?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DunyaVideos</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JusticeForAsma?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JusticeForAsma</a It is a massive challenge for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTI?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTI</a> and the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KP?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KP</a> government to sort out the case of innocent <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Asma?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Asma</a <a href="https://twitter.com/AajKamranKhan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AajKamranKhan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Mardan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Mardan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AsmaMurderCase?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AsmaMurderCase</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChildAbuse?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChildAbuse</a> <a href="https://t.co/FrrrhDCoSo">pic.twitter.com/FrrrhDCoSo</a></p>— Dunya News (@DunyaNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/DunyaNews/status/956227330430717954?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 24, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Poor stuff from IK. Should have answered the question.

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

I see that you have nothing to add here. Instead of answering the question, Kaptaan decided to deflect the attention back to Kasur.

How disgusting - playing cheap politics over the life of a little girl.

 

[www787]

[MENTION=1269]Bewal Express[/MENTION]

I see that you have nothing to add here. Instead of answering the question, Kaptaan decided to deflect the attention back to Kasur.

How disgusting - playing cheap politics over the life of a little girl.

What are you doing? Trying to win cheap imaginary points on a forum over the life of a little girl.

 

[Mamoon]

What are you doing? Trying to win cheap imaginary points on a forum over the life of a little girl.

Unfortunately, that is what PTI has been doing over the last few weeks. Pin-drop silence by the leaders as far as Asma is concerned, and all their focus is on Kasur.

Will it not be more pertinent for the PTI hierarchy to focus on what is happening in their province before meddling with others?

Why don't they lead by example, give justice to Asma and show the rest of the country how it is done?

What happened to the two other victims in Mardan over the last 12 months? What justice been provided to their families?

Why doesn't Imran and Pervez Khattak come on TV, reassuring everyone that innocent victims like Shab Noor and Asma will be provided justice?

Shab Noor was raped and murdered in August 2016. Why has her case been swept under the carpet? What happened to the criminal and what did the police do to catch him? Any evidence, reports etc.?

Why is it happening in the same place (Mardan) over and over again? Why the incompetency of the so-called 'reformed' police of Naya KP?

Would it not be more appropriate for PTI to clean its own house first before demanding justice in other provinces? PTI members have made grand speeches in the NA for Zainab, but not a word for Shab Noor or Asma.

All of these are valid questions. Do you call this political point scoring?

Perhaps it is, because it seems like these crimes only matter when it happens in Punjab. The life and safety of girls in KP is irrelevant because PML-N does not rule here.