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Afghanistan [167/8] beat Bangladesh [122] by 45 runs in the 1st T20I to take a 1-0 series lead

I won't say that. Tamim, Shakib and Mushfiqur are still pretty good. Mahmudullah is pretty decent too. One wonders what could have happened if he had bowled four overs today.

Yea but the rest are pretty average.

The same Team that had Tamim, Shakib, Mushi and Mahmudllah lost a series against India C team just a couple of months ago. And today against the Afghan boys. Not sure what these lads have done to call them Match winners in T20s?
 
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Definitely needs lot of soul searching for his Captaincy; but one blunder we made was making Walshi head coach (thus part of strategy). For BD, we MUST have an Indian or Sri Lankan coach, because of the team composition. This WIN guy has absolutely no clue of bowling combination on such wickets, something even Arthur goofed up in UAE. May be a non Asian batting coach or pace bowling coach (But no WIN/SAF/AUS for fast bowling coach - we don't have that shoulders to bowl their length yet, a PAK or ENG coach is best choice), but not head coach.

But what Shakib was doing on the field? He had the supreme authority there as captain to underbowl our rubbish pacers and continue with spinners. Coach didn't compell him. Shakib didn't bowl Nazmul a single over in a match against Srilanka in Nidhas and the replaced bowler was hammered whereas Nazmul was the most economical upto that match in the tournam. I am very disappointed with Shakib's stupid captaincy.

Yes, Walse didn't do anything so far any good in visible eyes.He couldn't polish our bowler.He is just a tour companion so far.BCB did a grave mistake to let go Hatura.
 
Afghanistan are looking ominous. Terrific performance by them. BD seemed clueless.

Would love to see how Afghanistan fare against the better sides Aus/NZ/SA/India/Pakistan etc

Definitely they will give a scare to the top sides and win a few.Not taking anything away from Afgans, but Shakib's clueless childish captaincy, braifed rubbish shot to get out by Mushfique and Liton when Bangladesh was cruising along made a huge impact on the game.I think Bangladesh will come back strongly in next match inshaAllah.
 
So even Afghanistan now is consistently beating BD?
 
I thought Bangladesh had a batting culture.

Not had, but we are trying to develop one - it's lot more tougher to groom proper batting than it looks. But, I expected you to think such after a T20 game. Batting culture from T20 obviously befitting the grooming indeed, even in thought process.
 
Not had, but we are trying to develop one - it's lot more tougher to groom proper batting than it looks. But, I expected you to think such after a T20 game. Batting culture from T20 obviously befitting the grooming indeed, even in thought process.

It's been decade. I understand trying to build a system but for Bangladesh, the results should have reflected by now.

Even if I make the cutoff line 2010, the players that were groomed at that time, should have had their peaks by now.
 
Brilliant performance by Afghanistan team. They are for sure developing fast into a good team.
 
I had predicted this series to be 2-1 to either side and looks like that is almost certainly sealed with this result. Not sure why the BCB decided on changing the format from ODI to T20 when we just had the meaningless Nidahas Trophy a few weeks ago. The next WC is in ODIs, and we have an important ODI series coming up against the West Indies without any practice in that format.

On top of that there have been virtually no A team tours home or away in the last 2-3 years. How are any of the players supposed to develop?

Factors specific to this series alone:

T20 is Afghan's best format...and they are solid side in this format.
T20 is Bangladesh's worst format
Bangladesh has a weak pace attack, and then picks the worst seam bowlers in the squad in the XI
White ball cricket requires a team to have a good wrist spiner...BD insists on SLAs, the latest Nazmul Islam Apu is more skilled at imitating cobras then he is at imitating a spin bowler
Test specialist batsman like Mosaddek gets dropped from the Test squad, yet somehow gets picked here

What could possibly go wrong?
 
But Bangladesh are consistently beating Pakistan nowadays...

Over all record across all formats, Bangladesh has won something like 6 matches out of 55-60 against Pak.

You did whitewash Pak in the ODI series in 2015. Good on your boys. Something tells me the next series will go very differently. We have a very different LOI team since then.

Hopefully it happens soon.
 
Over all record across all formats, Bangladesh has won something like 6 matches out of 55-60 against Pak.

You did whitewash Pak in the ODI series in 2015. Good on your boys. Something tells me the next series will go very differently. We have a very different LOI team since then.

Hopefully it happens soon.

Yeah the PAK ODI team has improved a lot and the Bangladesh team has regressed a bit (maybe a lot). I still think an actual series or match would be a close competitive one that could go to whichever sides plays better cricket on the day. Just like a match between Bangladesh and Afghanistan.
 
11 years back when BD announced themselves with 2 stunnings wins in 2007 world cup everyone thought they turned it around. They were put in place by India in the following series. We all gave them benefit of doubt as it was an young inexperienced unit. Majority of the guys who played in those matches are still they key players for BD. Rahim, Shakib, Mahamadulla, Tamim. If these guys leave they are toasted. But even with them they are losing now. There are some promising guys like Shabbir, Mominul. But they still depend on their 2007 magic team. Check most of the other international teams since 2007 world cup. They have moved far and away.
 
It's been decade. I understand trying to build a system but for Bangladesh, the results should have reflected by now.

Even if I make the cutoff line 2010, the players that were groomed at that time, should have had their peaks by now.

AFGs are actually a good T20 side & we are the worst in that format. But, in last 4/5 years we actually have got ranking ahead of WI & SRL in other 2 formats. Also, people are overlooking that in Nidahas trophy, in T20 we actually leap frogged SRL into Final, which I doubt how many thought of.

Building cricket culture (any sports actually, but cricket is unique - extremely skilled but a very nische game) takes long time. Besides we don’t have the early movers’ advantage now & we had to build our own system to develop cricket. It’ll take time.

Just imagine, MRF pace academy started in 1987 with DK Lillee - it took good 3 decades for IND to come to a standard on fast bowling; and since Counties have stopped hiring foreigners, you have noticed PAK’s batting.
 
11 years back when BD announced themselves with 2 stunnings wins in 2007 world cup everyone thought they turned it around. They were put in place by India in the following series. We all gave them benefit of doubt as it was an young inexperienced unit. Majority of the guys who played in those matches are still they key players for BD. Rahim, Shakib, Mahamadulla, Tamim. If these guys leave they are toasted. But even with them they are losing now. There are some promising guys like Shabbir, Mominul. But they still depend on their 2007 magic team. Check most of the other international teams since 2007 world cup. They have moved far and away.

I understand your point, and it's a concern indeed; but you have to see it from other end as well.

In 2007, BD was new in cricket without any infrastructure or system - we had two options, keep picking seasoned cricketers from Dhaka league or start from scratch. Dav joined BD in 2003 and he started to rebuild the team - due to lack of player pools, he literally picked kids from school cricket and started to groom them. To his support, BD U19 team of 2004 & 2006 had several good kids as well.

What you are saying (same players from 2007) are only because these players were picked at 16/17/18 and they had a head start. If cricket was established by then, these players would have taken at least 2-4 more years to break into national team. Take the example of Anamul & Anik - both of them were highest scorer for 2012 & 2014 U19 WC - Anik still hasn't played for BD, 10 years back, by now he would have been veteran.

Also, since they started early, it looks like Tamim & Shakib ... are there for eternity and none to replace them. But truth is, these players are still in their late 20s/early 30s - they are actually at their prime age now. Tamim is 29, Shakib & Mushi 31, Mahmud 32, even had he not messed up, Ashraful is just about 34-35 now - these players do have at least another 3 to 5 best years left in them. Most of their contemporaries have left not because there are no alternatives, rather they started too early. For a player of the caliber of Kohli, he debuted in ODI in 2008 and Test in mid 2011 - similar age, by then Tamim was 5 years veteran and a Wisden cricketer of the year (He is actually 6 months younger). It took Mike Hussey to reach 31 before his debut and he left at 38 ........

But yes, our system has to develop players to phase out aging stars - if we can't do that, cricket would be stuck to a level and won't move up.
 
BD fans when they win a game or two they completly lose touch with the rest of the world and suddenly think they gonna go up against some alien world representing Earth.

That's why the team does not perform.

On the other hand fans of Afghanistan even when they win they demand better performance and demand the player who did not perform to be changed.

Imagine the BD players when they win against bigger nations like India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka. They run around like they won the WC and doing all sorts of stupid dances like the Cobra dance. Afghanistan hardly celebrate when they won against BD.
 
But Bangladesh are consistently beating Pakistan nowadays...

Lol the nerve OMG! You've lost a t20 against Afghans and possibly facing a whitewash and you still think you could beat Pakistan with that bowling line up?

Get real son.
 
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