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I just looked at the poll on this thread and you were the only person who predicted England would win the match. You deserved this Humiliation.
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I just looked at the poll on this thread and you were the only person who predicted England would win the match. You deserved this Humiliation.
Im pretty certain you wont discard team india, even though two recent home white wash hammerings! Atleast England are consistent at home.
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if it means anythign, as an indian fan...i feel the English fan's pain....trust me -been there several times - done that, felt that -the sun will still rise...5G will eventually become 6G....we still dont have a cure for common cold...and the rest of that jazz
....alll the best for remaining two tests and for your next series whenever that might be...
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Lots of celebration from Indians all around the globe today after the 3rd test ended in a victory.
England being unable to overcome Australia is a great achievement for Indian cricket. The hard work over the past few years have really paid off.
Congratulations to the fans. I hope the celebrations last long into the night.
England being unable to overcome Australia is a great achievement for Indian cricket. The hard work over the past few years have really paid off.
Congratulations to the fans. I hope the celebrations last long into the night.
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Cummins eyes rest as Stokes urges England to fight on
Australia secured a dominant series win over England as they secured an unassailable lead of 3-0 with an impressive showing in Adelaide as they won by 82 runs powered by Alex Carey and Travis Head’s brilliance. The win also gave them a significant advantage in the ICC World Test Championship standings.
However, captain Pat Cummins has prompted a shift from results to resilience as the hosts assess potential options for the Boxing Day Test in Melbourne.
“As for the rest of the series, we’ll see,” the Australia Test skipper told the reporters with respect to his availability for the remainder of the series.
“We had a pretty aggressive build-up knowing that there’s an Ashes [series] there to be won, and we thought that was worth it.
“I doubt I’ll be playing Melbourne, and then we’ll have a chat about Sydney,” said Cummins.
This was the pacer’s first outing since the series against West Indies in July.
After a back injury nearly derailed his return during the Ashes, the pacer looked at ease on his international return as he picked three wickets in each innings with figures of 3/69 and 3/48.
With Nathan Lyon seemingly picking up a hamstring injury and Cummins focusing on his fitness, the home side could be seeing up to three changes for the next Test in Melbourne as star batter, Steve Smith still recovers from the illness that kept him out of the Adelaide Test.
Speaking on his performance in the game, Cummins said, “First of all, I felt great, Just like a normal Test match. Bowling mid-30 overs, if anything, because I came into this Test match quite fresh, I feel my legs are still decent.”
Cummins pushed his side to press on for a 5-0 series whitewash.
“We’ll save this for a few days when we get closer to Boxing Day - people start thinking it’ll be pretty cool to push on to 4-0 and then Sydney do it 5-0.”
While England showed grit and resilience on the final day, it looked as if they had abandoned their characteristic aggressive approach in favour of a more tempered outlook.
England captain Ben Stokes stated that the side's batting tactics were merely reflective of how the side wanted to play their cricket.
“The big learning from individuals in this game, and that’s an evolution for some guys in this team, you never want to take away their ability to go out score their runs in the way that they think is best going to suit them,”
“Marrying the skills and the ability they have with the mentality it takes to be an international sportsman - put those two together and I know we’ve got a very exciting Test team, who can be even more successful than we have been in the last four years,” he added.
He praised his side’s resolve despite the series loss but assured that their competitive edge remained intact.
“Obviously that dream that we came here with is now over, which is incredibly disappointing,”
“But we aren’t going to stop.”
England will now be looking to avoid a series whitewash as they head into the Boxing Day Test in Melbourne, beginning on December 26.
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Australia secured a dominant series win over England as they secured an unassailable lead of 3-0 with an impressive showing in Adelaide as they won by 82 runs powered by Alex Carey and Travis Head’s brilliance. The win also gave them a significant advantage in the ICC World Test Championship standings.
However, captain Pat Cummins has prompted a shift from results to resilience as the hosts assess potential options for the Boxing Day Test in Melbourne.
“As for the rest of the series, we’ll see,” the Australia Test skipper told the reporters with respect to his availability for the remainder of the series.
“We had a pretty aggressive build-up knowing that there’s an Ashes [series] there to be won, and we thought that was worth it.
“I doubt I’ll be playing Melbourne, and then we’ll have a chat about Sydney,” said Cummins.
This was the pacer’s first outing since the series against West Indies in July.
After a back injury nearly derailed his return during the Ashes, the pacer looked at ease on his international return as he picked three wickets in each innings with figures of 3/69 and 3/48.
With Nathan Lyon seemingly picking up a hamstring injury and Cummins focusing on his fitness, the home side could be seeing up to three changes for the next Test in Melbourne as star batter, Steve Smith still recovers from the illness that kept him out of the Adelaide Test.
Speaking on his performance in the game, Cummins said, “First of all, I felt great, Just like a normal Test match. Bowling mid-30 overs, if anything, because I came into this Test match quite fresh, I feel my legs are still decent.”
Cummins pushed his side to press on for a 5-0 series whitewash.
“We’ll save this for a few days when we get closer to Boxing Day - people start thinking it’ll be pretty cool to push on to 4-0 and then Sydney do it 5-0.”
While England showed grit and resilience on the final day, it looked as if they had abandoned their characteristic aggressive approach in favour of a more tempered outlook.
England captain Ben Stokes stated that the side's batting tactics were merely reflective of how the side wanted to play their cricket.
“The big learning from individuals in this game, and that’s an evolution for some guys in this team, you never want to take away their ability to go out score their runs in the way that they think is best going to suit them,”
“Marrying the skills and the ability they have with the mentality it takes to be an international sportsman - put those two together and I know we’ve got a very exciting Test team, who can be even more successful than we have been in the last four years,” he added.
He praised his side’s resolve despite the series loss but assured that their competitive edge remained intact.
“Obviously that dream that we came here with is now over, which is incredibly disappointing,”
“But we aren’t going to stop.”
England will now be looking to avoid a series whitewash as they head into the Boxing Day Test in Melbourne, beginning on December 26.
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Im Glad he's admitted the Preparations leading up to the series were Pathetic.
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The Ashes: England coach Brendon McCullum admits to error on tourists' preparation after Australia seal victory
Brendon McCullum has accepted responsibility for not getting England's Ashes preparation right after his side lost the third Test and succumbed to a series defeat to Australia in just 11 days of cricket..
Australia completed an 82-run victory over England in Adelaide on Sunday - following eight-wicket wins in Perth and Brisbane - to retain the Ashes and equal the shortest period in which the historic contest has been decided in the last 100 years.
England's tour schedule, which included just one warm-up fixture against their own England Lions development squad, raised concerns before the series and came under more scrutiny when they lost the first Test in Perth inside two days.
McCullum then enraged a portion of English fans and media by saying his side had "overprepared" for the second Test by holding too many training sessions, after they were defeated in Brisbane.
Speaking to TNT Sports after the third Test, McCullum brought up the topic of preparation as he reflected on where England had gone wrong.
"I know that'll be something that's questioned," he said. "And when you've lost 3-0, you've got to put your hand up and say, 'maybe I didn't get that preparation right'.
"And that's not just leading into the first game, but it's, 'could we have done more leading into game one and could we have done less leading into game two?'
"It's trying to work out those things, and ultimately, you're responsible for that. You put your hand up and say 'I didn't get that right' because we've lost 3-0.
Michael Atherton and Nasser Hussain reflect on day five at The Ashes, where England saw their end as Australia won by 82 runs.
'High expectations constrained us'
The series began with most expecting a tight contest between two sides that drew 2-2 in England in 2023, but it quickly turned one sided.
Very few of the players who have starred under McCullum and captain Ben Stokes have been able to deliver anything close to their best across the opening three games.
McCullum explained that he believed England's determination to do well and high expectations actually ultimately "constrained" their ability to succeed.
Asked whether his side had been caught out by the intensity and scrutiny of an Ashes series in Australia, he replied: "No, I don't think it's caught us by surprise.
"I think we anticipated it, but I think there's ways that you can deal with it, and there's ways where you can try and block it out, or there's ways where you just lean into it, accept it, and just see it as a privilege that you're in a position to be able to try and entertain and to be able to capture eyeballs and to do people proud.
"And I think we were so determined to do that. We had such high expectations and hopes for this series that we just almost, it just constrained us a little bit. So, we weren't able to deal with it."
Some of England's best cricket came in the latter stages of the third Test, with wicketkeeper Jamie Smith impressing as he struck a counter-attacking 60 on the final day to briefly raise hopes of a record run chase.
McCullum added: "I do feel like the last day and a half, two days, it's probably been our best cricket, and that's because we've just played.
"I feel like the previous sort of nine days, we were so caught up and so driven to achieve something and succeed that we've almost got in our own way, and we've stymied our talent and our skill and our ability.
"It's only been the last two days we've kind of let go and just played that we've actually competed and probably had our best two days of the tour, so there's a lesson in that.
"There's a lesson not just for the players. There's a lesson for the coach and the coaching staff as well that how do you free guys up when the pressure is at its highest rather than having to wait until these last two days?"
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The Ashes: England coach Brendon McCullum admits to error on tourists' preparation after Australia seal victory
Brendon McCullum has accepted responsibility for not getting England's Ashes preparation right after his side lost the third Test and succumbed to a series defeat to Australia in just 11 days of cricket..
Australia completed an 82-run victory over England in Adelaide on Sunday - following eight-wicket wins in Perth and Brisbane - to retain the Ashes and equal the shortest period in which the historic contest has been decided in the last 100 years.
England's tour schedule, which included just one warm-up fixture against their own England Lions development squad, raised concerns before the series and came under more scrutiny when they lost the first Test in Perth inside two days.
McCullum then enraged a portion of English fans and media by saying his side had "overprepared" for the second Test by holding too many training sessions, after they were defeated in Brisbane.
Speaking to TNT Sports after the third Test, McCullum brought up the topic of preparation as he reflected on where England had gone wrong.
"I know that'll be something that's questioned," he said. "And when you've lost 3-0, you've got to put your hand up and say, 'maybe I didn't get that preparation right'.
"And that's not just leading into the first game, but it's, 'could we have done more leading into game one and could we have done less leading into game two?'
"It's trying to work out those things, and ultimately, you're responsible for that. You put your hand up and say 'I didn't get that right' because we've lost 3-0.
Michael Atherton and Nasser Hussain reflect on day five at The Ashes, where England saw their end as Australia won by 82 runs.
'High expectations constrained us'
The series began with most expecting a tight contest between two sides that drew 2-2 in England in 2023, but it quickly turned one sided.
Very few of the players who have starred under McCullum and captain Ben Stokes have been able to deliver anything close to their best across the opening three games.
McCullum explained that he believed England's determination to do well and high expectations actually ultimately "constrained" their ability to succeed.
Asked whether his side had been caught out by the intensity and scrutiny of an Ashes series in Australia, he replied: "No, I don't think it's caught us by surprise.
"I think we anticipated it, but I think there's ways that you can deal with it, and there's ways where you can try and block it out, or there's ways where you just lean into it, accept it, and just see it as a privilege that you're in a position to be able to try and entertain and to be able to capture eyeballs and to do people proud.
"And I think we were so determined to do that. We had such high expectations and hopes for this series that we just almost, it just constrained us a little bit. So, we weren't able to deal with it."
Some of England's best cricket came in the latter stages of the third Test, with wicketkeeper Jamie Smith impressing as he struck a counter-attacking 60 on the final day to briefly raise hopes of a record run chase.
McCullum added: "I do feel like the last day and a half, two days, it's probably been our best cricket, and that's because we've just played.
"I feel like the previous sort of nine days, we were so caught up and so driven to achieve something and succeed that we've almost got in our own way, and we've stymied our talent and our skill and our ability.
"It's only been the last two days we've kind of let go and just played that we've actually competed and probably had our best two days of the tour, so there's a lesson in that.
"There's a lesson not just for the players. There's a lesson for the coach and the coaching staff as well that how do you free guys up when the pressure is at its highest rather than having to wait until these last two days?"
The Ashes: England coach Brendon McCullum admits to error on tourists' preparation after Australia seal victory
Englands preparations for the Ashes have come under major scrutiny during their dismal showing in Australia; England played just one-warm up against their own development side before the first Test; head coach Brendon McCullum has admitted to making an error
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It shouldn't be as much disappointing to lose the Ashes as much as it should be for Stokes, Baz and Co. that they failed to play BazzBall. Australia played at a higher pace than England in this series.
This should be the end of BazzBall.
This should be the end of BazzBall.
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Should have added "Much like they outplayed my team in 2015 final"
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Brook has to be series of mujrim. Dropped a couple of crucial catches. Also played reckless shots in crunch situations. But they try to say those are normal shots for him.
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If these are normal shots for him, then he's foolish.
He is almost 27 and the vice-captain -- his batting has demonstrated immaturity and a total lack of responsibility.
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So Ronball annihilates Bazball
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England and Rob Key have a lot of soul searching to do.
At Baz's behest, they have done away with Mo Bobat who was brilliant at talent ID and pathways programmes, they have removed and rotated specialist coaches and filled their positions with non interventionist coaches like Trescothick, removed performance analysts - Nathan Leamon and Freddie Wilde because players should be more "instinctive" and less data driven in their approach, apparently.
Basically , it's an echo chamber and Baz/Stokes are doing and getting away with whatever they want.
At Baz's behest, they have done away with Mo Bobat who was brilliant at talent ID and pathways programmes, they have removed and rotated specialist coaches and filled their positions with non interventionist coaches like Trescothick, removed performance analysts - Nathan Leamon and Freddie Wilde because players should be more "instinctive" and less data driven in their approach, apparently.
Basically , it's an echo chamber and Baz/Stokes are doing and getting away with whatever they want.
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I think this Australian team may lose in England.
Aussie batting has declined a lot.
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Yep. Whilst they are competitive in England, they are yet to beat England in England since 2001. That is along Time.
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They wont lose the series. Could lose 1 or might draw
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Lots of talk about their inclusion of Bashir in the media here.
I know it didn't really effect the series but the inclusion of Bashir who averages 80 in county cricket, and their dismissive talk of "English County Bowlers" is really under the scanner now.
I dont think they will survive this tour, because it will require a hard reset from England, and you can't expect the guys who tried to trailblaze a new path, to have the tools to plot the reset too.
I liked Key's positivity and his way of viewing the game. I think we could use this type of attitude in Pakistan for a bit. but in England the litmus test is the Ashes and if your style of cricket loses it so quickly then you have to go.
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England have tried everything - attritional cricket under Silverwood and now ultra aggresive cricket under McCullum.
Neither have worked because the base skill level of domestic cricketers is not good enough.
Somebody has to lay the Smackdown and decide that county cricket is a vestige of an earlier era and is completely obsolete now.
In other countries, domestic cricket is used to develop international cricketers but county exists to serve itself.
This should not be allowed to continue or else in 4 years' time, they'll be going back to the drawing board yet again and asking the same questions
Baz and Stokes are right in that county guys are not international standard but their solution has failed as well.
Only a restructuring of domestic cricket with fewer teams and conditions that encourage genuine fast medium bowlers and spinners instead of the Sam Cook's and Darren Stevens' of the world will bring any meaningful change.
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I saw some stuff from Strauss on social media.
He spoke about moving on from defending a system that was stuck in the 80s and we need more competitive cricket.
I think you are absolutely spot on that a restructuring of domestic cricket will happen, given how much England are enthralled by the Aussie system, I am surpised that they haven't tried to condense the number of teams so far.
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I think England have to return to traditional Test cricket. Bazball is not practical.
Bazball only works on flat pitches. Most pitches in the world are not flat.
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This is spot on.
County cricket is not felt, by the current regime, to be a breeding ground for future Test players — eg both Liam Dawson and Sam Cook perform at county level but were found wanting at Test level.
This has been a recurring issue — when Duncan Fletcher took over as coach he, along with Hussain and then Vaughan, made a conscious effort to pick on character and potential — both Trescothick and Vaughan had average county records.
So, not a new issue but it won’t change.
The governance structures in place require a majority of the first class counties to agree to a change in the structure of the county championship and as they say, turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.
The smaller counties will not vote for a reduction in numbers (even though they are totally dependent on ECB handouts).
Strauss tried this but his proposal was voted down.
They only agree to The Hundred being in the summer because they were given large financial incentives.
There will be a review, maybe Key will go.
McCullum is protected (because of his white ball role and the forthcoming T20 WC) and Stokes is secure as there is no obvious alternative.
So, another pointless review. They’ll have a competitive series against NZ next summer and then smash Pakistan.
The English fans and media will hail them as world beaters and they’ll get hammered by Australia again in four years.
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The issue in England lies with the lack of Strength in Grass roots. One time when Test standard Professionals would join clubs for the summer who would pass on invaluable input to club cricketers.
Unfortunately the more the shorter white ball format evolved, the standard of club Professionals has rapidly declined to a standard of a semi Club professional which in effect has rapidly declined the standard levels in grassroots
Unfortunately the more the shorter white ball format evolved, the standard of club Professionals has rapidly declined to a standard of a semi Club professional which in effect has rapidly declined the standard levels in grassroots
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Spot on. Also Centrally contracted cricketers need to play red ball cricket. To much white ball cricket is the reason for the decline of test Cricketers.
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Bashir would struggle to get into divisional leagues of team. He was way too raw to be included. Look what South Africa did. Brought a 39 year old Harmer with 1000 wickets behind him and reaped rewards. They should have persisted with Liam Dawson or someone who has played a lot of matches at domestic level.
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Spin played no part in the opening two tests, yet England folded like a pack of cards when the going got tough in both tests where seam played a hugh part.
The cat is finally out of the bag. With the England management admitting, preparations leading up to the series were not taken seriously enough.
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