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Men's Vodafone Test v Afghanistan
November 27 – December 1: Blundstone Arena
Nick Hockley, Cricket Australia’s Interim CEO "We are also incredibly excited to welcome Afghanistan to our shores for a historic first Test match against Australia. The story of the Afghanistan cricket team is one of the most uplifting in international sport, and their record of three wins from their first six Tests prove they truly belong at this level"
The Afghanistan Cricket Board has stripped Asghar Afghan of the national team captaincy, blaming him for losing the test match against Zimbabwe in March at Abu Dhabi.
The ACB said in a statement on Monday that “some of Afghan’s decisions as captain of the team resulted in Afghanistan’s loss to Zimbabwe in the first test of the series.”
The ACB didn’t highlight any particular decision made by Afghan during the match but said the decision to remove him from the captaincy was taken on the basis of an “investigation conducted by ACB’s investigative committee.”
Zimbabwe thumped Afghanistan by 10 wickets inside two days in the first Test before Afghanistan leveled the series by winning the second Test by six wickets.
Left-handed batsman Hashmatullah Shahidi was appointed as new test and ODI captain while Rahmat Shah will be Shahid’s deputy in both formats.
Top-ranked Twenty20 leg-spinner Rashid Khan was named vice-captain for T20s while the ACB said it will soon announce a captain for the format.
However, Sohail Shaheen, a spokesman for the Afghan Taliban in Doha, told Urdu News that the Taliban had brought cricket to Afghanistan and that if they came to power, cricket would continue in Afghanistan and the current team would remain intact.
The Taliban don't seem anti-sport.
Not sure if they will continue to extract favours from the BCCI though, or whether the BCCI will even tolerate them.
I can't imagine Australia playing vs a team representing a country led by the Taliban. Not sure about England and NZ either.
Strange that these countries never think about these things when playing against Israel or US and also other countries.
I was waiting for the "yeah but what about these other guys" argument.
All countries have moral blind spots, reprehensible behaviour etc. I completely agree.
But if you want to equate two (completely imperfect) democracies with a govt that is currently taking over Afghanistan then ok, great point. Doesn't change the fact the Aus govt is not likely to draw the same equation.
Can cricket thrive under the Taliban? Will they allow overseas tours?
That will not make it right.
Being a democracy doesn't allow you to massacre people around the world, make wars and just say sorry after, destroy countries or occupy the land of other people.
With Taliban taking over Afghanistan following the withdrawal of American troops from the country, there are speculations over whether their national cricket team will be able to take part in the international tournaments, especially the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup set to be played in October this year.
However, Afghanistan cricket team’s media manager Hikmat Hassan has assured that they will be part of the T20 World Cup with the preparations to go ahead as planned despite what’s happening in the country
“Yes, we will play in the T20 World Cup," Hassan told ANI. “The preparations are on and the available players will be back to training in Kabul in the next few days."
He also added that they are currently searching for possible venue for a tri-series involving Afghanistan, Australia and Sri Lanka. “We are looking for a venue for the tri-series involving Australia and West Indies and that will be the best preparation for the showpiece event. We are speaking to some countries like Sri Lanka and also I think Malaysia. Let’s see how that pans out," he said.
He continued, “We are already set to play Pakistan in Hambantota and that series is also on. Also, we are planning to go ahead with the domestic T20 tournament which shall boost preparations for the players ahead of the T20 World Cup."
Two of Afghanistan’s biggest stars Rashid Khan and Mohammed Nabi are currently in the UK where they are playing in The Hundred. Hassan said players will be given any assistance they need.
“We are always there to help our players and their families. We will do whatever is possible for them. Things are not affected much in Kabul, we are already back in the office, so there is nothing to worry about," he said.
There’s also question-mark over whether the duo will take part in the second phase of IPL set to start in mid-September. BCCI is keeping an eye on the situation but is confident that Rashid and Nabi, who represent Sunrisers Hyderabad, will be available.
https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...y-in-icc-mens-t20-world-cup-2021-4091660.html
I doubt the players who are abroad will go back to train in Kabul
They most likely will claim political asylum in other countries
I doubt the players who are abroad will go back to train in Kabul
They most likely will claim political asylum in other countries
Think a few countries may boycott playing Afghanistan now. BCCI may also stop providing favors to ACB.
Difficult to see Aus, NZ, Eng and even India playing against them.
Some of their players may also look towards settling somewhere else. Could well be the end of the international careers of some of their big names.
Rashid is already based in UAE.
Cricket needed Afghanistan - their fans and their cricketers. I obviously sympathize for tbe Afghanistan people but this could be a big loss for the entire cricket fraternity too.
Fans is something cricket lacks (atleast outside India-Pak-BD and these Afghanistan fans are extremely enthusiastic.
And who can deny their incredible strides in international cricket
If cricket is truly disrupted for Afghanistan, I suspect majority of their overseas may switch alliance to India and gain citizenship to potentially play for India in future. It would be very surprising if these high profile players return to train in Afghanistan.
It will be extremely depressing if the ACB is barred from planning international cricket or if the Taliban ban international cricket all together.
Afghanistan has easily been the most exciting and entertaining associate team of the last 20 years with a whole bunch of quality players lighting up domestic tournaments and international series.
One can only hope that nothing to drastic happens to the state of Afghan cricket however I really do doubt that we are going to hear any positive news
If that happens then the ACB can operate a cricket team in exile, based in either Dubai or Islamabad and they can play their home games in the UAE. If the Taliban try to ban cricket then the domestic structure can move to Pakistan. Pakistan can develop a domestic cricket tournament for Afghan cities but it can be played in Pakistan with only Afghan players that way the game doesn't die. Afghanistan only had one or two venues so that can be substituted with any stadium in Pakistan
Why would Pakistan give their resources to ACB when they have been nothing but bitter and scornful towards us in the past. Plus it won't be easy to get Pakistani visa let alone shifting the whole domestic circuit in Pakistan.
If that happens then the ACB can operate a cricket team in exile, based in either Dubai or Islamabad and they can play their home games in the UAE. If the Taliban try to ban cricket then the domestic structure can move to Pakistan. Pakistan can develop a domestic cricket tournament for Afghan cities but it can be played in Pakistan with only Afghan players that way the game doesn't die. Afghanistan only had one or two venues so that can be substituted with any stadium in Pakistan
Which is a fantastic argument about nothing I said- but I can see you were itching to make it.
Back on topic- the ICC has suspended Zimbabwe in the past for govt interference & irregularities. Be interesting how the deal with a Taliban.
As I said I'd be amazed if Oz & Eng & NZ will play Afghanistan, unless the Afghan Cricket Baord asserts it's independence & rejects Taliban (unlikely, trapped between a rock & a hard place). I'd imagine the australian players association would raise objections to the Taliban treatment of women, making it difficult to get support for a tour given that association represents our women cricketers too and many male players will take a stand with them.
We'll see how it unfolds.
I reckon your post revolves a bit too much around conjecture and hypotheticals. Like you said right at the end, we have to reserve judgements until we see how the situation unfolds in AFG.
Also, I don't think people realize how much of Afghanistan (legitimately or not) was already run/controlled by Taliban informally. I don't think cricketing logistics/affairs will undergo any drastic transformation, despite the recent topple over of Ghani and co. I'd also be surprised if Taliban drastically amend the existing laws/rules surrounding women and minorities, because judging by some of the statements they've given, they don't seem keen to go down the path (they've conceded that some of their past policies/legislations were un-Islamic).
Hmm, reports from the thousands of people fleeing first into Kabul for safety, now desperately trying to get out suggest other treatment of women, more in line with past practices (rape, forced marriage, severe corporal punishments/torture) is happening. Whether to believe them, or Taliban spokesmen about how reformed they are now, or neither....
My post wasn't really at all about how much the cricket situation on the ground may change- they'd be mad to cut off their one source of good PR & + lucrative income stream/ICC money. My post was about how govts & players groups of Oz, NZ, England will view the Taliban & will not be willing to be seen to do anything to support them. Which would include playing against anyone under the Taliban banner which it seems the national team would have to.
That will not make it right.
Being a democracy doesn't allow you to massacre people around the world, make wars and just say sorry after, destroy countries or occupy the land of other people.
Afghanistan is playing some good cricket and hopefully for them they will be able to continue to play major trophies and some bilaterals.
Care to elaborate what you mean by the stuff underlined?
The press over here is not receiving the Taliban's new "makeover" very well, when it is arriving alongside images of women shot dead in Kabul today for not wearing a burqa. CA or the ECB/NZC could find male & female players who have an issue (they may not, but I do find it very a likely scenario), they may find the public questioning any matches & sponsors taking note.
Oz wouldn't play sport vs South Africa during apartheid- the public protests when they tried to play the Springboks rugby influenced that & it became govt policy. The sporting embargo by nations is acknowledged as playing a role in undermining apartheid (small role, but noticed). There's the prospect of something similar.
Are you referring to the recent picture that has been making the rounds and was actually debunked to be a picture of a protester from Syria half a decade ago? Mate, don't believe everything Fox News (they started the spread of the picture) sells.
Well, you aren't wrong, but there's more context to this. It was mainly India, Pakistan and West Indies that were adamant behind the initial International isolation of South African Cricket, considering the ridiculous laws barring non-white players entry into the team. It was again India, Pakistan and Windies that were against a readmission. While, on the other hand, you had teams like ENG, AUS organizing rebel tours throughout the 80s for very thinly-veiled money-grubbing intentions.
However, I do understand what you mean by isolation might lead the host into rethinking their options. I personally don't think that will happen though. South Africa is a particularly uncommon case where a minority ruled over the majority with impunity. There were massive calls from within the country (i.e. SA) for other countries to boycott their own cricket team and CSA. I don't think that translates to the current situation in Afghanistan.
Although, as I've said before, it really isn't my concern what CA, ECB, NZC, etc. do. I was just questioning your hypotheticals of how you think Afghanistan will change, because it seemed to follow on from a few assumptions that aren't ground realities (claims of women harassment being ubiquitous, etc. being spread by sources like news.com.au).
Not following the logic by where you want to exclude Australia from credit for participating in the sporting blockade of apartheid but then don't mention the WI & Sri Lanka for organising & taking part in rebel tours...
Anyway we'll see how PC the Taliban have become. Hopefully they've become nice.
I know what you mean, but if the NATO countries are genuinely concerned with Taliban strengthening their grip on Afghanistan, then they won't go down that route. Isolating Afghanistan because of the Taliban takeover, and making it out to be a pariah/rogue state, will further bolster Taliban and only do the exact opposite of what AUS, ENG, etc. would have wanted. They can try that approach, but it just won't work (e.g. NK, Iran, etc.). It's fine to strive for a idealistic world, but you also have to make nuanced decisions based on the ground realities.
Having said that, I'm not really concerned with what ENG etc. do, it's much more pertinent to see what the neighbours do in their assistance. It's their responsibility to help Afghanistan during these times.
The bold parts... Whether it is the right way to influence the Taliban/Aghan or not, there is a very big risk that players associations in the countries listed will take issue with playing Afghan teams if those teams are representing the Taliban govt. They will not want to be giving financial or de facto moral support to them by playing them.
The press over here is not receiving the Taliban's new "makeover" very well, when it is arriving alongside images of women shot dead in Kabul today for not wearing a burqa. CA or the ECB/NZC could find male & female players who have an issue (they may not, but I do find it very a likely scenario), they may find the public questioning any matches & sponsors taking note.
Oz wouldn't play sport vs South Africa during apartheid- the public protests when they tried to play the Springboks rugby influenced that & it became govt policy. The sporting embargo by nations is acknowledged as playing a role in undermining apartheid (small role, but noticed). There's the prospect of something similar.
I don't know if it will play out like that- many people (myself included) LOVE the story of the Afghan cricket team and the style in which they play the game. Rashid is a popular BBL star. So maybe people will just support the players... but if the players are put in the position of having to say they represent the Taliban as the govt of Afganistan... that's going to be a very, very hard sell to CA & sponsors increasingly aware of & courting family & female involvement in the game (WBBL TV coverage being pushed etc).
Playing them in series WILL bring in money to the Taliban. Playing them in series DOES lend an air of normality & legitimacy & tacit approval that yes, we can play fun games with such govts representatives.
Whether it works politically- who knows. NK is a backwards nightmare by the dictators mad choices, sucking up & mollycoddling them got idiots like Trump nowhere. And doing anything to be seen to lend legitimacy to a regime shooting women in the street for wearing the wrong clothing is not going to fly in Oz or NZ. There's not a nuance to put on that to make it palatable for those countries- maybe for Pakistan who have to live as neighbours, but not here.
Completely agree it's up to Afghans to run their country as they wish & trust they will do their best. But it doesn't mean we need to play sports with the Taliban.
If Australia and New Zealand are not going to play Afghanistan for moralistic reasons then that's going start a whole new precedent and increasing expections for these so called champions of freedom and democracy. Will Australia/NZ continue to tour the UAE a country that also has repressive laws and funds proxy wars in multiple muslim countries as well normalizing relations with Israel? Wil Aus/NZ cut ties with Israel, an apartheid state established as a settler-colony? Will Aus/NZ stop touring India out of solidarity with the people of Kashmir who have lost 100,000+ civilians in the occupation and 10,000+ women and girls have been raped and they lost their autonomy as a state 2 years back in 2019 around the same time Hong Kong lost theres? Or Kashmir isn't as important as Hong Kong for political reasons? Also will Aus/NZ cut ties with Ethiopia, Eritrea, the Central Asian Stans and countless other authoritarian countries that are just as repressive and commit just as many crimes against women and minorities? Seems like selective outrage. Now most countries are guilty of hypocrisy but the Anglo world order claims to be champions of human rights so the world expects more from y'all.