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The Taliban say they don’t want to monopolise power, but they insist there won’t be peace in Afghanistan until there is a new negotiated government in Kabul and President Ashraf Ghani is removed.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Taliban spokesman, Suhail Shaheen, who is also a member of the group’s negotiating team, laid out the insurgents’ stance on what should come next in a country on the precipice.

The Taliban have swiftly captured territory in recent weeks, seized strategic border crossings and are threatening a number of provincial capitals, as the last US and NATO soldiers leave Afghanistan.

This week, the top US military officer, Gen. Mark Milley, told a Pentagon press conference that the Taliban have “strategic momentum,” and he did not rule out a complete Taliban takeover. But he said it is not inevitable. “I don’t think the end game is yet written,” he said.

Memories of the Taliban’s last time in power some 20 years ago have stoked fears of their return among many. Afghans who can afford it are applying by the thousands for visas to leave Afghanistan, fearing a violent descent into chaos. The US-NATO withdrawal is more than 95 per cent complete and due to be finished by Aug 31.

Shaheen said the Taliban will lay down their weapons when a negotiated government acceptable to all sides in the conflict is installed in Kabul and Ghani’s government is gone.

“I want to make it clear that we do not believe in the monopoly of power because any governments who (sought) to monopolise power in Afghanistan in the past, were not successful governments,” said Shaheen, apparently including the Taliban’s own five-year rule in that assessment. “So we do not want to repeat that same formula.”

But he was also uncompromising on the continued rule of Ghani, calling him a “war monger” and accusing him of using his Tuesday speech on the occasion of Eidul Azha to promise an offensive against the Taliban.

Shaheen dismissed Ghani’s right to govern, resurrecting allegations of widespread fraud that surrounded Ghani’s 2019 election win. After that vote, both Ghani and his rival Abdullah Abdullah declared themselves president. After a compromise deal, Abdullah is now the second top official in the government and heads the reconciliation council.

Ghani has often said he will remain in office until new elections can determine the next government.

His critics — including ones outside the Taliban — accuse him of seeking only to keep power, causing splits among government supporters.

Last weekend, Abdullah headed a high-level delegation to the Qatari capital Doha for talks with Taliban leaders. It ended with promises of more talks, as well as greater attention to the protection of civilians and infrastructure.

Shaheen called the talks a good beginning. But he said the government’s repeated demands for a ceasefire while Ghani stayed in power were tantamount to demanding a Taliban surrender. “They don’t want reconciliation, but they want surrendering,” he said.

Before any ceasefire, there must be an agreement on a new government “acceptable to us and to other Afghans,” he said. Then “there will be no war.”

"Under this new government, women will be allowed to work, go to school, and participate in politics, but will have to wear the hijab, or headscarf", says the Taliban spokesman

He said women won’t be required to have a male relative with them to leave their home, and that Taliban commanders in newly occupied districts have orders that universities, schools and markets operate as before, including with the participation of women and girls.

However, there have been repeated reports from captured districts of Taliban imposing harsh restrictions on women, even setting fire to schools. One gruesome video that emerged appeared to show Taliban killing captured commandos in northern Afghanistan.

Shaheen said some Taliban commanders had ignored the leadership’s orders against repressive and drastic behavior and that several have been put before a Taliban military tribunal and punished, though he did provide specifics. He contended the video was fake, a splicing of separate footage.

Shaheen said there are no plans to make a military push on Kabul and that the Taliban have so far “restrained” themselves from taking provincial capitals. But he warned they could, given the weapons and equipment they have acquired in newly captured districts. He contended that the majority of the Taliban’s battlefield successes came through negotiations, not fighting.

“Those districts which have fallen to us and the military forces who have joined us ... were through mediation of the people, through talks,” he said. “They (did not fall) through fighting ... it would have been very hard for us to take 194 districts in just eight weeks.”

"The Taliban control about half of Afghanistan’s 419 district centers, and while they have yet to capture any of the 34 provincial capitals, they are pressuring about half of them," Milley said.

In recent days, the US has carried out airstrikes in support of beleaguered Afghan government troops in the southern city of Kandahar, around which the Taliban have been amassing, Pentagon press secretary John Kirby said on Thursday.

The rapid fall of districts and the seemingly disheartened response by Afghan government forces have prompted US-allied warlords to resurrect militias with a violent history. For many Afghans weary of more than four decades of war, that raises fears of a repeat of the brutal civil war in the early 1990s in which those same warlords battled for power.

“You know, no one no one wants a civil war, including me,” said Shaheen. He also repeated Taliban promises aimed at reassuring Afghans who fear the group.

Washington has promised to relocate thousands of US military interpreters. Shaheen said they had nothing to fear from the Taliban and denied threatening them. But, he added, if some want to take asylum in the West because Afghanistan’s economy is so poor, “that is up to them.”

He also denied that the Taliban have threatened journalists and Afghanistan’s nascent civil society, which has been targeted by dozens of killings over the past year.

The Islamic State group has taken responsibility for some, but the Afghan government has blamed the Taliban for most of the killings while the Taliban in turn accuse the Afghan government of carrying out the killings to defame them. Rarely has the government made arrests into the killings or revealed the findings of its investigations.

Shaheen said journalists, including those working for Western media outlets, have nothing to fear from a government that includes the Taliban. “We have not issued letters to journalists (threatening them), especially to those who are working for foreign media outlets. They can continue their work even in the future,” he said.

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"Under this new government, women will be allowed to work, go to school, and participate in politics, but will have to wear the hijab, or headscarf", says the Taliban spokesman

He said women won’t be required to have a male relative with them to leave their home, and that Taliban commanders in newly occupied districts have orders that universities, schools and markets operate as before, including with the participation of women and girls.

They must do this. Its not the same regime as before.

Everyone knows this is a puppet government installed by the occupiers. But they can stay in power if they make a good deal. However imo Ghani wants full power and foolishly believes he can hold on it.

Imo the current government should all seek asylum in the 40 countries who initially invaded. Perhaps the Indians can house a few too.
 
I think sooner or later he’ll be gone. I think india should provide him safe haven along with 1000s of his cronies, since Indians love afghans so much.
 
Yeah, I saw a recent video of his where he was telling Afghans that NATO left because of he "made them leave" even though he was begging for them to stay in his recent meetings :))
 
The Taliban on Monday warned Afghanistan President Ashraf Ghani that his time had "run out" and that his "declarations of war, accusations and lies could not prolong".

The statement came from Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid in a tweet. Mujahid also dismissed Ghani's speech as "nonsense" and "an attempt to control his fears and dire situation".

"Nation has decided to pursue and bring national traitors to justice," Mujahid added.

Earlier in the day, President Ghani blamed Afghanistan's fast-deteriorating security situation on a "sudden" decision by the United States to withdraw its troops but said his government had a plan to bring conditions under control within six months.

Read Commandos deployed as Afghan forces battle Taliban for control of cities

Taliban had moved in on three provincial capitals in the last few days, amid rapid advances nationwide since Washington said it planned a complete withdrawal of troops by September.

"The current situation is due to a sudden decision on the withdrawal of the international troops," Ghani told the Afghan parliament in a speech.

"We have had an unexpected situation in the last three months," he said.

However, the Afghan government had a security plan to bring the situation under control within six months, he added, and the United States supported the plan.

The Taliban would not move towards peace unless the worsening security situation was curbed, Ghani said.

Peace talks between the Afghan government and Taliban negotiators started last year in the Qatari capital of Doha, but have not made any substantive progress despite a few rounds.

The two sides committed to speeding up the talks, however, at a recent meeting in Doha between a high-level Afghan political delegation and the Taliban.

Ghani said the Taliban had not severed ties with 'terrorist groups', and had stepped up attacks on women and civil society activists.

It was time the Taliban and the Afghan government accepted each other and moved towards a peaceful solution, he added.

With additional input from Reuters.
 
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2313672/afghan-president-vows-to-defeat-advancing-taliban-in-six-months

Afghan President Ashraf Ghani on Monday told an extraordinary joint session of the parliament a new security plan backed by the US and international community would bring the Taliban to their knees in six months.

Afghan President Ghani directed the country’s Interior and Defence Ministries as well as secret service NDS (National Directorate of Security) to expedite efforts to strengthen and streamline public uprising forces against the advancing Taliban. Ghani issued a stern warning to the Taliban to either engage in a meaningful dialogue for peace or face ultimate defeat on the battlefield.

“Our security plan is clear, without going into details, I would only say, all preparations are completed to defer this wave of ‘fitnah’. There is no doubt main elements of this plan is the public uprising along with the security forces,” he said.

Giving an idea of the plan, he added army would concentrate on the defence of strategic assets, the police would ensure security of strategic districts and cities while the NDS would take forward process of uprising process.

“For the implementation of this plan, in the leadership of the US we have the proper support of our international partners…the international financial and political support would remain with us,” said Ghani, adding Afghans have difficult decisions ahead of them.

“Our security plan is clear. We are all ready to end the insurgency in the next six months,” said the Afghan president.

“We have made our decision, the Taliban and their backers should make their decisions,” he added.

The Taliban were quick to reject remarks of the Afghan president.

In a statement, the group said: "Ashraf Ghani's statements were all 'nonsense', he was trying to control his bad situation and mistakes. The nation has decided to prosecute national traitors and bring them to justice. Declarations of war, accusations and misrepresentation cannot prolong life. His (Ghani's) time is over."

Last week the group expressed its apprehensions regarding President Ghani's previous remarks on bringing peace and order in the coming six months.

“The Islamic Emirate (Taliban) also warns that in the next six months, the responsibility for any military transformation will fall on the leaders of the Kabul administration (Afghan government). The 'Mujahideen' of the Islamic Emirate (Taliban) will strongly defend their territories and the war by the enemy will continue. In that case, the Islamic Emirate (Taliban) will not remain on the defensive," said the group in a statement last Friday.

The idea of militia had caused concerns among rights group with the Human Rights Watch calling for scarping the idea altogether. It had warned in a report that such militia with reduced training and potentially less oversight risks being yet another abusive militia operating outside the military’s chain of command.

In a veiled reference to the deal brokered by the US diplomat Zalmay Khalilzad with the Taliban in Qatar last year, Ghani said the process hampered and sidelined the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan, and legitimised the insurgents. He said that this process did not lead to peace, but created ambiguity and suspicion leading to the current situation in Afghanistan.

“We’ll stand against the ‘fitnah’ (heretical uprising) to protect our democratic values. Our young democracy has problems but it’s the system of people by the people, so we are going to protect it,” said Ghani, adding the Taliban strengthened ties with international terrorists and have become more ‘brutal and un-Islamic’.

The Doha Agreement paved the way for the withdrawal of foreign troops from Afghanistan, launch of intra-Afghan peace talks, and release of some 5,000 key insurgent commanders from prisons.

Political analyst Syed Iqbal told Anadolu Agency the plan was never liked by the Afghan government. “Out of fear of losing the much-needed US support, the government remained quiet and did what it was asked to do, such as release of the Taliban. But now, as the Taliban are marching on cities in defiance of that deal (Doha Agreement), the Afghan government is frustrated and expressing its anger,” he said.

After overrunning nearly 200 rural districts, the Taliban began assaults on major cities on Friday as they marched on Herat city next to Iran, causing panic and anxiety in this third biggest city of an estimated half a million inhabitants.
 
official statement ....

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Reaction?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Reaction</a><br>Speech by <a href="https://twitter.com/ashrafghani?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ashrafghani</a> is nonsense, an attempt to control his fears & dire situation.<br><br>Nation has decided to pursue & bring national traitors to justice.<br><br>Declarations of war, accusations & lies cannot prolong Ghani's life, his time has run-out, God willing.</p>— Zabihullah (..ذبـــــیح الله م ) (@Zabehulah_M33) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zabehulah_M33/status/1422101040128745474?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Ashraf will be gone by the end of the month. Fighting raging on in all of Afghanistan now as expected after the Americans announced their departure. Don't see what the American's have accomplished in 20 years when the Taliban are sure to take over the country soon. They may not allow Indian terrorism to be exported but Pak and the west will surely have to accept many more refugee's escaping the Talibs. .
 
Yeah, I saw a recent video of his where he was telling Afghans that NATO left because of he "made them leave" even though he was begging for them to stay in his recent meetings :))

This is what he says now;

Earlier in the day, President Ghani blamed Afghanistan's fast-deteriorating security situation on a "sudden" decision by the United States to withdraw its troops but said his government had a plan to bring conditions under control within six months.

Taliban had moved in on three provincial capitals in the last few days, amid rapid advances nationwide since Washington said it planned a complete withdrawal of troops by September.

"The current situation is due to a sudden decision on the withdrawal of the international troops," Ghani told the Afghan parliament in a speech.
 
Priority was to throw India out of Afghanistan by hook or by crook, job done. By the way there is a lot of propaganda against the Talibs for burning universities and what not. We know American propaganda to demonise the Talibs is legendary that has been going on for 20 years. Understandably, they're not gonna speak well of a people who smashed them to pieces. Most likely the American's are bombing Afghanistan themselves but blaming it on the Talibs. As for the Talib's they will soon be turning their attention to other issues in the region.
 
Pak threw India out of Afghanistan putting waste to their $3 billion. India possibly stopped Cricketing nations touring Pak costing us a few $million at best. Do your sums who has won here:afridi
 
Priority was to throw India out of Afghanistan by hook or by crook, job done. By the way there is a lot of propaganda against the Talibs for burning universities and what not. We know American propaganda to demonise the Talibs is legendary that has been going on for 20 years. Understandably, they're not gonna speak well of a people who smashed them to pieces. Most likely the American's are bombing Afghanistan themselves but blaming it on the Talibs. As for the Talib's they will soon be turning their attention to other issues in the region.

What do you mean by this?
Can Pakistan not confront India with their own soldiers? Or happy to just send terrorist to India?

As for Taliban with all this huha what have they really archieved? Won a few districts? How many provinces do they hold? A big fat ZERO. How about they control a province before you declare them as rulers of Afghanistan?

Believe me Pakistan investment in Taliban is much bigger than 3 billion. Taliban is a large portion of Pakistan army budget. Why do you think Pakistan is close to going bankrupt?
 
What do you mean by this?
Can Pakistan not confront India with their own soldiers? Or happy to just send terrorist to India?

As for Taliban with all this huha what have they really archieved? Won a few districts? How many provinces do they hold? A big fat ZERO. How about they control a province before you declare them as rulers of Afghanistan?

Believe me Pakistan investment in Taliban is much bigger than 3 billion. Taliban is a large portion of Pakistan army budget. Why do you think Pakistan is close to going bankrupt?

Look whose talking! It is well documented that India has been using Afghanistan as a base to attack Pak. Even Ajit Doval suggests the same as does Gaurav Arya. No Pak can not attack Afghanistan to kill Indian terrorists like you can not attack Pak.

Talib's are gonna form the next government. How do you know exactly what they have or have not conquered. Reason I support them is they will not allow Indian terrorism in Pak, this is why your media is mad at them too.

No I can't believe you when you are in no position of authority. Never mind Pak's internal problems we just want you gone out of Afghanistan at every cost. Your media openly admits Indian investment is probably much more the $3 billion too that Modi could have used to much greater effect by feeding his starving people.
 
Taliban can only form a government if they win the urban centres .

They may take over the southern cities eventually due to attrition of afghan forces and fatigue and you will end up a fractured country with parallel governance entities .

But for taliban to win the whole country they need to be backed by airpower , drones and standoff munitions like atgms , pakistan is not ready to back them with that.

But the afghans are seriously deluded to think taliban are pakistanis and funded by pakistan , they are a afghan peasant movement made up mainly of pashtuns , it has nothing to do with pakistan.

Country is now In a protracted civil war amongst itself.

But recent afghan mps on twitter and Allah hu akhbar chants in Afghanistan just shows the venom these people have for Pakistan. These people are serious nutters like their amrullah saleh.

I don't think pakistan can sit on the fence and let this chaos spiral out of control, it's only a matter of time when pak army will have to back the taliban military and maybe send some of its own units under guise as paramilitaries mercenaries because the protracted civil war is gonna cause displacement of many afghan civilians which inevitable will turn on pakistan doorstep since the mayor In kabul won't be able to house or feed them .
 
Taliban can only form a government if they win the urban centres .

They may take over the southern cities eventually due to attrition of afghan forces and fatigue and you will end up a fractured country with parallel governance entities .

But for taliban to win the whole country they need to be backed by airpower , drones and standoff munitions like atgms , pakistan is not ready to back them with that.

But the afghans are seriously deluded to think taliban are pakistanis and funded by pakistan , they are a afghan peasant movement made up mainly of pashtuns , it has nothing to do with pakistan.

Country is now In a protracted civil war amongst itself.

But recent afghan mps on twitter and Allah hu akhbar chants in Afghanistan just shows the venom these people have for Pakistan. These people are serious nutters like their amrullah saleh.

I don't think pakistan can sit on the fence and let this chaos spiral out of control, it's only a matter of time when pak army will have to back the taliban military and maybe send some of its own units under guise as paramilitaries mercenaries because the protracted civil war is gonna cause displacement of many afghan civilians which inevitable will turn on pakistan doorstep since the mayor In kabul won't be able to house or feed them .

What's so venomous about the Allah hu Akbar chants?
 
The Indian terrorist supporters', TTP's and PTM's supporters will squeal and squeal hard.

These people were celebrating when Pakistanis were getting butchered by daily terrorist attacks. After Peshawar massacre of 149 innocent souls these people were celebrating and laughing at Pakistan.

I distinctively remember Indian media channels', their puppet Afghans' and the mindless propaganda during those days.

I have no sympathy for animals who are responsible for death of 70 000+ Pakistanis.

May they burn in hell.
 
Here is video of Indian sponsored NGO (read terrorist) auntie chanting against Pakistan, Imran Khand and Qureshi:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">افغان رکن پارلیمنٹ مریم سلیمان خیل کابل میں <br>مرگ بر پاکستان، مرگ بر عمران، مرگ بر قریشی<br> کے نعرے لگوا رہی ہیں <a href="https://t.co/y0HCC6rbhK">pic.twitter.com/y0HCC6rbhK</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1422663421296795652?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 3, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
The Indian terrorist supporters', TTP's and PTM's supporters will squeal and squeal hard.

These people were celebrating when Pakistanis were getting butchered by daily terrorist attacks. After Peshawar massacre of 149 innocent souls these people were celebrating and laughing at Pakistan.

I distinctively remember Indian media channels', their puppet Afghans' and the mindless propaganda during those days.

I have no sympathy for animals who are responsible for death of 70 000+ Pakistanis.

May they burn in hell.

Wonder how India is able to cause terrorism in Pakistan with impunity but Pakistan isn't able to in India.

Perhaps setting up thousands of madrassas to brainwash and radicalise young impressionable men to achieve your geopolitical goals was not such a great idea afterall.
 
Wonder how India is able to cause terrorism in Pakistan with impunity but Pakistan isn't able to in India.

Perhaps setting up thousands of madrassas to brainwash and radicalise young impressionable men to achieve your geopolitical goals was not such a great idea afterall.

Indeed, it was a bad idea. Pakistan should have stayed away from the whole USA - USSR war.

It was stupid and a blunder which has harmed average Pakistani and their future generations.
 
Wonder how India is able to cause terrorism in Pakistan with impunity but Pakistan isn't able to in India.

Perhaps setting up thousands of madrassas to brainwash and radicalise young impressionable men to achieve your geopolitical goals was not such a great idea afterall.

Pakistan would quite easily be able to cause terrorism in India, but it would be a bad idea because India is already looking for a reason to malign Pakistan in front of the rest of the world. It would not be worth it. When India does it, they use proxies, and if Pakistan complains it will fall on deaf ears, since those we would be complaining to do the same thing themselves.
 
Taliban will now take care of the TTP and all those holed up in Afghanistan. Now these so called translators are begging the American's to grant them asylum. The majority that remain behind will be begging the Talib's for mercy.
 
Pakistan would quite easily be able to cause terrorism in India, but it would be a bad idea because India is already looking for a reason to malign Pakistan in front of the rest of the world. It would not be worth it. When India does it, they use proxies, and if Pakistan complains it will fall on deaf ears, since those we would be complaining to do the same thing themselves.

So why can't Pakistan use proxies like India allegedly do..

The fact of the matter is, it is not easy to cause trouble in a region unless you have willing participants from the same region. India cannot cause terrorism in Punjab, Pakistan administered Kashmir or Sindh. Similarly Pakistan cannot cause terrorism in most of the states of India with the exception of Kashmir because you'll find it hard to find willing participants to engage in anti state activities in any of the states in India, and the same is the case for India in the provinces of Punjab, Pakistan administered Kashmir and Sindh.

Now why there were willing participants in large numbers in the regions where TTP operated is probably the bigger question. And that ultimately leads to Pakistan itself. It needs to look inwardly at its past actions rather than outwardly. Every country is of course there to get its rival country and destabilise it. The same is true even for China in north east India. It's true for Pakistan and India too. But it's not always easy for these countries to cause trouble in each other's territories unless the region where the trouble is has some underlying issues in itself.
 
So why can't Pakistan use proxies like India allegedly do..

The fact of the matter is, it is not easy to cause trouble in a region unless you have willing participants from the same region. India cannot cause terrorism in Punjab, Pakistan administered Kashmir or Sindh. Similarly Pakistan cannot cause terrorism in most of the states of India with the exception of Kashmir because you'll find it hard to find willing participants to engage in anti state activities in any of the states in India, and the same is the case for India in the provinces of Punjab, Pakistan administered Kashmir and Sindh.

Now why there were willing participants in large numbers in the regions where TTP operated is probably the bigger question. And that ultimately leads to Pakistan itself. It needs to look inwardly at its past actions rather than outwardly. Every country is of course there to get its rival country and destabilise it. The same is true even for China in north east India. It's true for Pakistan and India too. But it's not always easy for these countries to cause trouble in each other's territories unless the region where the trouble is has some underlying issues in itself.

If Pakistan used proxies, it would end up being held responsible for it just by sheer dint of noise coming from India. If it was the other way round, it would mostly be ignored by the wider world unless there was literally a smoking gun. India is too big a market so world powers would be reluctant to push them unless there was no choice.

Pakistan is in no way responsible for what happens in Afghanistan. There has always been a very tough religious streak on the border areas, and that is true for Pakistan's side as well. Pashtun areas straddle both sides, if you saw the tribal areas you would see they are culturally quite different from other parts of Pakistan. This was the case even before the creation of Pakistan.

Instead of always looking to blame Pakistan, Indians would do better to thank them for providing a buffer state from the raiding Afghans of previous centuries.
 
If Pakistan used proxies, it would end up being held responsible for it just by sheer dint of noise coming from India. If it was the other way round, it would mostly be ignored by the wider world unless there was literally a smoking gun. India is too big a market so world powers would be reluctant to push them unless there was no choice.

Pakistan is in no way responsible for what happens in Afghanistan. There has always been a very tough religious streak on the border areas, and that is true for Pakistan's side as well. Pashtun areas straddle both sides, if you saw the tribal areas you would see they are culturally quite different from other parts of Pakistan. This was the case even before the creation of Pakistan.

Instead of always looking to blame Pakistan, Indians would do better to thank them for providing a buffer state from the raiding Afghans of previous centuries.

I'm well aware that the tribal areas are the most religiously conservative region in the entire subcontinent and that's true for Afghanistan as well. Also I don't put the blame for the Taliban on Pakistan entirely, because like I've always said, it's impossible to start an insurgency unless there are pre-existing factors that promote such a movement in that region and the same is true for Afghanistan as well. Afghanistan is the most conservative country among all other countries in south asia and Pashtuns are also very religiously conservative people. So it's not really a huge surprise that something like the Taliban movement took hold in Afghanistan even if not all Pashtuns support the movement.

My point is not that Pakistan gave rise to the Taliban but it helped it grow and sustain as a movement even within its own territory, while ignoring the fact that Pakistan too has a large population of people having the same conservative views in its tribal areas. It's like pouring gasoline on a fire that's raging in and around your fence bordering your neighbour's house and it's inevitable that some of that fire is going to burn your side of the home too. I'm not constantly looking to blame Pakistan here. Even when India is being consumed by hindu nationalist sentiment, you still have a good section of dissenters in India criticising the misguided hindu nationalist policies of the Indian state, be it the CAA or NRC or even in Kashmir for that matter.

With Pakistan, the thing that I notice is almost everyone seems to speak the language of the Pakistani state and hardly anyone seems to criticise their failed policies. Not saying there are no dissenters of the misguided policies of the Pakistani state, I have come across them on twitter. It's just that they are few in number and very little in comparison to the Indians who disagree with the Indian state. Of course, one doesn't need to criticise just for the sake of criticising, but if all the policies that were followed by the Pakistani state were successful, the country wouldn't have suffered under terrorism leading to a complete breakdown of security situation in the nation for so many years.
 
I'm well aware that the tribal areas are the most religiously conservative region in the entire subcontinent and that's true for Afghanistan as well. Also I don't put the blame for the Taliban on Pakistan entirely, because like I've always said, it's impossible to start an insurgency unless there are pre-existing factors that promote such a movement in that region and the same is true for Afghanistan as well. Afghanistan is the most conservative country among all other countries in south asia and Pashtuns are also very religiously conservative people. So it's not really a huge surprise that something like the Taliban movement took hold in Afghanistan even if not all Pashtuns support the movement.

My point is not that Pakistan gave rise to the Taliban but it helped it grow and sustain as a movement even within its own territory, while ignoring the fact that Pakistan too has a large population of people having the same conservative views in its tribal areas. It's like pouring gasoline on a fire that's raging in and around your fence bordering your neighbour's house and it's inevitable that some of that fire is going to burn your side of the home too. I'm not constantly looking to blame Pakistan here. Even when India is being consumed by hindu nationalist sentiment, you still have a good section of dissenters in India criticising the misguided hindu nationalist policies of the Indian state, be it the CAA or NRC or even in Kashmir for that matter.

With Pakistan, the thing that I notice is almost everyone seems to speak the language of the Pakistani state and hardly anyone seems to criticise their failed policies. Not saying there are no dissenters of the misguided policies of the Pakistani state, I have come across them on twitter. It's just that they are few in number and very little in comparison to the Indians who disagree with the Indian state. Of course, one doesn't need to criticise just for the sake of criticising, but if all the policies that were followed by the Pakistani state were successful, the country wouldn't have suffered under terrorism leading to a complete breakdown of security situation in the nation for so many years.

Why do you correlate terrorism with religious conservatism? If you ask many Afghans, the reason the Taliban came about in the first place was because people were being terrorised by gangs and local warlords.

That's not to say that religious groups aren't capable of terror, I'm sure they are. But first we have to recognise that even without religion, there is lack of law and order, and in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan, the people who are sick to the back teeth of corruption and injustice often hope that religion is the answer.

Personally speaking, I think that state should be secular, but I guess if you have a country which is based on religion, that is a bit harder message to promote.
 
Why do you correlate terrorism with religious conservatism? If you ask many Afghans, the reason the Taliban came about in the first place was because people were being terrorised by gangs and local warlords.

That's not to say that religious groups aren't capable of terror, I'm sure they are. But first we have to recognise that even without religion, there is lack of law and order, and in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan, the people who are sick to the back teeth of corruption and injustice often hope that religion is the answer.

Personally speaking, I think that state should be secular, but I guess if you have a country which is based on religion, that is a bit harder message to promote.

Too much religious conservatism turns into religious fundamentalism which in turn is ripe for terrorism. This is the same case even in India. Perhaps the hatred that hindu fundamentalists have for muslims is more from a political pov than a theological pov that maybe some of the muslim fundamentalist groups might have for non muslims, but it is no coincidence that the most religiously conservative countries always suffer the most from terrorism.

Fundamentalism of any ideology is bad and it so happens that religion is the most important thing in our part of the world. Of course there are examples of non religious fundamentalism that has led to terrorism in other parts of the world like the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. But as far as our part of the world goes, religious fundamentalism has always been the root cause of most trouble in the region.
 
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taliban-capture-government-buildings-afghan-city-kunduz-2021-08-08/

Taliban fighters overran three provincial capitals including the strategic northeastern city of Kunduz on Sunday, local officials said, as the insurgents intensified pressure on the north and threatened further cities.

The insurgents have taken dozens of districts and border crossings in recent months and put pressure on several provincial capitals, including Herat in the west and Kandahar in the south, as foreign troops withdraw.

The offensive has gathered momentum in recent days after the United States announced it would end its military mission in the country by the end of August.

Taliban fighters seized key government buildings in Kunduz, leaving government forces hanging onto control of the airport and their base, a provincial assembly lawmaker said on Sunday, raising fears it could be the latest to fall to the Taliban.

The city of 270,000, is regarded as a strategic prize as it lies at the gateway to mineral-rich northern provinces and Central Asia.

"Heavy clashes started yesterday afternoon. All government headquarters are in control of the Taliban, only the army base and the airport is with ANDSF (Afghan security forces) from where they are resisting the Taliban," the lawmaker, Amruddin Wali, said.

A security forces spokesman said on Sunday evening that government forces would launch a large scale operation to retake lost areas of the province as soon as possible.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid said the group had largely captured the province and were close to the airport.

Health officials in Kunduz said that 14 bodies, including those of women and children, and more than 30 injured people had been taken to hospital.

The Taliban have also taken government buildings in the northern provincial capital of Sar-e Pul, driving officials out of the main city to a nearby military base, Mohammad Noor Rahmani, a provincial council member of Sar-e Pul province, said.

On Friday, they captured their first provincial capital in years when they took control of Zaranj, on the border with Iran in Afghanistan's southern Nimroz province.

In recent days they have escalated attacks on northern provinces, which lie outside their traditional strongholds in the south but where the group has been quickly taking ground, often along the border of Afghanistan's Central Asian neighbours and trading partners Turkmenistan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan.

On Sunday evening, Ashraf Ayni, representative in parliament for Takhar province, said its capital Taloqan had fallen to the Taliban who had freed prisoners and taken control of all government buildings, driving officials to a nearby district.

On Saturday, heavy fighting took place in Sheberghan, the capital of northern Jawzjan province. The Taliban said they had captured the entire province.

Jawzjan provincial council member Shir Mohammad said most of Sheberghan, including provincial government buildings, had fallen to the Taliban. An Afghan security forces spokesman on Saturday had denied the Taliban had taken the city, saying forces were working to defend Sheberghan without causing civilian casualties. On Sunday, he did not immediately respond to request for comment for an update on the situation.
 
Afghan President Ashraf Ghani believes that peace talks with the Taliban are dead and is seeking to arm civilians and work with warlords to prevent the group from toppling his government in Kabul, reported Bloomberg on Tuesday.

The publication quoted sources privy to the mood in the presidential palace say Ghani has been feeling increasingly isolated as the Taliban gain diplomatic support from key countries such as Pakistan, China and Russia.

The sources added that Ghani's only solution is to unite and rally groups opposed to the Taliban "in an imminent civil war".

Presidential spokesperson Mohammad Amiri has claimed that the government remains open for talks while the Taliban are back away from negotiations.

Ghani, according to Amiri, has decided to “mobilize and arm” people to fight the insurgent group after a meeting with top warlords and political leaders.

“Unfortunately, the Taliban don’t believe in peace talks,” Amiri said and added, “They are trying to grab power by force and such acts are not acceptable to the people and government of Afghanistan.”

The last round of peace talks took place in Doha, Qatar, on July 17, with both sides agreeing to continue talks.

“We want peace, but they want our surrender,” he maintained.

The United States said it was up to Afghan security forces to defend the country after Taliban militants captured a sixth provincial capital on Monday, along with border towns and trade routes.

President Joe Biden has said the U.S. military mission in Afghanistan will end on Aug. 31, arguing that the Afghan people must decide their own future and that he would not consign another generation of Americans to the 20-year war.

U.S. envoy for Afghanistan Zalmay Khalilzad has left for Qatar where he will “press the Taliban to stop their military offensive and to negotiate a political settlement,” the State Department said on Monday.

In talks over three days, representatives from governments and multilateral organizations will press for “a reduction of violence and ceasefire and a commitment not to recognize a government imposed by force,” the State Department said.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2314905/ghani-prepares-for-civil-war-to-mobilise-and-arm-civilians
 
The end is Nigh for Ashraf puppet Ghani. The only issue is with a iminent civil war in Afghanistan amongst the tribes, the last thing pakistan needs is Afghan sympathisers in the northern areas of Pakistan which will need full attention.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/10/taliban-told-that-afghan-government-installed-by-force-will-go-unrecognised

A US peace envoy to Afghanistan has warned the Taliban that any government that comes to power through force in Afghanistan will not be recognised internationally, after the hardline Islamist movement captured five out of 34 provincial capitals in less than a week.

As the Taliban appeared to consolidate its hold across a swath of the country’s north, and pressed attacks across the country, the US envoy Zalmay Khalilzad went to Doha, Qatar, where the Taliban maintain a political office, to tell the group that there was no point in pursuing victory on the battlefield because a military takeover of Kabul would guarantee they would be global pariahs.

The comments came as the UN human rights chief, Michelle Bachelet, warned of a mounting campaign by the Taliban targeting current and former government officials and family members for “summary execution” and destruction of their homes and other property.

According to the EU about 400,000 Afghans have been displaced by the fighting in recent months.

Khalilzad and others hope to persuade Taliban leaders to return to peace talks with the Afghan government as US and Nato forces finish pulling out from the country.

Late on Monday the US said it was up to Afghan security forces to defend the country after Taliban militants captured a sixth provincial capital, Farah, in Farah province, along with border towns and trade routes.

Confirming the latest city to fall, a local official told the Guardian: “Farah is finished. It fell to the Taliban.”

During the past two months the Taliban has rapidly expanded the territory it controls to about 65% of the country, including a large proportion of rural areas. A third of the country’s provincial capitals are under threat.

Khalilzad’s comments came as a senior EU official warned that the Taliban’s strategy in northern Afghanistan appeared to be to cut off the capital, Kabul, from forces to the north that could support it.

The envoy plans to “press the Taliban to stop their military offensive and to negotiate a political settlement, which is the only path to stability and development in Afghanistan”, the state department said.

Meanwhile, the Taliban military chief released an audio message to his fighters on Tuesday ordering them not to harm Afghan forces and government officials in territories they conquered. The recording was shared on Twitter by the Taliban spokesperson in Doha, Mohammad Naim.

In the nearly five-minute audio Mohammad Yaqoob, the son of the late Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar, also told the insurgents to stay out of abandoned homes of government and security officials who had fled, to leave marketplaces open and to protect places of business, including banks.

It was not immediately clear if Taliban fighters on the ground would heed Yaqoob’s instructions. There have been reports by civilians who have fled Taliban advances of heavy-handed treatment by the insurgents – of schools being burned down and of repressive restrictions on women.

In a separate intervention on Tuesday, the UN human rights chief urged an end to the Taliban offensive on Afghan cities and said her office was receiving reports of possible war crimes.

“The Taliban must cease their military operations in cities. Unless all parties return to the negotiating table and reach a peaceful settlement, the already atrocious situation for so many Afghans will become much worse,” Bachelet said in a statement.

The Taliban’s sweeping takeover of cities and districts had “struck fear and dread into the population”, she said, warning that the proliferation of pro-government militias mobilised against the Taliban could also put civilians at risk.

“We know that urban warfare results in scores of civilians being killed. We have seen it before, too many times. In Afghanistan, since 9 July, in four cities alone – Lashkar Gah, Kandahar, Herat and Kunduz – at least 183 civilians have been killed and 1,181 injured, including children,” she said, adding that these were just the civilian casualties the UN had managed to document.
 
The finance minister has now just fled lol

Taliban have captured a helicopter in kunduz and made the ana surrender at the airport 😆

Seriously all this bravado by namak harams that they are warrior race , with sikandar azam ariana blood, never been defeated, they sure do like being occupied and surrendering within seconds
 
The finance minister has now just fled lol

Taliban have captured a helicopter in kunduz and made the ana surrender at the airport 😆

Seriously all this bravado by namak harams that they are warrior race , with sikandar azam ariana blood, never been defeated, they sure do like being occupied and surrendering within seconds


Imperative pakistan borders are fully sealed. We've given enough hospitality to these pathetic people, it's about time they face the music and sort their own mess out.
 
Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi on Wednesday said Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has continued his allegations against Pakistan yet Islamabad's attitude remains 'positive'.

“We want improvement in Afghanistan”, the FM said, adding that the Afghan people themselves want peace.

According to him, Pakistan’s role in the Afghan peace process has been positive and he elaborated that a Pakistani delegation is currently in Doha and involved in peace talks.

“Our positive role and efforts for peace are not hidden from anyone, and today the world is appreciating Pakistan’s conciliatory efforts for Afghan peace”, he remarked.

The foreign minister spoke of unnamed 'forces' in the region that are working against peace and need to be monitored.

“Attempts are being made to hold Pakistan responsible for the situation in Afghanistan”, he said, adding that a faction outside of Afghanistan is "playing the role of the spoiler”.

The minister reiterated that Pakistan is “part of a global consensus” and has the same “goal” of peace. “Our efforts for peace will continue.”

FM Qureshi clarified Pakistan’s stance on the situation, reiterating that Pakistan has “no favourites in Afghanistan”.

“If there was a military solution to the Afghan situation it would have been reached. However, no such military solution has come to light”, he maintained.

According to the foreign minister, Pakistan is in touch with all of Afghanistan’s neighbouring countries and wants to come up with “an integrated strategy” for peace.

“We are concerned about the escalating violence in Afghanistan. All countries in the region must work together for peace”, he emphasised.

“We do not want to interfere in the affairs of Afghanistan, however, we are ready and willing to play the role of the good neighbour”, he said.

FM Qureshi further stated that fencing was done at the Pak-Afghan border to stop the movement of “unwanted elements”.

“25,000 to 30,000 people cross the border daily, and we do not want dangerous elements to enter into Pakistan and worsen the country's situation”, he said, adding that movement across the border should be regulated.

Discussing India’s role regarding the situation, the FM commented that their attitude in the United Nations Security Council meeting was “regrettable”, and that the international community and the Council should have taken note of this.

“Pakistan is not a member of the Security Council but is more affected by the situation in Afghanistan and has paid a heavy price already. If the situation in Afghanistan worsens, Pakistan will be the first to be impacted”, he said.

Also read Pakistan ‘watchful, but not concerned’ as India assumes UNSC presidency for August

The FM maintained that Pakistan wanted to present its point of view in the Security Council. However, as chair of the Security Council, India “unfortunately did not adopt a responsible attitude”.

Covid based restrictions

The FM stated that talks are underway with the United Kingdom and the United Arab Emirates to review restrictions imposed on Pakistan, with the nation’s Covid statistics before them.

“Our statistics and Covid situation is not as bad as India. In our opinion, decisions regarding restrictions should be made on a scientific basis, not political”, he said.

The minister hoped that the UK and the UAE will reconsider their criteria, given Pakistan’s current Covid-19 situation.

Overseas Pakistanis

Qureshi dubbed overseas Pakistanis “precious assets”, stating that Pakistan received billions in remittances last year.

The government has launched the Roshan Digital Scheme to facilitate Pakistanis abroad, he said.

In addition to this, the minister has set up an 'FM Portal' to listen to the complaints of overseas Pakistanis. Through this portal, Pakistanis living abroad can register their complaints, and the portal will assess and subsequently help solve their grievances.

The portal has been piloted in five major embassies, FM Qureshi said.

“We will gradually extend its scope to all missions abroad, so everyone can benefit from this facility”, he added.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People of Afghanistan are suffering due to poverty? Who is responsible for these sufferings? Corruption of Leadership drowns the nations and Afghanistan is an example of that..</p>— Ch Fawad Hussain (@fawadchaudhry) <a href="https://twitter.com/fawadchaudhry/status/1425340006088937475?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 11, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Fighting in Afghanistan's Kandahar region has become "extremely intense" amid the continued insurgence of the Taliban in the country.

It comes after warnings the capital Kabul could fall within the next 90 days, with the hardline Islamist group now controlling around 65% of Afghanistan.

In Kandahar, Afghanistan's second largest city which is situated 480km (300 miles) south-west of Kabul, citizens are fleeing violence as the Taliban threatens to take control of the region.

The city's Sarposa prison has also been overrun, with the Taliban releasing around 1,000 prisoners - thought to be held on political grounds.

Taliban officials said that it is now in control of the facility, with staff surrendering and offering up their ammunition.

An aid worker in the area told Reuters that "fighting did not stop until 4am and then after the first prayers, it started up again", while a doctor said the hospital has seen scores of bodies of armed forces members and wounded Taliban fighters as a result of the "extremely intense" fighting.

The group has now taken 10 local provincial capitals as it continues its assault towards Kabul.

It includes the capture of Ghazni city on Thursday, just 80 miles south-west of Kabul, where insurgents launched a number of attacks.

Fighting was still ongoing on the outskirts of the city. However, Afghan officials told the Associated Press news agency Taliban fighters were raising their flags and the city had calmed after hours of heavy fighting.

The battle for control of Lashkar Gah, west of Kandahar in Helmand Province, continues too - where the Taliban have captured a police headquarters.

The government previously insisted it remained in control of both areas, but the Islamist group has claimed it has now taken over the areas.

Heading into the capital, access to Kabul through the nearby valleys was packed with civilians trying to get into the city amid the rapid gains made by the Taliban, but there are fears that suicide bombers and insurgents could be among them.

On Wednesday, David Miliband, president of the International Rescue Committee, warned the West not to take its eyes off Afghanistan as the Taliban's forces continue to make gains after British and US troops were withdrawn.

The former British foreign secretary said: "The time when troops were there was not used to develop a stable political settlement for the country and the great fear for the moment is that the gains being enjoyed by the people are on the rack."

Mr Miliband said 5,000 civilians were killed in the most recent fighting, 30,000 people a week are fleeing the country, and 350,000 people are homeless.

He added the refugee danger is "real and present" to neighbouring states, with 100,000 leaving Afghanistan each month and going into Pakistan and Iran.

The US Air Force appears to be carrying out air strikes to support Afghan forces, with data suggesting that B-52 bombers and F-15 jets were among the aircraft involved in fighting overnight.

However, it is not clear what casualties or damage the strikes caused.

SKY
 
I feel like Ghani's arrogance might make matters worse for him. If he resigns and flees, he would be fine. But if he is captured in some kind of a coup, things would get real ugly.
 
Ghazni is a big loss because Its direct route from kabul to kandahar , the taliban have literally split the South from the centre.

How this afghan military has folded and scarpered is amazing considering 20 yrs and billions upon billions have been spent on them .
 
Ghazni is a big loss because Its direct route from kabul to kandahar , the taliban have literally split the South from the centre.

How this afghan military has folded and scarpered is amazing considering 20 yrs and billions upon billions have been spent on them .

You can't blame them for taking the money and running, it wasn't their idea that Afghanistan was ready to become an Asian Las Vegas. Actually, if allowed to develop naturally who knows, maybe it would have ended up that way, but they aren't a people who like having foreign ideology imposed on them.
 
If kandahar falls then it's more or less game over for this regime .

For the regimes pittoos a mass evacuation will probably be needed incase they end up being hung najibullah style because pashtuns are vengeful people and many of them have lost people in airstrikes and night raids so I doubt many will be In a forgiving mood.

this regime had a chance to talk to the taliban and come to an agreement but they messed it all up and continued bombing its own people .
Only have themselves to blame
 
A civil war beckons Afghanistan. The present government will be funded and equipped by NATO and recognised by majority of countries

The Taliban will continue to receive support and recognition from its supporters but mostly remain a global pariah.
 
A civil war beckons Afghanistan. The present government will be funded and equipped by NATO and recognised by majority of countries

The Taliban will continue to receive support and recognition from its supporters but mostly remain a global pariah.

Confirming that NATO and their founders would rather sponsor civil war than see peace in the region. This is just another example of how they are used to destablilse and destroy other countries for their own benefit, we have seen it in Syria, Libya, Korea and South America.
 
A civil war beckons Afghanistan. The present government will be funded and equipped by NATO and recognised by majority of countries

The Taliban will continue to receive support and recognition from its supporters but mostly remain a global pariah.

The Taliban will be the recognised government and western countries will claim that they have been reformed and modernised.

They will have embassies across the world in Asia, Africa and the Far East. Maybe they will be pariahs in Europe and India but that's it.

Its a shame for the AFghan people, nobody would willingly want to live under occupation by these thugs but the alternative has unfortunately failed despite being propped up by major countries and India.
 
How this afghan military has folded and scarpered is amazing considering 20 yrs and billions upon billions have been spent on them .

They are human beings. Most people in their position would flee. They are up and against a vengeful and sadistic enemy and its highly likely that their superior commanders/politicians will flee abroad leaving the average soldier in front of the Taliban.

It really is a lose lose situation for the Afghan people.
 
Seriously all this bravado by namak harams that they are warrior race , with sikandar azam ariana blood, never been defeated, they sure do like being occupied and surrendering within seconds

I never understood this attitude and I am a sympathsier to their plight. Afghans in the UK are the worst for it, claiming they are warriors but claiming asylum.

I suppose when you have nothing then it makes sense to cling onto these myths.
 
The Taliban have taken the strategically important city of Ghazni, the 10th provincial capital to fall to the militants in less than a week.

Taking Ghazni is thought to increase the likelihood the Taliban could eventually take the capital Kabul.

There are also reports the cities of Herat and Kandahar could soon fall, amid heavy fighting.

Almost a third of Afghanistan's 34 provincial capitals are now under Taliban control.

The insurgents have moved at speed, seizing new territories almost daily, as US and other foreign troops withdraw after 20 years of military operations.

Ghazni is on the major Kabul-Kandahar motorway, linking militant strongholds in the south to Kabul.

A provincial council member in the city told the BBC that the Taliban had taken most of centre, with only a police base on the outskirts controlled by the Afghan security forces.

In Kandahar, heavy fighting was reported and the Taliban claimed to have taken over its prison and released all of the inmates, although this has not been confirmed.

Prisoners were also freed in the southern city of Lashkar Gah, where there are reports that militants have taken over the police headquarters.

A regional council member in Herat meanwhile told the BBC the city is on the verge of collapse, and that the Taliban has taken control of much of the city. Video on social media shows the insurgents running through a central street firing their weapons.

Meanwhile, the US embassy in Kabul said it was hearing reports that the Taliban was executing Afghan troops who were surrendering, saying it was "deeply disturbing and could constitute war crimes."

More than 1,000 civilians have been killed in Afghanistan in the past month, according to the UN.

Just this week thousands of people from northern provinces have become internally displaced, travelling to Kabul to seek safety.

Makeshift camps have been established on scrubland on the outskirts of the capital, while many others have reportedly been sleeping on the streets or in abandoned warehouses.

"We have no money to buy bread, or get some medicine for my child," a 35-year-old street vendor who fled Kunduz province after the Taliban set fire to his home told the BBC.

In response to the insurgency, the German government has threatened to end its annual financial support of $500m (£360m) to Afghanistan if the Taliban gains complete control of the country.

Germany has also suspended the forced repatriation of Afghan citizens whose asylum applications have failed. The French government says it is also following the same policy.

On Wednesday, Afghanistan replaced its army chief, General Wali Mohammad Ahmadzai, who had only been in the post since June.

Also on Wednesday, President Ashraf Ghani flew to the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif - traditionally an anti-Taliban bastion - to try to rally pro-government forces there.

Mazar-i-Sharif lies close to the borders with Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, and its loss would mark the complete collapse of government control over northern Afghanistan.

President Ghani held crisis talks in Mazar-i-Sharif with ethnic Uzbek warlord Abdul Rashid Dostum and prominent ethnic Tajik leader Atta Mohammad Noor about defending the city.

Mr Dostum, a veteran commander, was quoted as saying: "The Taliban have come to the north several times but they were always trapped."

For years, Mr Ghani tried to sideline the warlords in an attempt to boost the Afghan National Army, and now he is turning to them in his hour of need, the BBC's Ethirajan Anbarasan says. Earlier this week, the president also agreed to arm pro-government militia.

BBC
 
After the Ghazni fall, this report says Talibans are 3 hours away from Kabul now.

Experts said, it will be 90 days before Kabul falls but looks like it may happen earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l650QGCr9o

The bigger question is, if Talibans take over all Afghanistan, will the infighting and civil war stop and there will be some hope for peace?
 
A civil war beckons Afghanistan. The present government will be funded and equipped by NATO and recognised by majority of countries

The Taliban will continue to receive support and recognition from its supporters but mostly remain a global pariah.

Apparently even the US has resigned to the fact that Taliban will take over. I do not believe the current puppet regime will be supported by many international entities.
Russia (by its influence Tajik, Turkomen,Uzbek), China + Pakistan are all that matter. I do not think they will be concerned whether UK/France recognize them. The way ANA is surrendering I don't see Ghani surviving till the end of the month.

Per NY Times:
U.S. Asks Taliban to Spare Its Embassy in Coming Fight for Kabul
The demand seeks to stave off an evacuation of the embassy by dangling aid to future Afghan governments — even one that includes the Taliban.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/12/...-us-embassy.html?referringSource=articleShare

China Preparing to Recognize Taliban if Kabul Falls: Sources
https://www.usnews.com/news/world-r...abul-falls-sources-say-undermining-us-threats
 
Seriously, where are the 300,000 Afghan National Army troops? They were given latest and the greatest weapons from US and India. Where are they? They were given billions by US and India as well, what happened to all that? They were trained by US. Why are they falling as if it is school children fighting a professional army?

Something is not really adding up, considering that they have air force as well and Taliban doesn't.
 
Seriously, where are the 300,000 Afghan National Army troops? They were given latest and the greatest weapons from US and India. Where are they? They were given billions by US and India as well, what happened to all that? They were trained by US. Why are they falling as if it is school children fighting a professional army?

Something is not really adding up, considering that they have air force as well and Taliban doesn't.

That's a good question. The answer is apparently that PK supports the Taliban, support so strong that 300,000 soldiers have or about to disappear.
 
Seriously, where are the 300,000 Afghan National Army troops? They were given latest and the greatest weapons from US and India. Where are they? They were given billions by US and India as well, what happened to all that? They were trained by US. Why are they falling as if it is school children fighting a professional army?

Something is not really adding up, considering that they have air force as well and Taliban doesn't.

I am trying to see if I can get hold of a corrupt Afghani in Peshawar and get an H1 Humvee brought over from Afghanistan. In the Afghani black market of Peshawar, lots of American left over stuff is already available.
 
Seriously, where are the 300,000 Afghan National Army troops? They were given latest and the greatest weapons from US and India. Where are they? They were given billions by US and India as well, what happened to all that? They were trained by US. Why are they falling as if it is school children fighting a professional army?

Something is not really adding up, considering that they have air force as well and Taliban doesn't.

Here it is..... Fleeing Kadahar

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kandahar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kandahar</a> on the verge of conquest.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kandahar?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kandahar</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Taliban?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Taliban</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Afghanistan?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Afghanistan</a> <a href="https://t.co/5xhTG9HVEU">pic.twitter.com/5xhTG9HVEU</a></p>— zubair.Ahmad.kandahari.2 (@VqvYvrHRvcAsE9C) <a href="https://twitter.com/VqvYvrHRvcAsE9C/status/1425824599808253963?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
After the Ghazni fall, this report says Talibans are 3 hours away from Kabul now.

Experts said, it will be 90 days before Kabul falls but looks like it may happen earlier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2l650QGCr9o

The bigger question is, if Talibans take over all Afghanistan, will the infighting and civil war stop and there will be some hope for peace?

When the barbarians come to power, there will not be peace. It will be chaos and people will be scared of these animals. Expect brutal sharia punishments and women will be treated worse than animals.

Democracy is the only solution for Afghanistan. It will have its drawbacks in a nation with corrupt politicians and illiterate citizens. But it still beats the heck out of Taliban rule.
 
Seriously, where are the 300,000 Afghan National Army troops? They were given latest and the greatest weapons from US and India. Where are they? They were given billions by US and India as well, what happened to all that? They were trained by US. Why are they falling as if it is school children fighting a professional army?

Something is not really adding up, considering that they have air force as well and Taliban doesn't.

sounds like ISIS all over again but this time in Afganistan.
 
When the barbarians come to power, there will not be peace. It will be chaos and people will be scared of these animals. Expect brutal sharia punishments and women will be treated worse than animals.

Democracy is the only solution for Afghanistan. It will have its drawbacks in a nation with corrupt politicians and illiterate citizens. But it still beats the heck out of Taliban rule.

by democracy, you mean, any govt but not the Talibans?
What if Talibans get a majority in a fair election?

Look at the regime of Mullah Umar. Afghanistan had the most peaceful 4 years in decades.

However; recently Talibans have issued statements and invited the international observers to visit Taliban controlled areas where women are NOT subject to any brutalities or punishments, yes they ARE asked to dress modestly.
The barber shops are open and no one is forced to sport a beard.

I think Talibans have made some reforms this time, but who knows, after all, they are wild animals.

It will be interesting to see if they make their way to Indian occupied Kashmir after they have issued a final warning to India today to stop supporting the Ghani govt, or else .....
 
China is prepared to recognise the Taliban as the legitimate ruler of Afghanistan if the terrorist group manages to overpower the democratically elected government in Kabul, US News has learned.

New Chinese military and intelligence assessments of the current situation in Afghanistan have prompted them to prepare to formalize their ties with the terrorist group, according to the American publication citing intelligence sources familiar with the Chinese assessments.

This comes after the Taliban claimed to have captured Kandahar, Afghanistan's second-largest city.

"Kandahar is completely conquered. The Mujahideen reached Martyrs' Square in the city," a Taliban spokesman tweeted on an officially recognised account -- a claim backed by a resident, who told AFP government forces appeared to have withdrawn en masse to a military facility outside the city.

https://www.timesnownews.com/intern...ates-united-states-taliban-kandahar-kabul/737
 
KABUL, Aug 12 (Reuters) - The Taliban claimed control over two of Afghanistan's biggest cities on Thursday, according to media reports, as the United States and Britain said they would send thousands of troops to help evacuate their embassy staff.

The capture of Kandahar and Herat - the country's second and third largest cities - would represent the Taliban's two biggest military victories since they began a broad offensive in May.

The fall of major cities was a sign that Afghans welcome the Taliban, a spokesperson for the group said, according to Al Jazeera TV.

The U.S. State Department said Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin spoke to Afghan President Ashraf Ghani on Thursday and told him the United States "remains invested in the security and stability of Afghanistan". They also said the United States was committed to supporting a political solution to the conflict.

In response to the Taliban's swift and violent advances, the Pentagon said it would send about 3,000 extra troops within 48 hours to help evacuate embassy staff.

"We expect to draw down to a core diplomatic presence in Afghanistan in the coming weeks," said State Department spokesperson Ned Price, adding the embassy was not closed. A person familiar with the matter said there were no guarantees the embassy would remain open.

The State Department said it would also increase the tempo of Special Immigration Visa flights for Afghans who helped the U.S. effort in the country.

Britain said it would deploy around 600 troops to help its nationals and local translators get out. read more

As the United Nations warned that a Taliban offensive reaching the capital would have a "catastrophic impact on civilians," the United States and Germany urged all their citizens to leave Afghanistan immediately. read more

In Qatar, international envoys to Afghan negotiations called for an accelerated peace process as a "matter of great urgency," and for an immediate halt to attacks on cities. read more

The fall of both Kandahar and Herat was reported by media including the Associated Press. Combined, the cities represent the two biggest prizes yet for the Taliban in their offensive over the past week.

"As you can see, we are inside the Herat police headquarters right now," a Taliban fighter said in a video shared by a group spokesperson, Qari Yousuf Ahmadi.

Earlier on Thursday, the Taliban captured Ghazni, situated on the Kandahar-to-Kabul road some 150 km (90 miles) southwest of the capital.

On the border, Afghans stranded in Pakistan after the Taliban closed a commercially vital crossing point clashed with Pakistani forces. The death of an Afghan traveller of a heart attack as he waited in the dusty heat near the Chaman-Spin Boldak crossing sparked an attack by others on Pakistani security forces, who responded by firing tear gas and charging with batons. read more

On Wednesday, a U.S. defense official cited U.S. intelligence as saying the Taliban could isolate Kabul in 30 days and possibly take it over within 90.

With phone lines down across much of the country, Reuters was unable to immediately contact government officials to confirm which of the cities under attack remained in government hands.


SAIGON COMPARISONS

The speed and violence of the Taliban offensive have sparked recriminations among many Afghans over President Joe Biden's decision to withdraw U.S. troops, 20 years after they ousted in the Taliban in the wake of the Sept. 11 U.S. attacks.

Biden said on Tuesday he does not regret his decision, noting Washington has spent more than $1 trillion in America's longest war and lost thousands of troops. He added the United States continues to provide significant air support, food, equipment and salaries to Afghan forces. read more

U.S. Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell said the exit strategy was sending the United States "hurtling toward an even worse sequel to the humiliating fall of Saigon in 1975."

"President Biden is finding that the quickest way to end a war is to lose it," McConnell said, urging him instead to commit to providing more support to Afghan forces.

"Without it, al Qaeda and the Taliban may celebrate the 20th anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks by burning down our Embassy in Kabul."

Former State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus said it was "a huge foreign policy failure with generational ramifications just shy of seven months into this administration. Everything points to a complete collapse."

VIOLENCE VS DIPLOMACY

In a deal struck with former U.S. President Donald Trump's administration last year, the insurgents agreed not to attack U.S.-led foreign forces as they withdrew. The Taliban also made a commitment to discuss peace.

Given the speed of the Taliban's advance, prospects for diplomatic pressure to affect the situation on the ground seemed limited, although the Taliban spokesman told Al Jazeera: "We will not close the door to the political track."

Al Jazeera reported a government source saying it had offered the Taliban a share in power if the violence stopped. It was not clear to what extent the reported offer differed from terms already discussed in Qatar.

Taliban spokesperson Zabihullah Mujahid said he was unaware of any such offer but ruled out sharing power.

"We won't accept any offer like this because we don't want to be partner with the Kabul administration. We neither stay nor work for a single day with it," he said.

The international envoys in Doha, who met with Afghan government negotiators and Taliban representatives, reaffirmed that foreign capitals would not recognise any government in Afghanistan "imposed through the use of military force."

The U.N. Security Council was discussing a draft statement that would condemn the Taliban attacks, threaten sanctions, and affirm the non-recognition of an Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, diplomats said on Thursday. read more

The formal statement, drafted by Estonia and Norway and seen by Reuters, has to be agreed by consensus by the 15-member body.
 
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The Taliban have captured Afghanistan's second largest city, Kandahar, in what is a crushing blow for the government and a major win for the militants.

The city was once the Taliban's stronghold, and is strategically important as a leading trade hub.

"Following heavy clashes late last night the Taliban took control of Kandahar city," a local government official told Reuters news agency.

Kandahar is the latest city to fall, after Herat and Ghazni on Thursday.

The Taliban now control most of northern Afghanistan and about a third of the country's regional capitals.

The insurgents have moved quickly, seizing new territories as US and other foreign troops withdraw after 20 years of military operations.

Meanwhile, the United States said it planned to send nearly 3,000 troops back into Afghanistan to help evacuate staff from the American embassy.

It said it was sending troops to the airport in Kabul to help evacuate a "significant" number of embassy staff on special flights.

The UK said it was also deploying about 600 troops on a short-term basis to provide support to British nationals leaving the country. The number of staff working at the British embassy in Kabul has abeen reduced to a core team.

Within hours of each other on Thursday some of Afghanistan's most important cities were captured - Herat, Ghazni and Qala-I-Naw came under Taliban control.

Sources have told the BBC that the southern city of Lashkar Gah, the capital of Helmand province, has also been taken by the militants, although this has also not been confirmed.

There are increasing concerns that the militants will continue their lightning speed offensive toward the capital, Kabul, where tens of thousands of civilians have fled violent street fighting.

"The speed of the Taliban's advance has shocked even seasoned military analysts," the BBC's South Asia Editor, Anbarasan Ethirajan said.

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Seems as if the Taliban are quite comfortably steamrollering the country. Wonder if the US/UK will maintain their stance, or reverse the withdrawal order. I watched Biden talking about it the other day and he didn’t seem to have a clue what was going on to be honest.
 
I'm afraid Afghanistan is a lost cause, if not already. Animosities aside, you can't help but feel bad for the people.. they will suffer
 
Question is - will the USA make an about face and comeback?
 
Afghanistan 'heading towards civil war'

UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has been speaking about the situation in Afghanistan this morning.

He told on BBC Breakfast he believed the country was "heading towards a civil war" as the Taliban gain momentum.

Mr Wallace expressed concern that the developments could lead to a rise in poverty and terrorist activities throughout the country.

He described former President Donald Trump's agreement with the Taliban as a "rotten deal" that potentially undermined the Afghan government.

"We as international partners found it uncomfortable because we had deployed through a US framework...so when they pulled that framework, we had to leave."
 
KABUL, Aug 13 (Reuters) - Taliban insurgents have seized most of Herat, Afghanistan's third largest city,and also captured Ismail Khan, the veteran local commander leading militia resistance there, local officials said on Friday.

The fall of Herat, the latest in a series of major provincial cities to be taken by the Taliban in the past few days, has dealt a shocking blow to the government of President Ashraf Ghani only weeks after the withdrawal of U.S. forces.

One official said Afghan government forces had agreed to withdraw from Herat airport, 15 km (nine miles) from the city, and the Army Corps commander's headquarters, the last centres under their control. However other sources said Afghan forces were still at the airport as of 1 p.m. local time (0830 GMT).

"The Taliban agreed that they will not pose any threat or harm to the government officials who surrendered," said provincial council member Ghulam Habib Hashimi.

As fighting subsided, the streets fell silent in Herat, a major economic hub of about 600,000 people close to the border with Iran and over centuries one of the historic centres of Persian culture.

"Families have either left or are hiding in their houses," said Hashimi, who described Herat as a "ghost town".

Herat has seen increasingly heavy fighting with popular militia groups serving alongside regular army units as Taliban pressure on the city mounted following the U.S. pullout.

Khan, the most prominent militia commander and believed to be in his 70s, together with the provincial governor and security officials, were handed over to the Taliban under an agreement, Hashimi told Reuters. He had no details of the deal.


Khan's capture, confirmed by Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid, provided one of the most potent symbols of the crumbling of resistance in the city.

Photos and videos showing the eminent commander apparently in the hands of the insurgents were widely shared on social media although they could not immediately be verified.

Ismail Khan is widely known as the Lion of Herat. His involvement in Afghanistan's wars goes back to the anti-government uprising that helped trigger the 1979 Soviet intervention, and his return to the front lines a month ago was a clear sign of the growing threat to Herat.
 
Afghanistan has a lot of mineral wealth and also is a direct route for central asian oil and gas pipelines they have no reason to be poor alongside the wealth of opium and hashish .
If somehow taliban can get China onboard and join the cpec it will benefit afghanistan in the long term because China will construct things unlike the untrustworthy yanks .
 
Afghanistan has a lot of mineral wealth and also is a direct route for central asian oil and gas pipelines they have no reason to be poor alongside the wealth of opium and hashish .
If somehow taliban can get China onboard and join the cpec it will benefit afghanistan in the long term because China will construct things unlike the untrustworthy yanks .

China will colonize Afghanistan. They do not play by rules and agreements. They will do things that benefit them. All the roads and bridges they build will be to loot Afghan wealth and transfer it to Beijing.
 
China will colonize Afghanistan. They do not play by rules and agreements. They will do things that benefit them. All the roads and bridges they build will be to loot Afghan wealth and transfer it to Beijing.

It will still be better for the avergae Afghan than being blown up in the street by a suicide bomber ot having their wedding bombed by an American fighter jet.
 
Some developments:

Taliban insurgents have taken control in the country’s second-largest city of Kandahar, a strategically important and major trading hub
They have also entered the provincial capital of Logar, which borders Kabul province
One NGO in the country has expressed concern about civilian casualties
UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace has warned that the country is “heading towards a civil war" as the Taliban gain momentum
In a statement, Mitch McConnel, the Republican party’s leader in the US Senate, has compared the situation to the fall of Saigon
After the US and UK announced plans to minimise staffing at their embassies, Russia’s envoy to Afghanistan says Moscow has no plans to follow suit
 
The finance minister has now just fled lol

Taliban have captured a helicopter in kunduz and made the ana surrender at the airport &#55357;&#56838;

Seriously all this bravado by namak harams that they are warrior race , with sikandar azam ariana blood, never been defeated, they sure do like being occupied and surrendering within seconds

??

Did you know the people of Swat also surrendered to TTP back in 2008s?

When people with arms come everyone will surrender. Very easy to go macho talk behind your computer screen.
 
Well China is indeed the best bet to bring about some semblance of peace for the Afghans.

I think the West is too proud to deal with Taliban, ultimately its upto the other big power which has to step up and bring them to the table. A few deals signed here and there, in return for regulations etc
 
Lol China colonise afghanistan

Taliban are no pushovers they've shown that in last 20 yrs , world biggest military arsenal daisy cutters , bunker busters , moabs, white phosphorous , usa nato special forces night raids .

China will do business in Afghanistan like it does in pakistan without building prisons and bombing peoples houses with bombs .
 
Lol China colonise afghanistan

Taliban are no pushovers they've shown that in last 20 yrs , world biggest military arsenal daisy cutters , bunker busters , moabs, white phosphorous , usa nato special forces night raids .

China will do business in Afghanistan like it does in pakistan without building prisons and bombing peoples houses with bombs .

It’s not the Taliban but the rules of engagement the US constrained itself by has led to the current situation.
 
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