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''After the creation of Pakistan, indeed May 28th was the most romantic day..." : Zaid Hamid

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''After the creation of Pakistan, indeed May28th was the most romantic day in our history!! We cried that day'' - ZAID HAMID

Today Pakistan became the first nuclear Islamic country in the world. Today Pakistan made all the muslims proud and united,
Today Pakistan gave hope to the children in Palestine,
To our brothers and sisters in Kashmir,
And a CLEAR message to our foes; We are here to stay and We are here to project our brothers and sisters from evil and from harm


TODAY We gave HOPE to the MUSLIMS. Let us celebrate this day together and InshaAllah let us bring that hope back to the muslims. InshaAllah God willing, Pakistan will stand up together and reunited as ONE under the leadership of Imran KHAN and create a world for Muslims where we are respected and where we will live in freedom without the fear of our enemies! Pakistan ZINDABAD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RhhT8uFduGU#at=198

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8BFR7ua_fk
 
How long will the world keep being proud about weapons, arms, missiles etc.:facepalm:........

When will the time come when we will be proud about our educational system, and that a child sleeps not with hunger?
 
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How long will the world keep being proud about weapons, arms, missiles etc.:facepalm:........

When will the time come when we will be proud about our educational system, and that a child sleeps not with hunger?

Think before writing... without this capability there would be no children, no educational system and no country.
 
Think before writing... without this capability there would be no children, no educational system and no country.

Today Pakistan gave hope to the children in Palestine,
To our brothers and sisters in Kashmir,
How much of a difference has it made to them over the last decade or so after this very "romantic" day?

You really think it made a difference to the children in Palestine, or that they slept peacefully ever since then?
 
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How much of a difference has it made to them over the last decade or so after this very "romantic" day?

You really think it made a difference to the children in Palestine, or that they slept peacefully ever since then?

Yes it has because these children would not exist today if it was not for Pakistan. Every LIVING society suffers hardship but if it was not for 28th May then Muslims would not have existed.
 
some thing is really wrong , when you think having nuclear weapons is such a big deal .
 
Yes it has because these children would not exist today if it was not for Pakistan. Every LIVING society suffers hardship but if it was not for 28th May then Muslims would not have existed.

We didnt.

I didn´t know that the Muslim world was rescued by Pakistan in 1998......

As far as I know, from 610 A.D to 1998 there were Muslims around the world.......

Secondly, I didn´t know Palestine is now safe and sound ever since that "romantic" day.......
 
See Dhoni you misquoted me; I said exist TODAY; I.e. Palestine would have been under total controll of Israel and Pakistan under India!

TODAY ALLAH ALMIGHTY gave PAKISTAN its gift in order for it to be a state forever; the corrupted politicians that Pakistan has had, its amazing. If only Pakistan would get a real democratic government, then the world would change. The Muslims would have a VOICE.
 
If Pakistan was not under India's control some 50 years after it's formation (before it had nuclear power), what do you think was different in last 10 years when India would have invaded you had you not been nuclear enabled?

You see, I'm not against Pakistan having nuclear power and understand that countries will sacrifice their nuclear weapons only if all others do the same. But, using paranoia to justify it is not really a good sign.
 
Whilst others may agree with me, but I hardly think that an atom bomb is a gift from God, be it be from any country on earth.

The real gift from God is a pair of hands that He has given us. We defend ourselves in the need of hour and some of us try to educate ourselves by holding a pen in it.
 
Yom-e-Takbeer Mubarak !

May Allah Bless Pakistan, We salute Dr.Abdul Qadeer Khan and all his team.
 
If Pakistan was not under India's control some 50 years after it's formation (before it had nuclear power), what do you think was different in last 10 years when India would have invaded you had you not been nuclear enabled?

You see, I'm not against Pakistan having nuclear power and understand that countries will sacrifice their nuclear weapons only if all others do the same. But, using paranoia to justify it is not really a good sign.


Simply put: Indian Ocean. Read up and brush up your knowledge, i.e. read Robert D kaplan - monsoon.
 
Whilst others may agree with me, but I hardly think that an atom bomb is a gift from God, be it be from any country on earth.

The real gift from God is a pair of hands that He has given us. We defend ourselves in the need of hour and some of us try to educate ourselves by holding a pen in it.


Yom-e-Takbeer Mubarak ! Maybe you need to focus on reading as well, since the capability of creating an atom bomb is a gift.
 
Maybe you need to focus on reading as well, since the capability of creating an atom bomb is a gift.

I am happy not to have mis-used my capabilities like rest of the world´s political powers:).
 
And the Mumbai attacks which India so called has evidence and blames Pakistan for? What do you think India would have done had Pakistan not had nuclear capability? Hum, I know the answer and I am sure you know as well.
 
Simply put: Indian Ocean. Read up and brush up your knowledge, i.e. read Robert D kaplan - monsoon.

This isn't Shakesphere or some elementary reading that everyone is supposed to know.

Looks like the book was released last year only.

So, if you've read it and there are some arguments that you'd like to quote from it, go ahead and do it.
 
And the Mumbai attacks which India so called has evidence and blames Pakistan for? What do you think India would have done had Pakistan not had nuclear capability? Hum, I know the answer and I am sure you know as well.

There was widespread insurgency in Kashmir and India blamed ISI for supporting organizations that butchered people in thousands in the 90s before Pakistan had nuclear powers.

Why did they not attack Pakistan, then?

A war is a really big deal and as bad as the attack was, a country like India will never go to a war of large scale that would destabilize the economy and security of the entire country, because of that.
 
jzdanish, Pakistan officially conducted it's first nuclear test in 1998, whereas India conducted it's first in 1974, so in the ensuing 24 years India did not threaten Pakistan with nuclear war despite of cross-border terrorism charges blamed by each country on the other.

Anyway, you are free to have your own opinion on this.
 
No country that actually uses its nuclear weapons on someone else will get away with it.

The only exception to this is the US because they seem capable for getting away with anything and everything.
 
And the Mumbai attacks which India so called has evidence and blames Pakistan for? What do you think India would have done had Pakistan not had nuclear capability? Hum, I know the answer and I am sure you know as well.

Nuclear weapons didn't stop Pakistan from starting the Kargil war did it??

Which one of the wars fought were started by India?
 
This could be a decent thread if jzdanish was not moderately deluded.
 
Sachin: Maybe if you stop slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians in Kashmir we will not have a reason to start a war again with you but if you continue then InshaAllah pakistan will save Kashmir InshaAllah. Dr. Schaden Freud read the book yourself. Read something which will improve your general knowledge and Pakistan has nuclear weapons long time before 1998 before it was broadcasted to the entire world.
 
There was widespread insurgency in Kashmir and India blamed ISI for supporting organizations that butchered people in thousands in the 90s before Pakistan had nuclear powers.

Why did they not attack Pakistan, then?

A war is a really big deal and as bad as the attack was, a country like India will never go to a war of large scale that would destabilize the economy and security of the entire country, because of that.

Indian Ocean. As simple as THAT.
 
Sachin: Maybe if you stop slaughtering thousands of innocent civilians in Kashmir we will not have a reason to start a war again with you but if you continue then InshaAllah pakistan will save Kashmir InshaAllah. Dr. Schaden Freud read the book yourself. Read something which will improve your general knowledge and Pakistan has nuclear weapons long time before 1998 before it was broadcasted to the entire world.

Please remember the number of your own bangladeshi "brothers" and "sisters" you killed in 1971. Weren't they part of your "ummah" then??

The point was that no country will attack you now that you have nukes, or that no country that has nukes will be attacked. Kargil disproves this delusion of yours.
 
No it does not, it actually proves my point which is the fact that the war did not start due to the nuclear weapons, slapped!
 
And P.S we did not kill them, certain black sheeps did, more like the hindus see their fellow non-touchables as.
 
''The question of how many weapons are required for credible deterrence against India is purely academic. India is engaged in a massive program to cope with the nonexistent threat posed by China and in order to become a superpower. India doesn’t need more than five weapons to hurt us badly, and we wouldn’t need more than 10 to return the favor. That is why there has been no war between us for the past 40 years.''

''Don’t overlook the fact that no nuclear-capable country has been subjected to aggression or occupied, or had its borders redrawn. Had Iraq and Libya been nuclear powers, they wouldn’t have been destroyed in the way we have seen recently. If we had had nuclear capability before 1971, we would not have lost half of our country—present-day Bangladesh—after disgraceful defeat''

WORDS OF A.Q KHAN; POISON WHERE YOU ARE? MY DELUSIONAL POINT OF VIEW? A:Q KHAN IS SAYING THE SAME THING FOOLS!
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-05-16/pakistans-aq-khan-my-nuclear-manifesto/
 
Please remember the number of your own bangladeshi "brothers" and "sisters" you killed in 1971.
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You may not have been born when Indra Gandhi attacked Golden temple. Ever heard of that?

What goes on in Kashmir everyday?
 
''I would like to make it clear that it was an Indian nuclear explosion in May 1974 that prompted our nuclear program, motivating me to return to Pakistan to help create a credible nuclear deterrent and save my country from Indian nuclear blackmail.''

AQ KHAN!
 
Atomic bomb being a gift from god is one of the most outlandish and idiotic statement that I have heard so far. Don't think god would supply a weapon that can cause mass murder and destruction to the land and people that he created. Ridiculous argument.
 
''I would like to make it clear that it was an Indian nuclear explosion in May 1974 that prompted our nuclear program, motivating me to return to Pakistan to help create a credible nuclear deterrent and save my country from Indian nuclear blackmail.''

AQ KHAN!

BINGO!
This answers the questions/points (made by even indian posters who i havent seen posting for AGES...then 28th May comes along and theyre back)

After india conducted their nuclear tests (yes before Pakistan)...the then BJP 'Government' (LK Advani) said lets invade Azad Kashmir and 'free it'...just as we conducted our tests...suddenly the tone had changed to...'lets talk' :poodle
Dont be fooled by this bullcr@p about 'something wrong with nukes etc etc', 'why are so nukes so important' etc etc

9/11...bahana Afghanistan, nishana Pakistan
 
Nuclear weapons didn't stop Pakistan from starting the Kargil war did it??

Which one of the wars fought were started by India?

What happened in 1948? What happened in 1965? How old are you (im 19 and i know this)?

Please do some reading and stop your bullcr@p
 
Whilst others may agree with me, but I hardly think that an atom bomb is a gift from God, be it be from any country on earth.

The real gift from God is a pair of hands that He has given us. We defend ourselves in the need of hour and some of us try to educate ourselves by holding a pen in it.

As an Indian you wouldn't. No Indian was happy when Pakistan gained a defence capablity of this kind but they should have been.

No doubt a very important day for Pakistan and the region. India has also gained from this since both nations are unlikely get into an all out war now.
 
Thread would be great if jz wasn't so over the top. Lettuce be cereal, the bomb is a great thing for us to have and is a source of pride. Anyone who can't understand why has no idea how difficult it is to make one or isn't familiar with history.

Did it do anything for Muslims other than us? Not really, we didn't share it or anything like that. Not that we could or would want to, if our leaders are corrupt then Arabs must be on some next level.
 
A slightly difference perspective...not that I agree with it 100%. Some of the points do make sense though!

Anniversary: What if Pakistan did not have the bomb?
By Pervez Hoodbhoy
Published: May 28, 2011

Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan has spent the last few years confined by the Pakistan Army to one of his palatial Islamabad residences where he whiles away his days writing weekly columns in newspapers. This venerable metallurgist, who claims paternity rights over Pakistan’s bomb, says it alone saves Pakistan. In a recent article, he wistfully wrote: “If we had had nuclear capability before 1971, we would not have lost half of our country – present-day Bangladesh – after disgraceful defeat.”

Given that 30,000 nuclear weapons failed to save the Soviet Union from decay, defeat and collapse, could the Bomb really have saved Pakistan in 1971? Can it do so now?

Let’s revisit 1971. Those of us who grew up in those times know in our hearts that East and West Pakistan were one country but never one nation. Young people today cannot imagine the rampant anti-Bengali racism among West Pakistanis then. With great shame, I must admit that as a thoughtless young boy I too felt embarrassed about small and dark people being among our compatriots. Victims of a delusion, we thought that good Muslims and Pakistanis were tall, fair, and spoke chaste Urdu. Some schoolmates would laugh at the strange sounding Bengali news broadcasts from Radio Pakistan.

The Bengali people suffered under West Pakistani rule. They believed their historical destiny was to be a Bengali-speaking nation, not the Urdu-speaking East Pakistan which Jinnah wanted. The East was rightfully bitter on other grounds too. It had 54% of Pakistan’s population and was the biggest earner of foreign exchange. But West Pakistani generals, bureaucrats, and politicians such as Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, feared a democratic system would transfer power and national resources to the East.

Denied democracy and justice, the people of East Pakistan helplessly watched the cash flow from East to fund government, industry, schools and dams in the West. When the Bhola cyclone killed half a million people in 1970, President Yahya Khan and his fellow generals in Rawalpindi’s GHQ could not have cared less.

The decisive break came with the elections. The Awami League won a majority in Pakistan’s parliament. Bhutto and the generals would not accept the peoples’ verdict. The Bengalis finally rose up for independence. When the West Pakistan army was sent in, massacre followed massacre. Political activists, intellectuals, trade unionists, and students were slaughtered. Blood ran in street gutters, and millions fled across the border. After India intervened to support the East, the army surrendered. Bangladesh was born.

That Pakistan did not have the bomb in 1971 must surely be among the greatest of blessings. It is hard for me to see what Dr AQ Khan has in mind when he suggests that it could have saved Pakistan.

Would the good doctor have dropped the bomb on the raging pro-independence mobs in Dhaka? Or used it to incinerate Calcutta and Delhi, and have the favour duly returned to Lahore and Karachi? Or should we have threatened India with nuclear attack to keep it out of the war so that we could endlessly kill East Pakistanis? Even without the bomb, estimated civilian deaths numbered in the hundreds of thousands if not a million. How many more East Pakistanis would he have liked to see killed for keeping Pakistan together?

Some might argue that regardless of the death and destruction, using the bomb to keep Pakistan together would have been a good thing for the people of East Pakistan in the long term. A look at developmental statistics can help decide.

Bangladesh is ranked 96th out of 110 countries in a 2010 prosperity index compiled by an independent London-based think-tank, the Legatum Institute, using governance, education, health, security, personal freedom, and social capital as criteria. Pakistan is at the 109th position, just one notch above Zimbabwe. By this measure the people of the East have benefited from independence. The UN Human Development Index puts Bangladesh at 146/182 and Pakistan at 141/182, making Pakistan only marginally superior. This implies that Bengalis would have gained little, if anything, by remaining with West Pakistan.

But numerical data does not tell the whole story. Bangladesh is poorer but more hopeful and happier. Culture is thriving, education is improving, and efforts to control population growth are more fruitful than in Pakistan. It is not ravaged by suicide bombings, or by daily attacks upon its state institutions and military forces.

What can the bomb do for Pakistan now? Without it, will India swallow up Pakistan and undo partition? Such thought is pure fantasy. First, India has a rapidly growing economy and is struggling to control its population of 1.2 billion, of which almost half are desperately poor. It has no reason to want an additional 180 million people to feed and educate. Second, even if an aggressive and expansionist India wanted, asymmetrical warfare would make territorial conquest and occupation impossible. The difficulties faced by America in Iraq and Afghanistan, or of India in Kashmir, make this clear.

The bomb did deter India from launching punitive attacks at least thrice since the 1998 tests. There were angry demands within India for attacking the camps of Pakistan-based militant groups after Pakistan’s incursion in Kargil during 1999, the December 13 attack on the Indian parliament the same year (initially claimed by Jaish-e-Muhammad), and the Mumbai attack in 2008 by Lashkar-e-Taiba. However, this problem only exists because the bomb has been used to protect these militant groups. The nuclear umbrella explains why Pakistan is such a powerful magnet for all on this planet who wage war in the name of Islam: Arabs, Chechens, Uzbeks, Uighurs, and various westerners. It was, as we now know, the last lair of Osama bin Laden as well.

Pakistan is learning the same painful lesson as the Soviet Union and white-South Africa learned. The bomb offers no protection to a people. Rather, it has helped bring Pakistan to its current grievously troubled situation and offers no way out.

On this May 28, the day when Pakistan tested its nuclear weapons, let us resolve to eliminate this curse rather than celebrate. Instead of building more bombs, we need to protect ourselves by building a sustainable and active democracy, an economy for peace rather than war, a federation in which provincial grievances can be effectively resolved, elimination of the feudal order and creating a tolerant society that respects the rule of law.

The author is a professor of nuclear physics and teaches in Islamabad and Lahore

Published in The Express Tribune, May 28th, 2011.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/177622/...omb/?sms_ss=facebook&at_xt=4de0b3e9cfa7dd55,0
 
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TODAY We gave HOPE to the MUSLIMS. Let us celebrate this day together and InshaAllah let us bring that hope back to the muslims.
No you didnt. One of the reason why most Arab countries don't respect Pakistan is b/c they funded your nuclear program (Saudi, Iran, Libya & Oman) but when it came to helping Muslims out Pakistan has always stood quietly. Just look at how invloved Pakistan is with Palestine...zero.

Muslim countries now understand that Pakistan having nuclear power meaning nothing. A country that can't defend itself, how it it defend them
 
DR AQ khan is not being respected in Pakistan , while people like Z. Hamid are being respceted and they have fans.

My question to Z. Hamid (fans)is that what he did for Pakistan beside talking nonsense ?
 
You want to know Z.Hamid did?
take a look at these shows;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwvhI49A1kE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN8urxWSA7c

That is right, these are just two of his many shows. He has increased awareness amongst the population, he has defended Pakistan. He has increased the knowledge of our youth. Is he a politician? Is he in the military? No he is a defence analyst and the amount of awareness concerning Islam he has spread is simply put amazing. Is he involved in murder? corruption? No. He is giving you a way, a idealogy, a identity. A true leader.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezoqnVhbaA
 
You want to know Z.Hamid did?
take a look at these shows;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwvhI49A1kE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN8urxWSA7c

That is right, these are just two of his many shows. He has increased awareness amongst the population, he has defended Pakistan. He has increased the knowledge of our youth. Is he a politician? Is he in the military? No he is a defence analyst and the amount of awareness concerning Islam he has spread is simply put amazing. Is he involved in murder? corruption? No. He is giving you a way, a idealogy, a identity. A true leader.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PezoqnVhbaA

I am pretty sure that there are other people who can represent Pakistan better than him.
Any one can talk on a Tv show, let me see him doing something :zoni
 
He was the first one on the TV to be so outspoken against america, israel, NATO and the indians. You have to understand he has not claimed he is going to go out to the streets rather his aim and his objective has been to raise awareness of the people, which is he achieving. (re)creating the identity and ideology of our people is far greater than anything :)
 
Guys, I just dropped in a thought in this thread. Was just meant to be my opinion.

Go world, make atom bombs, be proud and call it a "gift" from God Almighty.

As an Indian you wouldn't. No Indian was happy when Pakistan gained a defence capablity of this kind but they should have been.

No doubt a very important day for Pakistan and the region. India has also gained from this since both nations are unlikely get into an all out war now.

A lot of it is only an off-topic stuff, as it always goes with your posts.

In my initial post I was criticizing the whole world, not any particular country. Read this.......

How long will the world keep being proud about weapons, arms, missiles etc.:facepalm:........

Dear brother, a few weeks ago I suggested you to read my posts carefully before hitting the "quote" button, but it obviously had no effect on you as you tend to be too picky on my posts:22:.

And please stop using this "India" card as I am in fact a Pakistani.

With peace:)!
 
How can there be peace in this world when the power of balance is not equal? Enough of this bullcrap. We have millions of muslims dying, thousands being slaughtered and still we have individuals who want to promote peace? Nothing is achieved with peace. In order to attain peace, you must have a balance in power, thus, a balance in power meaning, the muslims must rise as one, united with a strong military and a sustainable economy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSUTO8chFWE&feature=player_embedded#at=313
 
Mashallah Happy Pak Day! May Allah keep Pakistan and Muslim countries safe for ever from enemies and make Pak a stable country strong enough to lead the Muslim ummah and the world.

The haters will keep questioning, let them question, they will receive their answer when Pak will rise. Inshallah!
 
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Mashallah Happy Pak Day! May Allah keep Pakistan and Muslim countries safe for ever from enemies and make Pak a stable country strong enough to lead the Muslim ummah and the world.

The haters will keep questionig, let them question, they will receive their answer when Pak will rise. Inshallah!

Add the fact that people like Lakhvi who have been named in 26/11 even by the US and the LET chief are openly roaming aorund giving speeches in Pakistan
 
Nuclear weapons is not something we should be glorifying but it is no doubt a crucial weapon to have in today's world of proxy wars and battle for regional hegemony.

The whole point of having a nuclear war is that no other country dares to attack the other.Its ironic but the nukes actually keep us safe.A nuclear deterrent is vital.

It does not give 'hope' to the Palestinians or 'da oppressed brotherzz'.If Pakistan dropped a bomb on Israel the impact would affect Palestinians as well.People need to realise the long-lasting effects of nuclear radiation.Chernobyl still affects people today.
 
A few questions to Indians - why did India develop the atomic bomb? Which nation helped India acquire the atomic bomb? Who did India feel threatened by? Pakistan? Bangladesh? Sri Lanka? Hmmmm. Let me know when the penny drops folks!

Pakistan has every right to be proud of it's Nukes. End of.
 
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Atomic bomb being a gift from god is one of the most outlandish and idiotic statement that I have heard so far. Don't think god would supply a weapon that can cause mass murder and destruction to the land and people that he created. Ridiculous argument.

More than anything else, the more I reflect upon it I find it very sad to be honest:(...... I know it is a statement made in emotion, but still stands very pathetic:facepalm:......

How can there be peace in this world when the power of balance is not equal? Enough of this bullcrap. We have millions of muslims dying, thousands being slaughtered and still we have individuals who want to promote peace? Nothing is achieved with peace. In order to attain peace, you must have a balance in power, thus, a balance in power meaning, the muslims must rise as one, united with a strong military and a sustainable economy.

Since you are trying to make it a "Muslim versus Kaafir" thread, my question to you would be how things are balanced by Pakistan being a nuclear power? America, Russia, China, France, England, India are all not Muslim powers, how do things stand equal with only Pakistan of the Muslim countries being one?

Secondly, I fail to understand how May 28th, 1998 has prevented Muslims around the globe from being "slaughtered"? Has Pakistan successfully put Palestine and Kashmir to safety afterwards?
 
Obtaining a nuke has nothing to do with the notion of dropping it, but has everything to do with declaring authority.
 
If Gaddafi had bought the bomb from us instead of snitching to western countries I doubt he would have been in the same boat as he is today.
 
If Gaddafi had bought the bomb from us instead of snitching to western countries I doubt he would have been in the same boat as he is today.
According to you Pakistan is in a better position ?

As I know, US still don't care and bomb inside Pakistan and raid as close as to the capital.
 
Different story Garuda sorry.
I know.

Point was, Nuclear weapons can NOT alone save a nation or make the nation progress.

Its an important weapon and a nation should know how much it needs and when to look at other things. But from many posts in this thread it seems a lot of ppl thing having a nuclear weapon makes your country secure. Which is not always true.
 
Since you are trying to make it a "Muslim versus Kaafir" thread, my question to you would be how things are balanced by Pakistan being a nuclear power? America, Russia, China, France, England, India are all not Muslim powers, how do things stand equal with only Pakistan of the Muslim countries being one?

You've answered your own question. America, Russia, China, France, England, Israel and India are not Muslim powers, but are Christian, Judaism, and Hindu powers, therefore to complete the balance an Islamic nation must acquire the atomic bomb.


Secondly, I fail to understand how May 28th, 1998 has prevented Muslims around the globe from being "slaughtered"? Has Pakistan successfully put Palestine and Kashmir to safety afterwards?

Ridiculous line of thinking. If you think an Islamic bomb has made no difference to world politics then I suggest you read up on Kissinger's policies towards the Middle East and Pakistan pre-nuclear Pakistan. On top of this, one can see how Israel has backed off ever since the threat of a nuclear Iran surfaced; coupled with Obama's recent comments on Palestine.
 
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Thats not the point you made. You seemed to compare Pakistan to Libya.
Nope. I donno much about Libya.

As per the thread discussion, I wanted to tell you that even having so many nuclear weapon, general Pakistanis are not safe after all.
 
As I expected no Indian can answer the simple question of why India developed the Atomic bomb.
 
Ridiculous line of thinking. If you think an Islamic bomb has made no difference to world politics then I suggest you read up on Kissinger's policies towards the Middle East and Pakistan pre-nuclear Pakistan. On top of this, one can see how Israel has backed off ever since the threat of a nuclear Iran surfaced; coupled with Obama's recent comments on Palestine.

I still fail to dig out anything from the history where Palestine people were dancing around on streets thinking that they are secure after that "romantic" day......

What about Kashmir? What difference was made to it?
 
As I expected no Indian can answer the simple question of why India developed the Atomic bomb.
Why do they need to answer ? You need to ask related question.

No one is asking why Pakistan developed atom bomb. The question is if it is the start and end of everything related to safety of a nation.

Also some posters challenged the statement where someone said due to Pakistan's atom bomb Palestine and other muslim countries feel safe.

Now with this discussion, how relevent your question is?
 
I still fail to dig out anything from the history where Palestine people were dancing around on streets thinking that they are secure after that "romantic" day......

You are looking in the wrong place. The government of Israel embarked on a nuclear site bombing campaign within it's neighboring countries. Why would Israel do such a thing if an Islamic bomb made no difference to world politics?

By the way, Palestinians were dancing around in the streets of Israel hand in hand with Christians, Muslims, and Jews before 1947.


What about Kashmir? What difference was made to it?

It has stablised the dispute; that's the difference. Both Ind and Pak realise that as far as Atomic bombs are concerned the only winning move is not to play. Nukes are not used to resolve conflict but to stamp authority.

So you going to tell me why India developed an atomic arsenal or what?
 
Why do they need to answer ? You need to ask related question.

No one is asking why Pakistan developed atom bomb. The question is if it is the start and end of everything related to safety of a nation.

Also some posters challenged the statement where someone said due to Pakistan's atom bomb Palestine and other muslim countries feel safe.

Now with this discussion, how relevent your question is?


LOL! What waffle. You don't even realise that the answer to my simple question is the answer to each and every one of your questions above. It's ok, don't be afraid, I know you know the answer it's just that you don't have the sand to answer it, but instead hide behind the laughable list of excuses above.
 
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Come on indians answer his question; btw; stop misquoting me and misinterpreting me; I said we ''gave''. Understand the meaning of gave?
 
LOL! What waffle. You don't even realise that the answer to my simple question is the answer to each and every one of your questions above. It's ok, don't be afraid, I know you know the answer it's just that you don't have the sand to answer it, but instead hide behind the laughable list of excuses above.
Dude don't be childish.

I have replied your non-relevent question. Discuss the topic in the thread.

And to satisfy you again, India don't need to give any reason to anyone to do whatever it wants for itself.

And you will say the same reason why Pakistan make its bomb.

Now no one is objecting to that.

Now if you have got the answer, do you have any answer to real topic of the thread?
 
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According to you Pakistan is in a better position ?

As I know, US still don't care and bomb inside Pakistan and raid as close as to the capital.

Give us a break and stop kidding yourself.

UK and France concerned over Pakistan nukes - CLICK HERE

India concerned over Pakistan nukes - CLICK HERE

US concerned over Pakistan nukes - CLICK HERE

Read the links above, they're from credible news agencies. Now tell me if global powers do not care about Pakistan's nukes. It's painfully obvious that Global powers are creaming their pants over the Islamic bomb.

What's the number one rule in politics? NEVER let your opponent know your weakness. Yet the world has the gall to suggest the Islamic bomb doesn't benefit Pakistan; little do they realise Pakistan is in a position of authority and can call the shots at will by playing on the fear of global powers.
 
Give us a break and stop kidding yourself.

UK and France concerned over Pakistan nukes - CLICK HERE

India concerned over Pakistan nukes - CLICK HERE

US concerned over Pakistan nukes - CLICK HERE

Read the links above, they're from credible news agencies. Now tell me if global powers do not care about Pakistan's nukes. It's painfully obvious that Global powers are creaming their pants over the Islamic bomb.

What's the number one rule in politics? NEVER let your opponent know your weakness. Yet the world has the gall to suggest the Islamic bomb doesn't benefit Pakistan; little do they realise Pakistan is in a position of authority and can call the shots at will by playing on the fear of global powers.
Yah they are concerned enough to enter your country every day to bomb you.

They are concerned enough to invade your country till your capital and pick their target and spend 40 mins while your leaders and Army were enjoying their party.

You should be proud of your nukes now. :))

And your president has one job. When he gets up in the morning. Think whom to beg today.

You are just making every one concerned with your nukes not because of your nukes but because of the kind of guests you keep in Abbottabad.
 
I have replied your non-relevent question. Discuss the topic in the thread.

Sorry but you are the guy who has a bad habit of deviating from a subject in the OP, as also seen in this thread. What next? You gonna put words in my mouth? Accuse me of swearing?

And to satisfy you again, India don't need to give any reason to anyone to do whatever it wants for itself.

Given up so soon? Make no mistake, you do not need to satisfy me with anything. In fact, the lack of response to a simple question is a satisfaction within itself.

If you feel India is not answerable to anyone, then quit asking why the OP should be justified. The OP is a statement, end of. Accept it and move on in the same way you feel your nation doesn't have to explain itself.
 
Yah they are concerned enough to enter your country every day to bomb you.

They are concerned enough to invade your country till your capital and pick their target and spend 40 mins while your leaders and Army were enjoying their party.

You should be proud of your nukes now. :))

And your president has one job. When he gets up in the morning. Think whom to beg today.

You are just making every one concerned with your nukes not because of your nukes but because of the kind of guests you keep in Abbottabad.

Er what? Stick to relevance please. Practice what you preach.

PS: I was merely highlighting your delusional line of thinking. :)
 
As an Indian you wouldn't. No Indian was happy when Pakistan gained a defence capablity of this kind but they should have been.

No doubt a very important day for Pakistan and the region. India has also gained from this since both nations are unlikely get into an all out war now.

To be blunt, it was not just an important day for Pakistan, it was an important day for Islam, and this I feel is the point the OP was trying to make (albeit the OP is badly worded).

Why doesn't any nation question Christian nations who have the bomb? Hindu nation who has the bomb? Jewish nation who has the bomb? Why do these aforementioned nations feel they have no need to justify their nuclear arsenal? Why is there a problem with an Islamic nation obtaining the bomb in the name of balance? Let's not forget South Africa who were stripped of Nuclear status once Blacks came into power - clearly there is political bias. What is it about Islam that nations around the world fear? It's not terrorism, that's just a recent breed of fear created by the West in order to control the sheeple, there must be something else.

The Islamic bomb has strengthened Islam as a whole, it has provided balance to the political world, but non Islamic nations cannot accept this fact. Why is the question.
 
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To be blunt, it was not just an important day for Pakistan, it was an important day for Islam, and this I feel is the point the OP was trying to make (albeit the OP is badly worded).


Spot on bro.

The answer has many aspects to it but in simple terms it's the fear of Islam as a way of life which could potentially cancel/balance out the current way the world is run today. Nearly 2 billion Muslims don't even have the power of veto in the UN for this reason.

All Muslims nations should have nukes, this deterrent is a definite requirement in a world where Islam and it's followers are seen as the enemy.
 
To be blunt, it was not just an important day for Pakistan, it was an important day for Islam, and this I feel is the point the OP was trying to make (albeit the OP is badly worded).

Why doesn't any nation question Christian nations who have the bomb? Hindu nation who has the bomb? Jewish nation who has the bomb? Why do these aforementioned nations feel they have no need to justify their nuclear arsenal? Why is there a problem with an Islamic nation obtaining the bomb in the name of balance? Let's not forget South Africa who were stripped of Nuclear status once Blacks came into power - clearly there is political bias. What is it about Islam that nations around the world fear? It's not terrorism, that's just a recent breed of fear created by the West in order to control the sheeple, there must be something else.

The Islamic bomb has strengthened Islam as a whole, it has provided balance to the political world, but non Islamic nations cannot accept this fact. Why is the question.

Is this why Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya to name a few have been invaded and millions of innocent Muslims have lost their lives? Lebanon was bomb constantly for more than 2 weeks not to mention the struggle of Palestinians. The facts and reality in the ground are much different than how you have phrased it.

There is no question that for Pakistan the atomic bomb is a must considering our relationship with our neighbor but to claim that the bomb has had any positive effect on Islamic countries and label the bomb an "Islamic bomb" is nothing more than feeding ones ego.
 
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