Ahmed Shehzad has now scored 3 of the 4 highest scores for Pakistan in T20Is

[msb314]

His highest score and Pakistanis highest score remains his 111 vs. Bangladesh in WorldT20 in 2014 whilst he also scored Pakistanis 2nd highest score in t20's with 98* against Zimbabwe in 2013

His 89 today against the World XI was the 4th highest score by a Pakistani batsman in T20's

For those wondering - the 3rd highest by a Pakistani batsman in T20's is Umar Akmal's 94 vs Aus in 2014 WorldT20.

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[MENTION=2016]Rana[/MENTION]

 

[CricFan2012]

All against easy bowling.

Still a mediocre player

 

[Leo23]

but its bad for the future of pakistan cricket yaar

 

[Stallion__]

He is the GOAT

Don't be misled by his average stats. Numbers don't tell everything after all, not in case of Shahzad at least.

Haters gonna hate

 

[Leo23]

with a bit of luck he could have had 3 t20 international hundreds. would have been a record.

 

[Ahson8]

Vs Bangladesh, Zimbabwe & an ordinary World XI attack.

All good innings but against poor bowling.

 

[Leo23]

and also all of them were selfish innings

 

[Abdullah719]

and also all of them were selfish innings

OK man, it was a good innings today and he deserves full credit for that but let's have some perspective, shall we?

Look at his numbers against the top 8 teams (hasn't played against India) in T20Is:



The sample size is not exactly small either.

Do you understand why people feel it's bad for the team in the long run?

 

[Gotham Cronie]

I would expect the highest scores for most countries to be from their openers in the T20 format

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Maybe if he didn't eat up so many deliveries before failing in a majority of innings, others would have a chance to post a high score too

 

[Plumb]

OK man, it was a good innings today and he deserves full credit for that but let's have some perspective, shall we?

Look at his numbers against the top 8 teams (hasn't played against India) in T20Is:

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The sample size is not exactly small either.

Do you understand why people feel it's bad for the team in the long run?

Thanks for the stats!! All sorts of threads 'll come out now in favor of shehzad. Yes he played well, as long as he is consistent and not go with this kind of over(. . . . . 1), he should be in for t20s and ODIs

 

[Leo23]

OK man, it was a good innings today and he deserves full credit for that but let's have some perspective, shall we?

Look at his numbers against the top 8 teams (hasn't played against India) in T20Is:

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and yet he is the top scorer in psl. what does that tell you about his replacements? it tells us that they are not better than him.

he is not perfect but he is one of our best options at the moment and our "fans" need to cut him some slack.

the amount of hatred directed towards him is absurd. wasim akram just said so as well on live tv a few moments ago.

when he doesn't score he is not good enough and when he scores he is selfish

he simply cannot win

 

[Abdullah719]

and yet he is the top scorer in psl. what does that tell you about his replacements? it tells us that they are not better than him.

he is not perfect but he is one of our best options at the moment and our "fans" need to cut him some slack.

the amount of hatred directed towards him is absurd. wasim akram just said so as well on live tv a few moments ago.

when he doesn't score he is not good enough and when he scores he is selfish

he simply cannot win

Are you saying that no opener in Pakistan can do better than an average of 16 and SR of 104 against top international sides?

Because if that's the case then we may as well give up playing T20Is.

He will get more chances now because of today's innings but he has to make them count otherwise the criticism will continue.

He gets undue hate but he really isn't the only one. A lot of players receive over the top hate (and praise); I'm more interested in what's best for the Pakistan team.

 

[Saj]

Needs to be more consistent in his performances.

One good performance every now and then is not really acceptable.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Now I understand why [MENTION=137804]msb314[/MENTION] rates him so highly. Amazing.

 

[shaz619]

He has his flaws but credit where due for the good performances but needs to be more consistent, hopefully he gets better under the current set up like Sharjeel did

 

[proud_pakistani]

The issue with Shehzad is on days that he is good he is really good, but on his bad days he sucks the life out of the batting completely and has a real negative impact on the rest of the batsmen.

 

[hefaith]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't muhammad hafeez also have a like a 94 vs south Africa. So this would be the 5th highest score

 

[sshakir411]

He has hogged the opening slot for close to a decade. For someone who was touted to be the next Sachin he hasn't achieved 15% of that.

 

[Leo23]

Are you saying that no opener in Pakistan can do better than an average of 16 and SR of 104 against top international sides?

Because if that's the case then we may as well give up playing T20Is.

He will get more chances now because of today's innings but he has to make them count otherwise the criticism will continue.

He gets undue hate but he really isn't the only one. A lot of players receive over the top hate (and praise); I'm more interested in what's best for the Pakistan team.

well they should start by outperforming him in the psl first

shehzad is the highest run getter in psl so far and is therefore in the t20 team on merit

fakhar zaman had every opportunity to show that he is better in this format but he flopped badly and looked a class below shehzad

shehzad is comfortably the first choice t20 opener and has no serious competition to this point.

 

[msb314]

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't muhammad hafeez also have a like a 94 vs south Africa. So this would be the 5th highest score

Hafeez scored 86 in the T20 game called SAF at. Centurion in 2013 - which I think is the innings you are referring to.

The 5th highest score for us in T20's is actually rather a surprise entry. It was 87 by Misbah against Bangladesh back in 2008

 

[Syed1]

Yeah well what has been his performance when it mattered the most. I think he averages in the teens in world events. Garbage player.

 

[Abdullah719]

Yeah well what has been his performance when it mattered the most. I think he averages in the teens in world events. Garbage player.

You're being generous. He averages 12 at a SR of 90 in World T20s (excluding Bangladesh).

Also see post#8.

World XI is probably the best attack he's actually scored against in T20Is, and that isn't saying much...

 

[Syed1]

You're being generous. He averages 12 at a SR of 90 in World T20s (excluding Bangladesh).

Also see post#8.

World XI is probably the best attack he's actually scored against in T20Is, and that isn't saying much...

Best attack


Comprising of specialist-captain Sammy, over-the-hill Badree, no-hopper Cutting and gift-giver Thisara. The world XI had a total of two "international" level bowlers in Morkel and Tahir.

 

[mak36]

Are you saying that no opener in Pakistan can do better than an average of 16 and SR of 104 against top international sides?

Because if that's the case then we may as well give up playing T20Is.

He will get more chances now because of today's innings but he has to make them count otherwise the criticism will continue.

He gets undue hate but he really isn't the only one. A lot of players receive over the top hate (and praise); I'm more interested in what's best for the Pakistan team.

That's exactly what he is saying. Now let that sink in...

Shehzad batted well in the powerplay today and his shots against Morkel were particularly pleasing to the eye. But after the PP he went back to his tuk-tuk ways until that short burst against Cutting.

For a guy who has been in the team for eight years, he has been given way too many opportunities despite failing on so many separate occasions. He is still relatively young, and his attitude looks as though it might have finally improved (although I can't imagine his CT celebrations impressed his team-mates). But in my view sometimes you have to cut your losses and look elsewhere.

To be honest, I am a little confused by the management's approach to him. They have dropped him from the test squad, but it looks likely he will be retained in the t20 squad. It will be interesting to see whether he makes the squad for the ODI series vs. Sri Lanka after his abject failure in the CT.

 

[mak36]

It really isn't that surprising he has scored 3 out of the 4 highest scores. The format is pretty new, and he has been a regular in the format since his debut in 2009. The fact he is an opener also ensures maximum batting time.

But it is a completely meaningless stat, especially without context. Why?

Abdullah bhai has already provided the reason. Look at his average against top eight teams. What has his 16.76 average at a S/R of 104.77 contributed to the team?

What has his average of 12 at a SR of 90 in World T20s (excluding Bangladesh) contributed to the team?

In other words, the fact he has scored 3 of the 4 highest scores is meaningless. All it shows just how selfish/poor a player he is.

 

[Leo23]

That's exactly what he is saying. Now let that sink in...

Shehzad batted well in the powerplay today and his shots against Morkel were particularly pleasing to the eye. But after the PP he went back to his tuk-tuk ways until that short burst against Cutting.

For a guy who has been in the team for eight years, he has been given way too many opportunities despite failing on so many separate occasions. He is still relatively young, and his attitude looks as though it might have finally improved (although I can't imagine his CT celebrations impressed his team-mates). But in my view sometimes you have to cut your losses and look elsewhere.

To be honest, I am a little confused by the management's approach to him. They have dropped him from the test squad, but it looks likely he will be retained in the t20 squad. It will be interesting to see whether he makes the squad for the ODI series vs. Sri Lanka after his abject failure in the CT.

these "better openers" should step forward and outperform him in the psl but they don't seem to be capable enough.

surely if we have better openers for t20 than shehzad they would have showed it in the psl, no?

now let that sink in...

 

[msb314]

That's exactly what he is saying. Now let that sink in...

Shehzad batted well in the powerplay today and his shots against Morkel were particularly pleasing to the eye. But after the PP he went back to his tuk-tuk ways until that short burst against Cutting.

For a guy who has been in the team for eight years, he has been given way too many opportunities despite failing on so many separate occasions. He is still relatively young, and his attitude looks as though it might have finally improved (although I can't imagine his CT celebrations impressed his team-mates). But in my view sometimes you have to cut your losses and look elsewhere.

To be honest, I am a little confused by the management's approach to him. They have dropped him from the test squad, but it looks likely he will be retained in the t20 squad. It will be interesting to see whether he makes the squad for the ODI series vs. Sri Lanka after his abject failure in the CT.

Harsh to say that when he only played one game where we were chasing over 7 RPO and no one else covered themselves in glory...

 

[Leo23]

Harsh to say that when he only played one game where we were chasing over 7 RPO and no one else covered themselves in glory...

but even you will admit he wouldn't have done what fakhar managed to do.

 

[msb314]

That's exactly what he is saying. Now let that sink in...

Shehzad batted well in the powerplay today and his shots against Morkel were particularly pleasing to the eye. But after the PP he went back to his tuk-tuk ways until that short burst against Cutting.

For a guy who has been in the team for eight years, he has been given way too many opportunities despite failing on so many separate occasions. He is still relatively young, and his attitude looks as though it might have finally improved (although I can't imagine his CT celebrations impressed his team-mates). But in my view sometimes you have to cut your losses and look elsewhere.

To be honest, I am a little confused by the management's approach to him. They have dropped him from the test squad, but it looks likely he will be retained in the t20 squad. It will be interesting to see whether he makes the squad for the ODI series vs. Sri Lanka after his abject failure in the CT.

Tbh I was surprised too given they replaced him with Shan Masood of all people.

Probably Mickey and Sarfraz still think he has potential and see him on the fringes of the national team.

If I was Shehzad - I would play it smart. As in try to cement my place in the T20 squad by performing like today consistently and make most of any chances in ODI's as well. His age is a huge bonus for him. If he does the right things - then he could be playing in all formats soon.

 

[msb314]

but even you will admit he wouldn't have done what fakhar managed to do.

Yes - must give credit where credit is due as Fakhar had an exceptional tournament and turned our batting around.

However, Shehzad has time on his side and should be atleast a backup opener in ODI's. It is probably down to him and Azhar for now and it is up to him to make most of the chances he will get. Performing in T20's - where he has now gotten a place in the squad - will obviously help his case in the longer formats of the game.

 

[hadi123]

This is one of the things I do not like about stats. This particular statistic would give off the impression he is one of the best batsmen Pakistan has in T20s. However, he has played 51 times and as he is an opener, it is him who is most likely to score a century. 120 balls is the maximum number of balls in an innings which isn't a lot so it is almost impossible for someone batting low down to score a century as they won't face enough balls. The likes of Malik, Ahmed etc are much better ability wise than Shehzad but the sheer format of the game makes it easier for Shehzad to get higher scores.

 

[Haz95]

Shehzad is an average batsman due to the following:

-can't rotate the strike. And no, rotating the strike against an open field protecting boundaries doesn't count (even then he barely manages)
-can't play quality bowling. Altho I do rate that century in SA, probably his best ever altho he's come nowhere near to replicating it

These two major inabilities makes him a liability, regardless of if he pads his stats against mediocre bowling. If he can replicate an innings similar to this again and again consistently (ignoring the horrendous dots before those 3 6s), or even show intent he'll be good to go.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Shehzad is an average batsman due to the following:

-can't rotate the strike. And no, rotating the strike against an open field protecting boundaries doesn't count (even then he barely manages)
-can't play quality bowling. Altho I do rate that century in SA, probably his best ever altho he's come nowhere near to replicating it

These two major inabilities makes him a liability, regardless of if he pads his stats against mediocre bowling. If he can replicate an innings similar to this again and again consistently (ignoring the horrendous dots before those 3 6s), or even show intent he'll be good to go.

He scored against trash even in that century. Go look at the breakdown of his runs.

 

[Haz95]

He scored against trash even in that century. Go look at the breakdown of his runs.

Too nitpicky, he scored against an attack which consisted of people who devastated Pakistan that year, including a Steyn who was bowling as well as he ever did in ODIs. Also back then this fast paced cricket wasn't a requirement and conditons actually mattered rather than flat everywhere so all in all it was a good innings. Not stupendously amazing, but good compared to the usual dross he puts out.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Too nitpicky, he scored against an attack which consisted of people who devastated Pakistan that year, including a Steyn who was bowling as well as he ever did in ODIs. Also back then this fast paced cricket wasn't a requirement and conditons actually mattered rather than flat everywhere so all in all it was a good innings. Not stupendously amazing, but good compared to the usual dross he puts out.

Except he didn't score against Steyn.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

It tells more about Pakistani batting than Ahmed shehzad

 

[Napa]

Here is wishing him a very long stint in the Pakistani national team in all formats, he has earned it with yesterday's performance

 

[The_Odd_One]

He needs to score runs more consistently. Not a bad option for a backup opener.