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In a first in Pakistan's history, a three-member bench of the special court, headed by Peshawar High Court Chief Justice Waqar Ahmad Seth, on Tuesday handed former military ruler Pervez Musharraf death sentence in the long-drawn high treason case against him.

The former military chief is currently in Dubai in the United Arab Emirates. The high treason trial of the former military dictator for clamping the state of emergency on Nov 3, 2007, had been pending since December 2013.

He was booked in the treason case in December 2013. Musharraf was indicted on March 31, 2014, and the prosecution had tabled the entire evidence before the special court in September the same year. However, due to litigation at appellate forums, the trial of the former military dictator lingered on and he left Pakistan in March 2016.

The special court — comprising Justice Seth, Justice Nazar Akbar of the Sindh High Court (SHC) and Justice Shahid Karim of the LHC — had announced that it would deliver its verdict in the case today. However, the government's prosecutor, Advocate Ali Zia Bajwa, said that they had submitted three petitions today.

One of the petitions asks that the court make three individuals — former prime minister Shaukat Aziz, former Supreme Court chief justice Abdul Hameed Dogar and former law minister Zahid Hamid — suspects in the case.

"We want to make Musharraf's facilitators and companions suspects as well. It it important that the trial of all suspects is held at the same time," the prosecutor said.

"Submitting such a request after three and a half years means the government doesn't have the right intentions. Today the case was set for final arguments and now new petitions have been submitted," remarked Justice Karim.

Justice Akbar questioned the lawyer regarding the evidence against the individuals that the government wanted to include in the case.

"The stage of investigations and [presenting] evidence has passed. Has there been a new investigation against the included suspects?" he asked, in response to which the prosecutor said that an investigation can only be carried out after the complaint is registered.

The prosecutor said that according to a 2014 petition, Shaukat Aziz had told Musharraf to impose emergency.

Justice Akbar remarked that the prosecutor was referring to Musharraf's petition in which the verdict has been reserved while Justice Karim added that the Supreme Court has also issued a verdict on a petition regarding other suspects.

Justice Akbar said two weeks had been earlier granted to the government to present a modified charge sheet. "As per the law, charged can be amended anytime before the verdict," responded the prosecutor.

"If you want to further make anyone a suspect, submit a new case," said Justice Karim, asking: "Does the government want to delay Musharraf's trial?"

"If three individuals are made suspects, the government should also submit requests to make the former cabinet and corps commanders suspects," he added.

Justice Karim said that without the court's permission, indictments cannot be amended. Justice Akbar added that no formal request had been received by the court for changes to the charge sheet.

"Without the court's permission, no new request can be submitted," said Justice Karim, adding: "We will not hear arguments on a request that was not formally submitted."

"The prosecution doesn't even know how to submit a request in the court," remarked Justice Akbar, at which the prosecutor apologised. "Your purpose was just to get through today," the judge noted.

Justice Karim asked how the interior secretary can amend the charge sheet without the approval of the cabinet. "Where is the approval of the federal government and the cabinet? According to a Supreme Court verdict, the federal government means the cabinet," he said.

He added that if the government doesn't want there to be a delay, it can submit a new request against the other suspects.

A second prosecutor, Munir Bhatti, said the former prosecutor had hidden facts from the court. In October, the special court was informed that the government had sacked the entire prosecution team engaged by the previous PML-N government to prosecute the high treason case against Musharraf.

"What action has the government taken against the former prosecutor?" asked Justice Akbar.

Justice Karim said with regards to the federal government, the apex court has issued directives in the Mustafa Impex case. "After the Supreme Court's directive is issued, the federal cabinet can make a decision, not the interior secretary," he said.

In the Mustafa Impex case, the Supreme Court had ultimately struck down notifications which were not issued with the approval of the cabinet.

It is pertinent to mention that the special court last month had also reserved its verdict in the long-drawn high treason case. However, an Islamabad High Court (IHC) order on November 27 — a day before the special court was set to announce its verdict — stopped the special court from doing so after the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) government sought deferment of the announcement of the verdict.

LHC recommends full bench hear Musharraf's petition
Earlier in the day, the Lahore High Court (LHC) took up Musharraf's petition against the special court hearing the high treason case against him as well as his civil miscellaneous application that urged the high court to halt the treason proceedings.

Justice Syed Mazahar Akbar Ali Naqvi sent the file regarding Musharraf's case to the high court chief justice, recommending that a full bench be formed.

On Monday, the LHC issued a notice to the federal government to submit a written reply on Musharraf's application in which he asked the high court to declare the proceedings pending before the special court and all actions against him — from initiation of the high treason complaint to the appointment of the prosecutor and constitution of the trial court — as unconstitutional.

The court had decided that it would hear the application today alongside the main petition submitted against the treason case proceedings.

During today's proceedings, Additional Attorney General Chaudhry Ishtiaq A. Khan appeared in court on the government's behalf while Khawaja Ahmad Tariq Raheem and Azhar Siddique represented Musharraf.

The court asked how the LHC could hear the petitions if the petitioner is a resident of Islamabad and asked for an example of another case on the basis of which the high court could hear the petition. Musharraf's counsel Siddique said this had been done in the LNG case.

The court also asked if the high treason case against Musharraf would be heard in Islamabad today, in response to which AAG Khan said the special court will hear the high treason case and has also said it will announce the verdict today.

"Till the suspect's statement is not recorded under Section 342 [of the Criminal Procedure Code], how can that happen?" the judge asked.

On Saturday, in an application filed through advocates Khawaja Ahmad Tariq Raheem and Azhar Siddique, Musharraf had asked the LHC to stay the trial at the special court until his earlier petition pending adjudication by the high court is decided. In that petition, the former dictator had challenged the formation of a special court holding his trial under charges of high treason and legal flaws committed in the procedure.

IHC verdict binding on special court
The special court had observed that while it would not comment on the maintainability of the IHC order, the members of the three-judge court were of the view that the IHC’s order was not binding on them.

The IHC, however, ruled that its order of stopping the special court from announcing its verdict in the treason case was binding on it (special court) regardless of the fact that it comprises three high court judges.

The IHC in the written order stated: "A plain reading of the Act of 1976 [The Criminal Law Amendment (Special Court) Act] unambiguously shows that the Federal Government and the prosecution have a pivotal role. The trial proceedings under the Act of 1976, from initiation till conclusion, are dependent on the presence of the prosecution appointed by the Federal Government…The Special Court cannot, therefore, pronounce the judgement without affording a reasonable opportunity of hearing to the appointed prosecutor."

According to the IHC order, the Act of 1976 reads as a whole unequivocally makes it obvious that the trial proceedings are entirely dependent on the prosecution and that in its absence or without hearing it, judgement cannot be announced.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1522774/s...itary-dictator-musharraf-in-high-treason-case
 
So the GHQ is so powerful they were unable to stop this verdict!
 
While I was sure Musharraf will be punished but death sentence?

The only question in my mind is, can a person be awarded death sentence for a crime (suspension of constitution) which was not in constitution at the time of committing it?

Only abrogation had death sentence then.
 
Why not start from 1999 why 2007? because then they will have to convict judges politicians and babus too who supported Musharraf
 
Mark my post - nobody is going to die.

Our courts are just talk.
 
Death penalty is not something I wish on anyone. A life sentence would’ve been far more adequate.
 
sad to hear this.
He thought he was above the law.

A very good decision has been taken. He'll probably die a natural death before his sentence can even be carried out but this helps set a precedent
 
The man behind Kargil war? I am not too sure if I am too sad about this. My only real memory of him was a Youtube video with Dhoni, and I liked him there. But now that I know more, my opinion of him has changed.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Court announced death penalty for Generel Musharaf !! What about judges who provided legal justification2martial law of 99? Iftikhar Ch was one of them ! Will court charge iftikhar Chaudhry with the same degree as it has charged Musharaf ? After all article 6 can’t be selective</p>— Kamran Shahid (@FrontlineKamran) <a href="https://twitter.com/FrontlineKamran/status/1206855115006717952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Excellent decision. No one should underestimate the courage shown by the judiciary here, up against PTI-GHQ nexus.
Whatever happens next, to have come up with this verdict alone is a laudable accomplishment in itself.
Watch the panic set in PTI's camp here and now: IK, who did not stop himself from leaving country when a hospital was attacked with grave consequences, has outright cancelled his Malaysia tour in defiance of this deserving verdict. Ik is surely taking the tradition of 'polishing' to astonishingly new heights.
 
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has outright cancelled his Malaysia tour in defiance of this deserving verdict. Ik is surely taking the tradition of 'polishing' to astonishingly new heights.

Wow which noora media you have been listening to? who reported IK canceled visit because of this verdict? The visit was canceled yesterday because of the talks with Saudis who have their reservations so it was in yesterday that SMQ being sent. check the KL thread to update yourself
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Court announced death penalty for Generel Musharaf !! What about judges who provided legal justification2martial law of 99? Iftikhar Ch was one of them ! Will court charge iftikhar Chaudhry with the same degree as it has charged Musharaf ? After all article 6 can’t be selective</p>— Kamran Shahid (@FrontlineKamran) <a href="https://twitter.com/FrontlineKamran/status/1206855115006717952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Why are you defending him so much?? SMH
 
Pro-military establishment people are hurting today. They couldn't care less about Pakistan, its constitution, and rule of law.

Sure, punish every single criminal in the country AFTER the generals have been hanged. If Pakistan is to be saved, the treasonous generals must swing.
 
Pro-military establishment people are hurting today. They couldn't care less about Pakistan, its constitution, and rule of law.

Sure, punish every single criminal in the country AFTER the generals have been hanged. If Pakistan is to be saved, the treasonous generals must swing.

What about the treasonous politicians who won elections under the said generals? Politicians like Nawaz who served as a CM under Zia, took ISI money in the Bank Case to overthrow BB?

Or is treason only reserved for the generals?
 
What about the treasonous politicians who won elections under the said generals? Politicians like Nawaz who served as a CM under Zia, took ISI money in the Bank Case to overthrow BB?

Or is treason only reserved for the generals?

The funny thing is that courts are ok with his 1999 Marshal Law this verdict is on 2007 emergency not marshal law where judges supported his act and even Bibi was happy with it. Guess who came up with 2007 emergency idea? Zaid Hamid the same guy who served as federal minister of PMLN until 1 year ago!
 
General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's former military leader, has been sentenced to death at a special court hearing in Islamabad.

The three-member court sentenced him over a high treason charge that has been pending since 2013.

Gen Musharraf seized power in a military coup in 1999 and served as the country's president from 2001 to 2008.

He is currently in Dubai after being allowed to leave the country for medical treatment in 2016.

The charge relates to Gen Musharraf's suspension of the constitution in 2007, when he imposed emergency rule in a move intended to extend his tenure.

The 76-year-old issued a video statement from a hospital bed earlier this month, describing the case against him as "baseless".

Gen Musharraf is the first military ruler to ever stand trial in Pakistan for overruling the constitution.

The verdict was announced on Tuesday with a 2-1 majority.

What is the case about?
In November 2007, Gen Musharraf suspended the constitution and imposed emergency rule - a move which sparked protests. He resigned in 2008 to avoid the threat of impeachment.

When Nawaz Sharif - an old rival whom he deposed in a coup in 1999 - was elected prime minister in 2013, he initiated a treason trial against Gen Musharraf and in March 2014 the former general was charged for high treason.

Gen Musharraf argued the case was politically motivated and that the actions he took in 2007 were agreed by the government and cabinet. But his arguments were turned down by the courts and he was accused of acting illegally.

According to the Pakistani constitution, anyone convicted of high treason could face the death penalty. Gen Musharraf travelled to Dubai in 2016 after a travel ban was lifted and he has refused to appear before the court, despite multiple orders.

The three-member bench had reserved its verdict in the long-running case last month, but was stopped from announcing it by a petition filed by the federal government to the Islamabad High Court.

Why is it significant?
The indictment of Gen Musharraf in 2014 for treason was a highly significant moment in a country where the military has held sway for much of its independent history.

Many of Pakistan's army chiefs have either ruled the country directly after coups, as Gen Musharraf did, or wielded significant influence over policymaking during periods of civilian rule.

Gen Musharraf is known internationally for his support of the US "war on terror"
But Gen Musharraf was the first army chief to be charged with such a crime and the powerful military will have watched the case carefully.

Analysts say the institution is deeply aware that how the case proceeds could set a precedent.

Many expect the judgement to be delayed by an appeal by Gen Musharraf's lawyers and it unclear if a request to have him returned would be successful as there is no formal extradition treaty between Pakistan and the UAE, the BBC's M Ilyas Khan reports.

Who is Gen Musharraf?
He was appointed to lead the Pakistani army in 1998.

The army's involvement in the Kargil conflict in May 1999 caused a major rift between him and then-Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, and the army general seized power in a coup in 1999.

Serving as president until 2008, Gen Musharraf survived numerous assassination attempts and plots against him during his time in power.

He is best known internationally for his role in the US "war on terror", which he supported after the 9/11 attacks despite domestic opposition.

Gen Musharraf left the country after relinquishing the presidency in 2008, but returned in 2013 to contest the general elections, when he was barred from standing by the courts and was embroiled in several cases - including over the assassination of former PM Benazir Bhutto.

He appeared only twice in hearings for treason and earlier spent time at an army health facility or on his farm in Islamabad. He subsequently moved to Karachi in April 2014, where he lived until his departure two years later.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50819772
 
Okay.

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He thought he was above the law.

A very good decision has been taken. He'll probably die a natural death before his sentence can even be carried out but this helps set a precedent

the whole constitution deserves to thrown into the dumpster anyway.

one set of rules for he rich, and another, for the poor.
 
Musharraf got what he deserved.

Now that Musharraf has been sentenced to death, it will be interesting to see if other traitors are given the same sentence.

It will also be interesting to see if leftists get this happy when traitors like Hussain Haqqani or Altaf Hussain get sentenced to death for treason.
 
The All Pakistan Muslim League (APML) — the political party founded by former president retired Gen Pervez Musharraf — on Tuesday announced that an appeal will be filed against a special court's decision to hand former military ruler a death sentence in the high treason case against him.

APML's General Secretary Mehrene Malik Adam, in a press statement, said that the party was "appalled" at the verdict, adding that the case against the former president was "formed on flimsy grounds".

"We would like to remind that this case was formed on flimsy grounds, where aiders and abettors were excluded from the case and its hearing and the former president was singled out in the high treason case, though the decision was taken after consultation with the cabinet members, chief ministers, governors, and corps commanders," the statement read.

The press release further said that Musharraf, "as a law-abiding citizen", had appeared before courts when he was in the country and lamented that the court had announced a verdict despite his request not to announce the decision in his absence.

Meanwhile, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister (SAPM) on Information and Broadcasting Firdous Ashiq Awan said that the government will "review in detail" the ruling issued earlier today.

Speaking to reporters in Islamabad she said: "We will review in detail, today's verdict as well as yesterday's," adding that legal experts will analyse all legal and political aspects as well as the impact on national interests, after which a government statement will be presented to the media.

In response to a question about whether the government will bring Musharraf back to Pakistan, Awan said the government will assess the matter with its legal team. She added that she had just found out about the verdict.

Awan added that Prime Minister Imran Khan is returning from a trip tomorrow, after which he will himself look at the "relevant ground realities and legal framework". Following this, a final decision will be taken.

When asked about the government's request to stop the verdict against Musharraf, Awan said she could only comment on this after consulting the legal team.

Meanwhile, speaking to reporters, PML-N secretary general Ahsan Iqbal said that for the first time the superiority of the Constitution was taking root in Pakistan.

"With this hopefully in the future, the tradition of breaking the Constitution will end," he said, adding that if this verdict had been given 50 years ago, martial law would never have been imposed in the country and East Pakistan would never have been seperated.

Shortly after the verdict was announced, Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari tweeted: "Democracy is the best revenge. Jiye Bhutto."

Minister for Science and Technology Fawad Chaudhry said given the need of the time, it is necessary to bring the country together.

"What is the benefit of such verdicts which increase distances and divides and by which the country and institutions are divided?" he tweeted.

"I am constantly saying that there is a need for dialogue. Go towards a new deal. Showing someone as below you, is not in anyone's interest. Have mercy on the country," Chaudhry added.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1522781/m...on-in-treason-case-to-challenge-death-penalty
 
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finally Pakistan is moving towards equal justice for all
 
The ball is in your court ..... CJP :))

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Now the ISPR are defending a criminal who didn't give a **** about the constitution and one who thought he was above the law.

No wonder Pakistan's a 3rd world country.
 
Now the ISPR are defending a criminal who didn't give a **** about the constitution and one who thought he was above the law.

No wonder Pakistan's a 3rd world country.

can you shed some light on criminal part ? wants to know whats the meaning of the treason ? can you tell me about article 6 and 7 of constitution of Pakistan ?
 
can you shed some light on criminal part ? wants to know whats the meaning of the treason ? can you tell me about article 6 and 7 of constitution of Pakistan ?

He suspended the constitution in 2007 when he imposed emergency rule.

But looking at his health, I doubt he'll last very long anyways.
 
Now the ISPR are defending a criminal who didn't give a **** about the constitution and one who thought he was above the law.

No wonder Pakistan's a 3rd world country.

More than these generals, their ignorant supporters all over media and public are the reason we are a 3rd world country. How can a criminal general, who is officially now a treason convict, be defended on such a large scale by media and public? Shamelessness at its best.
 
He suspended the constitution in 2007 when he imposed emergency rule.

But looking at his health, I doubt he'll last very long anyways.

So him suspending the constitution means that he'll be convicted under Article 6 (High Treason)
 
More than these generals, their ignorant supporters all over media and public are the reason we are a 3rd world country. How can a criminal general, who is officially now a treason convict, be defended on such a large scale by media and public? Shamelessness at its best.

Because the army's trying to defend him. So people are following the army smh.

We have a very ignorant public.
 
More than these generals, their ignorant supporters all over media and public are the reason we are a 3rd world country. How can a criminal general, who is officially now a treason convict, be defended on such a large scale by media and public? Shamelessness at its best.

And I'm also seeing people say that under Musharraf Pakistan developed so he should be pardoned:)))

Pakistan was sold to the US FGS he took aid from the US. I wouldn't called that us being "developed"
How naive could you be??
 
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He should ask for the same verdict for his father.
 
More than these generals, their ignorant supporters all over media and public are the reason we are a 3rd world country. How can a criminal general, who is officially now a treason convict, be defended on such a large scale by media and public? Shamelessness at its best.

Everyone in Pakistan defends traitors tbh. Whether it’s Musharraf, Hussain Haqqani, Altaf Hussain or Manzoor Pashteen.
 
The original Imran Khan would be supporting this decision wholeheartedly. The current Imran Khan is acting more like a yes man. Stick to your beliefs Imran Khan.
 
He suspended the constitution in 2007 when he imposed emergency rule.

But looking at his health, I doubt he'll last very long anyways.

More than these generals, their ignorant supporters all over media and public are the reason we are a 3rd world country. How can a criminal general, who is officially now a treason convict, be defended on such a large scale by media and public? Shamelessness at its best.

So him suspending the constitution means that he'll be convicted under Article 6 (High Treason)

Because the army's trying to defend him. So people are following the army smh.

We have a very ignorant public.

And I'm also seeing people say that under Musharraf Pakistan developed so he should be pardoned:)))

Pakistan was sold to the US FGS he took aid from the US. I wouldn't called that us being "developed"
How naive could you be??

so he was trial based on 2007 emergency, so what about 1999 martial law ?
 
so he was trial based on 2007 emergency, so what about 1999 martial law ?

1999 martial law was given legal cover but not 2007 emergency; we all know that by law this verdict is correct; everyone should be same in the eyes of law as per Islam
 
What about the treasonous politicians who won elections under the said generals? Politicians like Nawaz who served as a CM under Zia, took ISI money in the Bank Case to overthrow BB?

Or is treason only reserved for the generals?

Yeah you are right but I like to see a ruthless accountability across all institutions whether be it politicans , media , bureaucracy , government ,army , judiciary etc etc.
 
The funny thing is that courts are ok with his 1999 Marshal Law this verdict is on 2007 emergency not marshal law where judges supported his act and even Bibi was happy with it. Guess who came up with 2007 emergency idea? Zaid Hamid the same guy who served as federal minister of PMLN until 1 year ago!

That laal topi wala zaid hamid?
 
What about the treasonous politicians who won elections under the said generals? Politicians like Nawaz who served as a CM under Zia, took ISI money in the Bank Case to overthrow BB?

Or is treason only reserved for the generals?

I am up for a ruthless accountability. Volume 10 should be opened.
 
So him suspending the constitution means that he'll be convicted under Article 6 (High Treason)
in 2007 suspension of constitution was not high treason. It was added later. You can't convict someone for a crime that was added in the constitution later.
 
No one is above the law

Army need to accept the decision

but the decision is illegal and full of bias. Such cases are defended by federal govt. in the courts but PML N didn't during their tenure which allowed courts to manipulate and implement all the bias. This decision will not be remembered as a good one especially when they are making someone guilty of something he committed earlier than it became illegal or high treason.
 
He should ask for the same verdict for his father.

BB is thick minded politician. Absolutely copying Nawaz and Maryam style of politics when in fact they were the one who got their political career revived by Mush. If anything they should not at least open their mouths against Musharaf.

kuch sharam hoti hai...
 
1999 martial law was given legal cover but not 2007 emergency; we all know that by law this verdict is correct; everyone should be same in the eyes of law as per Islam

in Islam, you should do full justice not half justice....
this verdict is not corrected in anyway...

6. High treason.—1[(1) Any person who abrogates or subverts or suspends or holds in abeyance, or attempts or conspires to abrogate or subvert or suspend or hold in abeyance, the Constitution by use of force or show of force or by any other unconstitutional means shall be guilty of high treason.]

(2) Any person aiding or abetting 2[or collaborating] the acts mentioned in clause (1) shall likewise be guilty of high treason.

if you want to implement the article 6 , thn trial the whole all ex-corp commanders and ex-govt including ex-PM and ex-CMs and ex-CJP hamed dogar and all ....
 
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Special court hands death penalty to former military dictator Parvez Musharraf in high treason case

The supporters of the PML-N and the PPP are reacting as if Pakistan has finally found its villain, and it would be the right thing to do, except that Musharraf was only as much of a villain to the country as Sharifs, Bhuttos and Zardaris are. The verdict is flawed from every angle. I´m not an expert on law and can´t comment on it from that aspect, but the verdict would never make sense to any layman. I´m all for the continuation of democracy in the country, and it is going alright in its infancy since 11 years now, but hanging dictators is not the way forward. Much has been done in the past which cannot be corrected now, therefore there´s no need to correct this either. Alright, in the future a strict action should be taken against any person who imposes martial law and suspends democracy in the country, but digging into the past isn´t required here. Hanging army generals is not the solution to the country´s issues, and neither is hanging politicians the way forward - as much as pro-establishment elements desire it.

One still wonders though as to how a verdict can be passed against a single individual for an act which was committed by a whole team. Why are the PCO judges such as Hameed Dogar or even Iftikhar Choudhary (from 1999 I think) not tried under the same article of the constitution? In a fight between army generals and politicians, it seems as if judiciary has slowly emerged as the holy cow. Why has no action been taken against the judges who sided Musharraf back then?

One thing is clear though, nobody is going to the gallows here - not because Musharraf is abroad, but because appeals will be filed and hearings will be conducted to hugely soften the blow, and this is exactly why I think that such a massive reaction from the DG ISPR wasn´t required yet. It is Pakistan after, a country for the powerful, so a lot more is going to happen, and patience should´ve been shown. It reflects very badly on our army that such a "My way or high way" approach has been adopted.

Lastly, one thing that I learnt today is that doing corruption, looting the country´s wealth and piling up properties as a result of all this is very well a constitutional act. A much needed piece of information for my knowledge!
 
PLease give death sentence to Sharifs and Zardari as well. They looted trillions from Pakistanis, gave internal data to enemies of Pakistan and brought millions of Pakistanis to poverty. I demand a special court to give death sentence to these actual traitors.
 
lastly, one thing that i learnt today is that doing corruption, looting the country´s wealth and piling up properties as a result of all this is very well a constitutional act. A much needed piece of information for my knowledge!

potw
 
Ridiculous decision. The constitution is not the all and all, it can be interrupted, abrogated if it is in the national Interest. After having come to visit Pakistan today, people are still missing and yearning for the days of Musharraf
 
So does this prove now who actually runs the courts and the country

or are some low life people going to find another excuse to malign the army still.
 
Ridiculous decision. The constitution is not the all and all, it can be interrupted, abrogated if it is in the national Interest. After having come to visit Pakistan today, people are still missing and yearning for the days of Musharraf

Yeah we all are missing the days when the US used to treat us like their illegitimate child and when our KPK areas used to get bombed the ... out of by US drones.

Oh how I'm waiting for those days to return... not
 
Ahsan Faramosh Qom (or those who are having a go at Musharaf). He is the only honest and sincere leader Pakistan had in decades. What’s the use of the phoney Constitutions, Laws and courts when proven criminals like Nawaz and Zardari are roaming free. There is no action against Mallik Riaz (or anyone Powerful for that matter).

In Musharaf’s time Pakistan progressed more than ever before. Sad to see the demise of a real people’s Hero.
 
Yeah we all are missing the days when the US used to treat us like their illegitimate child and when our KPK areas used to get bombed the ... out of by US drones.

Oh how I'm waiting for those days to return... not


And all that stopped after Musharaf’s departure? Do you really think he had a choice to say No to Americans?
 
drone bombings actually began the same day mush left office

please do your homework before sprouting lies
 
Waiting for death sentence issued to Nawaz Sharif, Asif Zardari and Altaf Hussain . . . Oh wait, constitution and Judges have a special place for filthy rich politicians.
 
Ahsan Faramosh Qom (or those who are having a go at Musharaf). He is the only honest and sincere leader Pakistan had in decades. What’s the use of the phoney Constitutions, Laws and courts when proven criminals like Nawaz and Zardari are roaming free. There is no action against Mallik Riaz (or anyone Powerful for that matter).

In Musharaf’s time Pakistan progressed more than ever before. Sad to see the demise of a real people’s Hero.

Our so called Quam will always support the corrupt because we are ourselves corrupt to the maximum core.
 
The guy oversaw the drilling of his fellow countrymen at the hands of interrogators. He helped Foreign intelligence agencies to abduct his fellow citizens. I have very sympathies for someone like Musharraf.
 
The guy oversaw the drilling of his fellow countrymen at the hands of interrogators. He helped Foreign intelligence agencies to abduct his fellow citizens. I have very sympathies for someone like Musharraf.

You sympathise with Musharraf?
 
drone bombings actually began the same day mush left office

please do your homework before sprouting lies

Why are you lying to yourself and others alike?

It started on the 18th of June 2004. Musharraf left his office in 2007/08.

Looks like you're the one who needs to do their homework.
 
Musharraf was the best leader Pakistan had in the last 30 years (better than Imran Khan) and his tenure was mostly positive for Pakistan.

The verdict is ridiculous considering he and his family did not steal billions from Pakistan, neither did he start any political dynasty, or worked for foreign interests.
 
Why are you lying to yourself and others alike?

It started on the 18th of June 2004. Musharraf left his office in 2007/08.

Looks like you're the one who needs to do their homework.

No. It started in 2004 when he was still in the office.

no, the usa was made to apologise for it - there were 2 drone bombs in 8 years of mush, those too where on the boarder, the day he left office it started on a daily basis with a contract by your friend zadari and nawaz

these are the facts, stop twisting them.
 
no, the usa was made to apologise for it - there were 2 drone bombs in 8 years of mush, those too where on the boarder, the day he left office it started on a daily basis with a contract by your friend zadari and nawaz

these are the facts, stop twisting them.

There were 101 civilian casualties from 2004-2007.
 
Poor from DG ISPR. Just accept the damn verdict and see this as an opportunity to prosecute PTM and other so-called traitors.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Statement on decision by Special court about General Pervez Musharraf, Retired. <a href="https://t.co/C9UAMT1E4W">pic.twitter.com/C9UAMT1E4W</a></p>— DG ISPR (@OfficialDGISPR) <a href="https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/status/1206924551394930688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Musharaf era was better than all other combined reigns from PML(N) and PPP. Figures speak for themselves.

As for Pak taking part in Amreekan “war against terror”, everyone before and after him cashed in with money lining their own pickets. Its only Musharaf, who spent it on ordinary Pakistanis. For instance just look at the number of HEC funded Phd scholars in his time. Appointment of Dr Atta-ur-rehman, Shaukat Azin and other technocrats based on merit. It really is a sad day that he is rewarded in this way.
 
Sad that Nawaz and Zardari weren't handed this.

They were. It was the same main establishment got them out in the first place never mind the fact that the main establishment elected them and dumped on the nation in the name of democracy.

I doubt the main establishment will be happy with the decision. Nawaz Sharif tried that and he almost paid the price.

I am happy with the decision as it shows that nobody is above the laws and not even the main establishment.
 
Pakistan's definition of treason is really weird, in America treason is defined by the constitution as "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort".

If anything Musharraf's own opponents are guilty of treason as most of them work for India's agenda. Subverting the constitution should not be be considered treason (it isn't in most western democracies).
 
There were 101 civilian casualties from 2004-2007.

you said drone attack, stop twisting it, there were no drone attacks authorised by the gov. of pak, the 2 that were made by us, were done by them and they were made to apologies and had there supplies cut off for 2 weeks,
 
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