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I have a confession to make, I have never voted in a general election in my life. Despite being involved in overtly political activity since primary school (my parents took me to more demos than I care to remember) I have never yet crossed a ballot. I can hear the voices of disapproval passing their judgments from across the web, please don’t bother; it has been a conscious choice. Many people have been trained to see the Houses of Parliament as the only site of political activity and their vote as their only, or at least primary political activity/obligation. I was, thankfully, not raised with such a narrow view of political engagement.

However, I will be voting in a general election for the first time on June the 8th and I will – I am shocked to be typing this myself – be voting Labour. I am not a Labour supporter; I do not share the romanticism of many that the Labour party was ever as radical an alternative as some would like to think. Labour – despite building the welfare state/NHS - has been an imperialist party from Atlee to Wilson to Blair, thus for a ‘third world’ internationalist such as myself I have never been able to cast a vote for them. In truth my politics are closer at present to the Green party, of the options available. Regardless, in the years since I have been an adult, neo-liberal New Labour has basically been a Tory Party anyway, so I, by virtue of my age, missed any point in history where Labour could have even been argued to have been any sort of real political alternative.

So why will I be voting now? The answer will surprise none of you, Jeremy Corbyn. It’s not that I am naïve enough to believe that one man (who is of course powerless without the people that support him) can fundamentally alter the nature of British politics, or that I think that if he/Labour win that the UK will suddenly reflect his personal political convictions, or even that I believe that the prime minister actually runs the country. I also recognize that Mr. Corbyn is a human and as such is an imperfect ‘leader’. He was abysmal during the Brexit campaign for example and this whole sense that a left wing exit from the EU was possible via a campaign led by anti-immigrant fervor is to my mind ridiculous. It seems around this issue Corbyn was more committed to an ideology than reality and how that reality would affect real people. He is a politician, he will make more mistakes, or at least what I deem to be mistakes.
(In case you are confused that I am simply pro or anti EU you can read what I wrote at the time on my blog)

We do not need perfect politicians, because we are not perfect people ourselves. However for the first time in my adult life and perhaps for the first time in British history someone I would consider to be a fundamentally decent human being – that is, someone who does not want to kill the poor and does not routinely make a habit of rationalizing the bombing and invasion of other peoples countries under the rubric of humanitarianism – has a chance of being elected.

As well as his historical stances on Apartheid and other issues, Mr. Corbyn has consistently voted against the UK’s worst acts of foreign aggression, including being one of only 13 MP’s to vote against NATO’s horrific intervention in Libya in 2011 – an intervention that has played no small part in the ‘refugee crisis’ and the direct spreading of terrorism.

Because of his anti-war (war is very profitable) and anti-austerity (austerity is also very profitable for many) stance the mainstream press and the Tories speak about him as if he were the king of Saudi Arabia, well they love the House of Saud so that’s perhaps not a good comparison but you get my point.
We keep being told Corbyn is unelectable, in a country that gave three terms
to Tony Blair and in the world of Donald Trump. Think about that. We were
also told that he would not win the Labour leadership, twice and certainly
not that under his tenure Labour would become the largest party in Western Europe in terms of membership. Whilst the local elections were hardly that encouraging, clearly there is, as usual a difference between the blatant misinformation pushed by the corporate media and the actual
feelings/understandings of people. Incidentally Britain dropped to 40th in the world rankings for press freedom recently – we were 38th in 2016 – just to give you a sense of how full of **** our claims on uniquely ‘British’ freedoms of the press are.

Corbyn may not have the ‘electric’ personality that electorates are concerned about in these days of celebrity culture, but politics is not –primarily - about personalities, it’s about policies. Bill ¬‘three-strikes-bombing of Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory’ ¬Clinton and Barrack ¬ ‘I am going to close Guantanamo, oh no I’ll bomb Libya instead’ ¬Obama are probably the most charismatic English speaking politicians of my lifetime, but their actual policies were horrendous.

The simple fact is, if enough people vote for Corbyn/Labour they will win. In fact there are enough people that did that did not vote at all in the last election to tip the scales decidedly. A Britain led by the SNP and Corbyn’s Labor would be drastically different – though still far from utopian, whatever that means – to what the Tories have in mind and have clearly told us they intend.
Despite the SNP’s many limitations their status on war, asylum, immigration, Trident, and the maintenance of the NHS are all light years away from the Tories. Under those two parties life for the average citizen would be significantly better than under more years of Toryism and spaces would open up for those of us that with to organize outside of the confines of the system that the Tories will certainly drastically limit and even shut down.
I understand that for much of the UK electorate British foreign policy is not a priority. Out of sight, out of mind and all that, (or even worse Empire nostalgia) but for those of us that literally still have family in the global south and or have political worldviews shaped by ideas of human solidarity, this is a primary concern. The recent lessons and reasons should be obvious. A little thought experiment though if you’ll indulge me…

What would happen if in some future time the Jamaican (or any other global south) government decided to nationalize what little bauxite (or other commodity) it has left, or to default on its IMF repayments? What would be the Yankee response? Blockade? Invasion? Would Jamaica’s homophobia and police brutality suddenly get bumped up into the ‘human rights issues’ club? Would the positive trends in Jamaican society (such as ranking 28 places above the UK for press freedom or being one of only 3 countries on earth where your boss is more likely to be a woman) be ignored by media so that a one dimensional, despotic, draconian vision of the country could be drilled into the global psyche in preparation for invasion? Would Britain berate its American ally for its aggressions and force it to seek a peaceful solution to a problem in a ‘Commonwealth’ country? Maybe ask the Grenadians.

We could ask the same of much more powerful countries, say India; could the treatment of Sikhs, Adivasis, the issues in Kashmir and what Modi himself oversaw in Gujarat be manipulated to justify war should India disobey global corporate power? Certainly. Anyway, some British Indians (and Caribbean’s for that matter) under the illusion that India’s wealth will protect her indefinitely will still vote for the party of warmongers. It seems increasingly clear that America is preparing for war with DPRK (again; see Nick Turse Kill Anything That Moves) and make no mistake about it if the Tories get their mandate our taxes will be right there with them.
These scenarios may seem far-fetched to some, but when we hear these revisionist imperial morons chanting about Empire 2.0 like it’s a new flavor of sugar free drink what are we to think?

There are a great many other progressive policies – outlined in links below – that make Corbyn a genuinely different candidate from what we have seen before but another very key area – of literally life and death - in the NHS. If you want to see what privatized healthcare looks like just ask any poor American. There are countless American families mired in a lifetime of debt for basic healthcare that citizens of every other industrial country (and Cuba) receive as standard from public money. When I was 5 I got the measles and nearly died, if I was an American child born into a similarly poor family I would either likely be dead now or my family still paying off the bill. When I was 10 my mum got cancer, same story. The idea and reality of an NHS is one of the most democratic ideas ever invented, it must be protected at all costs, the Tories have made their intensions in this area quite plain - as has Corbyn. If you are so busy hating those pesky ‘immigrants’ (you know the same darkies and foreign nationals that overwhelmingly staff your NHS) that you can’t see that the Trump worshipping Tories are callous enough to condemn millions of ‘their own’ people to slow and early death because they are poor and because it’s profitable, (as the Republicans just have) then you are unlikely to be reading this anyway, but if you have such people in your family (as I do) please try and talk some sense into them, for their own good.

Lets be quite clear though, I am not suggesting that we cease any other sort of progressive political activity. I do not think we should swallow the Labour party – many of whom oppose Mr. Corbyn obviously – and their nonsense. I simply think we cannot afford, in this very particular set of circumstances, to not vote. Our brothers and sisters in America were not given an alternative, their options were one war-mongering lunatic vs. another and many of them ( almost half the US electorate did not vote at all), quite understandably could not bring themselves to vote for Hilary Clinton, despite the threat of Mr. Trump, were I an American I must confess I would have done the same. We, however, do have a chance for the first time to vote for the lesser of two evils, not because Mr. Corbyn is evil, clearly he is not, but because however good his intentions are there is a very limited impact that a prime minister, especially one violently opposed by much of his own party can have. I also of course think that it is our duty to hold Mr. Corbyn to account like we would any other politician should he betray his principles after victory.

However it would be irresponsible of me to suggest that a UK led by Mr. Corbyn is ‘pretty much the same’ as one led by Theresa – I wont do any live debates – May. The very fact that she wont debate him publicly, to me at least, renders her the one that is ‘unelectable’, in any democratic sense, regardless of what I think about her stinking politics. Aside from their positions on foreign policy, there are the obvious differences around austerity, the welfare state the NHS and view of Britain’s imperial legacies et al that make a tangible difference in millions of peoples lives.

With all the usual reservations and scepticism that we should have when approaching politics I will be voting on June 8th and I’ll be voting for Corbyn’s Labour. I know many people reading this possibly still believe he has no chance of winning and therefore it is pointless. I disagree. Even if Corbyn can register a more impressive result than Miliband on a significantly more progressive ticket it would be something to build on, though of course the aim is to win.
Going forward however there is the larger question of a deep need for electoral reform – videos below – and the abolition of such out of date semi-feudal enterprises as The House Of Lords, but these questions are well beyond the scope of this election.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE LINKS AND REFERENCES I USED LOOK AT THE LAST POST, THEY ARE STILL THERE BUT I HAVE REMOVED THEM AS IT WAS MESSING UP THE SHARING FUNCTION. BIG UPS
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Akala wants you to use your vote for Jeremy Corbyn <a href="https://t.co/XEEtlycRnS">https://t.co/XEEtlycRnS</a> <a href="https://t.co/KkBFSnaSMg">pic.twitter.com/KkBFSnaSMg</a></p>— Noisey (@NoiseyMusic) <a href="https://twitter.com/NoiseyMusic/status/861884263750393856">9 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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We must VOTE LABOUR and support CORBYN.

Tories = SATANISTS, they have no soul.
 
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Great read in the OP, he's a very smart man; is always invited by uni's around the country as a guest speaker. That fire in the bhooth, first one he did is the best ever; he is one of the few who are a last of a dying breed which was sensical old school hip hop.
 
Grime4Corbyn trending on twitter

This is a demographic who don't normally vote or care about politicians if they can be mobilised it's game on

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Grime4Corbyn trending on twitter

This is a demographic who don't normally vote or care about politicians if they can be mobilised it's game on

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100% big grime scene in London and to an extent in Brum to, Corbyn has had the backing of black folk for a while now and majority of asians to besides the coconuts. Not sure if he can win, but as [MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] pointed out a few weeks; Labour will do a lot better then we anticipate.
 
Akala at his best

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Brilliant JME talking to Jeremy

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#55357;&#56475; RT <a href="https://twitter.com/i_D">@i_D</a>: <a href="https://twitter.com/JmeBBK">@JmeBBK</a> & Labour don <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn">@jeremycorbyn</a> talk about the importance of a high youth turnout in this election <a href="https://t.co/rTBXaXRgaw">pic.twitter.com/rTBXaXRgaw</a></p>— Jme (@JmeBBK) <a href="https://twitter.com/JmeBBK/status/865155516565266432">18 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mobeen from Small Heath in Birmingham says vote for <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn">@jeremycorbyn</a> this general election. Register to vote, there are only 5 days left! <a href="https://t.co/ZpdvMOfzwN">pic.twitter.com/ZpdvMOfzwN</a></p>— Guz Khan (@GuzKhanOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/GuzKhanOfficial/status/864637591513124864">17 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mobeen from Small Heath in Birmingham says vote for <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn">@jeremycorbyn</a> this general election. Register to vote, there are only 5 days left! <a href="https://t.co/ZpdvMOfzwN">pic.twitter.com/ZpdvMOfzwN</a></p>— Guz Khan (@GuzKhanOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/GuzKhanOfficial/status/864637591513124864">17 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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:)))

A lot of nigels on PP aren't there [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I think [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] is a nigel as well
 
Tory government would be good for my pocket so the Nigels are free to shoot themselves in the foot to make me richer.

I, however, am not a disgusting excuse for a human being so could never bring myself to vote for the Conservatives.

So basically, as with Brexit, I win no matter what. When the Conservatives get a stonking great majority and all those scared white folks who celebrated taking back control all lose their jobs and their local authorities lose EU funding and turn to ****, I can sit back and go "Don't look at me bruv, I voted to help you but you was scared of the brown people innit?" while counting my money. :94:
 
Lowkey on Corbyn

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">EXCLUSIVE: Lowkey on Corbyn. The trailer: <a href="https://t.co/2csnAtWKZC">pic.twitter.com/2csnAtWKZC</a></p>— Double Down News (@DoubleDownNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/865549768860106752">19 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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Wow the celebrity endorsements keep on coming !

The Chicken Connoisseur comes out for Corbyn, MIA, David Walliams...

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:)))

A lot of nigels on PP aren't there [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] I think [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] is a nigel as well

Hi there it's Nigel, please double my council tax and continue to empty my bins once a month. Actually treble my taxes and give them to the bankers, love Nigel, ToryThug4Life. :))
 
Hi there it's Nigel, please double my council tax and continue to empty my bins once a month. Actually treble my taxes and give them to the bankers, love Nigel, ToryThug4Life. :))

:)) Nigel overly consumed by the xenophobic campaigning and rhetoric in the media
 
Tory government would be good for my pocket so the Nigels are free to shoot themselves in the foot to make me richer.

I, however, am not a disgusting excuse for a human being so could never bring myself to vote for the Conservatives.

So basically, as with Brexit, I win no matter what. When the Conservatives get a stonking great majority and all those scared white folks who celebrated taking back control all lose their jobs and their local authorities lose EU funding and turn to ****, I can sit back and go "Don't look at me bruv, I voted to help you but you was scared of the brown people innit?" while counting my money. :94:

Who will [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION] be voting :srt
 
:)) Nigel overly consumed by the xenophobic campaigning and rhetoric in the media

But he loves a kebab on a Friday night. :)

Btw Guz Khan has been nominated for his first comedy award. I congratulated him the other day, he's got to be the best Asian comedian around atm.
 
But he loves a kebab on a Friday night. :)

Btw Guz Khan has been nominated for his first comedy award. I congratulated him the other day, he's got to be the best Asian comedian around atm.

And eats more curreh then me :))

But Guz is from Coventry :mv What are your thoughts on Adil Ray?
 
I shall do my best to ensure this remains a labour safe seat

Good lad, if you don't........
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Corbyn is going to clean up on the youth vote. Look at the reaction of the crowd to him as he comes out ahead of a Libertines gig

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Corbyn is going to clean up on the youth vote. Look at the reaction of the crowd to him as he comes out ahead of a Libertines gig

I saw that also. It is extraordinary how he seems to inspire young people. But the older they get, the less likely they are to be impressed by him.
 
Longer video from Libertines gig from Corbyn perspective

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This election is about you. It's about what we can achieve together.<br><br>The Labour Party: <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForTheMany?src=hash">#ForTheMany</a>, not the few.<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GE2017?src=hash">#GE2017</a> <a href="https://t.co/weyKa82fy4">pic.twitter.com/weyKa82fy4</a></p>— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/866045327786336256">20 May 2017</a></blockquote>
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I saw that also. It is extraordinary how he seems to inspire young people. But the older they get, the less likely they are to be impressed by him.

True, with old age there is potential for deterioration of intellectual capacities among a fair amount of people. While these young men and women are in the prime of their life on every level, they can comprehend what is best for their futures and not conform to manifesto's which effectively are a death warrant.
 
True, with old age there is potential for deterioration of intellectual capacities among a fair amount of people. While these young men and women are in the prime of their life on every level, they can comprehend what is best for their futures and not conform to manifesto's which effectively are a death warrant.

It's all very well getting young people excited about Corbyn but it doesn't matter when at the end of the day, the bache are too lazy to take 15 minutes to get out of bed and vote. If your physically and mentally superior brethren had voted we wouldn't be in this whole Brexit mess in the first place.

 
It's all very well getting young people excited about Corbyn but it doesn't matter when at the end of the day, the bache are too lazy to take 15 minutes to get out of bed and vote. If your physically and mentally superior brethren had voted we wouldn't be in this whole Brexit mess in the first place.


That's true, which is why they need to vote now before the oldies vote for the tories; they're to blame as well as are the media, manifesto's and politicians which are unrelatable
 
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That's true, which is why they need to vote now before the oldies vote for the tories; they're to blame as well as are the media, manifesto's and politicians which are unrelatable

Young people need to stop blaming everyone else for their own apathy.

If you don't like politics, you know how you change it? You get out and vote. Even if "your team" won't win, you get out and vote because it still makes a difference. If you don't like any of the mainstream parties then vote for whoever is closest to your beliefs, so vote for the Greens, or the Socialists, or the BNP, or the Pirate Party (Alas, they are not those type of pirates) or the Women's Equality party or whoever.

Yes, none of those will win the election but guess what? If enough people vote for them then what happens? The mainstream parties will start adopting policies that appeal to those groups in an effort to win them over. That's what happened with Brexit, Nigel Farage never got elected as an MP yet because UKIP showed there were more than enough racist, xenophobic, Little Englander idiots out there it meant the Tories bent over backwards trying to appeal to them.

So young people can keep having a whinge and blaming old people, or the media, or the politicians, or crying that "They're all the same" or "What's the point, my vote won't make a difference", or OP's "I don't have such a narrow view of political engagement" (WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?) or whatever else they have filed away in their giant list of excuses.

None of them voted and it's their own damn fault that they won't be able to find any jobs in an economy going to crap, it's their fault that they won't have healthcare once Jeremy Hunt applies the coup de grace to the NHS, it's their own fault they won't be able to afford a house because the Tories will ensure that anyone who isn't at least upper middle class is completely screwed, it's their own fault that we're leaving the EU and destroying Britain for generations to come...

At least old people managed to stop moaning about young people and foreigners long enough to grab their zimmer frame and pop down to the polling station. Keep sharing big crowds on social media, forget to vote because you were all too hungover/stoned to get out of bed and then protest once the damage has already been done.

Yeah bruv, that'll show em...
 
Young people need to stop blaming everyone else for their own apathy.

If you don't like politics, you know how you change it? You get out and vote. Even if "your team" won't win, you get out and vote because it still makes a difference. If you don't like any of the mainstream parties then vote for whoever is closest to your beliefs, so vote for the Greens, or the Socialists, or the BNP, or the Pirate Party (Alas, they are not those type of pirates) or the Women's Equality party or whoever.

Yes, none of those will win the election but guess what? If enough people vote for them then what happens? The mainstream parties will start adopting policies that appeal to those groups in an effort to win them over. That's what happened with Brexit, Nigel Farage never got elected as an MP yet because UKIP showed there were more than enough racist, xenophobic, Little Englander idiots out there it meant the Tories bent over backwards trying to appeal to them.

So young people can keep having a whinge and blaming old people, or the media, or the politicians, or crying that "They're all the same" or "What's the point, my vote won't make a difference", or OP's "I don't have such a narrow view of political engagement" (WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS EVEN MEAN?) or whatever else they have filed away in their giant list of excuses.

None of them voted and it's their own damn fault that they won't be able to find any jobs in an economy going to crap, it's their fault that they won't have healthcare once Jeremy Hunt applies the coup de grace to the NHS, it's their own fault they won't be able to afford a house because the Tories will ensure that anyone who isn't at least upper middle class is completely screwed, it's their own fault that we're leaving the EU and destroying Britain for generations to come...

At least old people managed to stop moaning about young people and foreigners long enough to grab their zimmer frame and pop down to the polling station. Keep sharing big crowds on social media, forget to vote because you were all too hungover/stoned to get out of bed and then protest once the damage has already been done.

Yeah bruv, that'll show em...

Yeah lads lets blame the young people and our shallow views of how they live for severe levels of debt and inequality because they didn't vote for how they'd like to die because obviously that's a lot easier for the oldies who don't have many miles left on the clock so their fascination with the tories is justified because they voted; policy is completely immune to criticism as are politicians which do not inspire.

In Jeremy Corbyn they've found a leader who actually cares about the future of the next generation and listens to them instead of constantly demonizing/Isolating them. Jeremy will ensure fairness among all races, creeds and ethnicity including the young/old and the rich/poor so inshaAllah they will all vote this time round and compared to the previous gen election they are a lot more active politically so it's a good sign.
 
I also think that we need to make politics a core module of the GCSE curriculum. But our education system is screwed beyond that currently and the cuts have not helped thanks to the tories who refuse to focus on it.
 
Yeah lads lets blame the young people and our shallow views of how they live for severe levels of debt and inequality because they didn't vote for how they'd like to die because obviously that's a lot easier for the oldies who don't have many miles left on the clock so their fascination with the tories is justified because they voted; policy is completely immune to criticism as are politicians which do not inspire.

Did I say policy is immune to criticism? Or politicians?

What I said is that young people need to stop using that as an excuse for being too lazy to vote. If someone can't be bothered to take 20 minutes to walk round the corner to the polling station and cast a vote on issues that will have a huge effect on the rest of their life then yes, I have no sympathy for them.

If you don't like Corbyn or Farron then you don't have to vote for them, vote for someone else, vote for anyone as long you vote. Like I said, UKIP is a single issue party who have may have destroyed Britain forever and they managed to pressure Cameron into promising a Brexit referendum even though they didn't have a single MP in Commons.

If you don't like the mainstream parties then there is bound to be someone who is close to your views. If there is nobody you like at all then guess what? Make your own party, The Bacha Party and run in elections. It's easier now than it has ever been to do this, you don't need money for billboards, leaflets and ad campaigns when you can do it all for free on social media and you can get your message out to your desired demographic quickly and directly. As UKIP showed, you don't need to win a single seat to have a massive effect on British politics, you just need to get enough young people voting that it forces Labour/Tories/Lib Dems to change their policies to attract the youth vote.

Do young people do that?

No, they just whinge instead. The LEAST anybody can do is vote and the bare minimum is beyond them.

In Jeremy Corbyn they've found a leader who actually cares about the future of the next generation and listens to them instead of constantly demonizing/Isolating them. Jeremy will ensure fairness among all races, creeds and ethnicity including the young/old and the rich/poor so inshaAllah they will all vote this time round and compared to the previous gen election they are a lot more active politically so it's a good sign.

We've been hearing this for years and years, how the next generation is more politically active, how this will be the one to force politicians to pay attention to younger voters blah blah blah

Here's what will happen. Corbyn will get a huge proportion of the young vote but will still get trounced because most young people didn't bother voting because "What's the point?", "I live in a Tory safe seat so why bother?", "I live in a Labour safe seat so we'll win anyway" or some variant thereof.

Then the next day all of them will take to twitter to spend hours upon hours ranting and raving about the evil Tories.
 
Did I say policy is immune to criticism? Or politicians?

What I said is that young people need to stop using that as an excuse for being too lazy to vote. If someone can't be bothered to take 20 minutes to walk round the corner to the polling station and cast a vote on issues that will have a huge effect on the rest of their life then yes, I have no sympathy for them.

If you don't like Corbyn or Farron then you don't have to vote for them, vote for someone else, vote for anyone as long you vote. Like I said, UKIP is a single issue party who have may have destroyed Britain forever and they managed to pressure Cameron into promising a Brexit referendum even though they didn't have a single MP in Commons.

If you don't like the mainstream parties then there is bound to be someone who is close to your views. If there is nobody you like at all then guess what? Make your own party, The Bacha Party and run in elections. It's easier now than it has ever been to do this, you don't need money for billboards, leaflets and ad campaigns when you can do it all for free on social media and you can get your message out to your desired demographic quickly and directly. As UKIP showed, you don't need to win a single seat to have a massive effect on British politics, you just need to get enough young people voting that it forces Labour/Tories/Lib Dems to change their policies to attract the youth vote.

Do young people do that?

No, they just whinge instead. The LEAST anybody can do is vote and the bare minimum is beyond them.



We've been hearing this for years and years, how the next generation is more politically active, how this will be the one to force politicians to pay attention to younger voters blah blah blah

Here's what will happen. Corbyn will get a huge proportion of the young vote but will still get trounced because most young people didn't bother voting because "What's the point?", "I live in a Tory safe seat so why bother?", "I live in a Labour safe seat so we'll win anyway" or some variant thereof.

Then the next day all of them will take to twitter to spend hours upon hours ranting and raving about the evil Tories.

Here's what will happen. Corbyn will get a huge proportion of the young vote but will still get trounced

So an effort is being made but old people will still whinge at the young people regardless? Laziness is not the reason why youngsters do not vote and nor are having issues with policy and politicians "excuses", these are real concerns and if no one listens to them then it's not a good sign for the future is it? Starting your own party is no joke either plus how can we expect that to be in everyone's means when they are just about struggling to get by if not facing a fate which is a lot worse and many tend to be out of touch politically to begin with because politics is not a taught subject at secondary school and besides those who are not fond of policy but just do not vote is because they weren't taught anything about our political/governing system at school or the leading party's.

I will be voting for Labour anyhow so I won't pay attention to the "Labour will get trounced anyway" bit and there are youth who are going to vote this time round so am not sure what there is to criticise besides Tory manifesto's
 
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So an effort is being made but old people will still whinge at the young people regardless?

Getting 75% of the young vote won't mean much if 50% of young people don't vote at all.

Why would old people whinge? They keep getting their way with Tory governments and Brexit because 18-24 year olds don't bother voting.

Instead of blaming old people, the younger voters need to take a long, hard look at themselves because it's their own fault.
 
Getting 75% of the young vote won't mean much if 50% of young people don't vote at all.

Why would old people whinge? They keep getting their way with Tory governments and Brexit because 18-24 year olds don't bother voting.

Instead of blaming old people, the younger voters need to take a long, hard look at themselves because it's their own fault.

More people do need to vote but it's refreshing that an effort is being made now so we should support that, however to pin point the blame on them for the outcome of a general election is not right and there are a lot more deep rooted problems which we can't ignore and these include policy, the leadership, politicians and the lack of focus on politics as a taught subject in school's. But at the same time we need to address why old people vote for Tories because by the same logic then Labour could win by with same majority if the old folk voted for them without the 18-24 vote.
 
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And eats more curreh then me :))

But Guz is from Coventry :mv What are your thoughts on Adil Ray?

Yes thats what was I told, thought he was from Brum.

I don't find Adil Ray that funny. Guz is brilliant with his impressions and has great facial expressions. Ill have to pop to the Glee Club and check him out properly.
 
Yes thats what was I told, thought he was from Brum.

I don't find Adil Ray that funny. Guz is brilliant with his impressions and has great facial expressions. Ill have to pop to the Glee Club and check him out properly.

Adil Ray I don't find all that but Mr Khan is funny :))) even though I know he's not everyone's cup of tea and will rub a lot of people the wrong way for the stuff he says.

Guz is great as well with his character representation, I never realised these guys were so old especially him and Paul Chowdry
 
More people do need to vote but it's refreshing that an effort is being made now so we should support that, however to pin point the blame on them for the outcome of a general election is not right and there are a lot more deep rooted problems which we can't ignore and these include policy, the leadership, politicians and the lack of focus on politics as a taught subject in school's. But at the same time we need to address why old people vote for Tories because by the same logic then Labour could win by with same majority if the old folk voted for them without the 18-24 vote.

No we don't. Why waste time and energy trying to change the minds of lifelong Tory voters when you could be devoting those resources to convince people who will definitely vote Labour to get to the polls?
 
No we don't. Why waste time and energy trying to change the minds of lifelong Tory voters when you could be devoting those resources to convince people who will definitely vote Labour to get to the polls?

Yes they do, it's better to get as many votes possible; if we can cut the legs of Tory support that would be huge; that's not to say we shouldn't focus on the bache either, but we need to focus on buddeh as well
 
Adil Ray I don't find all that but Mr Khan is funny :))) even though I know he's not everyone's cup of tea and will rub a lot of people the wrong way for the stuff he says.

Guz is great as well with his character representation, I never realised these guys were so old especially him and Paul Chowdry

Seen a video of Paul Chowdhry ripping Amir Khan while he was in the crowd. Would have loved to Amir's face and his mrs :))
 
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I saw that also. It is extraordinary how he seems to inspire young people. But the older they get, the less likely they are to be impressed by him.

the first person i ever voted for was ken livingstone. as u get older your more likely to learn to thrive in the system, in which case revolutions and social change is a negative expectation value scenario.

also when ur younger ur more idealistic, the older you are the less likely you are to be sold a utopian pipe dream of prosperity for all.
 
the first person i ever voted for was ken livingstone. as u get older your more likely to learn to thrive in the system, in which case revolutions and social change is a negative expectation value scenario.

also when ur younger ur more idealistic, the older you are the less likely you are to be sold a utopian pipe dream of prosperity for all.

Sure.

What frustrates me is the number of youngsters who are utterly disengaged from politics and don't vote. I have doorstepped many of these in the last few weeks.
 
Best list I've seen for endorsements
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Am a big fan of Zack Sabre Jr, he is the most technically sound wrestler in the UK and one of the best in the world. A shame to see J.K Rowling in the naughty list [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION] :( she use to be my hero, why are her politics towards the right? I thought she had been through some tough times
 
Sure.

What frustrates me is the number of youngsters who are utterly disengaged from politics and don't vote. I have doorstepped many of these in the last few weeks.

I made sure my little sister would register! but she is a bit clue less to be honest but I did my bit to describe the main policy's of each party :yk then again my house mate who is on his masters course is also clue less, there is no emphasis on politics during school so people do not realise the importance of governance and how it affects them. While I was at school it was touched on during history but not a lot, I also use to do a lot of reading on the side mostly fiction but it helped develop my thinking.

You representing the LIb Dems isn't it :yk3 I remember during the 2010 gen elections a couple of asian blokes from the Lib Dems knocked on my door and were like vote for us alright! and I was like sure! and then they left :))) literally did not say anything else
 
Sure.

What frustrates me is the number of youngsters who are utterly disengaged from politics and don't vote. I have doorstepped many of these in the last few weeks.

No youngster want to vote for people who have a history of helping the elites and committing to wars. Young people don't want this on their concious. We are evolving into a global world where differences are limited and justice for all is becoming more realistic. We just need to get rid of these fake politicians such as May and put our trust in those who truly care like Corbyn.
 
Sure.

What frustrates me is the number of youngsters who are utterly disengaged from politics and don't vote. I have doorstepped many of these in the last few weeks.

some of mates are abstaintees, is that a word lol.

the general argument goes regardless of whose in power they arent rich enough to care, neither poor so poor as to be negatively effected, nor politically educated enough to make a decision they would feel is justified.

my only consistent rationale for voting has been my aversion to the hard left.
 
No youngster want to vote for people who have a history of helping the elites and committing to wars. Young people don't want this on their concious. We are evolving into a global world where differences are limited and justice for all is becoming more realistic. We just need to get rid of these fake politicians such as May and put our trust in those who truly care like Corbyn.

I wouldn't trust Corbyn to run a sweet shop. Most older voters seem to agree with me.
 
I wouldn't trust Corbyn to run a sweet shop. Most older voters seem to agree with me.

You'd rather trust someone who enjoys dropping bombs on women and children? Someone who wants to give the elite more money while the poor suffer?

What has May done to show she is more competent than Corbyn? Please list.
 
You'd rather trust someone who enjoys dropping bombs on women and children? Someone who wants to give the elite more money while the poor suffer?

What has May done to show she is more competent than Corbyn? Please list.

Robert is going to vote for the Lib Dems so it benefits us in the end either way :))

And he doesn't like Corbyn not due to his policies but is jealous because of his popularity, Robert has a stereotype against old people; Jeremy is like the cool kid on the block everyone wants to be like but they just hate him because he is so good at everything and better then he is "meant to be"
 
You'd rather trust someone who enjoys dropping bombs on women and children? Someone who wants to give the elite more money while the poor suffer?

What has May done to show she is more competent than Corbyn? Please list.

Better educated - Oxford graduate, instead of dropping out of North London Poly like Corbyn.
Promoted to the Opposition front bench within three years.
Party Chairman.
Held down two Cabinet positions for six years.
Longest-serving Home Secretary for sixty years.
One of just four women to hold one of the great offices of state, after Thatcher, Beckett and Smith.
Only the second woman to be PM.

As I have often remarked, there is a reason why Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown and Milliband never promoted Corbyn - because he was disloyal to them all and never showed an iota of ability.

He has surrounded himself with people equally second and third rate (other than the excellent Sir Kier, who is biding his time) because the first-raters have no confidence in him and won't work with him.
 
Robert is going to vote for the Lib Dems so it benefits us in the end either way :))

And he doesn't like Corbyn not due to his policies but is jealous because of his popularity, Robert has a stereotype against old people; Jeremy is like the cool kid on the block everyone wants to be like but they just hate him because he is so good at everything and better then he is "meant to be"

I shouldn't bite but I will. I have grandkids myself now. Like Jezza I can remember the socialist 1970s. But I learned, and he didn't. Look at the socialist economies in Europe. Are they all deep in recession?
 
Better educated - Oxford graduate, instead of dropping out of North London Poly like Corbyn.
Promoted to the Opposition front bench within three years.
Party Chairman.
Held down two Cabinet positions for six years.
Longest-serving Home Secretary for sixty years.
One of just four women to hold one of the great offices of state, after Thatcher, Beckett and Smith.
Only the second woman to be PM.

As I have often remarked, there is a reason why Kinnock, Smith, Blair, Brown and Milliband never promoted Corbyn - because he was disloyal to them all and never showed an iota of ability.

He has surrounded himself with people equally second and third rate (other than the excellent Sir Kier, who is biding his time) because the first-raters have no confidence in him and won't work with him.

So May's only achievement is having a silver spoon? She was a terrible Home Secretary and I assume you mean 6 years although it does look like from her face she has been in politics for 60 years.

Corbyn in just his term has labour leader has given politics some sort of respect. No other leader in recent history has inspired so many young people into politics. I read in a poll of young people he is nearly 60 points ahead. Do we want a PM who isn't trusted or someone fresh who is trusted?

I really don't know why you are voting Lib Dems either?
 
So May's only achievement is having a silver spoon?

didnt know being a state educated daughter of a clergyman counts as being born with a silver spoon. if there's one thing you cannot criticise her on imo, its her background.

i think her and thatcher's story should be fairly inspirational to young girls, especially given the disconnect youth, and young girls in particular, have with politics nowadays.
 
didnt know being a state educated daughter of a clergyman counts as being born with a silver spoon. if there's one thing you cannot criticise her on imo, its her background.

i think her and thatcher's story should be fairly inspirational to young girls, especially given the disconnect youth, and young girls in particular, have with politics nowadays.

Her background means little to her competence as PM. My point was she had it easy at school regardless of her parents or the type of school she attended. Most people in the UK can have a great education.

As foreign secretary she has been woeful.
 
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Corbyn gets the best endorsements

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We need a leader with integrity & values like <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn">@jeremycorbyn</a> to take on corporate & elite vested interests, fight... <a href="https://t.co/vuab4D8O2h">https://t.co/vuab4D8O2h</a></p>— Susan Sarandon (@SusanSarandon) <a href="https://twitter.com/SusanSarandon/status/869636265150427138">May 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Bernie Sanders in the UK this week and a few of his campaign team working with Momentum/Labour

I'm hoping Corbyn will get a Sanders endorsement at some point this week
 
Whoever produces these things is a genius

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No one spits bars like Jeremy Corbzy... &#55357;&#56846; <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn">@JeremyCorbyn</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Stormzy1">@Stormzy1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GE2017?src=hash">#GE2017</a> <a href="https://t.co/v7HQPhMNON">pic.twitter.com/v7HQPhMNON</a></p>— JOE.co.uk (@JOE_co_uk) <a href="https://twitter.com/JOE_co_uk/status/869650901727719424">May 30, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">"I love the manifesto" says <a href="https://twitter.com/katenash">@KateNash</a>, and so do I, because it is a blueprint to transform Britain <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ForTheMany?src=hash">#ForTheMany</a>, not the few. <a href="https://t.co/GS1wvxAiTL">pic.twitter.com/GS1wvxAiTL</a></p>— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) <a href="https://twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/870324091676262400">1 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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Akala was on BBC This Week on Thursday night

<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en-gb"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">WATCH: This guy nails the media bias against Jeremy Corbyn and why first-time voters are voting Labour<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VoteLabour?src=hash">#VoteLabour</a> <a href="https://t.co/Gr314vrVZV">pic.twitter.com/Gr314vrVZV</a></p>— Scott Nelson (@SocialistVoice) <a href="https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/870428078174089216">1 June 2017</a></blockquote>
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@DSRantsNBants kills it here

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Ricky Gervais comes out for Corbyn... sorta

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Mark Ruffalo is good now

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Yes !

KP is also good now

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The celebs coming out for Corbyn are just A1

and MIA zing

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Akala was brilliant on Question Time last week

He has a new book out, he's on a tour publicising it. I'm definitely hoping to buy and read it soon

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It's all very well getting young people excited about Corbyn but it doesn't matter when at the end of the day, the bache are too lazy to take 15 minutes to get out of bed and vote. If your physically and mentally superior brethren had voted we wouldn't be in this whole Brexit mess in the first place.


That's very true, it was the same dealio with Trump here in the US. Most of the youngins who hate him didn't bother to vote against him lol...
 
Corbyn went from 20% to 40% in the polls

Given Tories have a demographic time bomb and Brexit to mismanage I'd expect Corbyn to be pushing 50% by next Election
 
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That's very true, it was the same dealio with Trump here in the US. Most of the youngins who hate him didn't bother to vote against him lol...

Many people turned out to be wrong because young people turned out to vote in the 2017 UK general election in greater numbers than at any other point for 25 years and helped force a hung parliament before giving the Tories a bloody nose and broken ribs when they intended to extend their majority.
 
Akala was very impressive on QT the other week. Highly articulate and respectful modes of argument put forward.
 
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