Algerian woman denied French citizenship over handshake

[Sidilicious]

There is no definition of liberal? Thats a new for me.

Then please list exactly what are the traits of a liberal country and which country follow it exactly to the word.

 

[Madplayer]

It doesnt matter if what action was required. You can ( Insert your favorite action here ) . If the visa officer wants me to dance before he grants me entry I have to abide by his request if I harbor thoughts of entering. No matter what action a country demands, you have to follow it to get a privilege.

Exactly. And the visa officer and his country should be called hypocrites if they do it against the ideologies which they claim to follow.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Obviously the French didnt suffer.

What are we talking about here again? Whether the decision was justified or not given the ideologies France follows. Not about if they CAN but about if they SHOULD. Is this too hard to understand?

It was justified in their book because they clearly rejected her.

Is it justified in the eyes of Muslim brothers and sisters because they are upset that a supposed commandment of religion was not broken ? Definitely not.

 

[Madplayer]

Then please list exactly what are the traits of a liberal country and which country follow it exactly to the word.

"Liberty is the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's behaviour or political views."

The ones who follow it are liberal countries. The ones who claim to follow it but dont are hypocrites.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

She insulted their culture, they don't want people like that to be accepted as citizens. She demands respect for her religion and they demand respect for their culture.

We don't exactly know how far her extremism extends, she certainly has no regard for French culture.

What makes you think she was insulting their culture? Without knowledge otherwise, I would assume not shaking hands has more to do with her own culture rather than anything to do with France. It might not be extremism either, for Algerians it could be just like putting on a hat when it's raining. I think you are reaching here to try to justify the decision, but it needs no justification, it's a question of assimilation in France and the judge decided she hadn't assimilated.

Of course that does raise other issues about assimilation, but I will leave that for another thread.

 

[Sidilicious]

Is this rule written in the joshila bible?

No its the way the world works and should be.

If you cannot respect someones right of liberty, why should it be offered to you?

Also, if you are not willing to mingle with my culture, then bye bye.

 

[Madplayer]

It was justified in their book because they clearly rejected her.

Is it justified in the eyes of Muslim brothers and sisters because they are upset that a supposed commandment of religion was not broken ? Definitely not.

Yes it clearly is justifed in their book as we can see. Hence proven, they are hypocrites who claim to follow one thing but do the opposite. Thats all i wanted to say.

 

[Madplayer]

No its the way the world works and should be.

If you cannot respect someones right of liberty, why should it be offered to you?

Sorry are we talking about giving citizenship in western countries to muslim leaders who make laws in muslim countries? Or are we talking about muslim civilians who have no power on which rules exist in muslim countries?

Also, if you are not willing to mingle with my culture, then bye bye.

Ever heard of multi-cultural societies. I thought Indians are champions in boasting about it when it suits them.

 

[Gilly]

What makes you think she was insulting their culture? Without knowledge otherwise, I would assume not shaking hands has more to do with her own culture rather than anything to do with France. It might not be extremism either, for Algerians it could be just like putting on a hat when it's raining. I think you are reaching here to try to justify the decision, but it needs no justification, it's a question of assimilation in France and the judge decided she hadn't assimilated.

Of course that does raise other issues about assimilation, but I will leave that for another thread.

When someone extends their hand in friendship it is an insult to ignore them, it may not be in Islamic countries but it is in most western countries.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And to think...

All she had to do was to shake a small piece of flesh, moved on with her life for next 40 years as a French citizen and not worry about anything ever again.

The things religion makes a person do...

Sigh.

Everyone has different priorities I think we should respect that. For her she believes following religious edicts will win her favour with God. For others, doing a dance for the visa officer or shaking a small piece of his flesh would be more important. I don't see any wrong actions here, just different individuals with their own idea of what matters most.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When someone extends their hand in friendship it is an insult to ignore them, it may not be in Islamic countries but it is in most western countries.

Well that is my point, she is from an Islamic country so she might not have realised it could be seen as an insult. It certainly didn't mean she wanted to slaughter a cartoonist, at least not how I would interpret it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Yes it clearly is justifed in their book as we can see. Hence proven, they are hypocrites who claim to follow one thing but do the opposite. Thats all i wanted to say.

I am fine with such hypocrisy. When liberty is abused, when it is only take and no give, then liberty must be calibrated and terms and conditions applied. You call it hypocrisy, I see it as course correction.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Everyone has different priorities I think we should respect that. For her she believes following religious edicts will win her favour with God. For others, doing a dance for the visa officer or shaking a small piece of his flesh would be more important. I don't see any wrong actions here, just different individuals with their own idea of what matters most.

If it was about pleasing God, and God is as merciful as her religion claims, then I am sure the same Lord would not have hung her dry for shaking a hand or burned her in Hell for doing so.

But clearly thats another discussion, so ill leave it as it is.

 

[Madplayer]

Obviously the sanctity of her palm was more important for her than staying with her husband in france. She has got her priorities right. She couldnt be a good french citizen, at least she could be a good wife.

A handshake was more important for French authorities than upholding the values they claim to stand for. A handshake was more important than allowing a husband and wife to stay together. They have their priorities right. They couldnt be good handshakers because she deprived them of it. At least they can be good hypocrites by claiming one thing and doing another.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Yes it clearly is justifed in their book as we can see. Hence proven, they are hypocrites who claim to follow one thing but do the opposite. Thats all i wanted to say.

An isolated case in which the government felt that not shaking the hand was lack of assimilation by their standards is hardly a cause for labelling a country hypocrite.

Its more of an exercise of power to reject those who they feel havent intermingled enough.

 

[Madplayer]

I am fine with such hypocrisy. When liberty is abused, when it is only take and no give, then liberty must be calibrated and terms and conditions applied. You call it hypocrisy, I see it as course correction.

Nice euphemism for hypocricy.

 

[Madplayer]

An isolated case in which the government felt that not shaking the hand was lack of assimilation by their standards is hardly a cause for labelling a country hypocrite.

Its more of an exercise of power to reject those who they feel havent intermingled enough.

Okay France is not a hypocritical country in general but in this isolated case they acted like hypocrites.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Nice euphemism for hypocricy.

No euphemism. I am fine with this hypocrisy. For example, if I say I am peaceloving and you come and slap me. I respond by slapping back. You can call me a hypocrite for not being what I claim and I am fine with that. Some benefits should only be extended to those who value it.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

A handshake was more important for French authorities than upholding the values they claim to stand for. A handshake was more important than allowing a husband and wife to stay together. They have their priorities right. They couldnt be good handshakers because she deprived them of it. At least they can be good hypocrites by claiming one thing and doing another.

Rather a lack of handshake emphasized her deficiency in failing to uphold the values they stand for.

A handshake was a gesture of welcome but clearly she couldnt care less as long as her Lord was happy.

The French prioritize handshakes, she prioritizes religion.

Why should she be given preference over the French?

 

[Gilly]

Well that is my point, she is from an Islamic country so she might not have realised it could be seen as an insult. It certainly didn't mean she wanted to slaughter a cartoonist, at least not how I would interpret it.

I think you need to re-read my original post, I never implied she wanted to kill a cartoonist. My point was that it is still fresh in the minds of the French that several muslim extremists slaughtered some cartoonists and this is why they maybe a bit wary of muslims. In the meantime hundreds of muslims have been granted citizenship but she chose to display extremist tendencies during the ceremony and it ended up being to her misfortune.

The French do not routinely reject muslims from citizenship unless they are given reasons to do so.

 

[Madplayer]

Rather a lack of handshake emphasized her deficiency in failing to uphold the values they stand for.

A handshake was a gesture of welcome but clearly she couldnt care less as long as her Lord was happy.

The French prioritize handshakes, she prioritizes religion.

Why should she be given preference over the French?

Its a handshake bro.

Read this part of what you wrote again :

"The French prioritize handshakes, she prioritizes religion.

Why should she be given preference over the French?"

Do you realise how it sounds? Lol. She met every criteria except that handshake.

She upheld the French values of liberty and individual choice but we can clearly see which value the French themselves consider more important, liberty or . . . . A handshake.

 

[Madplayer]

No euphemism. I am fine with this hypocrisy. For example, if I say I am peaceloving and you come and slap me. I respond by slapping back. You can call me a hypocrite for not being what I claim and I am fine with that. Some benefits should only be extended to those who value it.

Irrelevant comparisons. And glad that you are admitting that you are okay with hypocricy. And its fine. The country gets to decide its rule even if they are hypocritical and unethical.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Its a handshake bro.

Read this part of what you wrote again :

"The French prioritize handshakes, she prioritizes religion.

Why should she be given preference over the French?"

Do you realise how it sounds? Lol. She met every criteria except that handshake.

She upheld the French values of liberty and individual choice but we can clearly see which value the French themselves consider more important, liberty or . . . . A handshake.

It sounds even worse for you (as you attempt to defend it) when she refused to do that ‘Handshake’ that you are laughing about.

If she passed every single value, why did she get stuck at a handshake?

Again if French wanted a small handshake, why in the GOD’S world did her values fall short at that last step ?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Irrelevant comparisons. And glad that you are admitting that you are okay with hypocricy. And its fine. The country gets to decide its rule even if they are hypocritical and unethical.

yes I am ok with such hypocrisy and that is why I see no issue here. The French can say we allow everyone their own freedom and become full of people who pollute the french culture, or they preserve the french culture and be called hypocrites.

 

[Madplayer]

It sounds even worse for you (as you attempt to defend it) when she refused to do that ‘Handshake’ that you are laughing about.

Does it? I am simply that the French are hypocrites in this case to not practice what they preach. While you are saying that "the French prioritize handshakes". Tell me which is laughable?

If she passed every single value, why did she get stuck at a handshake?

Again if French wanted a small handshake, why in the GOD’S world did her values fall short at that last step ?

She was upholding French values of liberty and freedom of religion/ of choice/ of riding unicorns/of playing badminton with dinosaurs and the important values which French believe in. While the French forgot about it all and started priortizing a handshake because handshake is a massive proof of whether somebody has assimilated in the society or not. Whatever, the hypocrites can do whatever they want,its their country.

 

[Madplayer]

yes I am ok with such hypocrisy and that is why I see no issue here. The French can say we allow everyone their own freedom and become full of people who pollute the french culture, or they preserve the french culture and be called hypocrites.

One person practicing his own culture doesnt mean polluting another person's culture. You drinking bhaang on Holi doesnt mean you are polluting muslim culture.

 

[mankuTimma]

One person practicing his own culture doesnt mean polluting another person's culture. You drinking bhaang on Holi doesnt mean you are polluting muslim culture.

If she can’t even follow a basic courtesy a country is following and expecting from everyone why so desperate to move there?

 

[CricketCartoons]

One person practicing his own culture doesnt mean polluting another person's culture. You drinking bhaang on Holi doesnt mean you are polluting muslim culture.

Obviously we have different views. A Hindu having an open feast during Ramzan in a Muslim country is polluting muslim culture. That is my view.

 

[ManFan]

Any country that seeks to ostracize a certain group from entering its borders, fails economically.

France is no exception.

 

[Madplayer]

If she can’t even follow a basic courtesy a country is following and expecting from everyone why so desperate to move there?

Er. Because her husband is there?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Er. Because her husband is there?

Then shake the damn hand and be with her husband.

Instead of 75 posts trying to swear she did nothing wrong by refusing to offer her palm.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Er. Because her husband is there?

If she thought not shaking hands was more important than staying in France with her husband, the husband should move to whichever country ( willing to accept her) where she can practice her no hand shake principle. Why should France take the burden of accommodating someone, when someone is not willing to give an inch.

 

[Varun]

Any country that seeks to ostracize a certain group from entering its borders, fails economically.

France is no exception.

It's not trying to ostracize a certain group, just a bunch of weirdos in said group.

 

[ManFan]

It's not trying to ostracize a certain group, just a bunch of weirdos in said group.

France has been particularly hardline on immigration.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is this rule written in the joshila bible?

No. This is calling out the hypocrisy. Muslim countries wont allow foreigners to follow their culture but want other countries to respect muslim culture. This type of hypocrisy is more and more being called out in the world. Deal with it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If it was about pleasing God, and God is as merciful as her religion claims, then I am sure the same Lord would not have hung her dry for shaking a hand or burned her in Hell for doing so.

But clearly thats another discussion, so ill leave it as it is.

I'm sure you are right, but I was thinking what was in her mind not yours.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think you need to re-read my original post, I never implied she wanted to kill a cartoonist. My point was that it is still fresh in the minds of the French that several muslim extremists slaughtered some cartoonists and this is why they maybe a bit wary of muslims. In the meantime hundreds of muslims have been granted citizenship but she chose to display extremist tendencies during the ceremony and it ended up being to her misfortune.

The French do not routinely reject muslims from citizenship unless they are given reasons to do so.

No I can understand that the French might be wary of terrorists, but I have more respect for the French judiciary to think they would be allow that to cloud their judgement. If anything I would have thought a terrorist would be far more conniving in attempting to enter the country if slaughtering cartoonists or blowing up buildings was their aim.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No. This is calling out the hypocrisy. Muslim countries wont allow foreigners to follow their culture but want other countries to respect muslim culture. This type of hypocrisy is more and more being called out in the world. Deal with it.

There is no hypocrisy here. Muslim countries are the same as any other country, they all have certain protocols which need to be respected. The issue here was simply one of clarity. I myself was unaware that shaking hands was a necessary part of obtaining citizenship in France. It may be a new stipulation or a just this judge's personal rule which may now be adopted as a new standard.

 

[Varun]

There is no hypocrisy here. Muslim countries are the same as any other country, they all have certain protocols which need to be respected. The issue here was simply one of clarity. I myself was unaware that shaking hands was a necessary part of obtaining citizenship in France. It may be a new stipulation or a just this judge's personal rule which may now be adopted as a new standard.

A handshake is likely not part of a list of things requisite for French citizenship. However, refusing to do so raised adequate red flags for the judge to think that this woman wouldn't be a good fit into French society after all. I'm sure there are provisions in the law for a judge to exercise his or her subjectivity, as on this occasion.

 

[troodon]

No. This is calling out the hypocrisy. Muslim countries wont allow foreigners to follow their culture but want other countries to respect muslim culture. This type of hypocrisy is more and more being called out in the world. Deal with it.

The defense here is, Muslim countries do not claim to be welcoming and secular and democratic. But Western nations claim to be all welcoming and secular and democratic.

So the onus is on Western countries to prove that they can bend over backwards to look secular at all costs. Different yardsticks of measurements.

 

[troodon]

A handshake is likely not part of a list of things requisite for French citizenship. However, refusing to do so raised adequate red flags for the judge to think that this woman wouldn't be a good fit into French society after all. I'm sure there are provisions in the law for a judge to exercise his or her subjectivity, as on this occasion.

May be she could have worn a glove or a mitten and shaken hands with the judge. No skin to skin contact and no guilty feeling.

 

[Varun]

May be she could have worn a glove or a mitten and shaken hands with the judge. No skin to skin contact and no guilty feeling.

An easy solution, but she's probably spent so much of her life learning how to feel offended versus coming up with practical brainwaves that would actually help her day to day.

Back to Algiers she goes.

 

[Robert]

They came to her country, the sense of entitlement Europeans have despite colonialism is absolutely appalling.

If French people intend to emigrate to Pakistan I would expect them to adopt local ways.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A handshake is likely not part of a list of things requisite for French citizenship. However, refusing to do so raised adequate red flags for the judge to think that this woman wouldn't be a good fit into French society after all. I'm sure there are provisions in the law for a judge to exercise his or her subjectivity, as on this occasion.

Which is what I said to joshila bhai, this is not a case of "Muslim countries wont allow foreigners to follow their culture but want other countries to respect muslim culture", but more a lack of clarity. Shaking of hands was probably not a requisite for citizenship so how would the woman know that the judge is going to exercise his subjectivity in that way? Understand, I am not criticising the judge's decision, merely pointing to the lack of clarity in such situations.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If French people intend to emigrate to Pakistan I would expect them to adopt local ways.

I don't know about French people, but when Brits move abroad they usually just set up little British enclaves and form a little Britain in the sun. That's certainly true in Spain and the Gulf countries, although you would expect them to be sensitive to local culture as well.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

An easy solution, but she's probably spent so much of her life learning how to feel offended versus coming up with practical brainwaves that would actually help her day to day.

Back to Algiers she goes.

I think it was the judge who was offended in this case, not the woman.

 

[Gilly]

Which is what I said to joshila bhai, this is not a case of "Muslim countries wont allow foreigners to follow their culture but want other countries to respect muslim culture", but more a lack of clarity. Shaking of hands was probably not a requisite for citizenship so how would the woman know that the judge is going to exercise his subjectivity in that way? Understand, I am not criticising the judge's decision, merely pointing to the lack of clarity in such situations.

It still is on her, if I were to consider gaining citizenship in another country it would be my responsibility to do the research on the local customs and protocols of that country. It seems her husband is French so she would have knowledge of customs and rituals of the French people. It is up to the immigrant to make sure they understand how they will intergrate into the community and show they are willing and respectful.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It still is on her, if I were to consider gaining citizenship in another country it would be my responsibility to do the research on the local customs and protocols of that country. It seems her husband is French so she would have knowledge of customs and rituals of the French people. It is up to the immigrant to make sure they understand how they will intergrate into the community and show they are willing and respectful.

Well I don't disagree that she failed to prepare, or that it was right to reject her application, just don't think it is right to be making assumptions that failing to shake hands was an attempted insult or could be an indicator of terrorist tendencies.

 

[R3verse Swing]

How can someone call the West free, and then if one wants to practice their religion freely in the West, they should move else where?

I do wonder if the ceremony executive was a female, would the Algerian have shaken her hand then?

Shaking hands is typically done between men, anyone saying otherwise, was either born yesterday or is being deliberately obtrusive.

 

[DeadBall]

I don't know about French people, but when Brits move abroad they usually just set up little British enclaves and form a little Britain in the sun. That's certainly true in Spain and the Gulf countries, although you would expect them to be sensitive to local culture as well.

They set up their enclaves in the Gulf countries but are still expats and not local citizens. If they apply for local citizenship then they will have to conform to everything that comes with it.

 

[Gilly]

How can someone call the West free, and then if one wants to practice their religion freely in the West, they should move else where?

.

If a person is so extreme in their religion that it overrides the local customs and laws then yes move elsewhere.

 

[R3verse Swing]

If a person is so extreme in their religion that it overrides the local customs and laws then yes move elsewhere.

Shaking hands is a local Western custom and law?

I think the issue here is a female not wanting to shake the hand of a male.

You do not see males frisking females at an airport security for example. This is acceptable in the West and prescribed by law, but a female refusing to shake the hand of a male, and it's religious extremism? Don't think so.

 

[troodon]

I think it was the judge who was offended in this case, not the woman.

First she got offended and then he got offended and off goes the plane.

 

[Robert]

I don't know about French people, but when Brits move abroad they usually just set up little British enclaves and form a little Britain in the sun. That's certainly true in Spain and the Gulf countries, although you would expect them to be sensitive to local culture as well.

Yes, I would certainly learn Spanish and strive to absorb the culture outside the Little Englander enclave.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

First she got offended and then he got offended and off goes the plane.

Did she get offended? I didn't read that anywhere, so I just assumed she didn't shake hands because maybe it's some taboo in Algerian culture. It was Varun who was proposing that she had spent too much time in her life learning how to feel offended, I'm not sure that we can assume that is true.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes, I would certainly learn Spanish and strive to absorb the culture outside the Little Englander enclave.

I'm sure you would Rob, but obviously there are plenty who don't so we need to be mindful that we aren't expecting different standards from others than we do for our own.

 

[Robert]

I'm sure you would Rob, but obviously there are plenty who don't so we need to be mindful that we aren't expecting different standards from others than we do for our own.

The discussion is about France and French values.

 

[Gilly]

French are generally racist and it's a trash nation. She's better of in Algeria where they wont force to shake hands with anyone.

Which race are the French racist against or is that just a throw away line to discredit the French.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The discussion is about France and French values.

Yes but lots of non-French people are being very judgemental in this thread, my remarks are aimed at them to help them see if they can apply the same standards at home.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Which race are the French racist against or is that just a throw away line to discredit the French.

Mostly agaisnt brown people from North Africa such as Morocans and Algerians. Black people have also been subjected to a lot of racism in France. Jews have suffered too. I've been to France many times, the people are rude, arrogant and certainly many are racist.

 

[Josh]

Mostly agaisnt brown people from North Africa such as Morocans and Algerians. Black people have also been subjected to a lot of racism in France. Jews have suffered too. I've been to France many times, the people are rude, arrogant and certainly many are racist.

For her not shaking hand with a man is more important than being a french citizen. Hand shaking is in no way against any Islamic values. This is ridiculous of her to behave this way.

Berbers acting like salafi Arabs.

 

[Gilly]

Mostly agaisnt brown people from North Africa such as Morocans and Algerians. Black people have also been subjected to a lot of racism in France. Jews have suffered too. I've been to France many times, the people are rude, arrogant and certainly many are racist.

In what way are they racist, I have been to France several times and never found any forms of racism. I did a study with a tourist outfit and intermingled with plenty of migrants and none expressed any problems with racism and were very happy with their lot in France. I'm sure you are familiar with the French pfttt, it took us days to finally get a response.

 

[James]

Isn’t it a bit extreme to deny somebody citizenship when they have been married to a citizen of the potentially adoptive country for 8 years?

Surely the French can arrange an alternative way of confirming the citizenship to shaking the hand of an official - how about a bow or a courtesy or something? Or nothing at all - why is such a tiny gesture so important?

If the French are not prepared to change this slight thing to accommodate a foreign woman, the most likely conclusion would be racism.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Mostly agaisnt brown people from North Africa such as Morocans and Algerians. Black people have also been subjected to a lot of racism in France. Jews have suffered too. I've been to France many times, the people are rude, arrogant and certainly many are racist.

Why have you been many times to France if it's racist and the people are rude? Just curious, but for me the people who live there are a big part of any experience abroad.

 

[KingKhanWC]

For her not shaking hand with a man is more important than being a french citizen. Hand shaking is in no way against any Islamic values. This is ridiculous of her to behave this way.

Berbers acting like salafi Arabs.

I dont see a problem with it but religion is a personal thing. If she felt it was against her religious values, we cannot judge. Sorry if I missed any earlier post of yours but do you think it's ok to refuse her for this reason alone?

 

[Josh]

Mostly agaisnt brown people from North Africa such as Morocans and Algerians. Black people have also been subjected to a lot of racism in France. Jews have suffered too. I've been to France many times, the people are rude, arrogant and certainly many are racist.

I have seen North African Berbers and Arabs being more racists to blacks and south Asians.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In what way are they racist, I have been to France several times and never found any forms of racism. I did a study with a tourist outfit and intermingled with plenty of migrants and none expressed any problems with racism and were very happy with their lot in France. I'm sure you are familiar with the French pfttt, it took us days to finally get a response.

Please google France and racism or just read these.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-24864086/nabila-ramdani-racism-in-france-is-a-latent-problem

https://www.thelocal.fr/20171228/new-york-times-blasts-france-for-failing-to-face-up-to-racism

https://www.thelocal.fr/20180201/fr...-jews-and-muslims-despite-drop-in-racist-acts

 

[Josh]

I dont see a problem with it but religion is a personal thing. If she felt it was against her religious values, we cannot judge. Sorry if I missed any earlier post of yours but do you think it's ok to refuse her for this reason alone?

No it's not okay to reject I think if she fulfills all other conditions. But some. Cases are subjective to the discussion being held there. I think it was wrong from both the sides.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why have you been many times to France if it's racist and the people are rude? Just curious, but for me the people who live there are a big part of any experience abroad.

I enjoy travelling to Europe by car and the quickest route is via France through the tunnel. I now only stop if I need to, can't stand the people in general and the country isn't anything special either.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I have seen North African Berbers and Arabs being more racists to blacks and south Asians.

Racism exists in every culture. This thread is about France which I why I only pointed out my opinion of them.

 

[Varun]

I enjoy travelling to Europe by car and the quickest route is via France through the tunnel. I now only stop if I need to, can't stand the people in general and the country isn't anything special either.

It's a country of 60 million. And guess how many tourists visit it each year? Another 60 million.

Those folks clearly think otherwise.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's a country of 60 million. And guess how many tourists visit it each year? Another 60 million.

Those folks clearly think otherwise.

I didnt realise you have spoken to all 60 million French tourists, what a guy you are .

Im basing this on my experiences, the expriences of others who I have spoken to and what I have read in the media.

How did you find France in this regard?

 

[Varun]

I didnt realise you have spoken to all 60 million French tourists, what a guy you are .

Im basing this on my experiences, the expriences of others who I have spoken to and what I have read in the media.

While you clearly have spoken to all 60 million residents. We make a nice team.

 

[KingKhanWC]

While you clearly have spoken to all 60 million residents. We make a nice team.

Aye? Did you miss this?

"Im basing this on my experiences, the expriences of others who I have spoken to and what I have read in the media."

So how did you find France or have you never been?

 

[DeadBall]

France is only 25 kms from where I live. I go to Lauterbourg and surrounding areas every other week during the summer to fish. They are a very relaxed, laid back and casual people (more like the Italians, Spanish and Romanianas) unlike the Germans. Also once you pass the border you immediately realize you are in a laid back country especially after passing through the German border.

 

[DeadBall]

Stay on topic please. no need to bring natives of other countries into the discussion.

 

[JaDed]

Amazing how everyone's experiences confirms with their bias.

Ask the same people about country which confirms with their bias and the answer would be positive one.

 

[Gilly]

France is only 25 kms from where I live. I go to Lauterbourg and surrounding areas every other week during the summer to fish. They are a very relaxed, laid back and casual people (more like the Italians, Spanish and Romanianas) unlike the Germans. Also once you pass the border you immediately realize you are in a laid back country especially after passing through the German border.

Do you find the French racist?.

 

[DeadBall]

Do you find the French racist?.

Can't speak regarding the whole French population but almost all of my interactions with them has been positive. Since I live in a city next to the border so both German and French is spoken and taught in schools in a 60 km radius. I also remember 5 years ago when I first went fishing and my German wasn't that good but they tried to speak English in the fishing supplies shop and then when I went to the makeshift kiosk at the Rhine for some food. I also travel to Strassbourg frequently and the people were all really nice.

 

[WildSwing]

They came to her country, the sense of entitlement Europeans have despite colonialism is absolutely appalling.

Kinda agree with that, europeans have committed some of the worst crimes in human history, they have taken over the lands of other people, they have already overpopulated the earth and spread all over the world like a virus, their entire wealth and "development" is built on looting others and then they have the gall to preach morality and values to the rest of the world, absolutely pathetic