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Cricket Warrior said:
It wouldn't be considered a choke because Pakistan won that World Cup when he was ruled out in 1992.
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He did play in 1996 and his last 2 overs was the difference between Pakistan win and loss in the end. He did not play in 1999 and we all know what happened in 2003. So he should definitely be in the list.
 
Ab Fan said:
Pick any former or current player from any team and era to make your All Time World Chokers XI... Remember you are picking the Chokers XI, so the first criteria should be the player should be good enough but chokes in big matches.

QDk(wkt)
Amla
Kohli(c)
ABD
Yousuf
Misbah(v/c)
Klusenar
Lyon
Waqar
Donald
Bumrah

Honourable mention - Trent Boult

Appreciate the participation!
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Kohli has won a world cup though
So not him. He is but he isn't.

Rest I agree. Would say Kane?
 
Ab Fan said:
Players who have performed in World Cup knockouts are not chokers.

Hence, Faf, ABDV and Miller are not chokers in my opinion.

Amla, Qdk, G Smith, Cronje, Markram are chokers.
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ABD is a choker.. no two way about it.. missed one of the easiest runout in the history of game..
 
Kohli has now done more than Sachin in World cup knockouts.
This knock alone is better than anything Sachin did in KOs.
 
Smbhayi said:
ABD is a choker.. no two way about it.. missed one of the easiest runout in the history of game..
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Performed in knockouts so I don't agree on it. Amla, Steyn and Qdk are the biggest chokers and so are Kallis and G Smith.
 
Qdk
Gary kirsten
amla
Sachin
Jacques kalis
Abd
Chris cairns
Alan donald
Murali
Waqar 
Bumrah
 
Laughable to put QDK in this list. He is as good as Gilchrist if not better.

A GOAT contender in his position.
 
Steyn is not even close to a choker - how is he even in this discussion? He only played 4 knockout round games in his career and his averages across them is great - 21 average which is lower than his ODI career average.

On top of that, he played in almost every type of condition and destroyed the opposition in Test cricket which is worth far more than ODI or T20.
 
160KPH said:
Steyn is not even close to a choker - how is he even in this discussion? He only played 4 knockout round games in his career and his averages across them is great - 21 average which is lower than his ODI career average.

On top of that, he played in almost every type of condition and destroyed the opposition in Test cricket which is worth far more than ODI or T20.
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Steyn is Lumber 1 choker.
Always in ko matches he chokes.
 
This thread is about the choker 11. Not to discuss the individual player performance here. For me, South Africa and New Zealand both qualify for that title.
 
kron said:
Steyn is Lumber 1 choker.
Always in ko matches he chokes.
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He played 4 KO matches and had the following figures:
2-42
4-34
1-18
1-76

And in the 1-76 game he had a dodgy hamstring. His overall stats sit at having an average of 21 in knockouts. That's not choking.
 
160KPH said:
He played 4 KO matches and had the following figures:
2-42
4-34
1-18
1-76

And in the 1-76 game he had a dodgy hamstring. His overall stats sit at having an average of 21 in knockouts. That's not choking.
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Average of 34. 3 appearances in ko stages including semis and 2 qfs.

That's pretty Mediocre.

Also he never even helped his team get to semi final stage in champions trophy either.
 
kron said:
Average of 34. 3 appearances in ko stages including semis and 2 qfs.

That's pretty Mediocre.

Also he never even helped his team get to semi final stage in champions trophy either.
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I see, you're looking at just ICC tournaments. He went 4/34 against Australia in the final of a Tri-Series.

His overall record in World Cups is 14 matches where he took 23 wickets at a 23 average and 30 SR. All of those numbers are better than his career ODI numbers so if anything he elevates his game during tournaments.

But where he really always shined was Test Cricket anyway. How can you call someone a choker when they consistently went into countries which are not that great for fast bowling and managed to crush everyone? Does any overseas fast bowler have such a good record in India?
 
kron said:
Hold up hold up.
Bumrah 4 matches in ko stages including champions trophy and world cups.

Average of 54 lol laughable
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Was legitimately shocking seeing such a complete bowler spraying it around with so many wides in that opening spell.
 
160KPH said:
I see, you're looking at just ICC tournaments. He went 4/34 against Australia in the final of a Tri-Series.

His overall record in World Cups is 14 matches where he took 23 wickets at a 23 average and 30 SR. All of those numbers are better than his career ODI numbers so if anything he elevates his game during tournaments.

But where he really always shined was Test Cricket anyway. How can you call someone a choker when they consistently went into countries which are not that great for fast bowling and managed to crush everyone? Does any overseas fast bowler have such a good record in India?
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I mean specially just odi tournaments. Failed to get his team into semis in championship trophy. Averaged 49 vs england.

Average vs englsnd in England for tests too.

Average record in u.a.e

But still he is a great test player. No doubt.

In Australia he only averages 28 which very good but not great.
 
Mamoon said:
Laughable to put QDK in this list. He is as good as Gilchrist if not better.

A GOAT contender in his position.
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When has he performed in semi finals or finals?

Irrespective of him being a goat player he'd never been a clutch player during knock put games.

Gilly was a knockout performer.
 
mominsaigol said:
When has he performed in semi finals or finals?

Irrespective of him being a goat player he'd never been a clutch player during knock put games.

Gilly was a knockout performer.
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Gilchrist was utter rubbish in semifinals. He has played 7-8 semifinals and failed spectacularly in all of them, but he played for a GOAT team that carried him to the finals almost every time and gave him opportunities to make amends.

If his team wasn’t so strong, Gilchrist would be remembered as a “choker” but now the perception is that he was a big match player.

If South Africa could carry QDK to numerous finals, he would also perform in a few on flat decks and be remembered as a big match player.

Perception and circumstances are everything.
 
Just bcoz Qdk didn’t score in knockout doesn’t mean he is a choker and can be tagged alongside Amla.

South Africa probably had their best ever run in a world cup and QDK was instrumental in this, lets not put him alongside Amla who failed to actually do anything worthwhile in World cups.

Qdk is up there as the best ever SA player in world cups
 
mominsaigol said:
When has he performed in semi finals or finals?

Irrespective of him being a goat player he'd never been a clutch player during knock put games.

Gilly was a knockout performer.
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How many did he actually play?
If you play a couple of knockouts and fail in those, you shouldn’t be qualified as a choker.

If we are gonna analyse this way than many big names will fall inside this bracket
 
Mamoon said:
Gilchrist was utter rubbish in semifinals. He has played 7-8 semifinals and failed spectacularly in all of them, but he played for a GOAT team that carried him to the finals almost every time and gave him opportunities to make amends.

If his team wasn’t so strong, Gilchrist would be remembered as a “choker” but now the perception is that he was a big match player.

If South Africa could carry QDK to numerous finals, he would also perform in a few on flat decks and be remembered as a big match player.

Perception and circumstances are everything.
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Lol. What "logic" is that? Should we now count some imaginary performances from qdk?

Fact is Gilchrist performed in 3 consecutive worldcup finals. You don't need to perform every game.

Qdk has done nothing compared to Gilchrist. Whatever he could have done is another coulda woulda futile argument.
 
QDK might be a choker, yes it's debatable but we won't need that because 2 keepers slot already cemented by "A class " chokers ABDV and Boucher
 
Marooned said:
Lol. What "logic" is that? Should we now count some imaginary performances from qdk?

Fact is Gilchrist performed in 3 consecutive worldcup finals. You don't need to perform every game.

Qdk has done nothing compared to Gilchrist. Whatever he could have done is another coulda woulda futile argument.
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The logic is that there is a fine line between a so-called choker and a big match player. Gilchrist was phenomenal in Tests but overrated in ODIs.

QDK deserves a lot more respect on this forum than he does. He has been a mighty player for South Africa and certainly their most impactful ODI opener ever just ahead of Gibbs.

I would open with QDK and Kirsten in my all-time South African ODI XI with Gibbs slotting in at 3, Kallis at 4, AB at 5 and Miller at 6.
 
Kianig89 said:
Qdk dropping Cummins in a SF doesn't help his cause
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He missed the simpled of run out in 2015 world cup that too of Elliott. He was not even in the frame. He just had to collect, drink a coffee and whip the bails off. Instead he knocked the bails off even before the ball arrived.
 
Mamoon said:
The logic is that there is a fine line between a so-called choker and a big match player. Gilchrist was phenomenal in Tests but overrated in ODIs.

QDK deserves a lot more respect on this forum than he does. He has been a mighty player for South Africa and certainly their most impactful ODI opener ever just ahead of Gibbs.

I would open with QDK and Kirsten in my all-time South African ODI XI with Gibbs slotting in at 3, Kallis at 4, AB at 5 and Miller at 6.
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If you think performances in 3 big finals of what is the pinnacle of white ball cricket is a "fine line" then there's not much to add from my side.
 
Marooned said:
If you think performances in 3 big finals of what is the pinnacle of white ball cricket is a "fine line" then there's not much to add from my side.
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How 'clutch' would you consider a player with the following scores in ICC tournament semifinals throughout his career?

20
31
22
37
3
1
22

In other words, how would you perceive a batsman who averaged 19 in 7 semifinals without a single 50+ score?
 
Mamoon said:
How 'clutch' would you consider a player with the following scores in ICC tournament semifinals throughout his career?

20
31
22
37
3
1
22

In other words, how would you perceive a batsman who averaged 19 in 7 semifinals without a single 50+ score?
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If that were the entire picture I'd say not very, but its not a
 
Mamoon said:
How 'clutch' would you consider a player with the following scores in ICC tournament semifinals throughout his career?

20
31
22
37
3
1
22

In other words, how would you perceive a batsman who averaged 19 in 7 semifinals without a single 50+ score?
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If that were the entire picture I'd say not very, but its not and that's the whole point.

You don't have to perform in every knockout game, no one can but what are your achievements in all knockouts you played?

If you have 3 big performances in 3 finals, you are clutch.
 
When you perform in multiple high stake games, you are clutch. Simple.

What you didn't do isn't a defining quality of what makes someone clutch but rather what you do.
 
Marooned said:
When you perform in multiple high stake games, you are clutch. Simple.

What you didn't do isn't a defining quality of what makes someone clutch but rather what you do.
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As per this definition, Marlon Samuels is an actual clutch player. He scored fifties in 2 T20 World Cup finals, 2012 and 2016.
 
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NZ vs SA Cricket Scorecard, 3rd Quarter-Final at Dhaka, March 25, 2011

Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get New Zealand vs South Africa 3rd Quarter-Final, cricket scorecard, ICC Cricket World Cup 2010/11 dated March 25, 2011.
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Another tale of one of many SA chokes, a dogfight won by spirited NZ, Guptill at point was emitting fear into SA giants like Smith and Kallis, Amla chicken out easily and how can we forget JP Duminy a choker of the highest order. You've got to question yourself when a player like Jacob Oram gets MOM, SA folded with 6½ overs remaining and a margin of 49 runs.

SA have suffered and suffered....
 
Mamoon said:
How 'clutch' would you consider a player with the following scores in ICC tournament semifinals throughout his career?

20
31
22
37
3
1
22

In other words, how would you perceive a batsman who averaged 19 in 7 semifinals without a single 50+ score?
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But the point is that what the entire picture is depends on other factors too. Gilchrist was able to play multiple finals because his team was good enough to carry him into the finals even though Gilchrist was failing miserably in the semifinals.

QDK does not have this luxury. A lot of players don’t but Gilchrist. Most players would not get to play numerous finals after producing such numbers in the semifinals.

The criticism of QDK that he doesn’t turn up in World Cups was a valid one because he didn’t turn up in 2015 and 2019, but he did turn up in 2023 and in some fashion.

Only Kohli has scored more runs than him and no one has scored more centuries than him. He has been fabulous and deserves to be respected and appreciated.

South Africa had zero chance of making the semifinals without his runs at the top and the way he took the game to the opposition bowlers.

Instead, the narrative has now changed from he cannot perform in World Cups to he cannot perform in knockout matches. Had he performed in the semifinal and South African had won but lost the final with him failing, the narrative would have been that he couldn’t handle the pressure of the final.

It seems that some people have decided not to give him any credit but to be honest it doesn’t really matter because the majority of the cricket fraternity acknowledge the fact that he lit up this World Cup with his batting.

It was a great shut up call for all those who have been on his back for 10 years and called him a choker and a soft player and what not. It is great to see him address those myths and in style before signing off from ODI cricket.
 
Shane watson is clutch. I think he made a 100 in CT final, CT semi final. But his IPL final 100 was real clutch. 17 balls 7 runs Next 40 balls 110 runs.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Just bcoz Qdk didn’t score in knockout doesn’t mean he is a choker and can be tagged alongside Amla.

South Africa probably had their best ever run in a world cup and QDK was instrumental in this, lets not put him alongside Amla who failed to actually do anything worthwhile in World cups.

Qdk is up there as the best ever SA player in world cups
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QDK is choker. His approach suddenly changes. It is just not batting. His keeping standard goes several notch in these type of games. His fumble in 2015 world cup final was decisive. Simple collection was needed. Batsman was at the center of the pitch. Instead he knocked the bail ot before collecting. Missed run outs when batsmen stole singles. In this world cup he dropped a catch.
 
WC SF was the biggest game of QDK career and he did not live upto expectations with dropping catches full stop. Rest is all hyperbole, laughable and being biased it is if Gilchrist is a choker having scores of 57 and 149 in 2 WC Finals.
 
I will have Qdk and Gibbs as my openers in South Africa ODI all time XI.

Ahead of Kirsten and Smith, neither men dominated any World Cup or performed vs major nations in league games. Kirsten's best efforts were with Indian team of 2011.
 
IF QDK doing zilch in a WC SF is not choker, then what criteria puts legends like dONALD AND POLLOCK are chokers their figures combined in 99 SF 19 overs 68/9

Gilchrist scoring a hundred and a fifty in WC finals is a choker, amazing
 
Mamoon said:
But the point is that what the entire picture is depends on other factors too. Gilchrist was able to play multiple finals because his team was good enough to carry him into the finals even though Gilchrist was failing miserably in the semifinals.

QDK does not have this luxury. A lot of players don’t but Gilchrist. Most players would not get to play numerous finals after producing such numbers in the semifinals.

The criticism of QDK that he doesn’t turn up in World Cups was a valid one because he didn’t turn up in 2015 and 2019, but he did turn up in 2023 and in some fashion.

Only Kohli has scored more runs than him and no one has scored more centuries than him. He has been fabulous and deserves to be respected and appreciated.

South Africa had zero chance of making the semifinals without his runs at the top and the way he took the game to the opposition bowlers.

Instead, the narrative has now changed from he cannot perform in World Cups to he cannot perform in knockout matches. Had he performed in the semifinal and South African had won but lost the final with him failing, the narrative would have been that he couldn’t handle the pressure of the final.

It seems that some people have decided not to give him any credit but to be honest it doesn’t really matter because the majority of the cricket fraternity acknowledge the fact that he lit up this World Cup with his batting.

It was a great shut up call for all those who have been on his back for 10 years and called him a choker and a soft player and what not. It is great to see him address those myths and in style before signing off from ODI cricket.
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Well QDK has redeemed himself much like kohli by having a great worldcup, I'm not here bashing him but what he has done isn't comparable to Gilchrist's achievements. He did fail in the highest stake game of this very tournament though when he was in the form of his life. Maybe it's an untold story as you say because he didn't get enough chances to prove that he could do it but that's how it works.

You can't give him credit for things he didn't do. Only Sympathy.
 
Kianig89 said:
IF QDK doing zilch in a WC SF is not choker, then what criteria puts legends like dONALD AND POLLOCK are chokers their figures combined in 99 SF 19 overs 68/9

Gilchrist scoring a hundred and a fifty in WC finals is a choker, amazing
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Also in that 1999 WC semis, when Klusenar ran a single, it was incorrect decision from Klusenar to go for single. There wasn't a single there and considering what had happened last delivery, he should have avoided the single as there were still two deliveries left.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
QDK is choker. His approach suddenly changes. It is just not batting. His keeping standard goes several notch in these type of games. His fumble in 2015 world cup final was decisive. Simple collection was needed. Batsman was at the center of the pitch. Instead he knocked the bail ot before collecting. Missed run outs when batsmen stole singles. In this world cup he dropped a catch.
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Yeah, a choker who is the second highest run scorer of this World Cup and has the most hundreds, and those runs have been extremely impactful not accumulated at a low SR.

I wish Pakistan had a choker like him. He walks into almost every ODI XI in the world except India’s, and he certainly walks into most ODI XIs in history.

It is absurd how under-appreciated he is.
 
BumP

Shall we include Henrich Klassen to Chokers Squad

Duped in WT20 final and now CT SF......

Commiserations to his Lumber#1 fan @Rana
 
ajeeb o gharib Rizwan fans looking for validation of Rizwan in Klaasen’s failure because I like him lol
 
Kianig89 said:
BumP

Shall we include Henrich Klassen to Chokers Squad

Duped in WT20 final and now CT SF......

Commiserations to his Lumber#1 fan @Rana
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They gave away too many runs.

360+ for an ICC tournament knockout is conceding too many runs.

Poor bowling
 
Rana said:
You have no right to speak about modern white ball greats

Apni aukaat main reh

Go and create threads against Shan Masood. Demand that he should be replaced by Jahandad Khan in Tests as an opener. That’s your level.
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So is a white ball great excuse me.

Klaseen is a franchise great, Virat Kohli Rohit Sharma are white ball greats
 
Kianig89 said:
So is a white ball great excuse me.

Klaseen is a franchise great, Virat Kohli Rohit Sharma are white ball greats
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First learn how to speak properly. What are you trying to say? Make sure you check what you copy and paste from Samaa Ai translate
 
I understand you are traumatised with how things haven’t transpired in accordance with your delusions.

Take a break from this forum, learn to humble yourself. Pray forgiveness for your mistakes and arrogance.

Come back stronger. Engaging with me will only drive you more and more into a spiral of disappointment and discontentment with life and cricket. I will own you every time.
 
Rana said:
I understand you are traumatised with how things haven’t transpired in accordance with your delusions.

Take a break from this forum, learn to humble yourself. Pray forgiveness for your mistakes and arrogance.

Come back stronger. Engaging with me will only drive you more and more into a spiral of disappointment and discontentment with life and cricket. I will own you every time.
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Now I will be more glued to this forum with Riz Bar out now, perfect time to be an analyst
 
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