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Titan24

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Just read Mudassar Nazar’s statement who is one of the best minds in the cricketing world and I respect what he has said but at the same time I think that at international level you just need couple of world class players at any point of time and rest just need to play a supportiing role.

We never had tons of batsmen waiting even in 90s. It was around 12-15 good ones out of which 7-8 were regulars.

Miandad, Saleem Malik, Inzi, Saeed Anwar, Younus and Yousuf were enough to carry our batting for decade and a half and same is generally the case with other cricketing nations as well.

Sami Aslam was really good at U19 level what has he achieved at international level till now? same was the case with Shehzad and Umar Akmal.

To me its not about number of batsmen coming through its about finding that potential world class product out of those and developing them in academies for 2,3 years to make them good enough for international level.

I think Imran and Wasim did a tremendous job with finding those really good batsmen while they were the captains as they knew what it takes for a batsmen to perform at international level. Once they found those they sticked with then through thick and thin. Younus said Wasim bowled one over with outswinger, inswinger and bouncer to select me.

We are lacking captain and coaches with an eye to judge a player and even chief selector Inzi, he was never good at judging players while he was captain himself and we didnt see any world class player developmed under Inzi.

Omair Yousuf have scored good amount of runs in this FC season, he should be inducted in some development program now so in couple of years he can be good enough for national team. Same should be done with other top young batsmen.

If anyone is expecting finished commodities at international level than I dont think any country produces finished products at that level. The difference making years are 2,3 years post U19 days. A less talented player can surpass more talented players in these 2,3 years.

At any point of time you just need 2,3 world class batsmen to be a strong batting unit in any format. Example from tests are Australia has Smith and Warner, NZ has Williamson and Taylor, SA is struggling post ABD with only Amla now and next thing close to it is Faf till now, India has Kohli and Pujara.

Closest thing we have now is Azhar, while Babar and Haris are still developing and that is why we are struggling post Younus in tests.

So my point is system doesnt necessarily have to produce tons of batsmen, just couple of world class batsmen.

I would rate an era with 3 batsmen of world class level out of 7 good prospects than 1 or no WC player out of 20 good prospects.
 
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Australia are clearly missing Steven Smith and David Warner.
 
Ali, shafiq and a am are truly world class batsmen. Shah, abbas and at times Ali are truly world class bowlers.

Teams may lose because the other plays better.
 
Ali, shafiq and a am are truly world class batsmen. Shah, abbas and at times Ali are truly world class bowlers.

Teams may lose because the other plays better.

Asad is far behind and is no way near a world class player status, yes he can give some top performances but isnt consistent enough. Avg of 38 as a middle order player isnt good enough, middle order batsman should be around 50 to be considered that.

Bowling is not much of a problem but still would like to see them to be more consistent and focused in crucial moments.
 
Asad is far behind and is no way near a world class player status, yes he can give some top performances but isnt consistent enough. Avg of 38 as a middle order player isnt good enough, middle order batsman should be around 50 to be considered that.

Bowling is not much of a problem but still would like to see them to be more consistent and focused in crucial moments.

He is a lower middle order batsman with more centuries there than anyone else at 6. It has only been in recent times when he had moved up a place or two higher in the order.
 
Ali, shafiq and a am are truly world class batsmen. Shah, abbas and at times Ali are truly world class bowlers.

Teams may lose because the other plays better.

Each of those 3 batsmen average below 50, and all take more than 8 innings per century

compare that to truly world class batsmen like Williamson, Kohli, Smith who average above 50 and take less than 8 innings per each century

Pakistan haven't had a world class batsmen since Younis
 
He is a lower middle order batsman with more centuries there than anyone else at 6. It has only been in recent times when he had moved up a place or two higher in the order.

No denying of the fact about his centuries but other batsmen batting at no 6 in tests eventually develop to be part of top 4, he also should have especially when two of the most experienced players in the form of Younus and Misbah left. However he has really struggled since he has been moved up and his averaged has dropped significantly.

Most of the world class batsmen in tests bat in top 4 and definitely have higher average then him. He lacks consistency which is manifested by his average.

I agree in comparison to batsmen of other teams playing at no 5 or 6 he was better then the most but then again being the 2nd most experienced player after Azhar he needed to step up post Younus and Misbah and become that guy who averages atleast 45+, unfortunately he couldnt handle that extra responsibility and now averages below 40.

He definitely had the potential to be much better player than he is however like many Pak batsmen he has failed to completely translate his potential to performances till now.
 
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Ali, shafiq and a am are truly world class batsmen . Shah, abbas and at times Ali are truly world class bowlers.

Teams may lose because the other plays better.

Continuing with the theme of eye for talent from the OP, what an earth is this? He doesn't even average 40 in tests for crying out loud and there's many other reasons why he is nowhere close to world class level. He needs to be booted out of the Pakistan sooner rather than later because even whenever he does score, he lacks impact and is simply unable to change the game.
 
Each of those 3 batsmen average below 50, and all take more than 8 innings per century

compare that to truly world class batsmen like Williamson, Kohli, Smith who average above 50 and take less than 8 innings per each century

Pakistan haven't had a world class batsmen since Younis

Totally and we need atleast 1 batsmen good enough to average in 50s. Babar and Haris have the potential but potential alone is nothing its those other things (Dedication, hardwork, will etc) that will define whether they become world class batsmen in tests or not.
 
Imran’s eye eventually gave Inzi and Saeed, Wasim’s eye gave Younus and Yousuf, rest of the eyes combined for well over two decades are yet to deliver.

Shafiq was only a support player with Younus and Misbah and unfortunately he is still a support player.
 
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I don’t think Taylor and Pujara are world class but I do get your point. Every team is struggling to find more then one world class batsmen at the moment, the teams that have them are doing really well. It’s probably best reflected in the teams average runs over the last year or so.

I honestly think we are a world class batsmen away from being a top 3 test team as our supporting batsmen and our bowlers are as good as the other teams.

Just look at how much stronger our batting looks with one world class middle order batsmen.

Azhar
Fakhar
Haris
Smith/Williamson/Kholi/Root
Babar
Shafiq

I’d go as far as saying that I’d pick our batting unit over any other teams if we had any of these to 4 to lead it..
 
I don’t think Taylor and Pujara are world class but I do get your point. Every team is struggling to find more then one world class batsmen at the moment, the teams that have them are doing really well. It’s probably best reflected in the teams average runs over the last year or so.

I honestly think we are a world class batsmen away from being a top 3 test team as our supporting batsmen and our bowlers are as good as the other teams.

Just look at how much stronger our batting looks with one world class middle order batsmen.

Azhar
Fakhar
Haris
Smith/Williamson/Kholi/Root
Babar
Shafiq

I’d go as far as saying that I’d pick our batting unit over any other teams if we had any of these to 4 to lead it..

I’d go as far as saying that I’d pick our batting unit over any other teams if we had one of these 4 to lead it..
 
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Australia are clearly missing Steven Smith and David Warner.

It was bound to happen. You take your best players out, you will feel like a fish out of a bowl. I think England is the only team now that has the luxary to take out their best 2 players atm and still play like champs. India too would be in AUS shoe has Virat/pujara got injured/out of series.
 
No denying of the fact about his centuries but other batsmen batting at no 6 in tests eventually develop to be part of top 4, he also should have especially when two of the most experienced players in the form of Younus and Misbah left. However he has really struggled since he has been moved up and his averaged has dropped significantly.

Most of the world class batsmen in tests bat in top 4 and definitely have higher average then him. He lacks consistency which is manifested by his average.

I agree in comparison to batsmen of other teams playing at no 5 or 6 he was better then the most but then again being the 2nd most experienced player after Azhar he needed to step up post Younus and Misbah and become that guy who averages atleast 45+, unfortunately he couldnt handle that extra responsibility and now averages below 40.

He definitely had the potential to be much better player than he is however like many Pak batsmen he has failed to completely translate his potential to performances till now.

Again, we have to go beyond statistics. The way he plays the ball, his timing, his concentration and some of his performances make him world class. THAT century against Australia, several other rear guard actions, if that isn't world class then not much is.
 
We've needed a world class batsman for some time I agree but the batsman has got to be consistent as well. The closest batsman we have to being world class is Babar Azam and well there's no denying that he's a solid batsman, he's also a work in progress and we do see those glimpses of improvement from him.
 
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