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Am I missing something? Maryam Nawaz was sentenced, then bailed and now warming up to lead PMLN?

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What happened to her sentence? When's the appeal? She's been out for six months.
 
It's interesting that no one even talks about this convict. Where is the appeal against the suspension of the sentence?
 
Yes she is attending Iftar Parties and having a great time. wasnt she supposed to rot in jail?
 
May God bless punjab!
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New era for Punjab to start from today: Maryam

Maryam Nawaz has said a “new era” will begin for Punjab from today, as per the traditions and examples laid down by PML-N supremo Nawaz Sharif and party president Shehbaz Sharif during their terms as chief ministers.

“I know I have big shoes to fill,” she said.

Source: Dawn News
 
PTI leaders, members and their family members better go under ground. This woman is very wicked, ruthless and inhuman. She demanded a video tape and photo from the assassins of Arshad Sharif with his brains blown out and then posted an inhuman tweet celebrating his death.

The Punjab IG reports to her and whatever is happening to PTI ladies i.e. Sanam Javed, Tayyaba Raja, Bushra Bibi is all her call. Imran Khan's cell and Washroom Videos get sent to her directly.
 
PTI leaders, members and their family members better go under ground. This woman is very wicked, ruthless and inhuman. She demanded a video tape and photo from the assassins of Arshad Sharif with his brains blown out and then posted an inhuman tweet celebrating his death.

The Punjab IG reports to her and whatever is happening to PTI ladies i.e. Sanam Javed, Tayyaba Raja, Bushra Bibi is all her call. Imran Khan's cell and Washroom Videos get sent to her directly.
She is incompetent, just like her father. I think the days of their brand of politics is over. The public has rejected them and Maryam is probably the most ridiculed politician in the market right now.
 
She is incompetent, just like her father. I think the days of their brand of politics is over. The public has rejected them and Maryam is probably the most ridiculed politician in the market right now.

Don't think the PDM or even the establishment will fear the public, what they think or feel if the public does not have the capacity to come out 1979 Iran style.
 
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She is incompetent, just like her father. I think the days of their brand of politics is over. The public has rejected them and Maryam is probably the most ridiculed politician in the market right now.
The public? Has the Public any say?
 
She does not connects with the public her branded attires and cosmo shoes are not what inspires them, add to it her wicked and fuzzy nature as evident by interviews she had given in the past are a testament of dumbfounded behaviour, also not helping the cause will be the advisors two of the most despised and loathe characters in politics Ms Aurangzeb and Mr Dentonic will be the last thing she needs.
 
In any country , the public would be rioting right now.

But Pakistanis are too cool for that.

The establishment is currently distracting them with the PSL and they are lapping it up.
 
I think (just my view) that all these recent incidents are face saving measures from the establishment because of the public backlash and they are trying to work out a deal with IK.

It is not as easy ignoring the public sentiment especially when the bad economy is hitting htem hard. Yeah, the PAKISTANIS should not have let things get this far but even they have a threshhold and the establishment is really dangerously close to it, I think.
 
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I think (just my view) that all these recent incidents are face saving measures from the establishment because of the public backlash and they are trying to work out a deal with IK.

It is not as easy ignoring the public sentiment especially when the bad economy is hitting htem hard. Yeah, the PAKISTANIS should not have let things get this far but even they have a threshhold and the establishment is really dangerously close to it, I think.
2 years timeline of Pak poster comments:

1.This is well planned by Establishment and IK ,can’t believe Zardari is falling for it
2.Seems like IK will come back with majority master stroke.
3.Bajwa is bad but Establishment cannot be this silly new person will be good
4.New general is a fool he will not be able to survive the public backlash.

and now your new placeholder comment after Establishment has rigged it bad.
 
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2 years timeline of Pak poster comments:

1.This is well planned by Establishment and IK ,can’t believe Zardari is falling for it
2.Seems like IK will come back with majority master stroke.
3.Bajwa is bad but Establishment cannot be this silly new person will be good
4.New general is a fool he will not be able to survive the public backlash.

and now your new placeholder comment after Establishment has rigged it bad.
Not sure what you meant by your post but if your aim is to point out the differing views of pakistani people, we are not any different from the other nations in the world. We all tend to have people who fall on the extreme passimism to outright optimisim spectrum, alongwith various political allegiances so such notions are to be expected.

But if IK has achieved anything, its exposing the system in terms of who the real string puller is. Zerdari, Sharif, whatnot are just puppets. There has really been only one party in charge of the country this whole time. If you see anything otherwise, its from the supporters of zardaris and sharifs who are a minority now and like to believe their parties and leaders are the ones with equal clout as the military. They are wrong! I think this much can be easily stated now.

There is still a lot of love for the army, and rightly so, because it is out army but its not where it used to be the in the past. the top leadership abuses their power and privilege and I feel their idiotic measures in recent months have driven us to a point that the next democratic govt will seek to bring reforms to get their power checked.
 
Noone will come out vote in large numbers again as it doesn't matter. PTI's leadership has also been asleep. 'We will form gov in center, KPK, Balochistan', repeated everyday while their independents were auctioned off. Took them 2 weeks to form an alliance with a party. And now seemingly accepting Nani in Punjab. Good journos = saying the same.

establishment knows this public will never come out Iran 79 style. Recently a clip came from a PSL game, 100s were chanting Khan's name and 3 police came and started singling out chanters and taking them out. If this was Europe the police would have been ran off. Here everyone just made videos. You see men in cars being arrested infront of their kids by 2-3 police while dozens, 100s look on recording. A single PMLN thanaydaar can wade in a 100 strong PTI crowd and take out a woman and know noone will do anything. These are not the actions of a nation ready to revolt. These are signs of a nation who's in a coma.

I say all this being a diehard PTI supporter.
 
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Noone will come out vote in large numbers again as it doesn't matter. PTI's leadership has also been asleep. 'We will form gov in center, KPK, Balochistan', repeated everyday while their independents were auctioned off. Took them 2 weeks to form an alliance with a party. And now seemingly accepting Nani in Punjab. Good journos like Siddique jaan saying the same.

establishment knows this public will never come out Iran 79 style. Recently a clip came from a PSL game, 100s were chanting Khan's name and 3 police came and started singling out chanters and taking them out. If this was Europe the police would have been ran off. Here everyone just made videos. You see men in cars being arrested infront of their kids by 2-3 police while dozens, 100s look on recording. A single PMLN thanaydaar can wade in a 100 strong PTI crowd and take out a woman and know noone will do anything. These are not the actions of a nation ready to revolt. These are signs of a nation who's in a coma.

I say all this being a diehard PTI supporter.

It's not a nation that is asleep.
It's nation that is surpressed knowing the dissent can lead to imprisonment, rape and death...

The past 6 to 12 months has shown the people that the establishment are ruthless and won't care how many they incarcerate... only an army can defeat them
 
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It's not a nation that is asleep.
It's nation that is surpressed knowing the dissent can lead to imprisonment, rape and death...

The past 6 to 12 months has shown the people that the establishment are ruthless and won't care how many they incarcerate... only an army can defeat them
But then why are we debating this? As nothing will happen or change. PDM 3 then 4 then 5 will come. Or do you think Asim Munir or his successor will say to Khan, here you go sir, here's your 180 seats? Ofcourse not. Any mafia like this is brought down. It never finishes on its own. If hundreds in a stand of people don't have the cojones to confront 3 policeman then no point complaining about anything.
 
According to most analysts Zardari has played a master stroke. He will now be President for 5 years and cannot be removed. The establishment could not remove Arif Alvi even though they despised him. This will now give Zardari the opportunity to build bridges with GHQ and to help PPP in Punjab and Islamabad. This will also now help Zardari lobby for his guy in GHQ i.e. the DG ISI Nadeem Anjum to replace Asim Munir as the next COAS.

Asim Munir is PML-N's guy and Munir was hoping Sharif's would win a majority and help him get an extension but the PPP will now have other ideas. Zardari after yesterday's press conference, boasted to his party confidants "Remember when i mentioned "Main inki eenth se eenth baja duun gaa, now watch what i do"
 
According to most analysts Zardari has played a master stroke. He will now be President for 5 years and cannot be removed. The establishment could not remove Arif Alvi even though they despised him. This will now give Zardari the opportunity to build bridges with GHQ and to help PPP in Punjab and Islamabad. This will also now help Zardari lobby for his guy in GHQ i.e. the DG ISI Nadeem Anjum to replace Asim Munir as the next COAS.

Asim Munir is PML-N's guy and Munir was hoping Sharif's would win a majority and help him get an extension but the PPP will now have other ideas. Zardari after yesterday's press conference, boasted to his party confidants "Remember when i mentioned "Main inki eenth se eenth baja duun gaa, now watch what i do"
This will be interested. AZ has sold himself to the Generals and wants Billo to be PM, but there is only problem, together the PPP and the Nooras cant win 60 seats between them
 
I thought buzdar was bad in Punjab but since I heard the news about Maryam being in thr frontline, I am thinking that how bad can it get. Seriously, maryam? A women who knows no boundaries to oppress other guys with their fake videos and whatnot. Women can never be a leader according to ISLAMIC teachings so now we should stop calling Pakistan, the ISLAMIC STATE. Actually, it should have happened way earlier when Benazir became PM.
 
PTI's governance in Punjab was so bad that they won the by elections in 2022 and then won a two thirds majority according to Form 45. PTI's governance in Punjab was so bad that Maryam Nawaz wants to rename some of PTI's existing projects and bring it under PML-Ns name.
 
Not sure what you meant by your post but if your aim is to point out the differing views of pakistani people, we are not any different from the other nations in the world. We all tend to have people who fall on the extreme passimism to outright optimisim spectrum, alongwith various political allegiances so such notions are to be expected.

But if IK has achieved anything, its exposing the system in terms of who the real string puller is. Zerdari, Sharif, whatnot are just puppets. There has really been only one party in charge of the country this whole time. If you see anything otherwise, its from the supporters of zardaris and sharifs who are a minority now and like to believe their parties and leaders are the ones with equal clout as the military. They are wrong! I think this much can be easily stated now.

There is still a lot of love for the army, and rightly so, because it is out army but its not where it used to be the in the past. the top leadership abuses their power and privilege and I feel their idiotic measures in recent months have driven us to a point that the next democratic govt will seek to bring reforms to get their power checked.
If you look back at the history of Pakistan, this is not the first time the establishment has stepped out of the shadows and revealed the true puppeteer to the public. They do it every time roughly after 10 to 15 years of allowing the puppet show to run.

They've just waited a little longer this time and have been a shade more subtle in going for transparently manipulated elections rather than direct Military rule.

I'm sure they're pretty confident it'll work again and rightly so. Most of the vitriol on forums like these is coming from overseas Pakistanis and a few young hotheads. I think the older crowd have come to accept direct or indirect establishment rule as a fact of life. If asked to vote, they'll vote for whoever's the popular leader is of the time - whether ZAB, Benazir, Nawaz or Imran but they don't really have any governance expectations from them.

You can't blame the public really. It's been 75 years. Anybody would've learnt the lesson by now. It's become obvious by now that Imran's not going to be the man to change this. He doesn't have the unique combination of charisma, political nous and strategic vision to roll back such a huge rock. In any case, it's a young man's game and he's pretty old by now.

Pakistan will just have to wait for the next Messiah.
 
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But then why are we debating this? As nothing will happen or change. PDM 3 then 4 then 5 will come. Or do you think Asim Munir or his successor will say to Khan, here you go sir, here's your 180 seats? Ofcourse not. Any mafia like this is brought down. It never finishes on its own. If hundreds in a stand of people don't have the cojones to confront 3 policeman then no point complaining about anything.

There is no debate to be had.

the reality is that we live in a sick world where real power is concentrated in the west, North Atlantic to be precise.

Iran's revolution didn't happen because of the people alone, it was backed up by the west. The Shah had gotten too big for his boots.

A revolution Pakistan will only come about if the States wants it. They obviously don't and the corrupt status quo suits them just fine then an independent country with strong institutions.

The ones who suffer are the poor but nobody will help cares or wants to help them...
 
There is no debate to be had.

the reality is that we live in a sick world where real power is concentrated in the west, North Atlantic to be precise.

Iran's revolution didn't happen because of the people alone, it was backed up by the west. The Shah had gotten too big for his boots.

A revolution Pakistan will only come about if the States wants it. They obviously don't and the corrupt status quo suits them just fine then an independent country with strong institutions.

The ones who suffer are the poor but nobody will help cares or wants to help them...
I don't agree all of it but partly. You have to look at 2 ways:

How does a change come? Through courts or army stepping aside in a benign show of mercy? We know the answer to that...ie no.

Irans revolution was organic. Shah was their puppet. Even then you don't mobilise tens of millions of support from outside help. It has to come from within. But its been said above that this won't happen. Or the people revolting? People have said noone will revolt due to army's brutality

So theres no option left then except PDM 2 PDM 3.

Hence why the country's finished in terms of any "democracy".
 
I don't agree all of it but partly. You have to look at 2 ways:

How does a change come? Through courts or army stepping aside in a benign show of mercy? We know the answer to that...ie no.

Irans revolution was organic. Shah was their puppet. Even then you don't mobilise tens of millions of support from outside help. It has to come from within. But its been said above that this won't happen. Or the people revolting? People have said noone will revolt due to army's brutality

So theres no option left then except PDM 2 PDM 3.

Hence why the country's finished in terms of any "democracy".
At it's core, I would say fundamental change (not superficial change) comes only when conditions become unbearable combined with a right-time, right-place leader who has (repeating myself here) the charisma, political nous and strategic vision. The young are always rebelling even on nebulous aspects like freedom. You need a lot more concrete factors to get the wider masses involved and drive the fundamental change.

Some of these factors exist today in Pakistan but not all unfortunately.
 
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