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Amazing stats - Fawad Alam vs Umar Akmal in the Pakistan One Day Cup

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Currently concluded Pakistan Cup

Fawad Alam
Matches = 4
Runs Scored = 162
Average = 81.00
Strike Rate = 98.78

Umar Akmal
Matches = 4
Runs Scored = 113
Average = 37.66
Strike Rate = 83.70

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This is the reason Why Pakistan team is not successful on international stage. We keep on selecting failures in our squad.
 
ocfan said:
Currently concluded Pakistan Cup

Fawad Alam
Matches = 4
Runs Scored = 162
Average = 81.00
Strike Rate = 98.78

Umar Akmal
Matches = 4
Runs Scored = 113
Average = 37.66
Strike Rate = 83.70

,
This is the reason Why Pakistan team is not successful on international stage. We keep on selecting failures in our squad.
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Also stupid statements column reads empty for Fawad.
 
Hm

I agree. Fawad Alam and Shoaib Malik would win us the Champions Trophy being played in England.
 
show that to Inzi, along with Umar's international record of the last couple of years
 
but but but Junior plays shots and scores at a quicker pace
 
Umar will average less than 30 (with one or two not outs) with the strike rate of less than 85 in CT, even that record will flatter him because he looks toothless against quality bowling
 
So you're saying that a batsman scored more runs than a tubby wannabe? :broad
 
These stats don't really show Fawad is better than Umar or vice versa. Firstly too small a sample of games and secondly clearly Fawad's stats are inflated by a not out. Fawad is perhaps a better option than Umar Akmal but given Pakistan's middle order he is still not exactly what is required. We need someone who can bat at 110 SR. Umar is failing at that job while Fawad clearly can not do it.
 
proud_pakistani said:
These stats don't really show Fawad is better than Umar or vice versa. Firstly too small a sample of games and secondly clearly Fawad's stats are inflated by a not out. Fawad is perhaps a better option than Umar Akmal but given Pakistan's middle order he is still not exactly what is required. We need someone who can bat at 110 SR. Umar is failing at that job while Fawad clearly can not do it.
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Strike rates are not inflated by not outs.

moreover my point is not why Fawad Alam is not selected. I am saying that on what basis Umar Akmal has been selected? When even He has not performed better than Fawad Alam who is not considered for tests too.
 
TBH Fawad Alam's runs were all from that one selfish innings. He batted so slowly at the start and smashed towards the end and they lost. I love Fawad Alam but I don't think he really deserves to be in our ODI squad either. That being said, Umar Akmal hasn't done much on merit to justify his selection but I think he will be dropped following the Junaid Khan saga and will be replaced for the CT
 
Fawad should start from Tests.

Umar shouldn't have been selected, but I also think that he shouldn't have been dropped for the WI tour. Should've been a member of the squad as a backup opener, ahead of Kamran and even Shehzad.

However, I understand his selection for the CT, as he tends to perform in ICC tournaments and more importantly, he provides us with a backup WK in case Sarfraz gets injured.
 
Square Drive said:
Fawad should start from Tests.

Umar shouldn't have been selected, but I also think that he shouldn't have been dropped for the WI tour. Should've been a member of the squad as a backup opener, ahead of Kamran and even Shehzad.

However, I understand his selection for the CT, as he tends to perform in ICC tournaments and more importantly, he provides us with a backup WK in case Sarfraz gets injured.
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What performance in ICC tournaments?

Am I missing something?
 
Fawad performed after he returned straight away. Averaged good, with a matchwinning century and even upped his Strike rate. But no one cared and was soon dropped.

Get annoyed when the benchmark seems to be set far higher for Fawad. While others seem to get long runs with pathetic SRs and averages, Fawad only gets a series or two, where he usually performs decently well and then is dropped.

I've posted stat analysis before. Fawad's SR is misleading IMO. Firstly it isn't that bad compared to his peers. Secondly he tends to score at a fast rate for his high scores, and low for his low scores. Which means he doesn't tend to play many slow long innings detrimental to the team a la Shehzad or shafiq. Also a lot of the instances he has played slow if you look at them it's where the rest of the team has collapsed and got out cheaply.

Fawad in domestic isn't even considered a slow player either. And of course his averages are better than anyone else in the team bar Babar. It's like his entire career has been screwed due to a few poor T20 innings usually batting down the order (I mean who thought it was wise to put fawad at 7 in T20?)
 
not just Fawad, throw in Haris Sohail, Umar Amin, Fakhar Zaman even Aamer Yamin in the mix

Umar doesn't even come close to being favorably compared to any of them

typical selection by loser selectors
 
This is why stats can be so misleading and manipulative. You only need to see Fawad bat through the innings to realize how much liability he carries in the modern day cricket. He won't be able to rectify his 80 balls 50 runs innings chasing 300+ against Int. sides.
 
There were at least 5 batsmen who should have been selected instead of a TTF Umar Akmal. Even 35+ old Kamran is a better batsman at the moment.
 
MRSN said:
This is why stats can be so misleading and manipulative. You only need to see Fawad bat through the innings to realize how much liability he carries in the modern day cricket. He won't be able to rectify his 80 balls 50 runs innings chasing 300+ against Int. sides.
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Umar can't even score 10 runs against a decent bowling unit. Strike rate is irrelevant.
 
You have to really suck as a batsman if a hockey fullback does better than you.
 
MRSN said:
This is why stats can be so misleading and manipulative. You only need to see Fawad bat through the innings to realize how much liability he carries in the modern day cricket. He won't be able to rectify his 80 balls 50 runs innings chasing 300+ against Int. sides.
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Atleast Fawad is able to face 80 balls without getting dismissed. That is the total number of balls Umar Akmal manages to survive in a complete ODI series.
 
I'm not in support of Umar akmal coming back ( though i always have hope for him, foolishly)

However fawad doesnt fit into the current odi team. To often people pick players here as if they are picking a team on Fifa, the pack it with statistically the best players, but in real life there would be no balance

thats exactly what happens in Pakistan, we never pick players for a role, fawad isnt as good as babar, or Sarfraz. Malik is currently in super mode. There is no place for a player like fawad
 
proud_pakistani said:
These stats don't really show Fawad is better than Umar or vice versa. Firstly too small a sample of games and secondly clearly Fawad's stats are inflated by a not out. Fawad is perhaps a better option than Umar Akmal but given Pakistan's middle order he is still not exactly what is required. We need someone who can bat at 110 SR. Umar is failing at that job while Fawad clearly can not do it.
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Not even De Villiers bats at SR 110. On average. Many batsmen can go SR 150 in short bursts. Fawad and UKmal included.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
I'm not in support of Umar akmal coming back ( though i always have hope for him, foolishly)

However fawad doesnt fit into the current odi team. To often people pick players here as if they are picking a team on Fifa, the pack it with statistically the best players, but in real life there would be no balance

thats exactly what happens in Pakistan, we never pick players for a role, fawad isnt as good as babar, or Sarfraz. Malik is currently in super mode. There is no place for a player like fawad
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Yes Fawad is not as good as Babar in ODIs, but they would not play the same role. On average, Babar scores as fast as Warner.
 
New Yorker said:
Yes Fawad is not as good as Babar in ODIs, but they would not play the same role. On average, Babar scores as fast as Warner.
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okay then whats Fawad's role, and how can he do it any better than anyone else who is the team?

These days you need boundary hitters, we dont have enough and getting fawad into the odi side will just make things worse, tests is where its at for him
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
I'm not in support of Umar akmal coming back ( though i always have hope for him, foolishly)

However fawad doesnt fit into the current odi team. To often people pick players here as if they are picking a team on Fifa, the pack it with statistically the best players, but in real life there would be no balance

thats exactly what happens in Pakistan, we never pick players for a role, fawad isnt as good as babar, or Sarfraz. Malik is currently in super mode. There is no place for a player like fawad
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You don't know anything. Stats don't lie.

Fawad > Umar, etc. and based on stats above, better than everyone in the team. Should be in the Champions Trophy squad, will win us the tournament.
 
Syed1 said:
Atleast Fawad is able to face 80 balls without getting dismissed. That is the total number of balls Umar Akmal manages to survive in a complete ODI series.
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Couldn't said better.
I would say there is no comparison btw fawad and umar as fawad is a proper bat who knows how to build an inning.
 
Syed1 said:
Atleast Fawad is able to face 80 balls without getting dismissed. That is the total number of balls Umar Akmal manages to survive in a complete ODI series.
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Yar Sab Choro......Yeah Batao Fawad kay Pass Talent Hay ???
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
okay then whats Fawad's role, and how can he do it any better than anyone else who is the team?

These days you need boundary hitters, we dont have enough and getting fawad into the odi side will just make things worse, tests is where its at for him
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Fawad's role is to be a reliable middle order accumulator who can grit it out and rotate strike, what the rest of the batting lineup is unable to do Sarfraz excepted. Boundary hitting is not everything as we know from Ukmal and Shehzad. Both are supposed to be stroke makers and boundary hitters but score slower than Sarfraz.
 
New Yorker said:
Fawad's role is to be a reliable middle order accumulator who can grit it out and rotate strike, what the rest of the batting lineup is unable to do Sarfraz excepted. Boundary hitting is not everything as we know from Ukmal and Shehzad. Both are supposed to be stroke makers and boundary hitters but score slower than Sarfraz.
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If you think this team needs more accumulators ... well I don't know , it's shocking that people think that imo, but each to their own
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
If you think this team needs more accumulators ... well I don't know , it's shocking that people think that imo, but each to their own
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I think it needs better batsmen, who can bat long innings, regardless of whether they are so called stroke
makers or accumulators. And I don't care how they score their runs, in singles or with boundaries, as long
as they score fast.
 
Have heard a lot of fawad alam over the Last 1 year here on PP, one would wonder why he doesn't get a chance if he is so good?
 
Fawad alam has been exposed time and time again, he doesbt have the technique againt good fast bowling therefore diesnt beling at the top order and he does not have the power game for lower order hitting. Last series he played was against aussies and the exposed him. Hes very good at milking singles against spin and medium pace.
 
Fawad has no place in current team Pakistan. There are players already emulating in the form of Sarfraz, Malik and Babar what Fawad is capable of.

Furthermore, Umar Akmal is useless.
 
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New Yorker said:
I think it needs better batsmen, who can bat long innings, regardless of whether they are so called stroke
makers or accumulators. And I don't care how they score their runs, in singles or with boundaries, as long
as they score fast.
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Then you are being simplistic and are doomed for failure
Say 10 overs are left in the innings, who would you rather come in Fawad, or Umar ?
 
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