[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
EENNNNNNNNNN Wrong again.
Oh this should be fun. You're a big POS with that last comment, as we all know, trying to use my profession (for your information, I'm doing very well, have a job lined up, and future is pretty much set, whereas you, just talk out of your ass as per the norm) as a means to make an argument. We all know why you're doing that. It is pathetic at best, but hey, if you want to go down that path, I work full time while in school, and I make more money, while in school right now, than you will in your entire lifetime, so if you think that is poor on my part, you started by talking of my profession, which I am doing very well in. My realities are better than your dreams are.
You have done a good job to twist my words around and as a future lawyer, I must commend you because you are on the right path. Show me where I said that Shafiq has played a career defining innings in ODI cricket or that half century was Australia is going to define his career. If you cannot do that, then there is a little edit button below the post which might come handy.
You want me to go back through your thousands of posts per day to find when you have said that the 50 Shafiq scored is going to be a huge stepping stone? We all know what you think of that, but hey, nice try.
Players have bad series and Amin hasn't been productive so far, but the way Fawad's wings were clipped by Australia was definitely eye opening. The irony is that you have completely missed the context in which he was worked out by Australia, it wasn't just a matter of him not scoring runs.
He didn't get out to good deliveries, he didn't play poor shots, he didn't show lack of focus etc etc etc, he was completely strangled and what Australia did with him is a great template for other teams to work on. How many batsmen will end up not out in an ODI innings at the death and still have a SR of 50? Provide me some examples.
Of course you can say that it was a one off and he's going to come back from it, but if other teams keep doing to him what Australia did, he will not last.
You are a big believer in the theory that players get better with age so it shouldn't be news to you that a 29 year old Fawad who is extremely one dimensional is not going to change him game at this stage of his career.
Swing and a miss. The fact you said players have a bad series, and then laughably say what Fawad did is eye opening, based on the exact same things that Amin has done in his career, is so funny, it is wow. You have never and will never have any points.
You are basing Fawad on that ONE match. He's not a star, who the hell said he is, but overall he performs. If you look at all three matches, he played 2 bad ones, then that new rule came into play. The hypocrisy here and the fact you are jumping goalposts is hilarious.
So you ran out of points and paraphrased what you said in the last paragraph:
Also, you are blatantly ignoring the way Fawad was found out against Australia and are simply considering that it is just 3 games. He was not out of form. He went back from there and scored a double hundred in FC and was scoring runs before the Australian series as well.
He was simply 'exposed' and his one dimensional approach was brought to the fore for everyone to see which is a weakness.
Again with this nonsense. There are a plethora of players who have bad series'. The same Shafiq and Amin you laud have bad careers actually, but hey let's focus on 3 matches of Fawad and call him trash, but ignore the countless times Shafiq has scored awfully. How about that 9 against scotland in Edinborough off 19 balls! Oh we can't talk about that, that was last year, he's a different player now, but for you who is using the age argument against me, Mr. 29 year old Shafiq who is what he will be pretty much has never even scored a 50. He has never shown any progression and has been the same kid from day 1. Shehzad, progression from day 1, Shafiq, same player.
Do you see how you post. Let's see, you create an argument one when and are completely oblivious to the fact that if you use it right back in your argument, it actually shows the mootness and hilarity of your point.
The irony is strong here because you are the one here who have put words in my mouth just so that you can put your's across. You are rigidly comparing Rayudu and Asad in ODIs but I am not and wasn't. I was comparing them as a whole and Test hundreds vs SA is a whole lot bigger than a second string SL ODI attack and much more indicative of a player's quality.
And the Pakistani inside you has eventually come out. May I ask what have all these players achieved to prove me wrong? My opinion that in the long run, none of them are good enough for the top level and will not be world class cricketers?
Isn't Pakistan filled with promising players losing the plot down the road? Are we going to repeat the process every time we see someone with potential?
How many 'future stars' have we produced over the years and how many have gone on to be stars? That is self-explanatory.
Sarfraz isn't the first or the last WK to score a few Test hundreds, Shehzad isn't the first young batsman to score a few hundreds, there are more spinners in the subcontinent than I care to remember who will do well against Australia on these surfaces and count Bangladesh and their endless inventory of left-arm orthodox bowlers and of course jury is out on Amin and Shehzad as well.
This is the worst post of them all. It is actually funny that one could come up with so much pathetic jargon all in one.
You asked me, who is better, Shafiq or Rayadu, this argument obviously had to do with ODI's. You can play dumb and pretend as though I was referring to test, all the power to you. You are now deflecting and we both know what the truth is, so buzz off clown.
Shafiq's 100 against SA is the most overrated century ever. Let's stick to Shafiq and tests, nothing to do with Rayadu, he is the better test player, but as of yet he still has a ways to go before he is going to be a good player. He scored a century against SA, great right, here are his next scores: 19, 6, 6, 4, 15, 10, 14 (those last 4 against Zimbabwe btw), 54, 10, 130, 13, 6, 18, 23, 1. 7 scores out of 15 below 10. Bravo Shafiq.
I never compared Shafiq to Rayadu in tests, but hey, play whatever card you want. Do not ever lead with garbage like "the Pakistani in you has come out". The awful posting in you came out the first day you posted here.
What my favorite thing is when you are infatuated with a player, you are blinded to see his shortcomings in other departments and refuse to digest any criticism directed at them. Sarfraz is the golden boy of PP these days and his keeping has been mediocre, yet everyone is satisfied because they can't get enough of his batting.
On the contrary, I think both Asad and Amin have good qualities, but I've gone on record to highlight their weaknesses as well for example, there is no doubt Amin is mentally weak and Shafiq hasn't progressed as much as he should have and his strike rotation is a problem. You on the other hand have blinded to Shehzad's ridiculous approach in ODIs where he refuses to strike at more than 65-70 for the first 80-90 deliveries and fails to provide any momentum at the top.
You are refusing to see that Fawad is very one dimensional.
Oh wow, well done! Words in my mouth, using my own argument against me because you have no where to run. Nice try though. I am a fan of those who try to emulate me, but in this case, you are really bad at doing it, how about you let those with the ability and some information to back it up.
I said, you were wrong about his batting, and then when you were wrong about that, you needed to quickly find something else he was bad at so as you could lessen the blow of how wrong you were and you made a claim to fame that you had said this for a long time. Nice attempt at trying to deflect as per the norm and use my own arguments against me as though it is effective.
I have no problem with weaknesses. I have said Fawad's weaknesses from day one BUT the difference is, I also say Fawad based on what has occurred is simply more valuable than Shafiq. Shafiq is more talented, but as I have said, time and time, and tirelessly, time again, talent and production do not go hand in hand.
Don't like criticism, ha. I can sit and criticize every Pakistani player as they all have weaknesses and none of them are guys I would put in the top 15-20 in the world. I'm a realist. I will tell you that as stupid as Fawad looks batting, he will put more runs on the board than Shafiq if I had to put my money on it. Do I think Shafiq has the talent? Yup. Has he made use of it? Nope. At 28-29 or whatever his age is, he should have cemented a place in the ODI squad, and position of his batting wouldn't keep him out if he were that good. Don't give me the Rahane argument, or any other player who has succeeded at different spots. Good players find a way to perform whether they open or are the 11th man. They may succeed more in certain spots, but Shafiq's 35 average at 3 isn't lighting the world on fire.
I have already said Shehzad's weakness time and time again, but if we look at it since his come back, 40 average, SR around 80, match winning centuries and that too against SA. Tell me when Shafiq does that.
It's so funny. I could criticize every guy on our team, unfortunately, they are all we have, so I will in fact choose based on what we have and what I think is the best combination of players based on the number one skill that you have always ignored and that is production. Runs on the board is greater than pretty cover drives.
Your opinion which I respect.
You clearly twisted around what I said and brought Fawad, Amin, Sarfraz etc into the discussion when it had nothing to do with and that was some awful use of context there which with all due respect is not one of your strengths any way.
To put it simply:
You are using Rayudu's hundred today to suggest that he's a better ODI batsman than Shafiq. A top order batsman gets to bat at his natural position and scores. Surprise.
On the other hand, Shafiq keeps getting pushed up and down the order with hardly getting 3 games on the trot and in those few games, he has done better than any number 3 in Pakistan cricket over the last 5 years barring Hafeez.
Secondly, since you are a big believer in domestic stats, how can Rayudu be better than Shafiq when you compare their LA records? So what is it then? I am a little confused here:
Are domestic stats reflective of your ability only when it suits your agenda or are domestic stats always hold true over a decent sample?
Which one is it?
Finally, don't tell others not to respond when after posting misquoted tripe because when you give it be ready to take it as well. Is this what you are going to do in the courtroom? Won't last long I'm afraid.
Personally attacking me to get a rile out of me. I love it. Look you jester, just because you ignore things and choose not to understand context, doesn't mean they have no merit. You use your eyeball test which has been wrong time and time again and now are flailing like a fish out of water.
The Shafiq at 3 argument, well done my friend, he has done great, so many great #3s have been on Pakistan in the past 5 years. Let's take a trip down memory lane with our superstars Malik, Younis, Kamran, and all the other TTFs. Bravo my friend, you got me there. I already addressed it above about batting position and performance. Good players perform regardless of where they are in some fashion. Again am I saying Rayadu is good? Nope. Just better than Shafiq.
The list A stats are almost null, and the funny thing is, I have always said that List A stats are more indicative of success but it is not the be all end all. I love how you make a finite statement, with no context of what was actually said and are running like a chicken with your head cut off to find a good argument. "Let me say things he kind of sort of said and ignore the bit that gives the point I am about to make useless to make it seem as though I have a legitimate argument". Nice attempt though. I will not give you flack for lack of effort because even with your lack of comprehension, you do give it your all to come up with tabloid arguments.
Finally, don't talk about my personal life and career. We both know that you have no argument and are basically trying to use a mirror to deflect an actual argument back at yourself. It's in poor taste. Others may not understand what is going on but me and you do.
Did I sit and talk about your medical career? Nope, but hey, let's deflect some more because when I have no argument about cricket, the best thing to do is talk about personal lives which have nothing to do with PP! Yay!
All in all, nice try. Using my tactics works when you put something of substance down, not run around like the village is on fire.
Don't waste my time anymore. I won't respond to you and you don't respond to me. Your little game gets others riled up, but it is just awful posting and I won't even bother.
