Amir Khan Says Terrorists 'Twist Islam' | Good Morning Britain (Piers Morgan) [VIDEO]

[shaz619]

 

[shaz619]

"Former world champion Amir Khan has spoken out against the terrorist attack on Manchester this week, with the British star saying that the bombing does not truly represent the Muslim faith. “It definitely worries me because at the end of the day I’ve got my little girl and, you can just see as time goes on it’s only getting worse and worse,” he said on Wednesday’s Good Morning Britain.

“And it worries me one day when she goes to school [that] people are going to be pointing a finger at her and thinking you’re Muslim and it gives all Muslims a bad name. “I think Muslims all have to stick together now. In all different religions there’s always good and bad. Me being a Muslim, this is something that’s against my religion – killing innocent people. In the Quran it doesn’t say that you should kill innocent people, this is something we’re all against so I think for sure we should all stick together and stop things like this happening."

When asked about people’s fears in reporting radicalisation, Khan (who lives in Bolton in the Greater Manchester area) added: “If people are watching this, if there is a lot of Muslims out there who know information, I think they should definitely go out there because this is giving all us Muslim people a bad name. I’m a Muslim. I’m a little bit scared walking the streets myself with my little girl because anything can happen.”

“Obviously I know people are pointing the finger at Muslims, but are we really sure that it is Muslim because this is something that is totally against our religion, if these people are saying they’re doing it because of Islam I really believe that’s not true. They’re twisting Islam and they’re just making it worse for everybody.” Speaking more generally about the attack, Khan said that it was “very upsetting,” while praising the response from the people of Manchester that has involved taxi drivers offering free rides and members of the public opening their homes to those in need.

“One thing about Manchester, everyone gets on with each other... If you look since the bomb happened, and the incident happened, a lot of the local restaurant owners, taxi drivers are helping each other, dropping food off at hospitals, supporting them in any way we can. “We all need to stick together; we are going through such a very tough time now where the people in Manchester all have to stick together. It’s wrong, whoever did this, it’s wrong.”

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[shaz619]

Bolton boxer Amir Khan calls for unity following Manchester Arena attack

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/manchester-arena-terror-amir-khan--13084150

Discussing its affect on the community and on himself as a practising Muslim, Khan said he had been moved by how locals had helped each other and urged people to “stick together”.
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

 

[Mamoon]

That is the only thing we (the normal) Muslims can say, but the truth is that it is becoming increasing difficult to condemn Islamophobia amongst the widespread public. It is normal for people to fear Islam when you have a group of people killing innocent people in the name of God. Think of the families who have lost their loved ones - do they really care that 'Islam is a religion of peace', and that majority of the Muslims don't share their ideology?

It is time for us to realize that this is something that we have to live with it, for as long as terrorism in the name of Islam is rampant. Simply labeling people as Islamophobes and calling them bigots will not help matters.

 

[shaz619]

That is the only thing we (the normal) Muslims can say, but the truth is that it is becoming increasing difficult to condemn Islamophobia amongst the widespread public. It is normal for people to fear Islam when you have a group of people killing innocent people in the name of God. Think of the families who have lost their loved ones - do they really care that 'Islam is a religion of peace', and that majority of the Muslims don't share their ideology?

It is time for us to realize that this is something that we have to live with it, for as long as terrorism in the name of Islam is rampant. Simply labeling people as Islamophobes and calling them bigots will not help matters.

It's a bit like when Afghanistani's or Pathans do something in Pakistan and your citizens will declare war on them and encourage an invasion despite being pacifists on an individual level when the tables are turned

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not too impressed with this interview at all. He should have taken Morgan to task on suggesting he and other Muslims need to stop such attacks.

Since when will he and his daughter ever be on a train or bus? He should have condemned it, supported unity and peace but came across as an apologist here.

 

[enkidu_]

Another apologetic clown. When in the 70s/80s the worst offence brown peoples could commit was curry odour they were chased down like dogs by Neo Nazis. Whites stopped being Neo Nazis when they got too old, but the raw sentiments are always there, ready to be cooked : it's not by becoming a doormat and let them wash off their feet on you that you'll recover any of the supposed "dignity". Mr "Khan" should have either avoided such mindless intervention, or summoned the wider geopolitics behind what we witness here.

 

[90MPH]

I cant stand Piers Morgan, just a attention seeking clown who doesnt know whats he talking about half the time yet pretends he has so much knowledge.

Amir stating the obvious but I will again there is no simplstic soloution. He shouldnt see the need to come out to speak out and sound so apolgetic.
Its a problem but everyone has to answer, not just asking 1 particular community as if they have all the answers.

 

[Adil_94]

end of the day Amir is just condemning the attacks as a regular Muslim. He wasnt there to bring Morgan to task. All he can do as a prominent Muslim figure is promote unity and harmony and of course call on people to not be afraid to report someone spouting extremist views that could stop them from getting radicalised further.

 

[Adil_94]

been some really funny responses to Morgan on twitter. as active citizens its our responsibility to report on anyone openly spouting hate but when its someone who doesnt air their views openly apart from his inner circle what can someone who lives down the street do. its like when people find out their neighbour was a serial killer and often the neighbours are like what im so surprised he seemed like a normal guy. a lot of the time these extremists will camouflage their true beliefs from family n friends. If u told a loved one u were goimg to blow yourself up. unless they were part of your plot they wouldnt never let u go through with it.

its easy to deal with a radical preacher than a random guy

 

[shaz619]

Not too impressed with this interview at all. He should have taken Morgan to task on suggesting he and other Muslims need to stop such attacks.

Since when will he and his daughter ever be on a train or bus? He should have condemned it, supported unity and peace but came across as an apologist here.

I don't think he came across as an apologist, his responses were very balanced and conformed to grievances from both ends of the spectrum. And he'd rather not get into an argument with Morgan who repeatedly provoked him but Amir remained civil and gave adequate answers. Khan wasn't speaking for himself with regards to the bus or train example but other Muslims whom are discriminated against for the actions of others and gave the example of his daughter in terms of not wanting her to be looked at a certain way and also worrying for her safety.

 

[shaz619]

end of the day Amir is just condemning the attacks as a regular Muslim. He wasnt there to bring Morgan to task. All he can do as a prominent Muslim figure is promote unity and harmony and of course call on people to not be afraid to report someone spouting extremist views that could stop them from getting radicalised further.

I totally agree with you, thought Khan did a fantastic job and he doesn't get enough credit from the Muslim community in general for such interviews but it really helps our perception in general when people are making stupid comments. And the key is to remain united, in fact his comments were more in favour of defending us then anything else and when Morgan said don't you think you should do more etc he pointed out that no doubt if someone notices something dodgy etc they should report it! simples! what more could he have said?

 

[shaz619]

I cant stand Piers Morgan, just a attention seeking clown who doesnt know whats he talking about half the time yet pretends he has so much knowledge.

Amir stating the obvious but I will again there is no simplstic soloution. He shouldnt see the need to come out to speak out and sound so apolgetic.
Its a problem but everyone has to answer, not just asking 1 particular community as if they have all the answers.

You can look at it that way where he "shouldn't need to come out" but I disagree, when there's so much bull crap being spewed do Amir's arguments actually hurt us or benefit us? in fact he was defending the community more then anything else and responded to the generic concerns which a certain portion of the British public have. The guy really can't win [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] in before the "hope he gets KO'd in his next fight, ca't wait to enjoy it" comments haha typical British Pakistani's when it comes to Amir

 

[90MPH]

You can look at it that way where he "shouldn't need to come out" but I disagree, when there's so much bull crap being spewed do Amir's arguments actually hurt us or benefit us? in fact he was defending the community more then anything else and responded to the generic concerns which a certain portion of the British public have. The guy really can't win [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] in before the "hope he gets KO'd in his next fight, ca't wait to enjoy it" comments haha typical British Pakistani's when it comes to Amir

Yeah that's fair enough but point being he or we as a community shouldn't see the need to keep coming out to condemn these lunatics as if we are shielding them.

If these nut cases can evade the police and M15 how the hell do people like Piers Morgan expect the average Muslim to detect them ??

Point is they should ask responsible questions and you will get responsible answers from the majority.

I remember the same happened during the IRA bombing campaign, as if one community was shielding them.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't think he came across as an apologist, his responses were very balanced and conformed to grievances from both ends of the spectrum. And he'd rather not get into an argument with Morgan who repeatedly provoked him but Amir remained civil and gave adequate answers. Khan wasn't speaking for himself with regards to the bus or train example but other Muslims whom are discriminated against for the actions of others and gave the example of his daughter in terms of not wanting her to be looked at a certain way and also worrying for her safety.

Tbf he gave the interview as expected but no offence to Amir but why is he on the show? The angle the presenters were coming from was all regarding how Muslims can help to make the country safer. They should have invited a good English speaking political Muslim analyst, not a boxer who can't offer anything on the subject.

 

[Sidilicious]

That is the only thing we (the normal) Muslims can say, but the truth is that it is becoming increasing difficult to condemn Islamophobia amongst the widespread public. It is normal for people to fear Islam when you have a group of people killing innocent people in the name of God. Think of the families who have lost their loved ones - do they really care that 'Islam is a religion of peace', and that majority of the Muslims don't share their ideology?

It is time for us to realize that this is something that we have to live with it, for as long as terrorism in the name of Islam is rampant. Simply labeling people as Islamophobes and calling them bigots will not help matters.

end of the day Amir is just condemning the attacks as a regular Muslim. He wasnt there to bring Morgan to task. All he can do as a prominent Muslim figure is promote unity and harmony and of course call on people to not be afraid to report someone spouting extremist views that could stop them from getting radicalised further.

Both of you have very valid points.

There is nothing else that a normal Muslim person can do, other than condemn it, if asked about it. Guys like you, Amir Khan or even my close muslim friends are not responsible for those nutcases, and neither of you have anything in common other than your religion.

But thinking from a victims perspective, if I had lost a child, parent or family member to these cowardly attacks, I doubt I would have been able to have the same sane thoughts. I also know that this is exactly what these nutcases want. They want the non-muslims to get further angry and retaliate killing more muslims and leading to more normal muslim guys getting radicalised again. And my reaction (if I was facing the tragedy) would facilitate this. Restraining oneself after this kind of tragedy is not easy. I remember how I was seething with anger and hatred during the Mumbai attacks, and the Paris attacks where a couple of my college mates were killed.

 

[shaz619]

Tbf he gave the interview as expected but no offence to Amir but why is he on the show? The angle the presenters were coming from was all regarding how Muslims can help to make the country safer. They should have invited a good English speaking political Muslim analyst, not a boxer who can't offer anything on the subject.

He is a household name, what he says will resonate with the public; and with him being a British Muslim his words of support do help a great deal. He may not have a degree from Oxford but that doesn't make him an idiot like the right wing would have you believe that demonize those who scratch and claw from the working class, the common man if you will. He made some very simple but effective comments which will ease tension on our streets; the political muslim would not have said anymore then PPers have on PP; and the average gorah would probably not be able to comprehend the intricacies of the problems we face so if one comes out and shows solidarity whilst defending muslims it's seriously not that bad

 

[Slog]

Honestly he comes across a bit thick.
Playing right into the narrative Piers Morgan is peddling that Muslims are culpable in this since they didn't turn him in

 

[shaz619]

Yeah that's fair enough but point being he or we as a community shouldn't see the need to keep coming out to condemn these lunatics as if we are shielding them.

If these nut cases can evade the police and M15 how the hell do people like Piers Morgan expect the average Muslim to detect them ??

Point is they should ask responsible questions and you will get responsible answers from the majority.

I remember the same happened during the IRA bombing campaign, as if one community was shielding them.

I know you guys would have liked it if Amir got hot, but would it have helped things? in fact it would have made things worse and he did respond to him adequately, Khan emphasised the need for unity which answers the question regarding us having to keep coming out etc whilst defending us; I know he shouldn't have to come on there but it can be seen as a positive to shut those up who always talk crap because they will always point fingers at us and should we just be silent and take it? we should respond to it positively when the opportunity presents itself now am not saying you should go around knocking on people's doors or anything like that but you get my point bro

 

[shaz619]

Honestly he comes across a bit thick.
Playing right into the narrative Piers Morgan is peddling that Muslims are culpable in this since they didn't turn him in

Well if you were smart you wouldn't call others "thick" I reject your privileged ignorance

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] exactly he was highlighting the backlash Muslims could face as a result of the attacks. Where is Amir saying that all British Muslims are to blame for this or should bear responsibility.

Nothing he said was bad at all. Calling on people to be more vigilante on extremists is a normal thing to say.

 

[Adil_94]

People describing the "Muslim community as a monolith is problematic too. 5 million Muslims are not one community its broken into many different communities.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Honestly he comes across a bit thick.
Playing right into the narrative Piers Morgan is peddling that Muslims are culpable in this since they didn't turn him in

He's a boxer, he's not going to win Pulitzer prizes for his intellect. Muslim celebrities are damned if they do, damned if they don't. He keeps quiet and the likes of Michael Vaughan are going to be inferring he's part of some 5th column because he hasn't reported his brother, cousin or auntie as potential terrorists.

 

[Mamoon]

I don't understand the criticism directed at Amir. He handled it as well as he could have in a situation like this. What was he expected to say? 'Shut up Piers and Susanna, you people are bigots and these terrorists have nothing to do with our peaceful religion'? He took a neutral position and empathized with the totally normal concerns of the public in general. That is all he could have said and done in his position.

 

[shaz619]

He's a boxer, he's not going to win Pulitzer prizes for his intellect. Muslim celebrities are damned if they do, damned if they don't. He keeps quiet and the likes of Michael Vaughan are going to be inferring he's part of some 5th column because he hasn't reported his brother, cousin or auntie as potential terrorists.

Amir did pass his GCSE's because you need minimum 5 to do a BTEC Diploma at College but he couldn't complete all the units in sports science because he was too busy winning an Olympic Silver Medal for his country as a 17 year old.

 

[shaz619]

I don't understand the criticism directed at Amir. He handled it as well as he could have in a situation like this. What was he expected to say? 'Shut up Piers and Susanna, you people are bigots and these terrorists have nothing to do with our peaceful religion'? He took a neutral position and empathized with the totally normal concerns of the public in general. That is all he could have said and done in his position.

See and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is actually a doctor, probably smarter then all of us; maybe not me because am a wannabe Rocket Scientist although a really bad one . And even he is not calling out Amir for his comments nor is he attacking his intelligence, that was very poor stuff and it seems personal more then anything else. They wanted Amir to Batista Bomb Piers through the table it seems and then after they would still be complaining.

 

[shaz619]

Probably should avoid opening another Amir Khan thread [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] it brings out the worst in some people , all hail Carl Froch will be providing his insight more often [MENTION=131867]London_Lahori[/MENTION]

 

[Mamoon]

See and [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is actually a doctor, probably smarter then all of us; maybe not me because am a wannabe Rocket Scientist although a really bad one . And even he is not calling out Amir for his comments nor is he attacking his intelligence, that was very poor stuff and it seems personal more then anything else. They wanted Amir to Batista Bomb Piers through the table it seems and then after they would still be complaining.

Don't know if I am smart or not, but more than intelligence, you need good memory to be a doctor. Nonetheless, quite a few people have an axe to grind against Amir, which is the norm sadly.

 

[ExpressPacer]

Good interview from Amir. Hes been getting a lot of hate on twitter for not representing Muslims will enough but honestly, saying too much at such a difficult time, especially with the kind of fame he has, is never the best idea.

 

[ShahKhan007]

Its truly a sad state of affairs for British Pakistani's and Muslims in Britain when Amir Khan is considered a spokesman for the community.

 

[PakLFC]

If you want to end terrorism in the west then get out of Muslim countries and stop supporting regimes that oppress them. Tell the Muslim's their to sort out their own problems.

 

[90MPH]

Its truly a sad state of affairs for British Pakistani's and Muslims in Britain when Amir Khan is considered a spokesman for the community.

He's speaking for no one but himself.

There are lot of Muslim/Pakistan speakers out there who have much more knowledge on this subject and have a better understanding of the problems and solutions like the gentleman on BBCs question time today.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Its truly a sad state of affairs for British Pakistani's and Muslims in Britain when Amir Khan is considered a spokesman for the community.

He's not a spokesman, he's a public figure associated with the community.

 

[Red Devil]

Bolton boxer Amir Khan calls for unity following Manchester Arena attack

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/manchester-arena-terror-amir-khan--13084150

Discussing its affect on the community and on himself as a practising Muslim, Khan said he had been moved by how locals had helped each other and urged people to “stick together”.
[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Don't know what people here wanted him to do, knock out the interviewer? Showing a bit of tact in such a sensitive situation is probably the best way to go. Amir did well to get his point across.

 

[Slog]

Well if you were smart you wouldn't call others "thick" I reject your privileged ignorance

He's a boxer, he's not going to win Pulitzer prizes for his intellect. Muslim celebrities are damned if they do, damned if they don't. He keeps quiet and the likes of Michael Vaughan are going to be inferring he's part of some 5th column because he hasn't reported his brother, cousin or auntie as potential terrorists.

to me it seems Piers Morgan had an agenda he was pursuing (ie. establish a Muslim link to culpability in such acts) and that just went right over Amir's head...

 

[shaz619]

to me it seems Piers Morgan had an agenda he was pursuing (ie. establish a Muslim link to culpability in such acts) and that just went right over Amir's head...

He knew exactly what Piers was up to and did the smart thing; which not indulge in a nonsensical argument which will defeat the purpose of him being there. All Piers cares about is ratings like those dumbo desi anchors who tbh with you just like to fight for the sake of it and also due to their ego lol

 

[shaz619]

Don't know what people here wanted him to do, knock out the interviewer? Showing a bit of tact in such a sensitive situation is probably the best way to go. Amir did well to get his point across.

They wanted Amir to spear him through the table

 

[James]

If you want to end terrorism in the west then get out of Muslim countries and stop supporting regimes that oppress them. Tell the Muslim's their to sort out their own problems.

Do you condemn the Manchester attack?

 

[PakLFC]

Do you condemn the Manchester attack?

Of course I do. Do you condemn British and NATO soldiers having killed so many innocents in the Middle East and Afghanistan?

 

[shaz619]

Of course I do. Do you condemn British and NATO soldiers having killed so many innocents in the Middle East and Afghanistan?

Like we give a toss about what is happening a million miles away, what the hell have the Middle Easterns ever done for you? and don't give me the freedom fighters rhetoric, ISIS ideology is beyond avenging the deaths of innocents in the Middle East.

 

[shaz619]

Whenever something happens the first thing these people say is "oh what about the middle east" that is their first thought rather then condemn the deaths of innocents in our country, where is your love and affect for the country of your birth you ungrateful people; these guys go to the Job Centre to sign on and then step outside to wave the Al-Arabiya and Phalestine flag [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] I say screw you all! you may as well go and hang out with your Middle Eastern brothers if you do not appreciate her Majesty the Queen talk about biting the hand that feeds them! [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]

Thankfully there are more British Asian/Carribean Muslims like me and tolerant Non-Muslim Brits who do not define us by the beliefs of radicals. We stand together, UNITED; that is what we need to overcome all obstacles.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] lmao mans got their whole roti from u.k but when u.k people die. bring in deaths of others in countries halfway across the world for political point scoring. Plenty of us disagree with what our govt done in iraq and libya but that doesnt mean we harm.our fellow citizens. like salma yaqoob in my local constituency she is anti war campaigner but she isnt endorsing or committing terror.

that is just a cop out and easy way out to justify why these guys do thia stuff. They use issues like that as a smokescreen.

ISIS done the same thing blowing up innocent football fans in Iraq.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] lmao mans got their whole roti from u.k but when u.k people die. bring in deaths of others in countries halfway across the world for political point scoring. Plenty of us disagree with what our govt done in iraq and libya but that doesnt mean we harm.our fellow citizens. like salma yaqoob in my local constituency she is anti war campaigner but she isnt endorsing or committing terror.

that is just a cop out and easy way out to justify why these guys do thia stuff. They use issues like that as a smokescreen.

ISIS done the same thing blowing up innocent football fans in Iraq.

If anything foreign policy is used by ISIS as a tool for radicalisation! they're not avenging the deaths of no innocent or anything like that, their ideology is limited to barbarism. Neither of us agree with the invasion of Iraq and have campaigned against it but people should also remember that it is your people who are being killed in the UK YOUR PEOPLE! this is our turf, it doesn't matter what others may think or look at you a certain way but in the grand scheme majority of us are in UNION, so go take your bs grievances in this moment away and let me mourn the BABIES who ISIS SLAUGHTERED IN MANCHESTER! and there is no direct link with what the government does away from home with the ISIS ideology, what you should be criticising is Tory policy for cutting back on our forces and the ineptness displayed to prevent the attacks in Manchester

 

[James]

Of course I do. Do you condemn British and NATO soldiers having killed so many innocents in the Middle East and Afghanistan?

Yes.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Amir sadly has little leverage or respect in the community.

The affairs and Twitter scandal have seen to that.

 

[Markhor]

Foreign policy is one important part of the story, but Islamists and the far-left would like you to believe its the whole story.

The British government have wholly underestimated the damage done by the Libyan campaign of 2011, creating a huge ungoverned space right on our doorstep, leaving a vacuum for extremists to exploit.

However this excuse cannot be trotted out after every attack. What grievances over Western foreign policy was there for the Stockholm attacker ? Who have Sweden invaded ? Germany has suffered terrorist atrocities despite OPPOSING the Iraq War. What western foreign policy grievances exist for Boko Haram in Nigeria, ISIS in Bangladesh and the Philippines, or TTP in Pakistan ?

Even if you did have grievances over western foreign policy, wouldn't you attack legitimate military targets instead teenagers attending a concert, some of whom not even old enough to pay taxes to FUND these wars LET ALONE fight in them ?

Foreign policy is not to be totally discounted, and I agree there is a double standards by the media between viilence committed by the state vs violence committed by individuals. But there are those who unwittingly justify terrorist actions when trying to use it to explain the motives for every terrorist incident.

 

[PakLFC]

Like we give a toss about what is happening a million miles away, what the hell have the Middle Easterns ever done for you? and don't give me the freedom fighters rhetoric, ISIS ideology is beyond avenging the deaths of innocents in the Middle East.

Who said anything about me liking the Arabs? If we the Brits keep killing them then those nutcases will keep attacking us like they are. We should care what is happening in the war zones coz it will come back and bite us as well. Plain common sense.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Foreign policy is one important part of the story, but Islamists and the far-left would like you to believe its the whole story.

The British government have wholly underestimated the damage done by the Libyan campaign of 2011, creating a huge ungoverned space right on our doorstep, leaving a vacuum for extremists to exploit.

However this excuse cannot be trotted out after every attack. What grievances over Western foreign policy was there for the Stockholm attacker ? Who have Sweden invaded ? Germany has suffered terrorist atrocities despite OPPOSING the Iraq War. What western foreign policy grievances exist for Boko Haram in Nigeria, ISIS in Bangladesh and the Philippines, or TTP in Pakistan ?

Even if you did have grievances over western foreign policy, wouldn't you attack legitimate military targets instead teenagers attending a concert, some of whom not even old enough to pay taxes to FUND these wars LET ALONE fight in them ?

Foreign policy is not to be totally discounted, and I agree there is a double standards by the media between viilence committed by the state vs violence committed by individuals. But there are those who unwittingly justify terrorist actions when trying to use it to explain the motives for every terrorist incident.

The British intelligence services have also stated foriegn policy will cause terrorism. Does this mean they are also justifying attacks? A lame and rather daft thing to say tbh.

It is the root cause, there is no doubt about it.

 

[shaz619]

Who said anything about me liking the Arabs? If we the Brits keep killing them then those nutcases will keep attacking us like they are. We should care what is happening in the war zones coz it will come back and bite us as well. Plain common sense.

I don't think sense is common or else we'd know that ISIS by no means attack BABIES due to foreign policy, they want to spread Wahabism and have attacked countries all over the world; even Saudi Arabia !! there's an argument to be made that ISIS use the us against the world rhetoric to recruit more soldiers to begin with but it gets to a point where it is the twisted ideology which consumed the people who inevitably commit these unspeakable evils. That's not to say that the government should not mend their ways when it comes to their ulterior motives abroad. And when our Middle Eastern folk are always the first thing people bring up then I will definitely question our allegiances and it's not like ISIS spare those people so I really don't get the oh well babies are dead in Manchester but they also die in Middle East comparison

 

[PakLFC]

I don't think sense is common or else we'd know that ISIS by no means attack BABIES due to foreign policy, they want to spread Wahabism and have attacked countries all over the world; even Saudi Arabia !! there's an argument to be made that ISIS use the us against the world rhetoric to recruit more soldiers to begin with but it gets to a point where it is the twisted ideology which consumed the people who inevitably commit these unspeakable evils. That's not to say that the government should not mend their ways when it comes to their ulterior motives abroad. And when our Middle Eastern folk are always the first thing people bring up then I will definitely question our allegiances and it's not like ISIS spare those people so I really don't get the oh well babies are dead in Manchester but they also die in Middle East comparison

Oh yes they do! To ISIS if it was them behind the attacks all of the west is evil. I am afraid they do not differentiate between the good and the bad. Saudi has nothing to do with the Manchester attacks at all. They brainwash kid's through showing them video's of what western forces have done in the Middle Eat encouraging them to seek revenge. Some western politiian has today also come out and admitted that such attacks are linked to NATO/British involvement in the Gulf region. It is smple, get out of the Gulf then tell them to sort their own problems. Anyone in the UK suspected of supporting groups like ISIS should be deported without being questioned.

You've missed me with " That's not to say that the government should not mend their ways when it comes to their ulterior motives abroad. And when our Middle Eastern folk are always the first thing people bring up then I will definitely question our allegiances and it's not like ISIS spare those people so I really don't get the oh well babies are dead in Manchester but they also die in Middle East comparison".

 

[KingKhanWC]

I don't think sense is common or else we'd know that ISIS by no means attack BABIES due to foreign policy, they want to spread Wahabism and have attacked countries all over the world; even Saudi Arabia !! there's an argument to be made that ISIS use the us against the world rhetoric to recruit more soldiers to begin with but it gets to a point where it is the twisted ideology which consumed the people who inevitably commit these unspeakable evils. That's not to say that the government should not mend their ways when it comes to their ulterior motives abroad. And when our Middle Eastern folk are always the first thing people bring up then I will definitely question our allegiances and it's not like ISIS spare those people so I really don't get the oh well babies are dead in Manchester but they also die in Middle East comparison

Bro you need to think how did ISIS come into existance in the first place. Their methods of killing innocent people including children are vile but the truth is the way the western goverments killed babies, ISIS could never imagine competing with them.

The 'War on Terror' was supposed to eradicate terrorism but has only increased it by many folds. It's a cycle of violence which was started due to imperial agendas not to save brown people from their despot leaders.

 

[shaz619]

Oh yes they do! To ISIS if it was them behind the attacks all of the west is evil. I am afraid they do not differentiate between the good and the bad. Saudi has nothing to do with the Manchester attacks at all. They brainwash kid's through showing them video's of what western forces have done in the Middle Eat encouraging them to seek revenge. Some western politiian has today also come out and admitted that such attacks are linked to NATO/British involvement in the Gulf region. It is smple, get out of the Gulf then tell them to sort their own problems. Anyone in the UK suspected of supporting groups like ISIS should be deported without being questioned.

You've missed me with " That's not to say that the government should not mend their ways when it comes to their ulterior motives abroad. And when our Middle Eastern folk are always the first thing people bring up then I will definitely question our allegiances and it's not like ISIS spare those people so I really don't get the oh well babies are dead in Manchester but they also die in Middle East comparison".

Bro you need to think how did ISIS come into existance in the first place. Their methods of killing innocent people including children are vile but the truth is the way the western goverments killed babies, ISIS could never imagine competing with them.

The 'War on Terror' was supposed to eradicate terrorism but has only increased it by many folds. It's a cycle of violence which was started due to imperial agendas not to save brown people from their despot leaders.

I agree with what you lot are saying and the governments are at fault as well but that's not to say that ISIS should not be criticised and there is no denying that their ideology is a huge problem. Often, the blame being shifted to the governments takes a way from the role which ISIS play and a big chunk of Muslim choose to ignore their impact.

If NATO and the rest pull out do you guys seriously believe ISIS will stop? there are individuals overseas who are very easy to radicalise through those video tapes PAKLFC speaks off but what about those with sick and twisted minds? those who genuinely believe in exterminating everyone muslim and non-muslim alike to ensure the dominance of wahabism because we'e all a fitnah or bidah

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree with what you lot are saying and the governments are at fault as well but that's not to say that ISIS should not be criticised and there is no denying that their ideology is a huge problem. Often, the blame being shifted to the governments takes a way from the role which ISIS play and a big chunk of Muslim choose to ignore their impact.

If NATO and the rest pull out do you guys seriously believe ISIS will stop? there are individuals overseas who are very easy to radicalise through those video tapes PAKLFC speaks off but what about those with sick and twisted minds? those who genuinely believe in exterminating everyone muslim and non-muslim alike to ensure the dominance of wahabism because we'e all a fitnah or bidah

Manchester had nothing to do with ISIS, they claimed responbility many hours after the tragic incident. It was someone whose family was supported by Nato to overthrow Gaddafi. Nato has been financing, arming and helping 'extremists'/'rebels' openly in Syria and Libya.

Will they Stop? Maybe not but will the threat level decrease, yes it will. Continous bombing will only make Britain more vunerable.

Btw did you know ISIS had only 800 fighters initially who defeated 30,000 Iraqi troops who had much more sophistaced equipment. Do you really believe this and the official narrative?

 

[shaz619]

Manchester had nothing to do with ISIS, they claimed responbility many hours after the tragic incident. It was someone whose family was supported by Nato to overthrow Gaddafi. Nato has been financing, arming and helping 'extremists'/'rebels' openly in Syria and Libya.

Will they Stop? Maybe not but will the threat level decrease, yes it will. Continous bombing will only make Britain more vunerable.

Btw did you know ISIS had only 800 fighters initially who defeated 30,000 Iraqi troops who had much more sophistaced equipment. Do you really believe this and the official narrative?

I agree with that, their origins are well documented but as it stands ideological problems are just as big a concern for me, this is how these people think; it all starts with the mawlid is a shirkh then they move onto bombing those who make dua at grave sites and then they go for babies. In the ideal world it would be great for the pull out overseas and an extermination of the Wahabi ideology, but when these attacks happens we need to look at both sides of the coin because it can send the wrong message which many I understand do not intend and defeats the purpose of our unity in Britain

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree with that, their origins are well documented but as it stands ideological problems are just as big a concern for me, this is how these people think; it all starts with the mawlid is a shirkh then they move onto bombing those who make dua at grave sites and then they go for babies. In the ideal world it would be great for the pull out overseas and an extermination of the Wahabi ideology, but when these attacks happens we need to look at both sides of the coin because it can send the wrong message which many I understand do not intend and defeats the purpose of our unity in Britain

Secterianism is nothing new and will always be prevalant. The reason secterianism has become more violent is due to the conditions in certain countries. All we can do is speak to angry young men who might be streered down the wrong path. In the UK we have avenues to protest against foriegn policy and we can elect or remove politicians if they are trigger happy.

 

[Adil_94]

ISIS dont give a damn about Syrians or Iraqis they are making their lives living hells under their barbaric rule in their pseudo state. They use foreign policy as a smokescreen for their ideology. France Germany Sweden Belgium were against the Iraq War. France was routinely mocked by American neo cons for being against the war. Their decision to not support war hasnt saved them.from ISIS violence. ISIS attack western countries not because of the West deposing Saddam they hated Saddam anyway he was a non believer to them and the invasion ended up being a blessing in disguise for them . But because the West is attacking their "state" and is weakening them and also because western governments are not letting IS sympathisers come to Syria freely and confiscating their passports. They have encouraged attacks by their supporters if govts continue to stop them from coming to Syria.

ISIS inspired attacks are a part of ISIS foreign policy they dont have aircraft war ships or missiles so they are using this type of warfare to get revenge for them being pushed back across Syria and Iraq. ISIS is nearly been pushed out of Iraq now the more they start to lose and their utopia crumbles they will try to resort to these tactics to instill fear in their enemies.

 

[idrizzy]

Yeah that's fair enough but point being he or we as a community shouldn't see the need to keep coming out to condemn these lunatics as if we are shielding them.

If these nut cases can evade the police and M15 how the hell do people like Piers Morgan expect the average Muslim to detect them ??

Point is they should ask responsible questions and you will get responsible answers from the majority.

I remember the same happened during the IRA bombing campaign, as if one community was shielding them.

The guy was reported on several occasions, was on MI5's 'list' yet nothing could be done because he didn't commit a crime despite having extremist views. Like you said, if higher authorities can't do anything, what can we? Reminds me of Orwell's 1984.

As this argument is quashed, the next argument is 'Islam is a religion of terrorism' which is the main topic in the media nowadays. I think that's the question we should be asking even though I know the real answer.

Source: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/manchester-arena-bomber-salman-abedi-10498466

 

[Markhor]

The British intelligence services have also stated foriegn policy will cause terrorism. Does this mean they are also justifying attacks? A lame and rather daft thing to say tbh.

It is the root cause, there is no doubt about it.

I agree foreign policy is one cause, I acknowledged as much in my post - however it is not the ONLY cause. Again, what western foreign policy grievance existed for the Stockholm attacker - who have Sweden invaded and occupied ?

What foreign policy motive existed for the Paris or Berlin attackers when France AND Germany opposed the Iraq war and have opened their doors to thousands of Arab refugees ?

 

[shaz619]

I agree foreign policy is one cause, I acknowledged as much in my post - however it is not the ONLY cause. Again, what western foreign policy grievance existed for the Stockholm attacker - who have Sweden invaded and occupied ?

What foreign policy motive existed for the Paris or Berlin attackers when France AND Germany opposed the Iraq war and have opened their doors to thousands of Arab refugees ?

I don't think he denies that but [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] is of the view that there would not be a Stockholm or Berlin/Paris attacker in the first place if Iraq had not been invaded. The Bush administration built the case for war on fallacies and intelligence which came from torturing people.

There were no weapons of mass destruction and Britain/US contributed to the sectarian polarisation in the middle east which created ISIS. Said invaders benefited from a boost to the stocks of oil companies and especially defence contractors; and I know that personally because at the few interviews I managed to nail was asked this question every time "Do you have any issues with our company developing and selling military products".

Such attacks were not rampant as they are now in the 2000's. If we are to combat extremism we have to stop giving ISIS an excuse by invading and occupying various countries, it also makes it easier for them to radicalise Muslims. Amidst all this madness we also need to acknowledge the implications of the ISIS ideology and the west should play a positive role in the Middle East and be an honest broker but that is unlikely given the economic benefits of War;

Just to give an example, for my final year project I investigated UAV's and touched on their market appeal, in 1997 the total income of their global market was $2.27 billion , $13.22 billion in 2016 and it is projected to be $28.27 billion by 2022. One of the biggest key factors included increased defence budgets. So I highly doubt that we'll ever play the good Samaritan in the Middle East unless someone like a Jeremy Corbyn or Bernie Sanders come into power to sort all the mess out.

 

[90MPH]

I agree foreign policy is one cause, I acknowledged as much in my post - however it is not the ONLY cause. Again, what western foreign policy grievance existed for the Stockholm attacker - who have Sweden invaded and occupied ?

What foreign policy motive existed for the Paris or Berlin attackers when France AND Germany opposed the Iraq war and have opened their doors to thousands of Arab refugees ?

It's a good point.

Honestly foreign policy excuse is just a red herring for these ISIS nutters. Look how many innocent Iraqis and Syrians they have killed yet that doesn't even make the news.

It's something else that is driving these lunatics and even I'm not really not sure what it is - could be something to do with their past or trying to gain attention.

 

[shaz619]

It's a good point.

Honestly foreign policy excuse is just a red herring for these ISIS nutters. Look how many innocent Iraqis and Syrians they have killed yet that doesn't even make the news.

It's something else that is driving these lunatics and even I'm not really not sure what it is - could be something to do with their past or trying to gain attention.

Yes, this is the issue we have at present and it must be dealt with even though the origins were the root cause it's something which we can't take back sadly. So what we do need is for the west to leave the ME if they do not intend to make things any better and in addition the toxic Wahabi ideology needs to be dealt with; we in the UK can sort it out by stopping all the funding of madrasas which comes from Saudi Arabia and the amendment of foreign policy can prevent ISIS from easily recruiting disgruntled Muslims overseas

 

[Slog]

Does the loyalty of British Muslims lie with Muslims or Britain. If you had to pick one and that choice would hurt the other would the choice be Britain or the Muslim community?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I agree foreign policy is one cause, I acknowledged as much in my post - however it is not the ONLY cause. Again, what western foreign policy grievance existed for the Stockholm attacker - who have Sweden invaded and occupied ?

What foreign policy motive existed for the Paris or Berlin attackers when France AND Germany opposed the Iraq war and have opened their doors to thousands of Arab refugees ?

No you wrote

"But there are those who unwittingly justify terrorist actions when trying to use it to explain the motives for every terrorist incident."

Was the head of the intillegence servcies also justifying attacks by saying the foriegn policy will cause such attacks?

It isnt the only cause but the MAIN cause.

France has been bombing kids in Libya and Syria. Europeans stand together as one people, so cant expect to be seen different when it comes to attacks.

There was no attacks in Britain before the immoral wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. This is a fact which cannot be denied.

 

[Slog]

No you wrote

"But there are those who unwittingly justify terrorist actions when trying to use it to explain the motives for every terrorist incident."

Was the head of the intillegence servcies also justifying attacks by saying the foriegn policy will cause such attacks?

It isnt the only cause but the MAIN cause.

France has been bombing kids in Libya and Syria. Europeans stand together as one people, so cant expect to be seen different when it comes to attacks.

There was no attacks in Britain before the immoral wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. This is a fact which cannot be denied.

Yes Isis and terrorists care for which western country was in the war before they decide to attack.

France? Belgium? Neither were in the Iraq war

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes Isis and terrorists care for which western country was in the war before they decide to attack.

France? Belgium? Neither were in the Iraq war

It's not just the war in Iraq, in case you missed the news there were other nations which were bombed. Nations which didn't attack France or Belguim but they decided to drop bombs on them.

UK intelligence services, top polticians, the attackers themselves have all said due to such foriegn policy attacks are expected now.

 

[shaz619]

Does the loyalty of British Muslims lie with Muslims or Britain. If you had to pick one and that choice would hurt the other would the choice be Britain or the Muslim community?

They are both the same we're all one united front under the banner of "British" it's like you asking me to pick between my brother and sister

 

[Markhor]

No you wrote

"But there are those who unwittingly justify terrorist actions when trying to use it to explain the motives for every terrorist incident."

Yes there are some on the far-left and within our own community who apologise for terrorism by arguing it only exists because of western foreign policy (not saying you), when ISIS recruits are motivated by multiple reasons. Some are social misfits seeking a sense of belonging, some are brainwashed via social media, some believe in the cause of reviving the Caliphate, some have violent, sociopathic tendencies, and yes some also seek to avenge western interventions in the Middle East which has inflamed resentments in the Muslim World.

You can go read the interviews of these recruits and they state a variety of reasons not simply foreign policy. I remember in the 1990s how Hizb-ut-Tahrir attracted thousands to their conferences well before Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

It isnt the only cause but the MAIN cause.

If western actions are the main cause of terrorist violence then why are the vast majority of terrorist victims practising Muslims who have nothing to do with western foreign policymaking ?

Before the Paris attack, Beirut was hit by two suicide attacks killing over 40 people. ISIS have bombed Turkey multiple times, massacred tourists at a beach resort in Tunisia, and have committed attacks in Mali, Philippines, Indonesia, Bangladesh and Nigeria. Are the foreign policies of all those countries to blame too ? How did they provoke these attacks ?

What about the Yazidis who have had war crimes committed against them by ISIS, with large numbers of women raped and abducted ? What explains the rise of terrorist groups in Bangladesh and Indonesia with NO recent history of Western military intervention ?

There was no attacks in Britain before the immoral wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. This is a fact which cannot be denied.

No but the ideology driving terrorism has evolved and nurtured over decades well before 2001 - in large parts thanks to Saudi/GCC money and support, sectarian polarisation in the Middle East after the Iranian Revolution, rise of social media which gives extremists global access to millions of young minds, and indeed the West even nurtured some of these Islamist groups thinking they could be used to achieve geopolitical objectives.

Believe me, I get frustrated when idiots like Bill Maher and Sam Harris trot out the "they hate us 'cos they hate us" line because that's BS and totally absolves the West of ANY blame for inflaming extremism. However on the other end of the spectrum there are those who refuse to admit any problems existing in the Muslim world and deflect everything onto the West.

 

[mani1]

Yes there are some on the far-left and within our own community who apologise for terrorism by arguing it only exists because of western foreign policy (not saying you), when ISIS recruits are motivated by multiple reasons. Some are social misfits seeking a sense of belonging, some are brainwashed via social media, some believe in the cause of reviving the Caliphate, some have violent, sociopathic tendencies, and yes some also seek to avenge western interventions in the Middle East which has inflamed resentments in the Muslim World.

You can go read the interviews of these recruits and they state a variety of reasons not simply foreign policy. I remember in the 1990s how Hizb-ut-Tahrir attracted thousands to their conferences well before Iraq and Afghanistan wars.


If western actions are the main cause of terrorist violence then why are the vast majority of terrorist victims practising Muslims who have nothing to do with western foreign policymaking ?

Before the Paris attack, Beirut was hit by two suicide attacks killing over 40 people. ISIS have bombed Turkey multiple times, massacred tourists at a beach resort in Tunisia, and have committed attacks in Mali, Philippines, Indonesia, Bangladesh and Nigeria. Are the foreign policies of all those countries to blame too ? How did they provoke these attacks ?

What about the Yazidis who have had war crimes committed against them by ISIS, with large numbers of women raped and abducted ? What explains the rise of terrorist groups in Bangladesh and Indonesia with NO recent history of Western military intervention ?


No but the ideology driving terrorism has evolved and nurtured over decades well before 2001 - in large parts thanks to Saudi/GCC money and support, sectarian polarisation in the Middle East after the Iranian Revolution, rise of social media which gives extremists global access to millions of young minds, and indeed the West even nurtured some of these Islamist groups thinking they could be used to achieve geopolitical objectives.

Believe me, I get frustrated when idiots like Bill Maher and Sam Harris trot out the "they hate us 'cos they hate us" line because that's BS and totally absolves the West of ANY blame for inflaming extremism. However on the other end of the spectrum there are those who refuse to admit any problems existing in the Muslim world and deflect everything onto the West.

The thing is in the 90's you had European Christian's committing genocide against Muslims in Bosnia etc whilst the moral West watched on and in some cases (Dutch) watched/allowed it to happen.

Coincidentally isn't Serbia in line to be in the Christian Ummah as Erdogan calls it?

 

[KingKhanWC]

]Yes there are some on the far-left and within our own community who apologise for terrorism by arguing it[/B] only exists because of western foreign policy (not saying you), when ISIS recruits are motivated by multiple reasons. Some are social misfits seeking a sense of belonging, some are brainwashed via social media, some believe in the cause of reviving the Caliphate, some have violent, sociopathic tendencies, and yes some also seek to avenge western interventions in the Middle East which has inflamed resentments in the Muslim World.

You can go read the interviews of these recruits and they state a variety of reasons not simply foreign policy. I remember in the 1990s how Hizb-ut-Tahrir attracted thousands to their conferences well before Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

[\QUOTE]

Who are these people on the far left?

If western actions are the main cause of terrorist violence then why are the vast majority of terrorist victims practising Muslims who have nothing to do with western foreign policymaking ?

You know as well as anyone, Iraq was a disastour from beginning up until now. After removing Saddam the western nations set in a road which was designed to create secterian violence. Yes Muslims are being killed but again it's a result of a failed foriegn policy based on a lie and nothing short of state terrorism on a huge scale.

Before the Paris attack, Beirut was hit by two suicide attacks killing over 40 people. ISIS have bombed Turkey multiple times, massacred tourists at a beach resort in Tunisia, and have committed attacks in Mali, Philippines, Indonesia, Bangladesh and Nigeria. Are the foreign policies of all those countries to blame too ? How did they provoke these attacks ?

What about the Yazidis who have had war crimes committed against them by ISIS, with large numbers of women raped and abducted ? What explains the rise of terrorist groups in Bangladesh and Indonesia with NO recent history of Western military intervention ?

So you're travelling the globe to back up your point of attacks in the UK? The war in the middle east esp Iraq set of a tick time bomb which has found itself roaming the planet. People who are/were angry, alienated, had extremist tendencies have latched on this , fed off the conditions.

No but the ideology driving terrorism has evolved and nurtured over decades well before 2001 - in large parts thanks to Saudi/GCC money and support, sectarian polarisation in the Middle East after the Iranian Revolution, rise of social media which gives extremists global access to millions of young minds, and indeed the West even nurtured some of these Islamist groups thinking they could be used to achieve geopolitical objectives.

Believe me, I get frustrated when idiots like Bill Maher and Sam Harris trot out the "they hate us 'cos they hate us" line because that's BS and totally absolves the West of ANY blame for inflaming extremism. However on the other end of the spectrum there are those who refuse to admit any problems existing in the Muslim world and deflect everything onto the West.

Look the ideology can't be that for the wesetern governments as they have been openly supporting them in Syria and Libya. After what you wrote, explain this?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Well Done Piers Morgan


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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Good Read: <a href="https://twitter.com/piersmorgan">@piersmorgan</a> condemns the white supremacy terrorism espoused by Islamophobe Tommy Robinson <a href="https://t.co/MPlFO1tbm7">https://t.co/MPlFO1tbm7</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FinsburyPark?src=hash">#FinsburyPark</a></p>— Qasim Rashid, Esq. (@MuslimIQ) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuslimIQ/status/877557935781666816">June 21, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[KingKhanWC]

^

lol.

This Qasim Rashid doesn't even know anything about Britain.

Morgan was terrible as usual, on a number of occasions he said he agreed with some of what Tommy Robinson says and then allowed him to wave the Quran around in a disrespectful manner. Pathetic interview from a clown who claims to be a journalist.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

^

lol.

This Qasim Rashid doesn't even know anything about Britain.

Morgan was terrible as usual, on a number of occasions he said he agreed with some of what Tommy Robinson says and then allowed him to wave the Quran around in a disrespectful manner. Pathetic interview from a clown who claims to be a journalist.

I don't bite people so you can quote me


You think Qasim doesn't know Britain ? Lolz.


Context ? Piers is been appreciated for only what ? For his saying that " Finsbury attack is what ISIS wants "

Qasim is well aware of Piers antics and He will appreciate him when he agrees with him and he will do post mortem and will criticise him when he disagrees with him.


We yes We (not you) have taken a fair class of Tommy Robbinson's BS. Read Umer Nasser's article on rational religion.


Mind you before you again go for Sect Sect stuff do read who is tackling Islamophobea on Huffington Post, Guardian, Washtington Post etc etc. Get out of your Bubble mate

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Google this

" White supremacist asks Muslim lawyer why there is no 'Christian ISIS,' gets schooled "

Only 79k Retweets & 142K likes yeah mostly by Muslims Alhamdoulillah.


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A white supremacist DM'd me claiming Islam is violent & taunted me to show "where's the Christian version of Isis?"<br><br>This was my response. <a href="https://t.co/YgvbrTjzCi">pic.twitter.com/YgvbrTjzCi</a></p>— Qasim Rashid, Esq. (@MuslimIQ) <a href="https://twitter.com/MuslimIQ/status/848744792481824770">April 3, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Do educate me if any of your Scholar gave such a Shut Up Call to white supremist Islam Hater through their Pen and not just " Naaray " " Slogans "

 

[Muhammad10]

Please leave sectarian arguments irrelevant to the topic at hand off this thread. Thanks.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Piers Morgan a famous journalist this time came across a really erudite professor and that is why he looked so uncomfortable. Watch the argument below yourself and mention who indeed was in a predicament here

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