An all-time India XI (ODIs)

[mominsaigol]

This thread is about ODIs. Read OP first.

And? Is it my fault you pasted Ashwin as = to Pollock? Wanna know how good Pollock was in odi?

Give up on Ashwin and admit he's rubbish. I won a long time ago.

 

[Bhaijaan]

1) Rohit
2) Sachin
3) Kohli
4) Azharuddin
5) Yuvraj
6) Dhoni (c) (wk)
7) Kapil
8) Kumble
9) Zaheer
10) Bumrah
11) Shami

Nice team but in Asia that’s too many paces probably. Will drop Zak for Pandya or Kuldeep

 

[Ab Fan]

One can only wonder what has Ashwin and Pollock got to do with this thread.

Yes, it is your fault if you make assumptions randomly without context and on top of that make premature celebration on an uncontested argument

And? Is it my fault you pasted Ashwin as = to Pollock? Wanna know how good Pollock was in odi?

Give up on Ashwin and admit he's rubbish. I won a long time ago.

 

[mominsaigol]

One can only wonder what has Ashwin and Pollock got to do with this thread.

Yes, it is your fault if you make assumptions randomly without context and on top of that make premature celebration on an uncontested argument

I want my victory, that's all. I want your acknowledgement of defeat. That's it.

Once acknowledged, we are square compadre .

We debated a long time ago and I had won then, as I have won now. Give up brother, I'm offering you my hand as your older brother .

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Sehwag > Rohit bhai. Easier to glorify rohit when he plays in a 2 new ball era.

Azhar > Dravid? What? Why? How does that work?

Massive respect for not including jadeja and Ashwin, Allah ka shukar.

Dravid batted too slow for his era.

Sehwag was world class only for a 3-4 year period (2008-2011) when he was probably the best ODI opener in the world.

He was pretty average and inconsistent for way too long

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[AMSS]

Sachin
Rohit
Kohli
Yuvi
Dhoni
Hardik
Kapil
Axar
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Shami

This is objectively the best India XI of all time. Broaches no debate. You might raise an eyebrow at Axar's presence and yes, he does not have the miles yet and some might suggest Jaddu but I am going to stand by my choice. Axar is just a lot more versatile both in bowling and batting depts.

3 out and out wicket takers in Shami, Boom and Kuldeep. Kapil, Axar and Hardik as defensive bowlers. Yuvi also there to roll his arms when needed.

Batting line up is a dream both in quality AND depth. Probably only an ATG world XI can come close to this quality and probably not even then.

 

[mominsaigol]

Dravid batted too slow for his era.

Sehwag was world class only for a 3-4 year period (2008-2011) when he was probably the best ODI opener in the world.

He was pretty average and inconsistent for way too long

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I thought Atg sides are suppose to rank players at peak though?

That's like if I was create an atg Australian side but I decided to place 2011 ponting at 3?

 

[Ab Fan]

Sachin
Rohit
Kohli
Yuvi
Dhoni
Hardik
Kapil
Axar
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Shami

This is objectively the best India XI of all time. Broaches no debate. You might raise an eyebrow at Axar's presence and yes, he does not have the miles yet and some might suggest Jaddu but I am going to stand by my choice. Axar is just a lot more versatile both in bowling and batting depts.

3 out and out wicket takers in Shami, Boom and Kuldeep. Kapil, Axar and Hardik as defensive bowlers. Yuvi also there to roll his arms when needed.

Batting line up is a dream both in quality AND depth. Probably only an ATG world XI can come close to this quality and probably not even then.

Same as the team I selected except for Jaddu in place of Axar. Just not enough games yet for Axar hence I didn’t picked him and Jaddu always will be a contender with his special utility on field.

 

[Ab Fan]

I want my victory, that's all. I want your acknowledgement of defeat. That's it.

Once acknowledged, we are square compadre .

We debated a long time ago and I had won then, as I have won now. Give up brother, I'm offering you my hand as your older brother .

What victory?

Ashwin is a great of the game in Test cricket. Pollock is better than him though.

Never I compared Ashwin with Pollock in ODIs. I don’t rate Ashwin highly in ODIs for the starters. You seem to be confusing formats.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I thought Atg sides are suppose to rank players at peak though?

That's like if I was create an atg Australian side but I decided to place 2011 ponting at 3?

You can't do that when Sehwag's statistical peak(continuous)lasted only 57 ODIs.

In that period , he had an average of 50 and strike rate of 125( higher than Travis Head of last 3 years and 14 years before him!) .

But his overall career simply doesn't compare to Rohit.

 

[mominsaigol]

You can't do that when Sehwag's statistical peak(continuous)lasted only 57 ODIs.

In that period , he had an average of 50 and strike rate of 125( higher than Travis Head of last 3 years and 14 years before him!) .

But his overall career simply doesn't compare to Rohit.

In that period , he had an average of 50 and strike rate of 125( higher than Travis Head of last 3 years and 14 years before him!) .

Thank you sir for reminding me. Clearly ill take my Moustache Man Business elsewhere

 

[mominsaigol]

What victory?

Ashwin is a great of the game in Test cricket. Pollock is better than him though.

Never I compared Ashwin with Pollock in ODIs. I don’t rate Ashwin highly in ODIs for the starters. You seem to be confusing formats.

^^ I agree with everything you said but that's not the point.

I now have finally mentally conqueredand defeated you. I have finally proven that pollock > Ashwin and you finally accepted defeat.

It took you 10 months but I have finally won. It was a good rivalry while it lasted though. You were a good opponent but all wars must reach a conclusion, and I won.

Ashwin is a great of the game in Test cricket. Pollock is better than him though.

^^ Finally, you have been defeated.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I thought Atg sides are suppose to rank players at peak though?

That's like if I was create an atg Australian side but I decided to place 2011 ponting at 3?

Azhar bhai was a top middle order batter in his era. I think Dravid was more clutch but Azhar bhai was more fluent and had that extra gear to go boom boom in death overs.

 

[Bhaijaan]

You can't do that when Sehwag's statistical peak(continuous)lasted only 57 ODIs.

In that period , he had an average of 50 and strike rate of 125( higher than Travis Head of last 3 years and 14 years before him!) .

But his overall career simply doesn't compare to Rohit.

Sehwag had a much better test career. In ODIs he was very inconsistent. He was slogging mindlessly in shorter formats whereas in test cricket he batted with authority playing proper shots only. Sachin was shielding his inconsistency too many times. But no doubt whenever he fires it out the opposition in backfoot.

Rohit has been phenomenally consistent. He’s been a better ODI opener for us than Veeru

 

[mominsaigol]

Azhar bhai was a top middle order batter in his era. I think Dravid was more clutch but Azhar bhai was more fluent and had that extra gear to go boom boom in death overs.

Azhar is good, and I don't disagree with @Nikhil_cric reasoning. I wanted to just ask and inquire about his thought process that's all.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Azhar is good, and I don't disagree with @Nikhil_cric reasoning. I wanted to just ask and inquire about his thought process that's all.

Dravid bhai was a fighter no doubt. He wasn’t a dasher but he was rock solid in the middle order. The guy has 10 k ODI runs , it’s no joke.

Azhar bhai had great stats for a 90s batter. Comparable to Dravid’s and I reckon Azhar bhai would have had a better average and SR in the 2000s. He had that extra gear. Whenever he took it past 40 overs he unleashed it.

 

[mominsaigol]

Dravid bhai was a fighter no doubt. He wasn’t a dasher but he was rock solid in the middle order. The guy has 10 k ODI runs , it’s no joke.

Azhar bhai had great stats for a 90s batter. Comparable to Dravid’s and I reckon Azhar bhai would have had a better average and SR in the 2000s. He had that extra gear. Whenever he took it past 40 overs he unleashed it.

You don't need a dasher if you have yuvi, Dhoni and pandya to come in just saying.

Dravid is overall a better batter then azhar. Azhar is good though, he's not a bad player and I cam see why people would prefer him due to 5th gear

 

[Bhaijaan]

You don't need a dasher if you have yuvi, Dhoni and pandya to come in just saying.

Dravid is overall a better batter then azhar. Azhar is good though, he's not a bad player and I cam see why people would prefer him due to 5th gear

I’m happy with either.
Azhar bhai just a different vibe of the 90s. One of my fav batters. So much style.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Azhar is good, and I don't disagree with @Nikhil_cric reasoning. I wanted to just ask and inquire about his thought process that's all.

I think in all the fixing controversy, people forget that Azhar was a very good middle order batter - not the best but more than good enough .

At his best he could effortlessly rotate and attack spin and wouldn't get tied down.

Dravid was the superior Test batter for sure but I would not play Dravid ahead of Azhar at #4 in ODIs.

 

[mominsaigol]

I’m happy with either.
Azhar bhai just a different vibe of the 90s. One of my fav batters. So much style.

Style is one thing, being a better batsmen is another.

India is a country that has hitters in their atg lineup. They don't need a dasher at no 4.

And while I respect nikhil opinion, Sehwag should be here instead of Rohit. Sehwag's peak is something else.

And 57 odi is more then some people's careers.

Those 57 odi period where sehwag was at his peak is >>>>> Rohit sharma's entire career.

Not taking anything away from rohit but even mchrath had more trouble dealing with sehwag during this period them he did with sachin.

Sehwag would have been more dominant them rohit had he played in the 2 mew ball era.

I agree with nikhil but I would swap rohit for sehwag and would swap azhar for dravid. You don't need rohit's sharp cricketing acumen if Dhoni is captain.

Also I'd replace pandya for kapil dev.

The rest of the 11 is fine

 

[mominsaigol]

I think in all the fixing controversy, people forget that Azhar was a very good middle order batter - not the best but more than good enough .

At his best he could effortlessly rotate and attack spin and wouldn't get tied down.

Dravid was the superior Test batter for sure but I would not play Dravid ahead of Azhar at #4 in ODIs.

Azhar has a better avg and sr at no 4 position then Dravid does that for sure. But dravid had a much better peak.

All of azharuddin best performances in 90's comes against rubbish attacks. He was damn near useless against aus, Wi, Pakistan and he butchered England back when England's bowling was an even bigger joke then it is now.

You're forgetting that by 1999 to 2000 azhar was damn near useless as bowling attacks got stronger and he was avg 20. And he was still in his prime. He would have played a good 5 years after if not for fixing.

2001 to 2003 dravid is significantly better then azhar. And their strike rates are the same against top quality attacks but dravid isn't a circus clown against top quality sides excluding Australia but mostly during to Mcgrath.

Dravid is a better player of spin as well and he'll come in the middle if the side is jam packed with kohli, Sachin and sehwag/rohit.

 

[Ab Fan]

Azharuddin was captain in each of the three WC games that India won vs Pakistan in 1990s(92,96,99).

 

[Kianig89]

AT Indian ODI XI

Rohit
Sehwag
Kohli
Sachin
Dhoni
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
I.Pathan
ZaK
Bumrah

@Bhaijaan comments please , it's a beastly XI

 

[Bhaijaan]

AT Indian ODI XI

Rohit
Sehwag
Kohli
Sachin Not his natural position
Dhoni
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin Not better than Kumble, Kuldeep
I.Pathan Not better than Chachu or Kapil Paaji
ZaK
Bumrah

@Bhaijaan comments please , it's a beastly XI

Comments given.
Good team but for some positions we have had better players.

Sachin, Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Kapil, Bumrah have locked places in our ATG ODI teams

 

[chakdeindian]

My team based on performance in ICC tournaments:

Shikhar Dhawan
Sachin Tendulkar
Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Kl Rahul
Dhoni (c/wk)
Hardik Pandya
Ravindra Jadeja
Kapil Dev
Harbhajan
Zaheer Khan
Bumrah

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Azhar has a better avg and sr at no 4 position then Dravid does that for sure. But dravid had a much better peak.

All of azharuddin best performances in 90's comes against rubbish attacks. He was damn near useless against aus, Wi, Pakistan and he butchered England back when England's bowling was an even bigger joke then it is now.

You're forgetting that by 1999 to 2000 azhar was damn near useless as bowling attacks got stronger and he was avg 20. And he was still in his prime. He would have played a good 5 years after if not for fixing.

2001 to 2003 dravid is significantly better then azhar. And their strike rates are the same against top quality attacks but dravid isn't a circus clown against top quality sides excluding Australia but mostly during to Mcgrath.

Dravid is a better player of spin as well and he'll come in the middle if the side is jam packed with kohli, Sachin and sehwag/rohit.

Interesting. Azhar was fairly good at his peak. I'm not sure how you have looked at his peak.

For me, this is peak Azhar.

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He has decent records against both Australia and South Africa. And an exceptional record against Sri Lanka who had the big spin threat of Murali .

Also has 43/78 stats at #4 in ODI cricket.

I don't agree that Azhar was in his prime in 1999 and 2000. He was 36 years old in 1999! How can he be in his prime then?

 

[sweep_shot]

All-time Indian ODI XI:

Tendulkar
Rohit
Kohli
Sehwag
Yuvraj
Kapil Dev
Dhoni (c & wk)
Jadeja
Ashwin
Zaheer Khan
Bumrah.

 

[mominsaigol]

Interesting. Azhar was fairly good at his peak. I'm not sure how you have looked at his peak.

For me, this is peak Azhar.

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He has decent records against both Australia and South Africa. And an exceptional record against Sri Lanka who had the big spin threat of Murali .

Also has 43/78 stats at #4 in ODI cricket.

I don't agree that Azhar was in his prime in 1999 and 2000. He was 36 years old in 1999! How can he be in his prime then?

I mostly look at howstat and some highlights.

Also has 43/78 stats at #4 in ODI cricket.


Yes ik, i already said azhar overall record at 4 is > Dravid at 4.

 

[kron]

Tendulkar
Rohit
Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Hardik Pandya
Dhoni
Kapil dev
Jadeja
Shami
Bumrah

What a team

If it’s bouncy pitch then take out Jadeja and bring in srinath

What a lethal team

Keeper we can bring in pant or Rahul too

 

[kron]

Style is one thing, being a better batsmen is another.

India is a country that has hitters in their atg lineup. They don't need a dasher at no 4.

And while I respect nikhil opinion, Sehwag should be here instead of Rohit. Sehwag's peak is something else.

And 57 odi is more then some people's careers.

Those 57 odi period where sehwag was at his peak is >>>>> Rohit sharma's entire career.

Not taking anything away from rohit but even mchrath had more trouble dealing with sehwag during this period them he did with sachin.

Sehwag would have been more dominant them rohit had he played in the 2 mew ball era.

I agree with nikhil but I would swap rohit for sehwag and would swap azhar for dravid. You don't need rohit's sharp cricketing acumen if Dhoni is captain.

Also I'd replace pandya for kapil dev.

The rest of the 11 is fine

You are right actually

I might swap Rohit for shewag too

 

[BouncerGuy]

Tendulkar
Rohit
Kohli
Yuvraj Singh
Hardik Pandya
Dhoni
Kapil dev
Jadeja
Shami
Bumrah

What a team

If it’s bouncy pitch then take out Jadeja and bring in srinath

What a lethal team

Keeper we can bring in pant or Rahul too

These are 10 players so I would just add Zaheer Khan to it

 

[kron]

These are 10 players so I would just add Zaheer Khan to it

If it’s a spin pitch then Kuldeep for zaheer

 

[kron]

@mominsaigol
@BouncerGuy

Opinions on Kuldeep?
Stat wise sure he has great stats

But pressure games he choked until very recently.

Do you feel he is one of the best spinners around? And has an entry into atg India 11?

 

[BouncerGuy]

@mominsaigol
@BouncerGuy

Opinions on Kuldeep?
Stat wise sure he has great stats

But pressure games he choked until very recently.

Do you feel he is one of the best spinners around? And has an entry into atg India 11?

Nay... I think I will go with Ashwin actually... Kuldeep is good but Ashwin gives you an extra edge with his batting.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Here is my pick, made exclusively from players who struggled to make the playing 11 when they were actively playing:

1. S. Ramesh
2. V. Rathore
3. A. Rahane
4. P. Amre
5. S. Karim (wk)
6. R. Singh (c)
7. M. Prabhakar
8. N. Hirwani
9. A. Kuruvilla
10. M. Kartik
11. D. Mohanty / S. Banerjee

I would fancy the Pakistan team of today to beat this team consistently, but not comprehensively. Between Rahane, Amre, Karim, and Singh there is enough batting strength in the middle, and Hirwani, Kartik could be near impossible to negotiate on a turning track. Mohanty had significant ability to swing the ball, in fact, his dismissal of Saed Anwar on debut in Canada remains to this day one of the best deliveries i have witnessed.

I dont place much stock in Ramesh or Rathore making it past the tenth over, neither were power hitters, and with Rahane to follow, I doubt the run rate would ever tick past 5.

Additionally, with the likes of Hirwani, Kuruvilla, and Mohanty in the team, this is not a particularly athletic side which could field well.

I guess this just demonstrates that outside of the latest two decades, there has been a significant dearth of talent on the fringes of the indian cricket team.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol
@BouncerGuy

Opinions on Kuldeep?
Stat wise sure he has great stats

But pressure games he choked until very recently.

Do you feel he is one of the best spinners around? And has an entry into atg India 11?

He's ayt.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol

Has AB acknowledged his defeat at your hands yet?

His heart says yes, his mind says no and he's still fighting . Jokes aside I'm just messing with him.

Ashwin, Jadeja and Laxman for me are the 3 most overrated test cricketers in Indian history. Are they bad? Ofcourse not, I'd like to have them in any Asian side other then India.

But fake narratives were made about them.

Laxman's crises man narrative was portrayed to cover up his inconsistencies. When you have to fight that freakishly hard to justify something then you know you're being dishonest.

If laxman wasn't Indian, he wouldn't have any hype surrounding him.

Similarities ashwin and jadeja are freakishly good but their not that great that managment will trust them to play overseas in certain conditons.

James Anderson is another player who's overhyped as well since he's volume over quality.

 

[mominsaigol]

His heart says yes, his mind says no and he's still fighting . Jokes aside I'm just messing with him.

Ashwin, Jadeja and Laxman for me are the 3 most overrated test cricketers in Indian history. Are they bad? Ofcourse not, I'd like to have them in any Asian side other then India.

But fake narratives were made about them.

Laxman's crises man narrative was portrayed to cover up his inconsistencies. When you have to fight that freakishly hard to justify something then you know you're being dishonest.

If laxman wasn't Indian, he wouldn't have any hype surrounding him.

Similarities ashwin and jadeja are freakishly good but their not that great that managment will trust them to play overseas in certain conditons.

James Anderson is another player who's overhyped as well since he's volume over quality.

@Bhaijaan

Basically due to the popularity of the sport, Indians are overglorified at each stage.

1) Sachin may be the greatest of all time but putting him on a Bradman pedestal or > Bradman like most Indians put him is comical and a clear case of overglorifixation.

While yes skills change and don't equate across eras, Bradman was ahead in literally everything. He was a 100x superior to anyone in his era, while Sachin maybe superior to everyone in his era, he's been outdone by others in various metrics multiple times.

2) Then you have players like dravid( test), kohli( odi) and many others who deserve praise but once again should not be put on Bradman status in regards to era domination.

3) Then you have players like laxman, who get overglorified.

A legendary Indian atg will be oberglorofied into a God Bruce Lee level folklore myth.

A very good Indian cricketer will be overglorified into an atg.

An avg Indian cricketer will be overglorified into a great Indian cricketer

A rubbish Indian cricketer will be oberglorified into an avg Indian cricketer.

But KL Rahul will be burnt on a stake for some reason. He's everyone's favourite punching bag

 

[BouncerGuy]

please stay on topic and talk about India all time 11

 

[Justcrazy]

@Bhaijaan

Basically due to the popularity of the sport, Indians are overglorified at each stage.

1) Sachin may be the greatest of all time but putting him on a Bradman pedestal or > Bradman like most Indians put him is comical and a clear case of overglorifixation.

While yes skills change and don't equate across eras, Bradman was ahead in literally everything. He was a 100x superior to anyone in his era, while Sachin maybe superior to everyone in his era, he's been outdone by others in various metrics multiple times.

2) Then you have players like dravid( test), kohli( odi) and many others who deserve praise but once again should not be put on Bradman status in regards to era domination.

3) Then you have players like laxman, who get overglorified.

A legendary Indian atg will be oberglorofied into a God Bruce Lee level folklore myth.

A very good Indian cricketer will be overglorified into an atg.

An avg Indian cricketer will be overglorified into a great Indian cricketer

A rubbish Indian cricketer will be oberglorified into an avg Indian cricketer.

But KL Rahul will be burnt on a stake for some reason. He's everyone's favourite punching bag

To match Tendulkar you have to bring in Dravid ( Test ) and Kohli ( OD ) in the discussion.

 

[mominsaigol]

To match Tendulkar you have to bring in Dravid ( Test ) and Kohli ( OD ) in the discussion.

Tendulkar isn't > Steve Smith who's by far dominating in a bowling friendly era where flat pitches aren't produced anymore except in pakistan and side curate pitches to give them an advantage.

However Sachin faced superior bowlers while smith faced tougher conditons. But Sachin was never as dominant as a prime Steve smith avg nearly 80+ and consistently outscoring everyone year by year. To top it off smith has the best co version rate of all time.

But that's not the point. Sachin in his era was always relative to ponting, kallis, Lara and many others in tests however he ranks > them due to outlasting them and being slightly better then them in conditons.

In comparison Bradman was nearly > everyone in his era. Lara vs Sachin is a debate and while Sachin is >, theor some points to be made for Lara.

Meanwhile Bradman vs Wally Hammond or jack hobbs isn't a debate at all.

So yes Indians using widen and Bradman tea logic to justify Sachin and Bradman as relative via era comparison is ailly

 

[Varun]

#1 Rohit
#2 Sachin
#3 Kohli
#4 Ganguly
#5 Rayudu
#6 Yuvraj
#7 Dhoni (wk)
#8 Kapil (c)
#9 Harbhajan
#10 Zaheer
#11 Bumrah

 

[AMSS]

Lmao, Murali is also there. Another fave whipping boy of India (when India was all about Sachin in ODIs) especially Sidhhu. I am 100 percent, Murali averages over 30 against India.

Lmao, two cannon fodders in Warne and Murali against India.

 

[AMSS]

Look at that batting line-up. Oh dear.

Tullaybaaz Gilchrist.

And Ponting and Lara who averaged 40 and 30 against India when India featured an attack of Zaheer, Munaf and Pragyan Ojha lmfao.

I hope India ATG XI will take mercy on that hapeless world XI.

 

[Vikram1989]

Rohit
Sachin
Kohli
Amarnath outside sc/Ganguly in sc
Yuvi
Dhoni
Kapil
Jadeja
Kuldeep
Bumrah
Shami/Zaheer


I think jaiswal will replace rohit by end of his career

 

[BouncerGuy]

THREAD IS ABOUT INDIA ALL TIME 11 NOT WORLD 11....

STAY ON TOPIC

 

[Monday Morning]

1. Rohit
2. Sachin
3. Gill/Ganguly
4. Kohli
5. Yuvraj
6. Dhoni
7. Kapil
8. Pandya/Jadeja
9. Shami
10. Kuldeep
11. Bumrah

Don't think there's a batting lineup that can compete with this one.

Only weakness is the fifth bowler quota.

Considering 7 of the 11 (if you pick Gill over Ganguly) played the 2023 WC final, it's a shame we lost that game.

 

[Justcrazy]

Tendulkar isn't > Steve Smith who's by far dominating in a bowling friendly era where flat pitches aren't produced anymore except in pakistan and side curate pitches to give them an advantage.

However Sachin faced superior bowlers while smith faced tougher conditons. But Sachin was never as dominant as a prime Steve smith avg nearly 80+ and consistently outscoring everyone year by year. To top it off smith has the best co version rate of all time.

But that's not the point. Sachin in his era was always relative to ponting, kallis, Lara and many others in tests however he ranks > them due to outlasting them and being slightly better then them in conditons.

In comparison Bradman was nearly > everyone in his era. Lara vs Sachin is a debate and while Sachin is >, theor some points to be made for Lara.

Meanwhile Bradman vs Wally Hammond or jack hobbs isn't a debate at all.

So yes Indians using widen and Bradman tea logic to justify Sachin and Bradman as relative via era comparison is ailly

Tendulkar played with heavier bat , he obviously could not play innovative shots like Lara. But Tendulkar was much more compact than Lara.

Tendulkar matches Lara and Smith as far as Test is concerned , but in OD he is miles ahead of them.

 

[Justcrazy]

Had a big chuckle seeing Warne's name there.

Nayan Mongia used to make him his she-dog. Spanked like a hapless fatso all over the park.

Just checked and sure enough - averaged 60 against India with less than one wicket per match. Lmao.

In India very few foreign spinners have been successful. Saqlain , Swan , Tauseef .

 

[mominsaigol]

Tendulkar played with heavier bat , he obviously could not play innovative shots like Lara. But Tendulkar was much more compact than Lara.

Tendulkar matches Lara and Smith as far as Test is concerned , but in OD he is miles ahead of them.

The point of my original comment was that Indians overglorify their players which is a fact.

Someone like laxman would be a nobody in another country which is a fact, in the same way James faulker is a no body despite 2015 heroics.

Someone like Hales, Roy and bairstow are already forgotten entities but if they were Indian, people wouldn't shut up about their 2019 antics and would ignore their form slumps post 2019.

An avg Indian player will be overglorified to a legend status. Meanwhile Sachin is glorified to Bradman status.

When

A) Bradman was so far ahead of everyone in his era that the likes of Hobbs and wally hammond look like tail enders in comparison.

Meanwhile Sachin may be ahead of others in his era, the gap isn't that high.

In 24 years of his career he only top scored year by year twice despite playing more number of games then anyone even in his era.

Ponting outperformed him in 2006, Lara during his peak test years was clearly outperforming him in every metric etc etc.

Sachin ranks > them in longetivity and consistency while Bradman was > everyone in his era.

Yet Sachin is glorified to be a folklore God of cricket myth when he honestly isn't. If he was the God of cricket he'd out avg, Out bat, out perform in every conditon, Have the most runs per year etc etc basically have all the metrics in the bag.

Only Bradman did and wisden who people like to use, has outright stated that Sachin can't be a God of cricket as long as Bradman exists in the history books.

Lastly before you claim Bradman would struggle in Sachin's era due to bowling quality, the same can ve said for Sachin.

Sachin wouldn't be able to properly bat with those bats, and the protection given to him. He'd have to unlearn and then re learn the art of batting with those bat qualities.

In the same way a programmer of today wouldn't be able to code in Binary wire frames that people of the 1940-1960's were able to, the same applies to cricket.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Issue with Sachin was that he was a genius locked in an ordinary body. Name all the great batters ever and if you rate them as pure athletes / physique wise Sachin would feature near the bottom. Tennis elbow made things worse. It was his genius and sheer will that he overcame an ordinary body and career threatening back pain and tennis elbow issues to still break all the records that he did and at such impressive averages.

Sachin would hit top quality centuries and then his body would give up.

2003 centurion against Pakistan m, his body gave up after he scored 50 runs.

2009 something in NZ he was on the verge of smashing an ODI double century and his body gave making him retire at 165 something with 5 overs to go.

I mentioned just two instances above, it’s been the story of his career unfortunately.

Lara, Kohli, Ponting, Smith, Root, Sangakkara were all proper athletes

 

[mominsaigol]

Issue with Sachin was that he was a genius locked in an ordinary body. Name all the great batters ever and if you rate them as pure athletes / physique wise Sachin would feature near the bottom. Tennis elbow made things worse. It was his genius and sheer will that he overcame an ordinary body and career threatening back pain and tennis elbow issues to still break all the records that he did and at such impressive averages.

Sachin would hit top quality centuries and then his body would give up.

2003 centurion against Pakistan m, his body gave up after he scored 50 runs.

2009 something in NZ he was on the verge of smashing an ODI double century and his body gave making him retire at 165 something with 5 overs to go.

I mentioned just two instances above, it’s been the story of his career unfortunately.

Lara, Kohli, Ponting, Smith, Root, Sangakkara were all proper athletes

Lara injured his backfoot lol and was never the same batter after injury.

Root isn't really an athlete, he's just thin and fit enough to play cricket. Not really an athelete lol.

 

[Bhimja turtle]

Mine would be

Rohit
Sachin
Kohli
Yuvraj
Dhoni (c) (w)
Pandya
Kapil
Jaddu
Kuldeep
Shami
Bumrah

12th man raina

 

[kron]

In India very few foreign spinners have been successful. Saqlain , Swan , Tauseef .

Add santner
Monty panesar
Ajaz patel

 

[Jazx]

Sachin
Saurav(captain)
Virat
Azhar
Yuvraj
Dhoni
Kapil
Jadeja
Kumble
Shami
Bumrah

12th man Raina

 

[BouncerGuy]

CAN YOU GUYS READ THE THREAD TOPIC???? INDIA 11 IT IS...

NOW STAY ON TOPIC

 

[Justcrazy]

AT Indian ODI XI

Rohit
Sehwag
Kohli
Sachin
Dhoni
Pandya
Jadeja
Ashwin
I.Pathan
ZaK
Bumrah

@Bhaijaan comments please , it's a beastly XI

To accommodate Sehwag you dropping Tendulkar to middle order !!!! Brother Tendulkar will open in any World XI , let alone Indian XI.

No Kapil Dev , are you serious ? Pathan in all time XI .

 

[Justcrazy]

The point of my original comment was that Indians overglorify their players which is a fact.

Someone like laxman would be a nobody in another country which is a fact, in the same way James faulker is a no body despite 2015 heroics.

Someone like Hales, Roy and bairstow are already forgotten entities but if they were Indian, people wouldn't shut up about their 2019 antics and would ignore their form slumps post 2019.

An avg Indian player will be overglorified to a legend status. Meanwhile Sachin is glorified to Bradman status.

When

A) Bradman was so far ahead of everyone in his era that the likes of Hobbs and wally hammond look like tail enders in comparison.

Meanwhile Sachin may be ahead of others in his era, the gap isn't that high.

In 24 years of his career he only top scored year by year twice despite playing more number of games then anyone even in his era.

Ponting outperformed him in 2006, Lara during his peak test years was clearly outperforming him in every metric etc etc.

Sachin ranks > them in longetivity and consistency while Bradman was > everyone in his era.

Yet Sachin is glorified to be a folklore God of cricket myth when he honestly isn't. If he was the God of cricket he'd out avg, Out bat, out perform in every conditon, Have the most runs per year etc etc basically have all the metrics in the bag.

Only Bradman did and wisden who people like to use, has outright stated that Sachin can't be a God of cricket as long as Bradman exists in the history books.

Lastly before you claim Bradman would struggle in Sachin's era due to bowling quality, the same can ve said for Sachin.

Sachin wouldn't be able to properly bat with those bats, and the protection given to him. He'd have to unlearn and then re learn the art of batting with those bat qualities.

In the same way a programmer of today wouldn't be able to code in Binary wire frames that people of the 1940-1960's were able to, the same applies to cricket.

The players you are talking about are glorified by other country players as well. if they had done nothing we would not be talking about them. There are so many players in India who have played at International level , only a handful are glorified , and trust me all of them have achieved that .

No one says Laxman is the best batter ever , they remember him for scoring against best Team of his time. The Test match he won against Australia that knock is considered one of the top 10 test knocks by Wisden , is that over glorifying ?

In Bradmans Era this sport was not professional , the engagement was less . In this Era it is totally different game.

Lara , Pointing etc may have out performed him is certain format or certain time , but overall when you look into the picture in both formats , Tendulkar is well ahead of both of them.