Would Younis Khan be included in all-time India Test XI if he was from India?

[mominsaigol]

Yk would bat at 5 replacing laxman if he was in India.

1) Sunny
2) Sehwag
3) Dravid
4) Sachin
5) YK

 

[PakPremi]

Two batsmen who ruled Pakistani batting in their era were Miandad and then Inzimam, their wicket was also most sought by the oppositions. Despite Inzimam not making most of his talent due to fitness, he was always the no 1 batsman for Pakistan during his playing days. Third best is anyone between YK, Mohd Yusuf and Zaheer Abass. Majid falls into Saeed Anwar category as a Test batsman, flair but not profilic.

 

[amax]

View attachment 150391India All Time Test XI : 1) Gavaskar 2) Sehwag 3) Dravid 4) Sachin 5) Laxman 6) Dhoni*+ 7) Kapil 8) Jadeja 9) Ashwin 10) Shami 11) Bumrah

Nice collage and choice of pics, poster material.

 

[Van_Sri]

Yk would bat at 5 replacing laxman if he was in India.

1) Sunny
2) Sehwag
3) Dravid
4) Sachin
5) YK

VVS Laxman was better than Younis Khan.

 

[Van_Sri]

Pakistan lost all 13 Test Matches in 2000s when Australia was at their Best. Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis Khan were thrashed by them. On the other hand India won 9 matches in this period because of Laxman, Dravid and Sachin. Australia won only 6 matches against India. 9-6 is better than 0-13. Laxman is even better than Kohli but many people don’t agree due to Kohli’s Popularity. Laxman was a perfect No 3 who did very good job as a No 5 and No 6 Batsman for India.

 

[mominsaigol]

VVS Laxman was better than Younis Khan.

YK 10K test runs, 34 centuries in 118 matches, 52 avg

Laxman 134 games, 17 centuries, not to mention he doesn't even avg 50 in any country besides India and even then he played in a flat track drawn series era.

With the exception of South Africa, YK beats him in every metric. Laxman was a clown anyway. Just look at his test opening stats. Dude ran to bcci and wrote a letter asking them to not make him open

 

[Van_Sri]

YK 10K test runs, 34 centuries in 118 matches, 52 avg

Laxman 134 games, 17 centuries, not to mention he doesn't even avg 50 in any country besides India and even then he played in a flat track drawn series era.

With the exception of South Africa, YK beats him in every metric. Laxman was a clown anyway. Just look at his test opening stats. Dude ran to bcci and wrote a letter asking them to not make him open

For Australia in 2000s Pakistan was a clown lost all 13 Test Matches in a Row , Australians respect Laxman because of his better Skills than Younis Khan.

 

[Major]

YK 10K test runs, 34 centuries in 118 matches, 52 avg

Laxman 134 games, 17 centuries, not to mention he doesn't even avg 50 in any country besides India and even then he played in a flat track drawn series era.

With the exception of South Africa, YK beats him in every metric. Laxman was a clown anyway. Just look at his test opening stats. Dude ran to bcci and wrote a letter asking them to not make him open

Thats why I said, India is not some standard. Its like asking, would a Pakistani great be added to an xyz Mohalla team.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Pakistan lost all 13 Test Matches in 2000s when Australia was at their Best. Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis Khan were thrashed by them. On the other hand India won 9 matches in this period because of Laxman, Dravid and Sachin. Australia won only 6 matches against India. 9-6 is better than 0-13. Laxman is even better than Kohli but many people don’t agree due to Kohli’s Popularity. Laxman was a perfect No 3 who did very good job as a No 5 and No 6 Batsman for India.

Laxman was the only one who got 2000 runs against ATG Australian side. Lot of them came in tough situations, tough pitches against tough bowlers. It is hard to look past Laxman. He leaves entire pakistan batting unit from 2000s, 2010s to dust with that performance alone. He never resorted to statpadding like some of the guys in the 2000s.

 

[Van_Sri]

Laxman was the only one who got 2000 runs against ATG Australian side. Lot of them came in tough situations, tough pitches against tough bowlers. It is hard to look past Laxman. He leaves entire pakistan batting unit from 2000s, 2010s to dust with that performance alone. He never resorted to statpadding like some of the guys in the 2000s.

In the Most Famous Era of Australia which is 2000s they could not dominate India in Test Cricket and the credit goes to players like Laxman, Sachin, Dravid and Sehwag. Pakistani Players were minnow bashers at this time and Inzi, Yousuf and Younis could not win a single test match against the famous Australia.

 

[mominsaigol]

For Australia in 2000s Pakistan was a clown lost all 13 Test Matches in a Row , Australians respect Laxman because of his better Skills than Younis Khan.

It's completly irrelevant. You can cherry pick all you want, it doesn't change the fact yk avg higher vs aus then laxman does.

I can easily say Travis head > Indian batsmen ever because no Indian batter scored a century in the final.

YK has more runs, more test centuries and better overseas performances in every country then laxman does.

To top it off laxman doesn't avg 50 at any batting no, nor does he avg 50 in every country, His stats consistently hover from 25 to 46 and don't go any higher besides India where he managed to avg 51.

Every metric is their and present. Also dont educate me about Australia and aussie cricket. Wannabee Indian fans who live in their bubble are as clueless as this @jnaveen1980 pseudo americano over here.

 

[mominsaigol]

Thats why I said, India is not some standard. Its like asking, would a Pakistani great be added to an xyz Mohalla team.

Imagine Indian posters rating Sachin as no 1 because of stats and comvientally ignoring how despite playing for 24 long years, he was only a top run getter twice, Has zero memorable test match winning knocks and only one good odi knock vs Pakistan in his entire life and was by all metrics a stat padder (A very very good stat padder tbf)

While other cricketers in his era like lara redefined test cricket. And to top it off being the worst captain and leading India into ruin.

But claiming laxman ranks > Yk because stats are now irrelevant only cause he has a couple of atg performances against Australia .

Unbelievable. Will these boys rate fakhar as >>> Any Indian opener to ever play because he butchered everyone including bumrah in a final?

Ps: To all Sachin fans, I'm not insulting Sachin, He's a goat and I actually agree that he's the best odi and test player of his era. I'm just exposing how hypocritical you guys are.

 

[Van_Sri]

It's completly irrelevant. You can cherry pick all you want, it doesn't change the fact yk avg higher vs aus then laxman does.

I can easily say Travis head > Indian batsmen ever because no Indian batter scored a century in the final.

YK has more runs, more test centuries and better overseas performances in every country then laxman does.

To top it off laxman doesn't avg 50 at any batting no, nor does he avg 50 in every country, His stats consistently hover from 25 to 46 and don't go any higher besides India where he managed to avg 51.

Every metric is their and present. Also dont educate me about Australia and aussie cricket. Wannabee Indian fans who live in their bubble are as clueless as this @jnaveen1980 pseudo americano over here.

Laxman has to adjust his batting position due to the presence of Dravid and Sachin, Quality Runs Matter More than Averages and Runs. In an All Time XI I would pick Laxman over Younis Khan as a No 5 or No 6 Player as he was also better than Younis Khan in playing with lower order batsman. Laxman was more talented than Dravid and good player than Dravid and Sachin under pressure. Younis Khan may be great for Pakistan Cricket Lovers but he cannot break into the famous middle order of Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. They dominated Test Cricket vs Australia for a Decade not like Travis Head who had a single good day.

 

[Van_Sri]

Imagine Indian posters rating Sachin as no 1 because of stats and comvientally ignoring how despite playing for 24 long years, he was only a top run getter twice, Has zero memorable test match winning knocks and only one good odi knock vs Pakistan in his entire life and was by all metrics a stat padder (A very very good stat padder tbf)

While other cricketers in his era like lara redefined test cricket. And to top it off being the worst captain and leading India into ruin.

But claiming laxman ranks > Yk because stats are now irrelevant only cause he has a couple of atg performances against Australia .

Unbelievable. Will these boys rate fakhar as >>> Any Indian opener to ever play because he butchered everyone including bumrah in a final?

Ps: To all Sachin fans, I'm not insulting Sachin, He's a goat and I actually agree that he's the best odi and test player of his era. I'm just exposing how hypocritical you guys are.

It’s not hypocrisy, dominating Australia for 10 years in Tests is a conclusion I came to based on Longevity and not by a single performance. Pakistan lost 13 tests for 10 years against Australia which shows how poor players are Inzamam, Younis and Yousuf against a Quality Opposition.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Laxman has to adjust his batting position due to the presence of Dravid and Sachin, Quality Runs Matter More than Averages and Runs. In an All Time XI I would pick Laxman over Younis Khan as a No 5 or No 6 Player as he was also better than Younis Khan in playing with lower order batsman. Laxman was more talented than Dravid and good player than Dravid and Sachin under pressure. Younis Khan may be great for Pakistan Cricket Lovers but he cannot break into the famous middle order of Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. They dominated Test Cricket vs Australia for a Decade not like Travis Head who had a single good day.

Till 2000 they were shuffling him around all over the line up. His best position turned out to be 5/6 where he averaged 49.

 

[mominsaigol]

Laxman has to adjust his batting position due to the presence of Dravid and Sachin, Quality Runs Matter More than Averages and Runs. In an All Time XI I would pick Laxman over Younis Khan as a No 5 or No 6 Player as he was also better than Younis Khan in playing with lower order batsman. Laxman was more talented than Dravid and good player than Dravid and Sachin under pressure. Younis Khan may be great for Pakistan Cricket Lovers but he cannot break into the famous middle order of Dravid, Sachin and Laxman. They dominated Test Cricket vs Australia for a Decade not like Travis Head who had a single good day.

I don't care about your opinions or semantics. Anyone can argue anything.

Firstly head hasn't had a single good day. He's butchered India and was the sole reason why they didn't win wtc, he then was the sole reason why India didn't win wc.

Afterwards his carnage modes ensured 2-1 lead for Australia and it would have been 4-1 if not for rain.

^^ These aren't good days, he left bgt avg 51 and > any other batter during the event.

He's clearly owned India and has made them their playing ground. Even in t20 wc where india won, they still got beaten badly by head before loss of partners got head out.

But ofcourse you wouldn't use that logic for head, you'd use it for laxman due to bias.

Also chal mama, he didn’t dominate Australia for a decade.

Lastly yk avg 50 in aus, The truth is having deavid + Sachin + Yk, 3 50 avg batters in aus over laxman a 46 abg batter would have strengthened Indian team.

Claiming Pakistan doesn't mean anything, They weren't playing with 50 avg batters in aus besides YK. Hige difference.

Indians are the most clueless nation by far. But I'm not surprised, you're the same people who spent millions on a Dhoni biopic which is filled qith factual lies and favorites his international career, not just his personal life.

 

[mominsaigol]

It’s not hypocrisy, dominating Australia for 10 years in Tests is a conclusion I came to based on Longevity and not by a single performance. Pakistan lost 13 tests for 10 years against Australia which shows how poor players are Inzamam, Younis and Yousuf against a Quality Opposition.

They dominated aus due to a other factors primarily having a better team. For example pointing was a circus clown ahainat harbajan in India. So yes it's 100% hypocrisy and you coming to conclusions is irrelevant.

Longetivity wise laxman played more test games then YK but avg less, was more inconsistent and doesn't have any 50 avg in any country besides his own home turf.

The truth is having an extra 50 avg aus batter over laxman in indian team makes their team stronger and more unbeatable. Not less.

 

[Van_Sri]

They dominated aus due to a other factors primarily having a better team. For example pointing was a circus clown ahainat harbajan in India. So yes it's 100% hypocrisy and you coming to conclusions is irrelevant.

Longetivity wise laxman played more test games then YK but avg less, was more inconsistent and doesn't have any 50 avg in any country besides his own home turf.

The truth is having an extra 50 avg aus batter over laxman in indian team makes their team stronger and more unbeatable. Not less.

Laxman for most of his career was a No 5 or No 6 Batsman and Younis Khan was a No 3 or No 4 Player. So you can’t expect Laxman to score more runs than an upper order Batsman. Laxman in 141 Innings Scored 5637 Runs Coming at No 5 and No 6 at an Average of 39.97 runs per innings which is a good number for a Lower Order Batsman. Steve Waugh was better than Laxman as he scored 9919 Runs coming at No 5 and No 6 in 221 Innings @44.88 runs per innings. Younis Khan is not experienced enough to play as a lower order batsman compared to Laxman.

 

[mominsaigol]

Laxman for most of his career was a No 5 or No 6 Batsman and Younis Khan was a No 3 or No 4 Player. So you can’t expect Laxman to score more runs than an upper order Batsman. Laxman in 141 Innings Scored 5637 Runs Coming at No 5 and No 6 at an Average of 39.97 runs per innings which is a good number for a Lower Order Batsman. Steve Waugh was better than Laxman as he scored 9919 Runs coming at No 5 and No 6 in 221 Innings @44.88 runs per innings. Younis Khan is not experienced enough to play as a lower order batsman compared to Laxman.

Incorrect.

Don't give me this batting position excuse. Laxman played 37 games at no 3, 37 test games is more then some cricketers entire test career and he avg 47 at it.

He wasnt good enough to play at 4 cause he couldn't replace Sachin. He played numerous games as an opener and was a circus clown against early seam.

Infact if you look at his record at no 3, he was only good at it if the top order performed and managed to play tue first 10 to 15 overs. That's how bad he was against early seam.

YK at no 3, 4 and 5 has higher stats in every metric. Laxman only has better stats at no 6 but YK has like 2 to 3 innings in that position.

Theirs no ifs and buts, Laxman is a no 5 batter because he was rubbish at no 3 and opening and Sachin had his no 4 spot booked. Later laxman switched to 6 after realising he was ordinary at no 5 as well barring a few atg knocks.

YK was predominantly no 4 but has played at no 5 and has done well at said no as well.

Last but not least the problem with you Indian fans is that you bring in racism such as You're just a clueless pakistani whenever you get into a discussion. Please keep that out.

Dravid is a better test batter then YK, Sachin is a better test batter then YK. Laxman isn't in boot licking distance of YK as a test batsmen.

Their is no metric in which Laxman surpasses YK in with the exception of Indian posters sucking off aussie cricketers.

Laxman was shifted around cause he wasn't good enough plain and simple. They muffled him because if he was good enough to replace sehwag, dravid and Sachin as a no 1, 4 and 5, he would have replaced them as a no 1,4 and 5 plain and simple.

 

[gazza619]

YK would have scored a lot more test runs had he played for India. On merit there was defo spot for him in the India XI between 2000 and 2017. Its not easy to explain this to the Indian kids though.

 

[mominsaigol]

Laxman for most of his career was a No 5 or No 6 Batsman and Younis Khan was a No 3 or No 4 Player. So you can’t expect Laxman to score more runs than an upper order Batsman. Laxman in 141 Innings Scored 5637 Runs Coming at No 5 and No 6 at an Average of 39.97 runs per innings which is a good number for a Lower Order Batsman. Steve Waugh was better than Laxman as he scored 9919 Runs coming at No 5 and No 6 in 221 Innings @44.88 runs per innings. Younis Khan is not experienced enough to play as a lower order batsman compared to Laxman.

So you can’t expect Laxman to score more runs than an upper order Batsman.

^^ This is also false. Test cricket is not odi cricket. No one is talking about ampunt of runs scored, root has more runs then steve smith but steve smith is a better test batter.

you can avg higher at no 5/6 in test then no 4.

Laxman played most of his games at 5 while YK at 4, that's not a big gap.

Travis head scored the most runs at no 5 in bgt and avg the highest.

No 5 is the easiest position to bat in test cricket because typically a No 5 comes in when the ball is too old to be a threat and theirs still plenty of time before new ball comes into play.

No 4 is where your best batter bats because that's the place where typically it reverses and spins the most as the ball is not too old, but old enough to start misbehaving.

Average of 39.97 runs per innings which is a good number for a Lower Order Batsman

No one claimed it isnt, just like no one is claiming that laxman isnt good, tmdebate is laxman vs yk, not laxman's status.

The difference is that laxman was a clown at the top order and wasn't good enough to replace dravid, Sehwag or Sachin plain and simple.

And waugh avg 56 at no 5 and 6 lol, he's in a totally different starstophere.

I've seen Laxman bat, He was an inconsistent test mess. He's literally the fakhar zaman of test cricket. Inconsistent mess but will play an atg innings here and their, and that too mostly in the flat track era.

Nowadays tests are hardly drawn.

 

[mominsaigol]

YK would have scored a lot more test runs had he played for India. On merit there was defo spot for him in the India XI between 2000 and 2017. Its not easy to explain this to the Indian kids though.

Most of these guys weren't even born during that time unlike me who lived through it all. They got no clue what their talking about.

Amjid javed is more knowledgeable then me though so he can summarise it better

 

[pratiktc]

The thread is worded weirdly but I am assuming it is an attempt to figure out where Younis lies in the Asian pantheon.

Younis has good numbers but frankly numbers are not be all and end all. Those who have seen cricket throughout majority of 90s and 00s know that Younis ability wise is a clear tier below several of his immediate seniors/contemporaries let alone other ATGs. His mental grit and very decisive footwork against spinners were standout but overall batting wise he wasn't at ATG level

From Pakistan alone Inzy and Yousuf were better batters. From India - Sachin, Rahul, Sehwag, VVS and Azhar were better. From Sri Lanka - Sangakkara was much better whereas Jayawardene was equal or slightly ahead of Younis (this is debatable) and Samaraweera somewhat behind Younis.

From his juniors, Younis would place well behind Kohli but ahead of Pujara, Azhar Ali and Angelo Mathews.

I have not seen great batters of 70s and 80s other than in youtube highlights but IMO both Gavaskar and Miandad would be leagues ahead of Younis.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What is Younis Khans avg vs Australia when Warne was playing?

What is YKs avg in SL till 2010?

The only great spinner he faced was a declining Kumble in 2005-2007.

VVS Laxman is a far better player of spin. His performance against Warne and Murali say so.

VVS over YK any day.

 

[cricketjoshila]

YK would have scored a lot more test runs had he played for India. On merit there was defo spot for him in the India XI between 2000 and 2017. Its not easy to explain this to the Indian kids though.

Who would he replace?

Sehwag? Gavaskar?Dravid? Sachin?

VVS Laxman was playing match winning innings vs Australia and SA at the time. His spin playing ability vs Warne and Murali is far better than YK.

 

[shamaan]

YK over Laxman any day of the week.

 

[jnaveen1980]

YK over Laxman any day of the week.

YK over Ganguly is good option as Ganguly was sucking really bad in the early 2000s. Laxman was the lynchpin for India alongwith Dravid in hte middle order. Without him history would have been completely different. No Indian would trade Laxman with any player. If you really want to flat pitch bashing Sehwag was always there with twice the rate of scoring.

 

[shamaan]

YK over Ganguly is good option as Ganguly was sucking really bad in the early 2000s. Laxman was the lynchpin for India alongwith Dravid in hte middle order. Without him history would have been completely different. No Indian would trade Laxman with any player. If you really want to flat pitch bashing Sehwag was always there with twice the rate of scoring.

Sehwag was on a different league.

 

[gazza619]

Who would he replace?

Sehwag? Gavaskar?Dravid? Sachin?

VVS Laxman was playing match winning innings vs Australia and SA at the time. His spin playing ability vs Warne and Murali is far better than YK.

Gavaskar is obviously from the old era and not relevant.

YK was better then Ganguly (2000-2008), Laxman (2009-2012) & Rahane & Pujara (2013-17).

 

[Van_Sri]

So you can’t expect Laxman to score more runs than an upper order Batsman.

^^ This is also false. Test cricket is not odi cricket. No one is talking about ampunt of runs scored, root has more runs then steve smith but steve smith is a better test batter.

you can avg higher at no 5/6 in test then no 4.

Laxman played most of his games at 5 while YK at 4, that's not a big gap.

Travis head scored the most runs at no 5 in bgt and avg the highest.

No 5 is the easiest position to bat in test cricket because typically a No 5 comes in when the ball is too old to be a threat and theirs still plenty of time before new ball comes into play.

No 4 is where your best batter bats because that's the place where typically it reverses and spins the most as the ball is not too old, but old enough to start misbehaving.

Average of 39.97 runs per innings which is a good number for a Lower Order Batsman

No one claimed it isnt, just like no one is claiming that laxman isnt good, tmdebate is laxman vs yk, not laxman's status.

The difference is that laxman was a clown at the top order and wasn't good enough to replace dravid, Sehwag or Sachin plain and simple.

And waugh avg 56 at no 5 and 6 lol, he's in a totally different starstophere.

I've seen Laxman bat, He was an inconsistent test mess. He's literally the fakhar zaman of test cricket. Inconsistent mess but will play an atg innings here and their, and that too mostly in the flat track era.

Nowadays tests are hardly drawn.

 

[Van_Sri]

So you can’t expect Laxman to score more runs than an upper order Batsman.

^^ This is also false. Test cricket is not odi cricket. No one is talking about ampunt of runs scored, root has more runs then steve smith but steve smith is a better test batter.

you can avg higher at no 5/6 in test then no 4.

Laxman played most of his games at 5 while YK at 4, that's not a big gap.

Travis head scored the most runs at no 5 in bgt and avg the highest.

No 5 is the easiest position to bat in test cricket because typically a No 5 comes in when the ball is too old to be a threat and theirs still plenty of time before new ball comes into play.

No 4 is where your best batter bats because that's the place where typically it reverses and spins the most as the ball is not too old, but old enough to start misbehaving.

Average of 39.97 runs per innings which is a good number for a Lower Order Batsman

No one claimed it isnt, just like no one is claiming that laxman isnt good, tmdebate is laxman vs yk, not laxman's status.

The difference is that laxman was a clown at the top order and wasn't good enough to replace dravid, Sehwag or Sachin plain and simple.

And waugh avg 56 at no 5 and 6 lol, he's in a totally different starstophere.

I've seen Laxman bat, He was an inconsistent test mess. He's literally the fakhar zaman of test cricket. Inconsistent mess but will play an atg innings here and their, and that too mostly in the flat track era.

Nowadays tests are hardly drawn.

Laxman Scored 2 of his Best Innings against Australia : 167 at Sydney Cricket Ground as Opener, 281 at Eden Gardens as No 3 facing Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne both came in 2nd Innings. 104 at Ahmedabad vs Sri Lanka in First Innings facing Malinga and Murali on a low scoring pitch. Younis Khan did not score a Century against McGrath and Warne but against Sri Lanka he scored 3 Centuries - 107 at Rawalpindi in a low scoring match coming at 7th down facing Vaas and Murali in 2nd innings, 116 at Galle coming at 6th down facing Vaas and Murali in first innings, 313 at Karachi coming at No 3 facing Vaas and Murali in the first innings. Laxman was better against Warne and Younis was better against Murali.

 

[Van_Sri]

Younis Khan was a better player I feel after analyzing the Stats. He was a bit underrated due to the presence of Inzamam and Yousuf but he was more consistent across conditions compared to other 2, he also is a very good fielder. So he will definitely be the best choice to be included in an India All Time XI. 2 of his best centuries came at No 6 and No 7 facing Murali so can be a good choice as No 5.

 

[mominsaigol]

Younis Khan was a better player I feel after analyzing the Stats. He was a bit underrated due to the presence of Inzamam and Yousuf but he was more consistent across conditions compared to other 2, he also is a very good fielder. So he will definitely be the best choice to be included in an India All Time XI. 2 of his best centuries came at No 6 and No 7 facing Murali so can be a good choice as No 5.

That's my boy.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This thread shows the blatant bias of alot of Indian posters towards their favorites. But then that's bound to happen when you create a thread with such a title, so I don't understand the point.

 

[Van_Sri]

All Time India Pakistan XI : 1) Anwar 2) Gavaskar 3) Dravid 4) Sachin 5) Younis 6) Pant+ 7) Imran* 8) Kapil 9) Ashwin 10) Wasim 11) Bumrah - is this the ideal team for all conditions ?

 

[mominsaigol]

If you put Laxman > YK because he performed against atg Australia in an important test series then you have to put fakhar Zaman > Sachin Tendulkar because he bashed bumrah in an all important final and denied India their silverware.

At the end of the day in tests stats with context matter. you can use other semantical arguments in odi and t20 but they don't work in test.

At the end of the day minus sa, yk outperforms laxman in every other country followed by the fact that he has twice the no of centuries in lesser amounts of test games and overall more match wins.

Even has a triple century. Indian posters are as clueless as their own cricket board.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

YK probably would imo. But I would take him only in Asia and/or wickets like Sydney . Wouldn't play him on pitches with bounce. Wouldn't take any Pakistani batter on bouncy wickets for that matter.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Gavaskar is obviously from the old era and not relevant.

YK was better then Ganguly (2000-2008), Laxman (2009-2012) & Rahane & Pujara (2013-17).

I don't see it phase wise as you do. I am talking about the entire career here.

Post 2011, YK had a good chance in the Indian middle order, infact he would be able to replace Rahane in Asian conditions. But if you see over the entire career, VVS Laxman would be in the Indian team ahead of YK. Simply because of how he handled Warne and Murali and how he helped India compete in SA and Australia.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don't see it phase wise as you do. I am talking about the entire career here.

Post 2011, YK had a good chance in the Indian middle order, infact he would be able to replace Rahane in Asian conditions. But if you see over the entire career, VVS Laxman would be in the Indian team ahead of YK. Simply because of how he handled Warne and Murali and how he helped India compete in SA and Australia.

Laxman is rated even above Sachin in certain aspects. His only lack of quality is "statpadding" which he could have done so many times and didn't do. Most of his runs came when India needed desperately. Upto 2000s Moyo, Inzamam were always considered the best Pakistan players. It is only after 2010 Younis managed to become the best from Pakistan. That was pretty much after Laxman, Inzamam, Moyo's exit. For me Younis is a likable guy with his approach. His fitness allowed him to have an extended career even though i don't think he is as old as he states. He is a touch older. Kudos to his career. May be Pak fans saw more of Younis hence the subconcious bias.

 

[mominsaigol]

Laxman is rated even above Sachin in certain aspects. His only lack of quality is "statpadding" which he could have done so many times and didn't do. Most of his runs came when India needed desperately. Upto 2000s Moyo, Inzamam were always considered the best Pakistan players. It is only after 2010 Younis managed to become the best from Pakistan. That was pretty much after Laxman, Inzamam, Moyo's exit. For me Younis is a likable guy with his approach. His fitness allowed him to have an extended career even though i don't think he is as old as he states. He is a touch older. Kudos to his career. May be Pak fans saw more of Younis hence the subconcious bias.

Joke post

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Laxman is rated even above Sachin in certain aspects. His only lack of quality is "statpadding" which he could have done so many times and didn't do.

What did he do when there was chance to stad pad? The way you are phrasing it was as if he used to honourably through away his wicket instead of cashing in

 

[Van_Sri]

I don't see it phase wise as you do. I am talking about the entire career here.

Post 2011, YK had a good chance in the Indian middle order, infact he would be able to replace Rahane in Asian conditions. But if you see over the entire career, VVS Laxman would be in the Indian team ahead of YK. Simply because of how he handled Warne and Murali and how he helped India compete in SA and Australia.

Younis Khan had 3 Centuries against Murali and his record was decent in Australia in their peak. He had a better record than Laxman in England. Laxman scored 2 centuries vs Warne and 1 vs Murali. Overall it was definitely Younis but against Australia it was Laxman.

 

[mominsaigol]

What did he do when there was chance to stad pad? The way you are phrasing it was as if he used to honourably through away his wicket instead of cashing in

How does someone even stat pad in tests? That isn't possible unless a side doesn't declare?

How do you get bundled out for 200 but claim it's a stat pad? The logic of Indian posters .

 

[cricketjoshila]

Laxman Scored 2 of his Best Innings against Australia : 167 at Sydney Cricket Ground as Opener, 281 at Eden Gardens as No 3 facing Glenn McGrath and Shane Warne both came in 2nd Innings. 104 at Ahmedabad vs Sri Lanka in First Innings facing Malinga and Murali on a low scoring pitch. Younis Khan did not score a Century against McGrath and Warne but against Sri Lanka he scored 3 Centuries - 107 at Rawalpindi in a low scoring match coming at 7th down facing Vaas and Murali in 2nd innings, 116 at Galle coming at 6th down facing Vaas and Murali in first innings, 313 at Karachi coming at No 3 facing Vaas and Murali in the first innings. Laxman was better against Warne and Younis was better against Murali.

Younis Khan had 3 Centuries against Murali and his record was decent in Australia in their peak. He had a better record than Laxman in England. Laxman scored 2 centuries vs Warne and 1 vs Murali. Overall it was definitely Younis but against Australia it was Laxman.

Younis Khan had 3 Centuries against Murali and his record was decent in Australia in their peak. He had a better record than Laxman in England. Laxman scored 2 centuries vs Warne and 1 vs Murali. Overall it was definitely Younis but against Australia it was Laxman.

Younis Khan avgd 31 vs Australia when McGrath Warne were playing.

He avgd 32 in SA.

That's for starters.

His avg shot up post 2011 in many places.

 

[Van_Sri]

Younis Khan avgd 31 vs Australia when McGrath Warne were playing.

He avgd 32 in SA.

That's for starters.

His avg shot up post 2011 in many places.

In Australia his average was good around 43 but the average dropped due to failure at Sharjah. Against Murali he was better than Laxman. Laxman struggled too against England

 

[jnaveen1980]

What did he do when there was chance to stad pad? The way you are phrasing it was as if he used to honourably through away his wicket instead of cashing in

More like not extra focused in acculating runs like babar does in ODIs

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Yeah, he would bat at 5.

 

[Van_Sri]

 

[Van_Sri]

View attachment 150417All Time India Pakistan XI : 1) Anwar 2) Gavaskar 3) Dravid 4) Sachin 5) Younis 6) Pant+ 7) Imran* 8) Kapil 9) Ashwin 10) Wasim 11) Bumrah - is this the ideal team for all conditions ?

This Team is Almost Unbeatable 10 Players can Bat, 6 Players can Bowl.

 

[W63L35]

Considering batting in 4th innings is no walk in the park, Younis had the most 100s (5) in 4th innings .... then Williamson recently joined him.
He is the only Pakistan batsman to have scored 1000+ runs in 4th innings.

 

[W63L35]

Younis and Laxman - In same test matches playing on the exact same pitches....

Younis & Laxman played in 9 test matches together. Their stats in those 9 tests.
Younis scored 1321 runs (5 hundreds) in those tests whereas Laxman scored 513 runs with only one hundred.

 

[jnaveen1980]

These kind of "same match" is a flawed analysis lol Even Sachin is likely to have lower average. Relative bowling strength has to be facored in

 

[daytrader]

YK has 3 centuries, including a double century, in India from 6 matches. He averages over 76 in India. Laxman by comparison averages 51 at home. Younis is ahead and if he was Indian he would definitely be an ATG.

 

[W63L35]

These kind of "same match" is a flawed analysis lol Even Sachin is likely to have lower average. Relative bowling strength has to be factored in

I am glad you mentioned "relative bowling"..... It is my immense pleasure to factor the bowling is.....

Here are the bowlers in those 9 matches....

Now please be very honest ..... between Younis and Laxman who faced the better bowlers? I hope you don't rank Kaneria and Razzaq better than Kumble, Harbhjan and Zaheer Khan. I won't say lol like you did.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I am glad you mentioned "relative bowling"..... It is my immense pleasure to factor the bowling is.....

Here are the bowlers in those 9 matches....

Now please be very honest ..... between Younis and Laxman who faced the better bowlers? I hope you don't rank Kaneria and Razzaq better than Kumble, Harbhjan and Zaheer Khan. I won't say lol like you did.

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SO you admit both bowling were crap lol So why do you think anyone would value the stats against pakistan. That is why Laxman's stats against Australia is valued more.

 

[Van_Sri]

VVS Laxman vs Younis Khan is an Interesting Comparison

View attachment 150432

VVS Laxman Scored 41.94 runs per innings in 2000s and Younis Khan Scored 46.96 runs per innings in 2000s. So based on the Average we can conclude that Laxman had more Not Outs.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Younis Khan is the GOAT here... He will definitely play ahead of Laxman... No chance for Laxman.

 

[Van_Sri]

Younis Khan is the GOAT here... He will definitely play ahead of Laxman... No chance for Laxman.

Laxman definitely in Australia

 

[Van_Sri]

South Asia XI : 1) Anwar 2) Gavaskar 3) Dravid 4) Sangakkara+ 5) Sachin 6) Younis 7) Imran* 8) Ashwin 9) Wasim 10) Murali 11) Bumrah.

 

[Van_Sri]

View attachment 150442South Asia XI : 1) Anwar 2) Gavaskar 3) Dravid 4) Sachin 5) Sangakkara+ 6) Younis 7) Imran* 8) Ashwin 9) Wasim 10) Murali 11) Bumrah - World XI cannot defeat this team. New Ball is shared between Wasim and Bumrah followed by Imran. Spinners : Murali and Ashwin.

View attachment 150443South Asia XI : 1) Anwar 2) Gavaskar 3) Dravid 4) Sangakkara+ 5) Sachin 6) Younis 7) Imran* 8) Ashwin 9) Wasim 10) Murali 11) Bumrah.

Sangakkara usually comes at No 3 but as he has Wicket Keeping Responsibility moved him down to No 4, Tendulkar at No 5 had a good record and No 6 Younis as he is good player to bat with Lower Order Batsman. Bowling they have Good balance of Pace and Spin. Imran Khan will be the most relaxed captain as he has lot of bowling options with 3 Fast Bowlers and 2 Spin Bowlers and 9 Players who can bat.