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Could Jasprit Bumrah make it into Pakistan's all-time XI, assuming he were a Pakistani cricketer?

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Personally, I believe Bumrah is the greatest fast bowler of all time from Asia. However, I want to check with esteem posters in this site, whether he gets into all time Pak team as per their own assessment.

Jasprit Bumrah in 45 test matches got 205 wickets at a staggering avg of 19. This is better than most Pakistani bowlers and I think on merit he deserves a place in the team. Below will be my all time Pak XI:

Hanif Mohammed

Saeed Anwar

Javed Miandad

Younis Khan

Mohammed Yusuf

Misbah ul Haq

Imran Khan

Wasim Akram

Saqlain Mushtaq

Fazal Mehmood

Jasprit Bumrah
 
Jasprit Bumrah is good no doubt but where are Mohammad Asif, Waqar Younis and Rawalpindi Express here?
Personally, I believe Bumrah is the greatest fast bowler of all time from Asia. However, I want to check with esteem posters in this site, whether he gets into all time Pak team as per their own assessment.

Jasprit Bumrah in 45 test matches got 205 wickets at a staggering avg of 19. This is better than most Pakistani bowlers and I think on merit he deserves a place in the team. Below will be my all time Pak XI:

Hanif Mohammed

Saeed Anwar

Javed Miandad

Younis Khan

Mohammed Yusuf

Misbah ul Haq

Imran Khan

Wasim Akram

Saqlain Mushtaq

Fazal Mehmood

Jasprit Bumrah
 
He would definitely get in to the line-up, and then get called immediately.
All our resident Indian friends know this to be the truth.
 
He probably edges out Waqar or Fazal Mahmood. Might just be recency bias though. Waqar played long enough past his peak that the younger of us remember older Waqar a bit more than younger wrecking ball Waqar. Bumrah hasn't yet played long enough to know if that will happen to him also.

Probably fairer to assess when he has 300 test wickets or has played nearer a decade.
 
Bumrah is joint second greatest fast bowler of all time along with Malcom Marshal and only second to Sydney Barnes. It is hilarious you compare him with Asif, Waqar and Akhtar.
Not even in distance to Mcgrath
 
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Bumrah hasn't yet played long enough to know if that will happen to him also.

Anything can happen, but chances are very slim for having 1 5-fers in 40-50 tests. I don't recall anyone playing so many tests with 1 5-fer.

Waqar during his decline:

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What next can Bumrah break into WI side of late 70s & 80s

Greenidge
Haynes
Viv
Kalicharran
Lloyd
Sobers
Dujon
Roberts
Holding
Bumrah
Garner
-‐------------

Selected Bumrah ahead of Marshall he deserves it :dada
 
That looks unbelievable for a bowler like Waqar. A great decline indeed

Some fans argue that his stellar record pre-injury compensates for 1 5-fers in 40-50 tests.

I don't think it does. Against all non-minnows, Waqar had an elite record against WI/NZ in total 10-15 tests. I am picking less than 20 avg for elite output pre-injury to compensate for a very ordinary output after injury.

How much mileage a bowler can get for an elite record in 10-15 tests against non-minnows in entire career? I don't think it compensates for a very ordinary record in 40-50 tests.

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Bumrah would be first pick, then Imran .. Akram and Akhtar.

India finally gets their first decent pace bowler ever, and he also happens to be the potential GOAT. Love it. Remember when pakistanis used to mock Kumble as india's best pace bowler ? 😁
 
Yes, he would. Why is Misbah included in Op list and not picked any keeper?

Anwar
Hanif
Younis
Miandad
Inzamam
Yousuf
Rizwan(wkt)
Imran(c)
Wasim
Saqlain
Bumrah

Greatest Asian test team of all time in my opinion.
 
Yes sure, why not... Bumrah would make it easily. Bumrah, Wasim, Imran. Top bowling lineup...
Imran at 7
Kapil at 8
Wasim at 9
Bumrah at 10
Waqar/shami at 11

Who will beat this team? From non Asia

Remember Asian pacers don't get to stat pad in seaming tracks like sena pitches. So reduce averages of Asian pacers by 3 points easily.
 
Imran at 7
Kapil at 8
Wasim at 9
Bumrah at 10
Waqar/shami at 11

Who will beat this team? From non Asia

Remember Asian pacers don't get to stat pad in seaming tracks like sena pitches. So reduce averages of Asian pacers by 3 points easily.
Legendary line up. pure carnage all of these guys are for any opposition... Dream Bowling line up from Asia.
 
I find this thread disrespectful to Bumrah and coming from a Bharatiya it’s a disgrace. Bumrah is a legit GOAT contender as a test fast bowler which means he’s beyond such discussions already. You wouldn’t make a thread about whether Tendulkar will make an All Time Sri Lanka test XI because who even cares when he’s already GOAT batsman.
 
Legendary line up. pure carnage all of these guys are for any opposition... Dream Bowling line up from Asia.
Sorry I forgot a spinner.

I mean take your pick. I guess murali ashwin jaddu(if you need a batsman who can bowl)
Saqlain etc.
 
Bumrah will not even make it to the Pakistan XI even if it turned into Pakistan 50.

What a preposterous thread.
 
Yes.

He and Wasim will take the new ball. Imran will be a one change bowler. Saqlain will be the frontline spinner supported by leg spinner Mushtaq Mohammad.

Waqar and Shoaib will be net bowlers or may chip in for one off test when the main pacers require rest.
 
Not if Pakistani bowlers were allowed to use bottle caps.
Oh zip it with this nonsense, even Dravid and Sachin were caught tampering. Inds creating hoo haa and threatened match referee and Teenda got away with it. Everyone did it, it was just convenient to pick on Pakistanis.
 
Waqar declined by the time I started watching cricket. And even numbers doesn't take him near to other Greats. But seen few videos of his bowling. I like his rhythm while bowling.

For what separates Bumrah is along with his bowling, his ability to understand the batsman and the situation. You cant teach those things and player has to develop that to become more effective.

Thats why Bumrah is the hardest to hit in the current generation. He has both the best SR and best Average in bowling in his generation and that separates him from other greats.

I watched Wasim’s interviews and by far he has the best cricketing mind in Pakistan from what I have heard.

Bumrah, Wasim, Asif and Ashwin would be my picks from what I have seen in India-Pakistan combined 11.

Haven't watched Imran, Akhtar is too volatile and gets demotivated easily. Zaheer and Shami misses out as I feel Asif had one of the best swing bowling from Asia post - 2000’s.

I will probably use Asif and Akram as opening pair in a test and then use Bumrah - He is so good that he can have the same impact even at first change unlike others, such a trump card. And Ashwin for his cricketing mind.
 
Yes.

He and Wasim will take the new ball. Imran will be a one change bowler. Saqlain will be the frontline spinner supported by leg spinner Mushtaq Mohammad.

Waqar and Shoaib will be net bowlers or may chip in for one off test when the main pacers require rest.
Abdul Qadir was a much better leg spinner bowler (in fact, the best that Pakistan has produced in its history) than Mushtaq Mohammad who was primarily a batting all rounder. Hell, even Mushtaq Ahmed was a better leg spinner bowler than Mushtaq Mohammad.
 
At least he won t20 trophies, the stat padders you support, babar, rizwan, waqar, akhtar, have won nothing.

Now be a good troll and move the goal posts again like you always do.
Lies, Babar won CT 2017 - an ODI ICC tournament win something Bhumrah cannot even dream about. Now be a good troll and lie more like you always do.
 
He is good, but he is way overhyped by the indians as he is the only good fast bowler they have had in years so for them he is wasim akram.

He takes a wicket, indians tend to go gaga and do over analysis of how he ran in, delivered his ball, bought his arm in, his stride, foot mark etc.

Back in 2021, indians overhyped shaheen after the world t20, and than after he sucked they realized that oh look shaheens head is not even straight when landing.

As for whether Bumrah would had made the Pakistani team. He would had made it but he would had been out of the team before playing 20 games.

Reason being we dont know how to strategize in Australia, we love to play injured bowlers till they are dead and Aqib Javed made a living changing bowling actions.

The first step is the bowling action stage. Aqib Javed is one of the pioneers of changing the bowling action of bowlers. Alot of our bowlers that got natural advantage due to their bowling actions had to change it because Aqib Javed would head the NCA and he would assume an injury scare would shortern the bowling career. So Bumrah would have had a bowling action change, lose his pace and swing and would had toiled in domestic cricket.

But lets assume if he somehow passed the Aqib Javed test, than the next stage was being bowled to the ground. Im not sure if it was wt2022 or wc 2023 when Bumrah was injured or rehab and India had to make the hard decision of resting him. They did so, he regained his health and is still bowling well. Meanwhile, Shaheen Afridi was half fit, but we still played him as we assumed he would destroy India and the guy just broke down like a truck and never recovered.

Thirdly, one single Australia tour with the Pakistani team was always enough to end a fast bowlers career. We tend to play in Australia without any strategy. Our tours are two or three games only, and by the 2nd game we learn what to do, the tour is over. We have had pacers like Abdur Rauf and Mohammad Sami that were good pacers, were better than Bumrah. But since we sucked and had no strategy in Australia, those bowlrrs never performed the way they should had and were discarded

So Bumrah might have played but would never have had a career here in pakistan
 
He is good, but he is way overhyped by the indians as he is the only good fast bowler they have had in years so for them he is wasim akram.

He takes a wicket, indians tend to go gaga and do over analysis of how he ran in, delivered his ball, bought his arm in, his stride, foot mark etc.

Back in 2021, indians overhyped shaheen after the world t20, and than after he sucked they realized that oh look shaheens head is not even straight when landing.

As for whether Bumrah would had made the Pakistani team. He would had made it but he would had been out of the team before playing 20 games.

Reason being we dont know how to strategize in Australia, we love to play injured bowlers till they are dead and Aqib Javed made a living changing bowling actions.

The first step is the bowling action stage. Aqib Javed is one of the pioneers of changing the bowling action of bowlers. Alot of our bowlers that got natural advantage due to their bowling actions had to change it because Aqib Javed would head the NCA and he would assume an injury scare would shortern the bowling career. So Bumrah would have had a bowling action change, lose his pace and swing and would had toiled in domestic cricket.

But lets assume if he somehow passed the Aqib Javed test, than the next stage was being bowled to the ground. Im not sure if it was wt2022 or wc 2023 when Bumrah was injured or rehab and India had to make the hard decision of resting him. They did so, he regained his health and is still bowling well. Meanwhile, Shaheen Afridi was half fit, but we still played him as we assumed he would destroy India and the guy just broke down like a truck and never recovered.

Thirdly, one single Australia tour with the Pakistani team was always enough to end a fast bowlers career. We tend to play in Australia without any strategy. Our tours are two or three games only, and by the 2nd game we learn what to do, the tour is over. We have had pacers like Abdur Rauf and Mohammad Sami that were good pacers, were better than Bumrah. But since we sucked and had no strategy in Australia, those bowlrrs never performed the way they should had and were discarded

So Bumrah might have played but would never have had a career here in pakistan
If we are being really realistic. He wouldn't be able to make a comeback after his injury in Pakistan.
 
No - his action is an abomination. Who takes anyone seriously who runs like that?

And he would be too slow anyway.
 
He is good, but he is way overhyped by the indians as he is the only good fast bowler they have had in years so for them he is wasim akram.

We have had pacers like Abdur Rauf and Mohammad Sami that were good pacers, were better than Bumrah.
You are saying Abdur Rauf and Sami are good pacers than Bumrah and claim Indians are over-hyping Bumrah.

I mean seriously?😂😂

Bumrah took 32 wickets @13.xx average in Australia and you say these nobodies are better??

If talent is measured by some imaginary metric in your mind, thats up to you. But fact is Bumrah is less hyper by Indians as we hype batters like Rohit and Kohli, but what Bumrah has achieved surpassed them and this is the argument by foreign pundits. Not Indians.

No - his action is an abomination. Who takes anyone seriously who runs like that?

And he would be too slow anyway.
Yeah. A consistent 140+ bowler who also have a 4-5 kmph advantage due to his wrist position is slower. And the two Ws, who are in the same bracket or less than Bumrah is Phaasstt😂

Such delusions
 
You are saying Abdur Rauf and Sami are good pacers than Bumrah and claim Indians are over-hyping Bumrah.

I mean seriously?😂😂

Bumrah took 32 wickets @13.xx average in Australia and you say these nobodies are better??

If talent is measured by some imaginary metric in your mind, thats up to you. But fact is Bumrah is less hyper by Indians as we hype batters like Rohit and Kohli, but what Bumrah has achieved surpassed them and this is the argument by foreign pundits. Not Indians.


Yeah. A consistent 140+ bowler who also have a 4-5 kmph advantage due to his wrist position is slower. And the two Ws, who are in the same bracket or less than Bumrah is Phaasstt😂

Such delusions
They were better pacers managed poorly and had their career destroyed.

Bcci managed bumrah better. Alot of success of bumrah is owned to bcci, the way they handled and developed him
 
Lies, Babar won CT 2017 - an ODI ICC tournament win something Bhumrah cannot even dream about. Now be a good troll and lie more like you always do.
He contributed absolutely nothing to the trophy. The reason bumrah is credited for the t20 world cups is because he was man of the series in one and man of the match in the final in the other.

If he was a passenger like Babar, we wouldn't count those either

We are talking about winning the trophy, not being a statue in a winning team.
 
They were better pacers managed poorly and had their career destroyed.

Bcci managed bumrah better. Alot of success of bumrah is owned to bcci, the way they handled and developed him
The problem here is you dont mention in your opinion.

Sami or the other guy you mentioned had no credentials to prove they were better. You may like them and its your preference but cannot state as a fact.

They are just some mediocre bowlers and comparing them with Bumrah is baffling.

Yes Bumrah is well managed and has to be. He plays 3 formats unlike his previous generations and he is topping all three formats. So, one cannot use that managing aspect against him when he the best all-format player now.
He contributed absolutely nothing to the trophy. The reason bumrah is credited for the t20 world cups is because he was man of the series in one and man of the match in the final in the other.

If he was a passenger like Babar, we wouldn't count those either

We are talking about winning the trophy, not being a statue in a winning team.
Its futile arguing with someone who thinks Babar and Rizwan are some good T20 players. They will not even make B teams in SENAI with their current form. Thats how bad they are!

Bumrah’s career is GOATED with these 2 WT20 wins as he was the sole difference between winning and losing for us many times.

You have to listen to Faf speaking about Bumrah - he is literally the trump card

 
He contributed absolutely nothing to the trophy. The reason bumrah is credited for the t20 world cups is because he was man of the series in one and man of the match in the final in the other.

If he was a passenger like Babar, we wouldn't count those either

We are talking about winning the trophy, not being a statue in a winning team.
Tullar supporter caught lying and now backtracking. Expected. Babar did more in CT final that Teenda did in his 2 WC finals. Sit down.
 
Munaf Patel has more ODI WC's than Akhtar, Waqar, Asif and Shoaib. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Agreed, malik is on par with Sachin and our pace bowlers like irfan Pathan (2 world cups), ishant sharma, joginder Singh, munaf patel, Sreesanth are obviously superior to most Pakistani bowlers like asif, amir, waqar, akhtar.

Irfan Pathan with both t20 and odi world cup and champions trophy is superior to imran and Wasim as well.

I see no issues admitting that.
 
Agreed, malik is on par with Sachin and our pace bowlers like irfan Pathan (2 world cups), ishant sharma, joginder Singh, munaf patel, Sreesanth are obviously superior to most Pakistani bowlers like asif, amir, waqar, akhtar.

Irfan Pathan with both t20 and odi world cup and champions trophy is superior to imran and Wasim as well.

I see no issues admitting that.
Amir is, was and will always remain a joke.
 
Amir is, was and will always remain a joke.
30+ bowling average in the real format of cricket. And before the excuses start, he averages exactly same before his ban. His reputation was created based on one single season in England when the ball was swinging a mile.

But he took couple of wickets when team scored ~340 so he is a Pakistani legend
 
30+ bowling average in the real format of cricket. And before the excuses start, he averages exactly same before his ban. His reputation was created based on one single season in England when the ball was swinging a mile.

But he took couple of wickets when team scored ~340 so he is a Pakistani legend
He won a test match vs prime Australia in 2010 away from the subcontinent and made Ponting look clueless. Inds are still doing bhangra over one spell from ishant Sharma in Aus. Aamer did much more and I am not even a big fan of the guy for what he did. He was on track to become one of the greatest Asian bowlers before his ban. He destroyed Teenda in 2009 CT as well.
 
If Jaspreet was Pakistani, he would have been called for chucking after 2 or 3 games, so he would not have a career to begin with.
Al Amin Hussain from Bangladesh had a very similar action. He was called and was banned.

I'm not saying Bumrah would've been banned. But had Bumrah been from a country like Bangladesh or Pakistan. He would've at least been called once.
 
Al Amin Hussain from Bangladesh had a very similar action. He was called and was banned.

I'm not saying Bumrah would've been banned. But had Bumrah been from a country like Bangladesh or Pakistan. He would've at least been called once.
No he didn't. He didn't have an hyperextension action. ICC has a clear rule that bowlers with hyperextenxion actions are not to be reported and this happened just after tests on Akhtar and RP Singh proved hyperextesion was not chucking. Not a single bowler with hyperextension from any country has been reported after that.

For example, Junaid Khan

And its very, very easy to make out hyperextension vs chucking for any umpire or anyone with eyes.
 
Abdul Qadir was a much better leg spinner bowler (in fact, the best that Pakistan has produced in its history) than Mushtaq Mohammad who was primarily a batting all rounder. Hell, even Mushtaq Ahmed was a better leg spinner bowler than Mushtaq Mohammad.
You are missing the point here, this is with reference to Pakistan all time XI. Your 5th bowler doesn’t need to be a genuine spin option. I am not suggesting anywhere that Mushtaq Mohammad is a better or equivalent spinner to Qadir or Mushtaq but you need an all rounder as 5th bowler and Mushtaq was a very good one in test cricket. He bats at 6 with keeper at 7 and the four bowlers in all time XI.
 
Pakistani bros coping hard in this thread. All that much talked fast bowling glory, they haven't produced a single 200+ test pacer since Waqar.
 
Silenced Calcutta and won Asian test championship dismissing your 2 best ever batsmen for blobs. Sit down.
Yes one innings is worth more than entire career of consistent performances and multiple australia series win.

Amazing logic

And Sachin has always got out to a new bowlers in his career - from Henry olalnga to Brad Hogg, Akhtar is nothing special


He has got out 35 times to debutants, Akhtar is nothing special for it, 34 other debutants have done the same.
 
Why do you bring Australia? We are talking head to head here. Do you know Pakistan's record vs India in India?
1992 - Sydney
1996 - Bangalore
1999 - Manchester
2003 - Centurion
2011 - Mohali
2015 - Adelaide
2019 - Manchester
2023 - Ahmedabad

#HaveSomeShame

:dw
 
Bumrah is miles better than any Pakistani fast bowler barring Wasim. That's a fact.

Waqar Younis lol... Without Bottle caps , he would have been another Haris Rauf.

Shoaib Akhtar lol...he has won as many ICC tournaments as I have. :inti
 
Bumrah is miles better than any Pakistani fast bowler barring Wasim. That's a fact.

Waqar Younis lol... Without Bottle caps , he would have been another Haris Rauf.

Shoaib Akhtar lol...he has won as many ICC tournaments as I have. :inti
Sport does not always have to be about performance. Sometimes, it’s all about how you feel and no one comes close to Shoaib Akhtar when it comes to having jazba.
 
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