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A Black Cap is understood to have received a death threat prior to departing on the cricket team's tour to Pakistan.

The player, who Stuff has chosen not to name, was one of the 34-strong New Zealand group who fled Pakistan on a charter flight to Dubai on Saturday night (NZ time). They arrived there safely on Sunday.

Officials knew about the threat, which proved to be one of several made against the cricketers with the team leaving for the UAE under the cloud of an alleged bomb threat made against their hotel and flights.

Speaking with media on Sunday, New Zealand Cricket chief executive David White dismissed the email threats sent to players "a few weeks ago" saying they were "forwarded to our security provider," and "were proved to be hoax and not credible".

However, Stuff understands the player was so concerned they considered not travelling to Pakistan where the threat was believed to have originated from.

The alleged bomb threat came after the tour was called off, a decision made when “everything changed on Friday," White said – just before the Black Caps' first scheduled ODI against Pakistan in Rawalpindi.

That was when the cricketers were advised of a threat and “unfortunately, given the advice we’d received, there was no way we could stay in the country," White said, refusing to give any further detail of the threat.

The tour was abandoned and arrangements hastily made for the Black Caps to depart. White said that 24 members of the group now in Dubai would return home “over the next week or so’’ once flights and MIQ rooms became available.

The New Zealand tour party, including 21 players, received a full police escort to the airport on bulletproof buses, four hours before their scheduled departure from Islamabad.

White refused to detail the “specific and credible" threat that prompted the tour abandonment following a New Zealand Government security alert on Friday.

He said NZC remained comfortable with its initial decision to tour Pakistan, based on comprehensive assessments of the security situation, and the risk mitigation measures promised.

But, “everything changed on Friday,” he said. “The advice changed, the threat level changed and, as a consequence, we took the only responsible course of action possible.”

While the general tenor of the threat was immediately shared with the Pakistan Cricket Board, White reiterated that specific details could not, and will not, be disclosed – privately or publicly.

The BLACKCAPS have arrived in Dubai after leaving Islamabad on a charter flight last night (New Zealand time).

The players and support staff are now settling into their Dubai hotel and undergoing a 24-hour self-isolation.

He said MFAT were aware of the Pakistan tour and NZC "went through outlining all the detail of the tour, the fact that the tour was going to get incredibly high level of security. So that was explained.”

Asked if the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade warned NZC not to tour, White said: "We were not advised not to go."

White said in a statement on Sunday morning that NZC and the Black Caps had been “very much looking forward to the Pakistan series but were faced with no option but to abandon the tour after receiving, on Friday, advice from the New Zealand Government of a specific, credible threat’’.

This advice was supported by NZC’s security consultants – who were on the ground in Pakistan, and by other independent sources, he said. Government and international agencies had been alerted.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said the Government had passed on to NZC information it received about "credible and also direct and targeted'' threats to the Black Caps.

"There isn't much more that I can say beyond that, although we really do support the decision that was ultimately made by NZC to bring the team home,'' Arden said at her Sunday afternoon press conference.

She said Government agencies received the information on Friday and immediately let NZC know.

Asked if New Zealand's Five Eyes intelligence alliance partners provided the tip-off, Ardern said: "You will understand why we are not in a position to give further information as to the nature of the intelligence, other than to say, it was a direct threat, and it was a credible threat.”

She insisted NZC “made the right decision".

Ardern would not be drawn on her view about NZ Cricket’s decision to tour Pakistan in the first place given the instability in the region since the Taliban's takeover of neighbouring Afghanistan.

"As I understand it, it's a matter of course in a situation like this, that we will provide information to a departing organisation – threat assessment if you like – in order for them to make a decision on their next steps on whether they undertake a visit or a tour."

That was "relatively routine'' and had happened in the Black Caps' case.

"Ultimately, it was their decision. Subsequently, additional information came to light, and I believe they made exactly the right decision in acting on that information when they did."

Ardern said she had had a couple of "pretty brief'' conversations with Pakistan's prime minister, cricket great Imran Khan, over the decision to abort the Black Caps’ tour.

"He was concerned about the reports we had had and wanted to understand what was the nature of the concerns.''

She said Khan did not ask her to convince New Zealand Cricket to change its decision, but he had wanted "to come to an understanding how the decision had been made''.

White said that 24 members of the group now in Dubai would return home “over the next week or so’’ once flights and MIQ rooms became available. MIQ arrangements initially booked for them at the end of the Pakistan tour would now be cancelled.

The rest of the touring party will remain in the UAE and join up with the Black Caps’ T20 World Cup squad, ahead of that tournament commencing on October 17.

New Zealand Cricket’s decision had been backed by the New Zealand Cricket Players Association, which claimed White had done “an outstanding job’’ in respecting player safety.

“Obviously, it has not been an easy time for the players and their families, and it is a relief to everyone knowing that they are now safe,’’ the NZCPA said in a statement on Sunday.

“We recognise and understand that the decision to leave their country is extremely disappointing for the people of Pakistan. However, player safety has to be our number one priority, and we completely support the decision that has been made by New Zealand Cricket (NZC).

“We really feel for PCB CEO Wasim Khan and his team given the work they had put in to ensure the tour could go ahead, and we only hope that one day the situation will be such that we will be able to return safely.

“We have complete confidence in the security check processes we follow with NZC prior to going on any tour and remain comfortable with the decision to go – our players were really looking forward to playing in Pakistan for the first time.

“However, the security checking doesn’t stop on arrival and the continued risk assessments had determined that the situation for our team had changed last Friday and that a decision needed to be made to leave,” the NZCPA statement said.

“We would also like to thank the team at NZC led by David White who have done an outstanding job throughout – their commitment to player involvement in decision-making and player safety is second to none.

“In addition, we thank the New Zealand Government for their support and also our security consultant Reg Dickason whose experience and expertise in managing security for sporting tours and tournaments is hugely valued.”

White said he was grateful to the Pakistan Cricket Board for helping organise the safe departure of the New Zealand team.

“We appreciate this has been a terribly difficult time for the PCB and wish to pass on our sincere thanks to chief executive Wasim Khan and his team for their professionalism and care.’’

While supporting NZ Cricket’s decision, Ardern also said she was aware that the tour was important to the Pakistani public.

The Black Caps departed with a barb from veteran Pakistan all-rounder Mohammad Hafeez who posted on Twitter: “Thanks to the security of Pakistan forces to make arrangements to Black Caps to reach at airport Safe & Sound. Wonder same route & same security but no threat today???”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...re-departing-on-aborted-pakistan-cricket-tour
 
So they had these threats, send in their security and still set off and stayed in Pakistan for one week exposing themselves to danger?
 
So they had these threats, send in their security and still set off and stayed in Pakistan for one week exposing themselves to danger?

They did claim the threats were forwarded to the security and were proved to be a hoax/not credible.
 
They are up to something. Probably wants to make huge noise to attract NATO to intervene. PCB made a big mistake to invite this Trojan and we will suffer the consequences like Iraq.
 
This is not looking good for Pakistan's image, I guess it will be back to square one where it will host series in dubai or Malaysia.
 
The Bomb threat is a hoax. David White said they never heard of a bomb threat while being in Pakistan. Still, no threat has been proved or said.
 
Its all twisted, in the end Pcb will endure losses, lots will be said, nothing will be done, and the show will go on... NZ has choked our progress indefinitely, no sane team will want to visit, individuals might come for paycheques of psl, but no official team will be visiting.... if any team does so, they have to be ultimate desperates for $$$...
 
Look at the attention this pretty minor tour received from our enemies and you see what games are played. And still some are claiming that this isn't a conspiracy.
 
This sounds bad. It seems the threats prior to the tour were cleared as hoax by the security advisors but the one identified on Friday were deemed to be quite credible.

Clearly this was a lot more serious and there was no way they could ignore it.
 
To be honest, this proves that there was something serious that could have happened.

They had already identified the hoax but what happened on friday could be true.
 
This sounds bad. It seems the threats prior to the tour were cleared as hoax by the security advisors but the one identified on Friday were deemed to be quite credible.

Clearly this was a lot more serious and there was no way they could ignore it.

If you're in Pakistan or if you have ever been to Pakistan during any cricket series you won't say what you're saying at the moment.

Sports being used as a political tool unfortunately. If there is no security they even stayed for more than 24 hours after not playing the match.

Someday NZ will realise they made a fool out of themselves.

Do you even the procedure all around the world? Agencies don't start spreading threats like kids like NZ did. Agencies do share the threats and then they're verified. In this case it was a unilateral decision and they were just trying to proof the threat as at that moment there was a clear statement difference between the PM of NZ and the NZ authorities.

Simply it's an unfortunate event where NZ being used as a tool and the game has been politicised.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reports state that there was an alleged bomb threat to the New Zealand squad after they called the tour off. <br><br>PCB source regarding this "They shared no information or intelligence with our security agencies to see if we could work together to mitigate anything"<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvsNz?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvsNz</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1439515789145657347?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reports state that there was an alleged bomb threat to the New Zealand squad after they called the tour off. <br><br>PCB source regarding this "They shared no information or intelligence with our security agencies to see if we could work together to mitigate anything"<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PakvsNz?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PakvsNz</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1439515789145657347?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 19, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well, this is the threat after the tour got called off. We still don't know the threat that 'changed everything' and caused them to cancel the tour
 
New Zealand acted very childishly.

They handled everything very badly.

What are you talking about? NZ did what any other sane people do. Pakistan just isn't a safe country.

We shouldn't go there in the future as well.

Its either at UAE or in Bangladesh. Enough said.
 
What are you talking about? NZ did what any other sane people do. Pakistan just isn't a safe country.

We shouldn't go there in the future as well.

Its either at UAE or in Bangladesh. Enough said.

Which world you're living in? Have you ever seen or witnessed the security in Pakistan now? Pakistan is a safe country we're in 2021 list for tourism destinations. Many of the bloggers are roaming around the streets without any security (Check YouTube).

The only threat in the whole world could only be possible if an alien would've come from Mars.

Think before you speak is really important you better research before you just write anything otherwise people will feel you don't have any ability to research for anything.
 
To be honest, this proves that there was something serious that could have happened.

They had already identified the hoax but what happened on friday could be true.

Where is the proof?
 
What are you talking about? NZ did what any other sane people do. Pakistan just isn't a safe country.

We shouldn't go there in the future as well.

Its either at UAE or in Bangladesh. Enough said.

Is that why since T20i first started, England haven’t played a single T20 in Bangladesh? I wonder why🤨
 
Players and teams are always at the receiving end of threats, including the death threats. Just go look at social media. Plus no secret threats are called in or via email too.

Wouldn’t surprise me if a pro RSS called in a threat, it’s that easy, anyone can pick up the phone or spoof an IP etc.

Until the evidence comes to light, this alleged threat is 1 of millions sporting individuals receive around the world.

Over reaction by NZ for sure.
 
If you're in Pakistan or if you have ever been to Pakistan during any cricket series you won't say what you're saying at the moment.

Sports being used as a political tool unfortunately. If there is no security they even stayed for more than 24 hours after not playing the match.

Someday NZ will realise they made a fool out of themselves.

Do you even the procedure all around the world? Agencies don't start spreading threats like kids like NZ did. Agencies do share the threats and then they're verified. In this case it was a unilateral decision and they were just trying to proof the threat as at that moment there was a clear statement difference between the PM of NZ and the NZ authorities.

Simply it's an unfortunate event where NZ being used as a tool and the game has been politicised.
They got the directive from the govt to discontinue the tour based on a threat they obviously felt was much more than a hoax as they had encountered previously.

With regards to sharing of info, they obviously felt the specifics couldnt be shared with the Pakistani authorities as they have mentioned in the OP and perhaps we will never know in the future either.
 
What are you talking about? NZ did what any other sane people do. Pakistan just isn't a safe country.

We shouldn't go there in the future as well.

Its either at UAE or in Bangladesh. Enough said.

Read some of the other posts highlighting how New Zealand could have handled the situation.

There are better ways to abandon a tour. One should at least try not to disgrace the host.
 
So did they get the bomb threat before calling off the tour or after calling off the tour?

And if after, then please can they let let us know what caused them to call off in the first place?
 
New Zealand acted very childishly.

They handled everything very badly.

True.
They handled everything very amateurishly.
As a Bangladeshi, I am now apprehensive about inviting them to our country for a cricket tour now.
 
Read some of the other posts highlighting how New Zealand could have handled the situation.

There are better ways to abandon a tour. One should at least try not to disgrace the host.

Well, they did depend on Pakistan’s security personal to safely escort them to the airport.

Not sure why the 5 eyes navy seals did not arrive in Pakistan to safely evacuate the NZ squad in the face of a threat!
 
Well, they did depend on Pakistan’s security personal to safely escort them to the airport.

Not sure why the 5 eyes navy seals did not arrive in Pakistan to safely evacuate the NZ squad in the face of a threat!

Another valid point. If they don't trust our security enough to share details of a threat, why trust it to help evacuate them?

Things aren't adding up for New Zealand.
 
What are you talking about? NZ did what any other sane people do. Pakistan just isn't a safe country.

We shouldn't go there in the future as well.

Its either at UAE or in Bangladesh. Enough said.

Bangladesh should tour Pakistan.

Kiwis need to stop behaving like scared chickens.
 
They got the directive from the govt to discontinue the tour based on a threat they obviously felt was much more than a hoax as they had encountered previously.

With regards to sharing of info, they obviously felt the specifics couldnt be shared with the Pakistani authorities as they have mentioned in the OP and perhaps we will never know in the future either.

As far as your first paragraph is concerned our PM called the PM of NZ and the press release of Wasim Khan today clearly mentioned that every authority in Pakistan clearly stated that there was no threat at all. Matches were in Pakistan not in NZ so that makes no sense to believe a hoax rather than believing the people who are in the situation themselves and providing the security.

The other paragraph automatically proofs that first of all it is against the regular procedure of agencies that information is shared so that can be authenticated as NZ is not a kid that they don't understand that this decision has lot of consequences so you don't take such decisions like kids.

Pakistan offered them playing without people in the stadium also offered them not to play ODI's and stay there only for T20's all these things only proofs that it's all political decision and unfortunately cricket is being used here as a political tool.
 
That's easy, anyone can call from anywhere with a threat. If that would cancel the tour , with all security arrangements in place , that would only encourage the trouble makers.

Funny, anyone with an evil mind and with a cell phone can cancel the entire tour . I'm sure such trouble makers had tried the same in India, BD and even England but they did not have to cancel the tour.
 
As far as your first paragraph is concerned our PM called the PM of NZ and the press release of Wasim Khan today clearly mentioned that every authority in Pakistan clearly stated that there was no threat at all. Matches were in Pakistan not in NZ so that makes no sense to believe a hoax rather than believing the people who are in the situation themselves and providing the security.

The other paragraph automatically proofs that first of all it is against the regular procedure of agencies that information is shared so that can be authenticated as NZ is not a kid that they don't understand that this decision has lot of consequences so you don't take such decisions like kids.

Pakistan offered them playing without people in the stadium also offered them not to play ODI's and stay there only for T20's all these things only proofs that it's all political decision and unfortunately cricket is being used here as a political tool.

Agree , 100% , it was a political decision taken by NZL.
 
Which world you're living in? Have you ever seen or witnessed the security in Pakistan now? Pakistan is a safe country we're in 2021 list for tourism destinations. Many of the bloggers are roaming around the streets without any security (Check YouTube).

The only threat in the whole world could only be possible if an alien would've come from Mars.

Think before you speak is really important you better research before you just write anything otherwise people will feel you don't have any ability to research for anything.

There have been at least 3 terror attacks including one suicide bombing in the last two weeks! Every week, Chinese engineers are attacked. Pakistan is simply not safe! We must admit it!
 
As I’ve said all along. If there was a credible threat all they had to do was provide the details to the Pakistani government in private so, you know, it might help save Pakistani lives. I know obv Pakistani lives are not that important to them, but we’re not asking you to do any work to save Pakistani lives, just let the government know so they can do the work to protect their citizens!
 
There have been at least 3 terror attacks including one suicide bombing in the last two weeks! Every week, Chinese engineers are attacked. Pakistan is simply not safe! We must admit it!


If Pakistan is so unsafe then why did NZ even agree to tour in first place, should've said no from outset rather than running away midway.
 
There have been at least 3 terror attacks including one suicide bombing in the last two weeks! Every week, Chinese engineers are attacked. Pakistan is simply not safe! We must admit it!

Pakistan is safe we've kids as well I'm talking responsibly.

1) These guys were given presidential security.

2) Before NZ came to Pakistan cricketing events are now very normal for us we've hosted many countries already.

3) The companies who make tourism index and tourist destinations to visit are not from Pakistan and Pakistan is in 20 best destinations to visit in 2021.

4) Same security was give to British Royal Couple nothing happened to them and they had to travel as well. NZ just had to focus on their game.

5) Those attacks which happened are all near the borders and are all political issues so you yourself proving that Cricket is also a political issue now? And the teams that visited before them has lost their brains?

6) Life is all about thinking and making better decisions. They didn't share the information same could've been followed all this could've been wrapped up by saying Covid issues etc. anything but to damage any country's reputation like this can only be seen as an intentional move in my opinion and nothing else.
 
There have been at least 3 terror attacks including one suicide bombing in the last two weeks! Every week, Chinese engineers are attacked. Pakistan is simply not safe! We must admit it!

And yet, 3 “terror” attacks happened in England in 2017 during the cricket season - did any tours get called off?

7/7 happened during the “greatest test series ever” did any match get cancelled?

The Bangladeshi team almost got killed in New Zealand. Have any NZ had any matches being cancelled?

The UK and US governments have said since the taliban came back to power, the “threat” of attacks has increased considerably. Has there been any discussion at all of any sporting fixtures being cancelled?

The US had an insurrection by crazed white supremacists in Capitol Hill of all places - were any sporting events cancelled?

If we’re being honest, let’s be completely honest and say that the whole world isn’t a safe place anymore.

But things go on right?
 
Just saw wasims press conference.

There was no and I repeat no security breach. Reg Dickinson has verified that pakidtans security for su has sporting events is the best of all nations..just ask India with jarvo running onto the pitch.

Secondly the issue is with regards to the unilateral decision.withiut consultation they went.no info shared nothing.the intelligence was from the five eyes and we all know who controls that grouping..

Finally wasim said they will discuss the ramifications at the icc as this can now happen to any cricket nation at anytime..

The info is garbage..its probably planted or not credible but enough to spook the ever sensitive kiwis..
 
One aspect that people should understand that to make an impact and establish its presence, a national cricket team will be more vulnerable towards terror outfits than some random bloggers.

Pakistan doesn't have credibility because what happened in 2009, has never happened elsewhere in any country while tour by a cricket team.

You can rush to bring cricket but other players are not obligated to play.
 
And yet, 3 “terror” attacks happened in England in 2017 during the cricket season - did any tours get called off?

7/7 happened during the “greatest test series ever” did any match get cancelled?

The Bangladeshi team almost got killed in New Zealand. Have any NZ had any matches being cancelled?

The UK and US governments have said since the taliban came back to power, the “threat” of attacks has increased considerably. Has there been any discussion at all of any sporting fixtures being cancelled?

The US had an insurrection by crazed white supremacists in Capitol Hill of all places - were any sporting events cancelled?

If we’re being honest, let’s be completely honest and say that the whole world isn’t a safe place anymore.

But things go on right?

Don’t forget IPL 2010 where 2 bombs went off outside the stadiums but the tournament and players still played on.
 
Some people on this forum who always look for an opportunity to write something which is not good for Pakistan having a field day. That's OK, this is their time , let them write all ridiculous things like Pakistan is bad, unsafe , if they feel good with that.
 
One aspect that people should understand that to make an impact and establish its presence, a national cricket team will be more vulnerable towards terror outfits than some random bloggers.

Pakistan doesn't have credibility because what happened in 2009, has never happened elsewhere in any country while tour by a cricket team.

You can rush to bring cricket but other players are not obligated to play.

Ok, so why did NZ decide to tour pak in the first place. Playing global sport isn’t for the feint hearted. There are risks everywhere. If you were going to get the jitters every time there was a threat, then don’t tour.

I say the same thing to parents of kids who take up cricket or any sport for that matter. Your child will get hit and hurt somewhere along the line. So if you’re worried about that, don’t take it up
 
If NZC chairman's statement is taken to be true then this means that NZ has active intel on terrorists who will most certainly target Pakistanis. But they will not share this with Pakistani authorities.

Seem to be saying clearly here that Pakistani lives just do not matter.
Bizzarw really.
 
One aspect that people should understand that to make an impact and establish its presence, a national cricket team will be more vulnerable towards terror outfits than some random bloggers.

Pakistan doesn't have credibility because what happened in 2009, has never happened elsewhere in any country while tour by a cricket team.

You can rush to bring cricket but other players are not obligated to play.

Also we're living in a world where one click of a raw agents button and a series is called off and the "enemy" nation is hindered and their own cricketing tournament suddenly find itself with players that were hitherto unavailable.
 
And yet, 3 “terror” attacks happened in England in 2017 during the cricket season - did any tours get called off?

7/7 happened during the “greatest test series ever” did any match get cancelled?

The Bangladeshi team almost got killed in New Zealand. Have any NZ had any matches being cancelled?

The UK and US governments have said since the taliban came back to power, the “threat” of attacks has increased considerably. Has there been any discussion at all of any sporting fixtures being cancelled?

The US had an insurrection by crazed white supremacists in Capitol Hill of all places - were any sporting events cancelled?

If we’re being honest, let’s be completely honest and say that the whole world isn’t a safe place anymore.

But things go on right?

In all of the above events, no cricketers were harmed! Pakistan has a proven track record of being the only country in the world where cricketers were attacked with bazookas and there were injuries too!
 
In all of the above events, no cricketers were harmed! Pakistan has a proven track record of being the only country in the world where cricketers were attacked with bazookas and there were injuries too!

The point that everyone is trying to make is that the situation is changing/has changed and NZC (to some extent) acknowledged this by agreeing to tour and touching down in the country for a over a week.

Your argument is like saying Boeing and Airbus have had crashes with their planes or certain airlines have had plane crashes - doesn't mean every airline has ceased using Boeing or Airbus aircraft or the airlines with crashed planes have ceased operations and no one flies on board them anymore.
 
If someone actually planned on setting off a bomb, they wouldn't go around threatening or warming people about it. This was obviously a politically motivated move to sabotage Pakistan.
 
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The point that everyone is trying to make is that the situation is changing/has changed and NZC (to some extent) acknowledged this by agreeing to tour and touching down in the country for a over a week.

Your argument is like saying Boeing and Airbus have had crashes with their planes or certain airlines have had plane crashes - doesn't mean every airline has ceased using Boeing or Airbus aircraft or the airlines with crashed planes have ceased operations and no one flies on board them anymore.

Yes, the situation is changing and has improved considerably. That is why we have had multiple tours in the past 6 years and teams like New Zealand and England agreed to tour.

However, as I said in the other thread, teams will never give Pakistan the benefit of doubt because of its past.

Even if there is a passing rumor and only a 0.1% chance of a terrorist attack, they will adopt the “better safe than sorry” approach and walk out.

What happened to Sri Lanka in 2009 will impact Pakistan cricket forever. There is no escaping and no moving on from that because the overall security situation has improved considerably.

It is actually very easy to scare off teams while they are in Pakistan. Even an anonymous prank call is going to create panic among the touring team because well, it is Pakistan.

PCB, Pakistani media and the fans need to make peace with the bitter reality that cricket in Pakistan will never be normalized like it is in other countries.

There will always been added layer of risk when you are touring Pakistan no matter how great the security is and how much things have improved in general.

Some mistakes are too great to be forgiven and forgotten.
 
They are up to something. Probably wants to make huge noise to attract NATO to intervene. PCB made a big mistake to invite this Trojan and we will suffer the consequences like Iraq.

Intervene in what? Pakistan is no threat to NATO.
 
Yes, the situation is changing and has improved considerably. That is why we have had multiple tours in the past 6 years and teams like New Zealand and England agreed to tour.

However, as I said in the other thread, teams will never give Pakistan the benefit of doubt because of its past.

Even if there is a passing rumor and only a 0.1% chance of a terrorist attack, they will adopt the “better safe than sorry” approach and walk out.

What happened to Sri Lanka in 2009 will impact Pakistan cricket forever. There is no escaping and no moving on from that because the overall security situation has improved considerably.

It is actually very easy to scare off teams while they are in Pakistan. Even an anonymous prank call is going to create panic among the touring team because well, it is Pakistan.

PCB, Pakistani media and the fans need to make peace with the bitter reality that cricket in Pakistan will never be normalized like it is in other countries.

There will always been added layer of risk when you are touring Pakistan no matter how great the security is and how much things have improved in general.

Some mistakes are too great to be forgiven and forgotten.

You make some valid points as another poster stated in some thread recently, perceptions are everything. All the management and PCB/Pakistan as a country can do is work on sincerely improving this perception then rather than sitting around as though someone else will fix the problem for us.
 
This is pretty embarassing.

Also quite rich of Pakistani fans here to call the New Zealanders soft. What are they supposed to do? Whatever they did was right and doesn't deserve any bit of blame.
 
Yes, the situation is changing and has improved considerably. That is why we have had multiple tours in the past 6 years and teams like New Zealand and England agreed to tour.

However, as I said in the other thread, teams will never give Pakistan the benefit of doubt because of its past.

Even if there is a passing rumor and only a 0.1% chance of a terrorist attack, they will adopt the “better safe than sorry” approach and walk out.

What happened to Sri Lanka in 2009 will impact Pakistan cricket forever. There is no escaping and no moving on from that because the overall security situation has improved considerably.

It is actually very easy to scare off teams while they are in Pakistan. Even an anonymous prank call is going to create panic among the touring team because well, it is Pakistan.

PCB, Pakistani media and the fans need to make peace with the bitter reality that cricket in Pakistan will never be normalized like it is in other countries.

There will always been added layer of risk when you are touring Pakistan no matter how great the security is and how much things have improved in general.

Some mistakes are too great to be forgiven and forgotten.

Then we should have cancelled 2020 NZ tour based on real terrorist attack on the mosque. Because of meek Mani we lost our pride and NZ officials didn't treat us respectfully.
 
You guys are giving RAW and the 'enemy nation' a lot more importance than it deserves. I don't think RAW has any interest in disrupting a random series involving NZ, their hands are full trying to spot Dawood, his brothers and Hafiz Saeed. Moreover the current squad that is in Pakistan has none involved in the IPL(I could be wrong here, but no high profile names were in the squad). So to suggest that BCCI had a role is bemusing to say the least.
Go ahead blame India by all means but with supporting proof. When there is such a disturbance in India, fingers obviously are pointed at Pakistan but it is invariably is followed by proofs ( fabricated or otherwise). So lets wait till ISI traces the IP of the email or whatever the threat was, to India.
 
This is pretty embarassing.

Also quite rich of Pakistani fans here to call the New Zealanders soft. What are they supposed to do? Whatever they did was right and doesn't deserve any bit of blame.

Not many people are calling them softies. The main issue is that the supposed intelligence on which this exit was based on is still completely secret.
 
In all of the above events, no cricketers were harmed! Pakistan has a proven track record of being the only country in the world where cricketers were attacked with bazookas and there were injuries too!

I was responding to your reasoning that Pakistan is not safe. If you want to change your goalposts then I can’t help you.
 
You guys are giving RAW and the 'enemy nation' a lot more importance than it deserves. I don't think RAW has any interest in disrupting a random series involving NZ, their hands are full trying to spot Dawood, his brothers and Hafiz Saeed. Moreover the current squad that is in Pakistan has none involved in the IPL(I could be wrong here, but no high profile names were in the squad). So to suggest that BCCI had a role is bemusing to say the least.
Go ahead blame India by all means but with supporting proof. When there is such a disturbance in India, fingers obviously are pointed at Pakistan but it is invariably is followed by proofs ( fabricated or otherwise). So lets wait till ISI traces the IP of the email or whatever the threat was, to India.

You are making too many assumptions. There is almost no one blaming India.
 
Then we should have cancelled 2020 NZ tour based on real terrorist attack on the mosque. Because of meek Mani we lost our pride and NZ officials didn't treat us respectfully.

Two reasons:

1. New Zealand is and always will be one of the safest countries in the world. That was an isolated, freak event that will probably never happen again and it wasn’t even directed at a cricket team.

On an extremely small scale, it was like the 9/11 attack. The magnitude of the attack was immense, but it did not change the fact that there is an extremely, extremely small chance of a major terror attack happening on American soil.

As a result, the 9/11 did not disrupt the sporting activities and other day to day life in NYC.

2. Pakistan did not tour New Zealand and England out of the goodness of their hearts. No matter how much they claim, the intention was not to help these countries. Pakistan was looking after its own interests, i.e. convince these teams to play in Pakistan.

PCB knew that pulling out of those yours would have killed any possibility of them touring Pakistan any time soon.

PCB is in a miserable and helpless position. It has no leverage and it cannot act tough with any board.
 
You make some valid points as another poster stated in some thread recently, perceptions are everything. All the management and PCB/Pakistan as a country can do is work on sincerely improving this perception then rather than sitting around as though someone else will fix the problem for us.

Pakistan needs to look at the bright side. 12 years is not a long time period when you consider the magnitude of the attack on Sri Lanka, and the fact that until 2014-15, Pakistan was legitimately one of the most dangerous places in the world.

Keeping that in mind, it is miraculous that within 12 years of that attack and within 6-7 years of frequent terrorism activities, teams like England, Australia and New Zealand are willing to play in Pakistan.

When the attack on Sri Lanka happened, many of us thought that we will never host cricket again. Moreover, only 5-6 years back, if felt like it would take at least 15-20 years to convince these “white” teams to tour Pakistan.

What happened three days back was extremely humiliating but these hiccups were expected.

If Pakistan act tactfully and show some diplomatic nous, this could prove to be just a small bump on the road. If New Zealand tours in the near future, this humiliation will be forgotten in the long-term.

However, Pakistan has been so irrational, so immature, so emotional in the aftermath of this event that we are probably going to cause long-term damage with our attitude.

Everyone has lost his head. Hardly anyone is talking sense and has any control of what is coming out of his mouth. From PCB to the media to the players to the fans - it is a mass, collective verbal diarrhea and there is no end in sight.

Pakistan needs to take a step back, calm down and evaluate the situation. We are in full destruction mode.
 
The emotion from us Pakistanis is understandable to a point. We were just getting used to cricket returning to normal and this NZ saga occurs.

I’d like to offer an alternative perspective if I may:

- it is accepted universally I hope that this was a NZ government decision and not a cricketing body one. Therefore any reaction on social media is pure PR, which may even be understandable but it’s not NZ cricket board or players fault.

- Many posters do not understand how intelligence reports and threat alerts work. Even if your exposure is TV series such as homeland then you should understand that countries / grouped countries all share on a need to know basis. Maybe, just maybe there was a direct bomb threat to NZ team (confirmed I think) and the source, informant or even the attacker is a PCB employee or government or army employee? If that’s the case then it’s understandable why the exact report was not shared with ISI. We just don’t know and unlikely to ever find out as intelligence reports are rarely shared publicly. PCB and NZ cricket boards may work with security agencies to keep Leoldn safe but the information is usually a one way street and chairman’s and CEOs are hardly going to be vetted to a level where they get unredacted intel reports!

- PCB know full well that they have no right to access to government level intelligence. Maybe even NZ cricket board them selves have limited details of threat as they need to be warned of risk and told to come home but don’t need to be told exact details.

Ultimately there’s lots of hoo ha and emotion but ultimately we will never know and what we will be told in the media will simply be PR. The threat could have been genuine, false, as a result of Afghanistan situation, RAW and India causing mischief or other reasons.

The whole thing is a shame and I’m sad for Pakistan cricket. Let’s await and see ECB decisions to tour and future tours in the next 6 months before we accept we are back to square one.
 
The emotion from us Pakistanis is understandable to a point. We were just getting used to cricket returning to normal and this NZ saga occurs.

I’d like to offer an alternative perspective if I may:

- it is accepted universally I hope that this was a NZ government decision and not a cricketing body one. Therefore any reaction on social media is pure PR, which may even be understandable but it’s not NZ cricket board or players fault.

- Many posters do not understand how intelligence reports and threat alerts work. Even if your exposure is TV series such as homeland then you should understand that countries / grouped countries all share on a need to know basis. Maybe, just maybe there was a direct bomb threat to NZ team (confirmed I think) and the source, informant or even the attacker is a PCB employee or government or army employee? If that’s the case then it’s understandable why the exact report was not shared with ISI. We just don’t know and unlikely to ever find out as intelligence reports are rarely shared publicly. PCB and NZ cricket boards may work with security agencies to keep Leoldn safe but the information is usually a one way street and chairman’s and CEOs are hardly going to be vetted to a level where they get unredacted intel reports!

- PCB know full well that they have no right to access to government level intelligence. Maybe even NZ cricket board them selves have limited details of threat as they need to be warned of risk and told to come home but don’t need to be told exact details.

Ultimately there’s lots of hoo ha and emotion but ultimately we will never know and what we will be told in the media will simply be PR. The threat could have been genuine, false, as a result of Afghanistan situation, RAW and India causing mischief or other reasons.

The whole thing is a shame and I’m sad for Pakistan cricket. Let’s await and see ECB decisions to tour and future tours in the next 6 months before we accept we are back to square one.

You make some good points but here's where you're wrong. Intelligence is shared on a need to know basis but if this didn't qualify as a need to know situation then I don't know what will.

The NZ players were supposedly in grave danger and only the Pakistani security agencies could have protected them while they were on Pakistani soil. They could have been attacked anywhere, they could have been attacked on their way to the airport as they were leaving. You'd think the NZ authorities would want the only people who could protect their players in that moment to know the specifics of the threat.

They literally put their own players in further danger by withholding information from the Pak authorities. That just doesn't sit well with me.
 
As far as your first paragraph is concerned our PM called the PM of NZ and the press release of Wasim Khan today clearly mentioned that every authority in Pakistan clearly stated that there was no threat at all. Matches were in Pakistan not in NZ so that makes no sense to believe a hoax rather than believing the people who are in the situation themselves and providing the security.

The thing is trust issue.. OBL was found in Pakistan when they continuously say he's not there.. That incident really hit hard Pak's reputation..
 
This is exactly the reason why Pakistan is in such a terrible state overall! People refuse to admit anything is wrong with this country! People lie to themselves!

Pakistan is not safe except when it comes to hosting 100,000s of foreigners from Kabul in evacuation, 1000s of international workers, some sports teams that are not cricket and numerous other tourist who are presently in Pakistan. Yes, other than that it might not be safe.
 
And yet, 3 “terror” attacks happened in England in 2017 during the cricket season - did any tours get called off?

Another thing people failed to understand or ignoring.. These attacks or threat not directed to players.. Did you guys really think those tours would've continued if those attacks/threats were against visiting team?
 
The thing is trust issue.. OBL was found in Pakistan when they continuously say he's not there.. That incident really hit hard Pak's reputation..

Yup, same trust issues where india kept on denying they don’t have raw agents in Pakistan and are not running proxies. Then came along kulbushan, caught red handed.
 
The thing is trust issue.. OBL was found in Pakistan when they continuously say he's not there.. That incident really hit hard Pak's reputation..

As opposed to intelligence from a group that led to the Iraq war, and who knows how many civilians getting droned. One incident v/s dozens of incidents. Credibility is in the eyes of the beholder. For Pakistan this intelligence report lacks credibility.
 
Also we're living in a world where one click of a raw agents button and a series is called off and the "enemy" nation is hindered and their own cricketing tournament suddenly find itself with players that were hitherto unavailable.

Who was unavailable?
 
Can pakistan provide security? Well with their defence budget and resources. They can.

Can they convince others that their security is credible and will hold? Thats a different issue altogether.
 
Can pakistan provide security? Well with their defence budget and resources. They can.

Can they convince others that their security is credible and will hold? Thats a different issue altogether.

Your second part is pure speculation on your part.

Nobody knows the credibility and source of the imminent threat against New Zealand whilst they were already in Pakistan. Maybe New Zealand cricket themselves don’t know and they got an order from their government to return?

What we do know and is factual is that international teams have toured in recent years as have the British royal family and YouTube has countless international tourists roaming the country freely and safely.
 
Yup, same trust issues where india kept on denying they don’t have raw agents in Pakistan and are not running proxies. Then came along kulbushan, caught red handed.

That argument makes as much sense as a square wheel. A country having spies in another is a common occurrence. Giving shelter to an internationally wanted terrorist is quite something else.
 
Your second part is pure speculation on your part.

Nobody knows the credibility and source of the imminent threat against New Zealand whilst they were already in Pakistan. Maybe New Zealand cricket themselves don’t know and they got an order from their government to return?

What we do know and is factual is that international teams have toured in recent years as have the British royal family and YouTube has countless international tourists roaming the country freely and safely.

Security dynamics have changed with the arrival of taliban in Afghanistan.

No one gives a damn about individual youtubers roaming around the world. Thats immaterial.

My second part comes from the fact that even a phone call and assurance by the PM of pakistan was not enough to persuade the NZ team to play.
 
What are you talking about? NZ did what any other sane people do. Pakistan just isn't a safe country.

We shouldn't go there in the future as well.

Its either at UAE or in Bangladesh. Enough said.

Yeah and Bangladesh is 100% safe which is why foreign players move around in large police cordons.

Maybe you have forgotten about the Artisan Bakery bombing which just happened 5 years ago.

So Bangladesh is in no place to lecture others about security.
 
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The thing is trust issue.. OBL was found in Pakistan when they continuously say he's not there.. That incident really hit hard Pak's reputation..

Even America failed in Afghanistan doesn't mean that America doesn't exist.

Past is past now there is nothing in Pakistan people are visiting the country tourism is happening sporting events are happening it's better to see the reality rather than thinking about the past all the time.
 
Security dynamics have changed with the arrival of taliban in Afghanistan.

No one gives a damn about individual youtubers roaming around the world. Thats immaterial.

My second part comes from the fact that even a phone call and assurance by the PM of pakistan was not enough to persuade the NZ team to play.

I can’t debate with you as I’m using an argument based on fact whereas you are basing it on opinion and perception
 
Can pakistan provide security? Well with their defence budget and resources. They can.

Can they convince others that their security is credible and will hold? Thats a different issue altogether.

What are you on about? They agreed to come and play under the same security until the morning of the game

Security was fine till then If they didnt feel pakistan can keep their players safe then they shouldnt have come in the first place
 
If NZC chairman's statement is taken to be true then this means that NZ has active intel on terrorists who will most certainly target Pakistanis. But they will not share this with Pakistani authorities.

Seem to be saying clearly here that Pakistani lives just do not matter.
Bizzarw really.

Exactly. This sounds so pathetic on so many levels.
 
Even America failed in Afghanistan doesn't mean that America doesn't exist.

Past is past now there is nothing in Pakistan people are visiting the country tourism is happening sporting events are happening it's better to see the reality rather than thinking about the past all the time.

Which sporting events are happening in Pakistan ? Even Fifa's preliminary round qualifying matches don't happen in Pakistan. Pakistan football team always plays somewhere in the middle East.
 
Which sporting events are happening in Pakistan ? Even Fifa's preliminary round qualifying matches don't happen in Pakistan. Pakistan football team always plays somewhere in the middle East.

PSL, we hosted SA, SL and BD recently. Get updated bro.
 
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