And they say Pakistan's domestic structure is worse than gully cricket in Dhaka

[Syed1]

I keep hearing complains about domestic cricket this , domestic structure that..

Well this is the same domestic structure that has produced the following top notch talent in the last 2 years:

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Shadab Khan
Hasan Ali
Fahim Ashraf
Rumman Raees


I still stand by my word, domestic cricket is ok, there is always margin for improvement. The biggest culprit is the non-meritorious selections. Even in the CT squad we had the likes of Azhar (played well today), Hafeez (played ok today), Shehzad and Wahab. If we curb these bad selections to a max of one or two we will romp our way to top three in the rankings ASAP.

 

[Rayyman]

The experience on slow pitches really came in handy today.

 

[Syed1]

The experience on slow pitches really came in handy today.

But I thought domestic pitches were damp and sticky and do not promote stroke-play

 

[Rayyman]

But I thought domestic pitches were damp and sticky and do not promote stroke-play

Yea well we all know who has the best stroke-play in the world.

 

[Coconut]

Lol, calm down syed1. Everything looks nice and dandy when team wins and it looks exactly the opposite when team loses. It's good that Pakistan have won today's match based on the good performance of their rookie players.


But that doesn't necessarily mean u should overlook the core problem. Young players tend to do well when they first come to the scene but the real struggle comes when their novelty factor wear off.

Sgarjeel, fakhar, Barbar, fahim, all r good. Time will tell us how much talented they truly r.

 

[Ellipsism]

There is still a huge issue with the wickets being used for the QeA trophy.

The Pakistan Cup wickets were excellent- they allowed for strike play and forced bowlers to either be skilful or bowl with intelligence and stats are also a lot more reliable.

 

[saeed5646]

Lol agree we have a players but need a honest CS so we can have a better team

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

This is our problem...one good series or tournament..and we hiding mess under carpet. Our domestic cricket is crap. Admit the population of 200 million is not producing enough quality

 

[Ellipsism]

This is our problem...one good series or tournament..and we hiding mess under carpet. Our domestic cricket is crap. Admit the population of 200 million is not producing enough quality

Agreed here.

This is still a huge issue.

 

[choclate]

I keep hearing complains about domestic cricket this , domestic structure that..

Well this is the same domestic structure that has produced the following top notch talent in the last 2 years:

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Shadab Khan
Hasan Ali
Fahim Ashraf
Rumman Raees


I still stand by my word, domestic cricket is ok, there is always margin for improvement. The biggest culprit is the non-meritorious selections. Even in the CT squad we had the likes of Azhar (played well today), Hafeez (played ok today), Shehzad and Wahab. If we curb these bad selections to a max of one or two we will romp our way to top three in the rankings ASAP.

Exactly the point, not sure the top ranking but damn well put, we are used to complaining that this is bad and that is bad but this same structure gave you the above players

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Thank PSL.

 

[Pete Rose]

probably the most ignorant commentary today (an no surprise that Ramiz was clueless about it, to correct it) was about how these are typical pakistan conditions. They are not, certainly not in the list A game most of which are being played in damp weather in the north.
Whenever we have flat pitches we have high scores in List A.

 

[Executioner]

Actually Pakistan domestic cricket is bad but there are a lot of talents especially at the U-19 level.

Do you want proof of poor domestics? Whenever plays lose their form and play domestics they dont come back as well as they should. Thats where PSL comes to the rescue

 

[Syed1]

Agreed here.

This is still a huge issue.

Agreed there is a huge issue, but it's not like the system isn't producing international quality players. You are yourself aware of how there are some excellent pacers in domestics but they have hardly been picked for A team let alone international.

There is massive room for improvement in the domestics, but I can bet my life's saving that with this same system but meritorious selections we can rocket through the rankings.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

It's raw ability and Cricketers sneaking In.


Our Domestic Structure, competitiveness, umpiring, selection merit, ground conditions, ground facilities, fielding standard, balls standard, match fees etc are really really poor.


Only departmental Cricket at FC has some Life.

 

[Savak]

We keep producing players inspite of a crappy domestic structure. Just imagine what happens if we drastically improve and overhaul domestic cricket.

 

[Markhor]

We keep producing players inspite of a crappy domestic structure. Just imagine what happens if we drastically improve and overhaul domestic cricket.

Hit the nail on the end. These victories are despite the domestic system not because of it.

We still have issues with strike rotation and boundary hitting. Chasing 200+ scores thanks to the heroics of our bowlers does not hide our glaring batting deficiencies which may well be exposed (hopefully not) in the final.

 

[Ellipsism]

Agreed there is a huge issue, but it's not like the system isn't producing international quality players. You are yourself aware of how there are some excellent pacers in domestics but they have hardly been picked for A team let alone international.

There is massive room for improvement in the domestics, but I can bet my life's saving that with this same system but meritorious selections we can rocket through the rankings.

The system isn't nurturing talent.

Pitches, conditions and match balls, these issues are still prevelant.

Up until we limit the amount of teams in the QeA so it is easier to monitor talent and identify a pool of players, balance out pitches and ditch playing with local balls we won't sky rocket through the rankings.

 

[Mamoon]

So the point of this thread is that Pakistan cricket has become a bed of roses because we made it to the CT final, and all of our problems have been sorted, and it is the start of a new golden era.

 

[Syed1]

So the point of this thread is that Pakistan cricket has become a bed of roses because we made it to the CT final, and all of our problems have been sorted, and it is the start of a new golden era.

Try reading the OP a second time, maybe that would help.

 

[Mamoon]

Try reading the OP a second time, maybe that would help.

Once is enough for me, it is a poor thread.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

So the point of this thread is that Pakistan cricket has become a bed of roses because we made it to the CT final, and all of our problems have been sorted, and it is the start of a new golden era.

We have just reached the final of an ICC tournament in England beating South Africa and England. I think its safe to say we have just ushered in a new golden era.

 

[Hamza_]

We have just reached the final of an ICC tournament in England beating South Africa and England. I think its safe to say we have just ushered in a new golden era.

With Hafeez and Junaid in the team? Shizzy as bench strength?

 

[Syed1]

With Hafeez and Junaid in the team? Shizzy as bench strength?

Junaid has outbowled Amir in this tournament by quite a margin. You can like or dislike players but be objective enough to appreciate when they are doing good.

 

[Hamza_]

Junaid has outbowled Amir in this tournament by quite a margin. You can like or dislike players but be objective enough to appreciate when they are doing good.

Fair enough. But he is not long term solution, Rumman should take his place who is younger and have more variety

 

[Major]

funny how life is.

Had the catch against Sarfraz been held, forget the finals, we wouldn't had been in the semis.

And after that the domestic set up would had been critisized and what not.

My point is, yes we made it to the finals, but this does not overshadow our problems back home.
Pakistan has been winning games due to its bowling alone. Our batting hasn't been asked to chase 280+ scores, when we do that and lose on that then we would know the faults that exist

 

[Hamza_]

funny how life is.

Had the catch against Sarfraz been held, forget the finals, we wouldn't had been in the semis.

And after that the domestic set up would had been critisized and what not.

My point is, yes we made it to the finals, but this does not overshadow our problems back home.
Pakistan has been winning games due to its bowling alone. Our batting hasn't been asked to chase 280+ scores, when we do that and lose on that then we would know the faults that exist

+1 for the post

 

[omcswe]

our domestic cricket is rubbish. worse than anything ever.

and it is not horrible because the pitches aren't good or because quaid e azam trophy continues to remain fluid and there is never a definite structure or because the balls used are substandard or because people like shakil sheikh continue to hold positions of power.

our domestic cricket is horrible because there is no clear line available for a young player to become a part of it.

it doesn't give a clear direction to any young child playing cricket. a lot of talented players never manage to enter the system and end up choosing careers that their parents picked for them.

sports are nurtured through a domestic system, and ours does the opposite.

and no amount of champions trophy or icc match wins will change it. and funnily, a loss in the final will mean that the same people glorifying the system will be back to calling it miserable and horrible. small world this.

 

[Major]

our domestic cricket is rubbish. worse than anything ever.

and it is not horrible because the pitches aren't good or because quaid e azam trophy continues to remain fluid and there is never a definite structure or because the balls used are substandard or because people like shakil sheikh continue to hold positions of power.

our domestic cricket is horrible because there is no clear line available for a young player to become a part of it.

it doesn't give a clear direction to any young child playing cricket. a lot of talented players never manage to enter the system and end up choosing careers that their parents picked for them.

sports are nurtured through a domestic system, and ours does the opposite.

and no amount of champions trophy or icc match wins will change it. and funnily, a loss in the final will mean that the same people glorifying the system will be back to calling it miserable and horrible. small world this.

this!


Good post.

There are guys who never manage to get into the real professional cricket. And these are the good players.

I know guys who would had never played domestic cricket or even Pakistan had he not faked his age.

 

[Farhansk]

Despite having poor structure in the country if our selection committee selects the right squad, we can give a very tough time to our opponents.

Players like Sahibzada Farhan, Hussain Talat, Aamir Yamin, Haris Suhail, Sharjeel Khan, Hammad Azam, Imam up Haq and many others in our set up may not be world beaters but they are all worth a chance at the expense of Muhammad Hafeez, Shahzad and Malik.

We can still make a very good ODI unit if right players are selected, we have all realised how good of a move the exclusion of Wahab has been and if we somehow replace ttfs with the right players then this team may go a long way and achieve what our team of 90s couldn't achieve.

 

[Rudi hater]

If Pakistan improves its domestic structure it would produce much better and more cricketers than it is producing now.

 

[Syed1]

Despite having poor structure in the country if our selection committee selects the right squad, we can give a very tough time to our opponents.

Players like Sahibzada Farhan, Hussain Talat, Aamir Yamin, Haris Suhail, Sharjeel Khan, Hammad Azam, Imam up Haq and many others in our set up may not be world beaters but they are all worth a chance at the expense of Muhammad Hafeez, Shahzad and Malik.

We can still make a very good ODI unit if right players are selected, we have all realised how good of a move the exclusion of Wahab has been and if we somehow replace ttfs with the right players then this team may go a long way and achieve what our team of 90s couldn't achieve.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Thanks for being one of the few who see my point of view.


Our domestic structure is BAD there is no denying that, but with the same structure we are continuing to produce quality cricketers who are good enough to carry the side to the final of a world tournament. Now if selection is made more merit based our side could be even better.

 

[Syed1]

funny how life is.

Had the catch against Sarfraz been held, forget the finals, we wouldn't had been in the semis.

And after that the domestic set up would had been critisized and what not.

My point is, yes we made it to the finals, but this does not overshadow our problems back home.
Pakistan has been winning games due to its bowling alone. Our batting hasn't been asked to chase 280+ scores, when we do that and lose on that then we would know the faults that exist

There is certain degree of luck involved in any triumph. By the same vein you can say Pakistan Sachin dropped not once not twice but FOUR times in the 2011 WC SF. If any one of those had been caught Sachin would have been dismissed early the score would have become easier for Pakistan to chase.

Besides when Saifi's catch was dropped only around 30 runs were needed. Amir at the other end was batting better than Saifi and Hasan was next man in and we all know he can bat. It wasn't a foregone conclusion that Saifi's wicket meant a Pakistani defeat.

 

[hafizexpress]

Fair enough. But he is not long term solution, Rumman should take his place who is younger and have more variety

Junaid and Rumman's ages are not much different. Both are long term solutions

 

[Major]

There is certain degree of luck involved in any triumph. By the same vein you can say Pakistan Sachin dropped not once not twice but FOUR times in the 2011 WC SF. If any one of those had been caught Sachin would have been dismissed early the score would have become easier for Pakistan to chase.

Besides when Saifi's catch was dropped only around 30 runs were needed. Amir at the other end was batting better than Saifi and Hasan was next man in and we all know he can bat. It wasn't a foregone conclusion that Saifi's wicket meant a Pakistani defeat.

Amir was batting, but junaid or hasan wouldn't had lasted that long. We won that match not because of a single player, but because of a partnership.

Also regarding the India game, that was the lowest score posted by India in the whole world cup, so even after the drop catches it should had been chased down.

Thing is, we could win the Champions trophy, but our problems of domestic cricket exist.

 

[Zabbaz]

I keep hearing complains about domestic cricket this , domestic structure that..

Well this is the same domestic structure that has produced the following top notch talent in the last 2 years:

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Shadab Khan
Hasan Ali
Fahim Ashraf
Rumman Raees


I still stand by my word, domestic cricket is ok, there is always margin for improvement. The biggest culprit is the non-meritorious selections. Even in the CT squad we had the likes of Azhar (played well today), Hafeez (played ok today), Shehzad and Wahab. If we curb these bad selections to a max of one or two we will romp our way to top three in the rankings ASAP.

We really should not be unwise. Yes we won today and that is great, but let us not go overboard. Domestic cricket is not up to standard if you compare it with the rest of the world. If it were, we would dominate world cricket. This why people like Imran Khan keep talking about all the talent in Pakistan. It’s not that we have a Wasim, Waqar or Inzi at very corner, but that we manage to produce great players without a proper domestic structure. We produce great players in spite of our domestic system not because of it. Sure the domestic system that we have does play a small role, but it is by no means the main reason for our success.

 

[Zabbaz]

This is our problem...one good series or tournament..and we hiding mess under carpet. Our domestic cricket is crap. Admit the population of 200 million is not producing enough quality

Well said sir

 

[Zabbaz]

Amir was batting, but junaid or hasan wouldn't had lasted that long. We won that match not because of a single player, but because of a partnership.

Also regarding the India game, that was the lowest score posted by India in the whole world cup, so even after the drop catches it should had been chased down.

Thing is, we could win the Champions trophy, but our problems of domestic cricket exist.

Agree with your post. Also I just have a quick off topic question. Why do you think we could not chase it down. What was the reason?

 

[Hasan123]

The players we are producing have the talent and natural ability. What happens is that the system and the pitches don't allow these guys to improve. The pitches ensure bowlers don't bowl long spells, also they don't encourage stroke making for batsmen so batsmens techniques regress and get worse.

If we can improve domestic cricket it will help us a lot. Currently we have to introduce our younger players to international cricket quicker as it is a better learning curve than domestic cricket is.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

We really should not be unwise. Yes we won today and that is great, but let us not go overboard. Domestic cricket is not up to standard if you compare it with the rest of the world. If it were, we would dominate world cricket. This why people like Imran Khan keep talking about all the talent in Pakistan. It’s not that we have a Wasim, Waqar or Inzi at very corner, but that we manage to produce great players without a proper domestic structure. We produce great players in spite of our domestic system not because of it. Sure the domestic system that we have does play a small role, but it is by no means the main reason for our success.

How can the domestic structure be blamed when you do not select players who average 50 plus like Fakhar and below 20 bowlers like Sadaf and keep on selecting media backed Ahmed Shehzad and Wahab Riaz type players

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

I keep hearing complains about domestic cricket this , domestic structure that..

Well this is the same domestic structure that has produced the following top notch talent in the last 2 years:

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Shadab Khan
Hasan Ali
Fahim Ashraf
Rumman Raees


I still stand by my word, domestic cricket is ok, there is always margin for improvement. The biggest culprit is the non-meritorious selections. Even in the CT squad we had the likes of Azhar (played well today), Hafeez (played ok today), Shehzad and Wahab. If we curb these bad selections to a max of one or two we will romp our way to top three in the rankings ASAP.

Compeltely agree with you!
How can you blame domestic when you select media backed players who average 30 plus over 50 plus average players like Fakhar and bowlers like Wahab over bowlers who average below 25 like Raees

 

[Syed1]

The players we are producing have the talent and natural ability. What happens is that the system and the pitches don't allow these guys to improve. The pitches ensure bowlers don't bowl long spells, also they don't encourage stroke making for batsmen so batsmens techniques regress and get worse.

If we can improve domestic cricket it will help us a lot. Currently we have to introduce our younger players to international cricket quicker as it is a better learning curve than domestic cricket is.

Good points, so domestic structure is able to sufficiently identify and produce international grade cricketers, but it is unable to polish that rough diamond to make an expensive product.

 

[Hasan123]

Good points, so domestic structure is able to sufficiently identify and produce international grade cricketers, but it is unable to polish that rough diamond to make an expensive product.

Exactly. That's why I would prefer a younger team at international level as they will learn more playing international cricket and under Arthur than playing domestic cricket.

Give someone like Talat and some of those young pacers that are hyped on PP 6 months under Azhar Mahmood and Mickey Arthur and watch there progress.

 

[iniqbal223]

Partly its about domestic cricket and partly due to some non performing players occupying places. I heard comments by Abdul Qadir about Umar Akmal being dropped, seriously what he was smoking.

Akmals have let us down for last 8/10 years, and we are still carrying them. Its time to get rid of Umar Akmal forever just like we got rid of Kami Akmal. We definitely can get much better players than akmals.

 

[Zabbaz]

How can the domestic structure be blamed when you do not select players who average 50 plus like Fakhar and below 20 bowlers like Sadaf and keep on selecting media backed Ahmed Shehzad and Wahab Riaz type players

I agree with you that selection is also a major issue. That Sadaf has not been given a chance is just tragic. However, it does not change the fact that the system itself is not up to standard. Like I said, we do produce great players even with a horrible system, but that does not mean that the system is fine. Imagine if the system was brought up to standard and the players were selected on merit what then? It would make it hard for other teams to compete when you factor in that we already produce the odd great players here and there even right now. How many would we produce with a proper high class domestic system? It is a mouthwatering prospect

 

[MMHS]

The players we are producing have the talent and natural ability. What happens is that the system and the pitches don't allow these guys to improve. The pitches ensure bowlers don't bowl long spells, also they don't encourage stroke making for batsmen so batsmens techniques regress and get worse.

If we can improve domestic cricket it will help us a lot. Currently we have to introduce our younger players to international cricket quicker as it is a better learning curve than domestic cricket is.

Thanks, for the right word. It's a troll bait thread, but couldn't resist - at least someone does know the difference between what is structure & what is system. Lot's of clue are hidden between these two words.

 

[Shafi]

I keep hearing complains about domestic cricket this , domestic structure that..

Well this is the same domestic structure that has produced the following top notch talent in the last 2 years:

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Shadab Khan
Hasan Ali
Fahim Ashraf
Rumman Raees


I still stand by my word, domestic cricket is ok, there is always margin for improvement. The biggest culprit is the non-meritorious selections. Even in the CT squad we had the likes of Azhar (played well today), Hafeez (played ok today), Shehzad and Wahab. If we curb these bad selections to a max of one or two we will romp our way to top three in the rankings ASAP.

Great article and you nailed it. If Inzamam selected players based on merit and disposed those TTFs we would be among top 4 now. We kept carry Gul, Irfan, Akmal brothers, Hafeez, Azhar, Shehzad, Azhar, Shafiq, Wahab for so long instead of many deserving players than those.

 

[Bewal Express]

Talent is natural and the job of the domestic scene is to polish it. PK domestic structure is a mess and the fact that young players are coming through is more by accident than any design. Just imagine if he had a structure worthy of the name.

 

[MRSN]

Lol not surprised. Syed changes sides to the flow of wind. Yesterday he was cursing how bad is PCB and now he can't stop loving them.

People have may have forgotten that our biggest problem the batting hasn't been put to modern day req test. Theh have been enjoying their bowlers succeess.

The batting is a real mess which stays a mess no matter because 220s total on flat road and yet two scratchy chase are you blind?

I knew this win will completely stop the overhaul of old finished cricketers but fans like Op give them new hope.