What's new

Andhra scraps state Waqf board's earlier orders issued by YSR Congress regime [Post Updated #9]

cricketjoshila

cricketjoshila

Test Captain
Joined
Mar 16, 2011
Runs
47,983
Post of the Week
1
Villagers in Tamil Nadu’s Thiruchendurai village were in for a shock after a land owner, trying to sell his land, was informed that he must get a no-objection certificate (NOC) from the Waqf Board according to a recent letter to the sub-registrar’s office.

Rajagopal wanted to sell a little over an acre of land when he was told to get the NOC since the land now belonged to the Waqf Board. Baffled by this new information about his own land, Rajagopal checked all his documents but couldn’t find any such claims.

But, there is a bigger problem. According to the official, all the land of Thiruchendurai village now belongs to the Waqf Board and if anyone wants to sell off the land, they will have to secure an NOC from the board in Chennai.

Villagers lined up outside the district administration’s office who didn’t find any truth to the claim. There was no data about Muslims living in the area and documents showed that a resettlement happened in 1927-1928 and no information about Muslims owning property in the area could be found.

However, a 20-page letter has been sent to 12 registration offices in Trichy by the Waqf Board, claiming lands in several districts.

Thiruchendurai has a 1500-year-old Sundareswarar Temple and several customs related to the Srirangam Temple were held in the village, making villagers question how the Waqf could claim their land.


According to the letter, 18 villages are facing a similar situation and the authorities, shocked by this development, have promised to resolve the matter.

https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ge-told-waqf-board-owns-it-2000195-2022-09-14
 
Sections of Wakf act now being challenged in the court.

The Narsimha Rao government had passed the Wakf act 1995, it has given Wakf board the power to claim any land as wakf property.

In case of dispute to such claim, the aggrieved person has to approach the Wakf board for resolution. And no other forum can be used.

Shockingly the Wakf Act prohibits even the supreme court and high courts from adjucating in these matters.
 
According to reports,

Wakf board has claimed the house of Mukesh Ambani, valued at $1 bn as wakf property.

Apparently the PM house and many parts of Lutyens Delhi is claimed as Wakf property.

I wonder how long before they start claiming the entire country.

The Wakf act 1995 has no place in a secular country. It has to be aborgated.
 
cricketjoshila said:
According to reports,

Wakf board has claimed the house of Mukesh Ambani, valued at $1 bn as wakf property.

Apparently the PM house and many parts of Lutyens Delhi is claimed as Wakf property.

I wonder how long before they start claiming the entire country.

The Wakf act 1995 has no place in a secular country. It has to be aborgated.
Click to expand...

Wakf claims 77% of Delhi.
 

Andhra scraps state Waqf board's earlier orders issued by YSR Congress regime​


The N Chandrababu Naidu-led TDP government in Andhra Pradesh has withdrawn earlier orders issued for the state Waqf board by the previous YSR Congress regime and will constitute a new board soon. The move came against protests by Muslim outfits and Opposition parties over the Waqf (Amendment) Bill, 2024.

In an order, the state government said the Waqf board, constituted by the YSR Congress government, had been non-functional since March 2023, and had no representation of scholars from Sunni and Shia communities and former parliamentarians. This was leading to stagnation in Waqf operations, the order said.

Junior advocates were chosen without proper criteria in the Bar Council category, leading to conflicts of interest involving senior advocates who filed cases, according to the order.

Complaints were filed against the election of SK Khaja as a board member, particularly concerning his eligibility as 'mutawalli' (a person who manages and administers a waqf). Also, the election of chairman has not been held due to various court cases.

Following this, the state government will constitute a new Waqf board soon.

The decision came at a time when Waqf boards across several states are facing allegations of encroachments and land claims, sparking a political controversy.

On August 8, the central government introduced the Waqf bill in the Lok Sabha, saying the law was aimed to streamline the Waqf Board's work and ensure the efficient management of Waqf properties.

It was immediately sent to a joint parliamentary committee after Opposition parties and Muslim organisations expressed concerns, claiming that the bill was a targeted measure against the community and an infringement on its constitutional rights.

The parliamentary panel's meetings on the Waqf bill have become a virtual battleground between the Opposition and the ruling party members, who have been vociferously debating the changes to the Waqf bill proposed by the government.

On Thursday, the Lok Sabha adopted a resolution to extend the tenure of the Joint Committee on the Waqf bill till the last day of the Budget session of Parliament next year.

www.indiatoday.in

Andhra scraps state Waqf board's earlier orders issued by YSR Congress regime

The TDP-led government in Andhra Pradesh said the Waqf board, constituted by the YSR Congress regime, had been non-functional since March 2023, and had no representation of scholars from Sunni and Shia communities.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in
 
Playing with fire there but understandable as they are opposition to YSR.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
JaDed said:
Playing with fire there but understandable as they are opposition to YSR.
Click to expand...
Normally andhra is known for religious harmony but waqf board is known for corruption. Previously waqf chairman from telugu desam party(present ruling one) have given permission for liquor shops close to the mosque and deposited in his account. so all the chairman's are ripping of the waqf property. so any streamlined and audited process is much better than unauthorised verified and blatant corruption process.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Waqf board should be dissolved and the waqf act must be abrogated in the entire country. How can any piece of land in a Hindu. Yes Muslims due to their nature and will come to the streets and start doing riots but we must be prepared to face them in the streets. A civil war is inevitable.
 

Yogi Adityanath's 'will face denting painting' warning over Waqf land claims​


In a warning to the Waqf board, Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath said those coming to the Maha Kumbh with the intention of claiming the land would face "denting-painting", indicating punitive action. Adityanath's stinging remark, at an AajTak event, came days after a cleric claimed that the Maha Kumbh in Prayagraj was being held on waqf land.

Speaking on the entry of Muslims at the world's largest religious congregation, Adityanath said those who have respect and reverence for India and its culture were welcome to visit Prayagraj. However, he warned that those coming with a malicious mindset would face action.

In a hard-hitting remark, the fiery Hindutva leader said, "Anyone who respects Indian traditions is welcome. Many people had ancestors who converted to Islam under pressure in the past, yet they still take pride in Indian traditions. If such people, following traditions, come to take a dip in the Ganga, there is no problem. But if someone comes with the intention of claiming the land, they might face denting-painting."

However, he emphasised that there would be no "discrimination of any kind" as millions of devotees across India are set to participate in the Maha Kumbh, which happens after a gap of 12 years.

Launching a no-holds-barred attack on the Waqf board, Adityanath asserted that the Uttar Pradesh government would reclaim every inch of land that had been taken under the pretext of waqf.

"The Kumbh has been a symbol of India's heritage for thousands of years and has always taken place here. It is not the Waqf Board but a board of land mafias," the Chief Minister said.

He also said amendments had been made to the law and the state was investigating all such "occupied" land.

"Wherever the word 'waqf appears, it will be investigated to see in whose name the land was originally registered, and efforts will be made to return it to its rightful owners," Adityanath said.

The sharp remarks come at a time when a parliamentary panel is discussing the amendments to the Waqf Bill, which was tabled by the Centre last year. The bill aims to streamline the manner of registration of waqf properties.

ON HIS 'BATENGE TOH KATENGE' SLOGAN​

Speaking on his controversial "batenge toh katenge (if divided, we will be harmed)" remark during the Maharashtra elections, Adityanath dismissed allegations that it was an attempt to polarise the voters.

"There is no such thing as Hindu polarisation. It's about India's history," he said, urging his detractors to look back at history.

"If you take a glance at history, you will see that division led to suffering. If we learn from our past mistakes, then a situation where we are shackled by the chains of slavery will never rise again. The slogan was aimed at addressing these issues," he said.

www.indiatoday.in

Yogi Adityanath's 'will face denting painting' warning over Waqf land claims

Yogi Adityanath's stinging remark, at an AajTak event, came days after a cleric claimed that the Maha Kumbh in Prayagraj was being held on waqf land.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in
 
Bhaijaan said:
Waqf board should be dissolved and the waqf act must be abrogated in the entire country. How can any piece of land in a Hindu. Yes Muslims due to their nature and will come to the streets and start doing riots but we must be prepared to face them in the streets. A civil war is inevitable.
Click to expand...


lol
Please dont have nightmares and sleep well. Yes dissolve it and spend the money on building a statue of Salman Khan--- who is not a Muslim.
 
Waqf Amendment Bill Cleared By Joint Parliamentary Committee, 14 Amendments Proposed By NDA Accepted
The Joint Parliamentary Committee scrutinising the Waqf (Amendment) Bill cleared the bill on Monday, adopting all amendments proposed by the ruling BJP-led NDA members and negating every change moved by opposition members.

The Waqf (Amendment) Bill, 2024, was referred to the joint committee of Parliament on August 8 following its introduction in the Lok Sabha by Union Minority Affairs Minister Kiren Rijiju. The Bill aims to amend the Waqf Act of 1995, to address issues and challenges in regulating and managing Waqf properties.

www.news18.com

Waqf Amendment Bill Cleared By Joint Parliamentary Committee, 14 Amendments Proposed By NDA Accepted - News18

The Waqf (Amendment) Bill, 2024 introduced to regulate Waqf properties, was referred to the JPC on August 8 following its introduction in the Lok Sabha by Union Minority Affairs Minister Kiren Rijiju.
www.news18.com www.news18.com
 
Romali_rotti said:
Lefties are overall burning more than the muslims it seems.
Click to expand...

You got that right.

It’s called politics

Regular Muslims want safety and jobs but these communal leftist keep on provoking them for their vote bank politics
 
Rajdeep said:
Can someone pls summarize what this Bill would do?
Click to expand...

From what I know it allows the state and federal governments to decide on how the waqf illegally occupied lands can be managed. Muslims on the Waqf board can now be overruled by the government once the bill clears and becomes the law.

I could be wrong though.
 
How is a Waqf property any different from say a Church-owned property ? Do the property rights differe in these two cases ? Somebody deal in the specifics here, need clarity. @CricketCartoons will know.
 
Our Rahul Kundi is fighting hard for the illegal occupiers of the Indian land though.

Might actually be more detrimental for the Waqf cause when The Puppu is fighting for you.

🤣😂
 
RexRex said:
How is a Waqf property any different from say a Church-owned property ? Do the property rights differe in these two cases ? Somebody deal in the specifics here, need clarity. @CricketCartoons will know.
Click to expand...

Answer to that will take you on a journey that exposes Congress’s duality as a party which calls itself secular but has been historically an Anti-Hindu Leftist front.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Answer to that will take you on a journey that exposes Congress’s duality as a party which calls itself secular but has been historically an Anti-Hindu Leftist front.
Click to expand...

The right word is Pseudo Secular.

India is a pretty silly country you have to admit, what kind of ppl will allow an Italian women to rule over you at your house. 😂

Even Pakistanis are not that stupid.
 
Romali_rotti said:
The right word is Pseudo Secular.

India is a pretty silly country you have to admit, what kind of ppl will allow an Italian women to rule over you at your house. 😂

Even Pakistanis are not that stupid.
Click to expand...

Italian women talk too loud for my liking and hence i wouldn’t prefer them ruling over me. It’s my personal choice and my constitutional right to keep this stance without being prosecuted for expressing my belief.
 
Rajdeep said:
Can someone pls summarize what this Bill would do?
Click to expand...
Here's a good summary - The Waqf (Amendment) Bill, 2024

I've added some personal commentary in colour
  • The Bill changes the composition of the Central Waqf Council and Waqf Boards to include non-Muslim members. In fact, non-Muslim members have been made mandatory. No such stipulation has been made for other religious bodies managing property - either Hindu or Christian. I love the fact that the stipulation against women not being allowed on the boards has been removed.
  • The Survey Commissioner has been replaced by the Collector, granting him powers to conduct surveys of waqf properties. This this is very fair. It would've been better to allow some delegation to avoid bottlenecks.
  • Government property identified as waqf will cease to be waqf. Collector will determine ownership of such properties. Again very fair in my opinion
  • Finality of the Tribunal’s decisions has been revoked. The Bill provides for direct appeal to the High Court. Excellent provision.

Pretty decent law overall I think. Only the membership clause leaves a slightly bad taste.
 
Red-Indian said:
Here's a good summary - The Waqf (Amendment) Bill, 2024

I've added some personal commentary in colour
  • The Bill changes the composition of the Central Waqf Council and Waqf Boards to include non-Muslim members. In fact, non-Muslim members have been made mandatory. No such stipulation has been made for other religious bodies managing property - either Hindu or Christian. I love the fact that the stipulation against women not being allowed on the boards has been removed.
  • The Survey Commissioner has been replaced by the Collector, granting him powers to conduct surveys of waqf properties. This this is very fair. It would've been better to allow some delegation to avoid bottlenecks.
  • Government property identified as waqf will cease to be waqf. Collector will determine ownership of such properties. Again very fair in my opinion
  • Finality of the Tribunal’s decisions has been revoked. The Bill provides for direct appeal to the High Court. Excellent provision.

Pretty decent law overall I think. Only the membership clause leaves a slightly bad taste.
Click to expand...
Forgot to add - another absurd clause is considering only individuals who've been practicing Islam for at least 5 years as eligible for creation of Wakf. Given that there's no legal way to determine how long someone has been practicing a religion - especially Islam to which you can conceivable convert in private, I'm not sure what the point is and how it'll be enforced.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Answer to that will take you on a journey that exposes Congress’s duality as a party which calls itself secular but has been historically an Anti-Hindu Leftist front.
Click to expand...

That's great.

But you still haven't mentioned the difference in property rights of a Waqf and Church lands, so much so that the govt had to intervene in the former. Maybe @Red-Indian knows.
 
RexRex said:
That's great.

But you still haven't mentioned the difference in property rights of a Waqf and Church lands, so much so that the govt had to intervene in the former. Maybe @Red-Indian knows.
Click to expand...
Church in India means Catholic church which owns massive amounts of property. Unfortunately, from what I remember when I looked at this topic a while ago, governance is very vague. Different state laws apply, there's no central law, non-christians are excluded from roles in governance and there is considerable misuse, corruption and disputes.

Unlike the current anti-muslim mood which has forced reform in Muslim Wakf law, there is no real constituency to drive reform in Church property administration. I'm guessing the courts will have to intervene at some point.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Continue to focus India's politics against Islam and Muslim community because presumably it appeals to their vote base.
Click to expand...

Why do you think India is against muslims and not any other minority religion?
 
🇺🇸
: Imposed 26% tariff on all Indian goods.
🇮🇳
: Discussing Waqf at 1 AM in Indian Parliament.

Indian will be fighting the ghosts of Mughal for the next 1000 years as Muslims population of India continue to increase.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Continue to focus India's politics against Islam and Muslim community because presumably it appeals to their vote base.
Click to expand...

Strange that debate around Waqf Amendment Bill framed as a so called Hindu-Muslim issue.
Because,
1)nation-wide 9942 cases filed by *Muslims* against Waqf

2)Of total cases against Waqf pending before Tribunals, 20% are filed by Muslims

3)In Kerala alone, 50% of cases filed against waqf are by Muslims

4)More Muslims litigants against Waqf in Kerala, *than all other communities combined*

Is it Waqf Bill or Waqf Board that’s ‘anti Muslim’?
 
Valid questions have been asked.
What has Waqf done for the benefit of Muslims for decades?

No answer to such questions
 
Rajdeep said:
Why do you think India is against muslims and not any other minority religion?
Click to expand...

Opportunism. Just as there was a period when large sections of the world turned on Jews in the early 20th century, now is a good time to indulge in Islamophobia. Attacking other minorities would incur a backlash from the world community and negative media coverage.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Strange that debate around Waqf Amendment Bill framed as a so called Hindu-Muslim issue.
Because,
1)nation-wide 9942 cases filed by *Muslims* against Waqf

2)Of total cases against Waqf pending before Tribunals, 20% are filed by Muslims

3)In Kerala alone, 50% of cases filed against waqf are by Muslims

4)More Muslims litigants against Waqf in Kerala, *than all other communities combined*

Is it Waqf Bill or Waqf Board that’s ‘anti Muslim’?
Click to expand...

They are only framed as Hindu-Muslim issue because it is hindutva politicians who are constructing this frame. You yourself are fist-pumping every new article published about Modi/Yogi and this is what gives this impression.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Opportunism. Just as there was a period when large sections of the world turned on Jews in the early 20th century, now is a good time to indulge in Islamophobia. Attacking other minorities would incur a backlash from the world community and negative media coverage.
Click to expand...

Is it not true muslims didnt wanted to live with Hindu majority and demanded a seperate country? So why would they want to have Waqf board now in India?

#Victimcard

:kp
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
They are only framed as Hindu-Muslim issue because it is hindutva politicians who are constructing this frame. You yourself are fist-pumping every new article published about Modi/Yogi and this is what gives this impression.
Click to expand...

Brother, Modi is transforming our nation. We finally have a leader who is focussed on taking us levels ahead without worrying about being politically correct.
 
Rajdeep said:
Is it not true muslims didnt wanted to live with Hindu majority and demanded a seperate country? So why would they want to have Waqf board now in India?

#Victimcard

:kp
Click to expand...

So are you accusing your Indian Muslims of being Pakistanis? :unsure:
 
Rajdeep said:
Is it not true muslims didnt wanted to live with Hindu majority and demanded a seperate country? So why would they want to have Waqf board now in India?

#Victimcard

:kp
Click to expand...

Cry victims when in minority, annihilate and stomp over when in Majority.

:apology
 
HalBass9 said:
🇺🇸
: Imposed 26% tariff on all Indian goods.
🇮🇳
: Discussing Waqf at 1 AM in Indian Parliament.

Indian will be fighting the ghosts of Mughal for the next 1000 years as Muslims population of India continue to increase.
Click to expand...

Yes lets talk about import tariffs on a thread that has nothing to do with it. 👏 .

Mashallahh, we have another true soldier of Islam here...
 
HalBass9 said:
🇺🇸
: Imposed 26% tariff on all Indian goods.
🇮🇳
: Discussing Waqf at 1 AM in Indian Parliament.

Indian will be fighting the ghosts of Mughal for the next 1000 years as Muslims population of India continue to increase.
Click to expand...
How is Waqf board bill related to Mughals? It is very much about the present.
People just read the headlines and go about making broad statements. :ROFLMAO:
 
Romali_rotti said:
Yes lets talk about import tariffs on a thread that has nothing to do with it. 👏 .

Mashallahh, we have another true soldier of Islam here...
Click to expand...
I can tell you didn’t quite read my comment, probably too busy trying to win the Internet Olympics in being “technically correct.” Gold medal in speed, zero points for comprehension. 😄

Just to clarify, I wasn’t criticizing you, the other poster, this thread, or even the sacred temple that is this forum. My side eye was aimed at the Indian government, thank you very much.

As for being a “true soldier of Islam”, nah, I’ll pass on that cosplay. Unlike our Hindutva brothers here, I’m not losing sleep over who owns which patch of land. The award for “Best Historical Roleplay, Mughal Ghostbusters Edition” still firmly belongs to Hindutva Twitter.

And @Hitman, as always, back at it with the two second hot takes. Some habits die harder.
 
HalBass9 said:
Just to clarify, I wasn’t criticizing you, the other poster, this thread, or even the sacred temple that is this forum. My side eye was aimed at the Indian government, thank you very much.
Click to expand...

Yes brother, the tariff connection still makes all the sense in the world on a thread like this 😇😇...
 
Romali_rotti said:
Yes brother, the tariff connection still makes all the sense in the world on a thread like this 😇😇...
Click to expand...
I refuse to believe you're actually that bad at reading comments, clearly, you're just putting on your "confused face" because your feelings did a little somersault when someone poked fun at the Indian government. Totally get it, bro, patriotism hits different sometimes.
 
HalBass9 said:
I refuse to believe you're actually that bad at reading comments, clearly, you're just putting on your "confused face" because your feelings did a little somersault when someone poked fun at the Indian government. Totally get it, bro, patriotism hits different sometimes.
Click to expand...

Yes OK brother.


Whatever makes you feel better at the end of the day.

:apology
 
Romali_rotti said:
Yes OK brother.


Whatever makes you feel better at the end of the day.

:apology
Click to expand...


Honestly, it’s kind of a bummer, not because people can’t read, but because they can, they do understand the context, and still choose to cosplay as confused bystanders the moment their patriotic feelings get a paper cut. It’s not exactly heartwarming, it’s more like watching nationalism and selective outrage hold hands while riding a unicycle through a country already juggling religious divisions.

But, I’m optimistic, I truly believe that if you just park your feelings in the emotional timeout corner for a sec, you’ll see the context crystal clear. It’s not magic, just reading comprehension with a pinch of emotional detachment. :viv
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

MenInG
The Pakistan-Pandora papers connection
2
Replies
127
Views
10K
MenInG
MenInG
A
Ignored minority peasants crushed by poverty after Sindh floods
Replies
2
Views
712
sa88
S
M
What knowledge does one need to properly discuss the concepts of God, revelation and creation?
Replies
48
Views
3K
ManFan
ManFan
S
NAB scraps corruption charges against Najam Sethi [Update Post #7]
Replies
6
Views
1K
AssassinatedDevil
A
G
Explosions rock Zimbabwe capital, soldiers seize state broadcaster as coup talk intensifies
Replies
11
Views
1K
Robert
Robert
Back
Top