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Andrew Symonds vs Yuvraj Singh? Who is the better ODI player?

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Interesting comparison I believe as both of them were middle order bat who had the ability to turn the game on their head and dominate the opposition attack when needed.

On one hand, you have Andrew Symonds who took his team to a world cup win in 2003 and was a part of 2007 world cup win while on the other, there was a Yuvraj Singh who also led his team to world cup win in 2011 and WT20 back in 2007.

Here are their stats for that matter:

Symonds - 5088 runs @ avg 39.75 @SR 92.44 @ 30 fifties and 6 hundreds
Yuvraj - 8539 runs @ avg 36.80 @SR 87.74 @ 51 fifties and 14 hundreds

Who do you think was the better Odi player of the two? Let's not forget that Yuvraj career isn't yet over and he can still add something more to his resume.
 
Symonds was better despite underachieving. Tells you a lot about that guys talent. Both of them are ODI greats and it is difficult to choose between them.
 
came in to say Yuvraj but those numbers reminded me of how good symonds was. hard to choose between the two but i would still go with yuvraj because of his ability to score 100s and play long innings.
 
Both incredible hitters of the ball. Both very good all rounders for their team.

Both underachieved in their careers due to various reasons and the careers of both players were cut short (although Yuvraj has made a comeback). Symonds was a brilliant match winner in the 2003 world cup but his career was cut short due to his drinking problems and his subsequent issues with the board after the 2007 world cup. Yuvraj played the starring role for India in the maiden T20 world cup. He played through the 2011 world cup with an undiagnosed lung cancer and still ended up as the man of the tournament.

I would choose Yuvraj purely because of nostalgic reasons and because I feel he could've achieved much more if he didn't get the dreaded thing which impaired his health significantly.
 
Symonds inning of 143 of 125 in world cup 03 vs an attack of Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib was perhaps one of the best knocks of that tournament coming to bat at 86-4..Could make a case of being better than Ponting 140 vs Indian attack as compared to what Symonds faced coming to bat at 86-4.

Yuvraj, on other hand, won his team the quarter final match vs Australia in 2011 contributing both with bat and ball.

Not much to choose between their bowling either. In terms of fielding , although Yuvraj was a great fielder for India but Symonds simply takes this quite easily.Its actually tough to pick one of them.
 
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Yuvraj was man of the tournament for India in their two world cup triumph. More clutch player than Symonds.
 
Symonds inning of 143 of 125 in world cup 03 vs an attack of Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib was perhaps one of the best knocks of that tournament coming to bat at 86-4..Could make a case of being better than Ponting 140 vs Indian attack as compared to what Symonds faced coming to bat at 86-4.

Yuvraj, on other hand, won his team the quarter final match vs Australia in 2011 contributing both with bat and ball.

Not much to choose between their bowling either. In terms of fielding , although Yuvraj was a great fielder for India but Symonds simply takes this quite easily.Its actually tough to pick one of them.

Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib were just names in that tournament. Bowled absolute filth throughout the WC. Ponting's knock on the other hand came against the second best pace attack in the tournament.
 
Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib were just names in that tournament. Bowled absolute filth throughout the WC. Ponting's knock on the other hand came against the second best pace attack in the tournament.

The second best pace attack that went for 359-2 at finals?? Oh plzzz.. We all know our pace bowling attack has always been below the mark.
 
Pointing also made some runs in that Symonds match, dint he?

What has that to do with the fact that Symonds was the man who totally turned that match coming to bat at 86-4 and took his team to a total of 310?

Even Gilly got some runs in that 2003 WC final before Ponting came and exploited that.
 
The second best pace attack that went for 359-2 at finals?? Oh plzzz.. We all know our pace bowling attack has always been below the mark.

Facing an ATG Aussie team led to the choke, so what? The part I am highlighting is your attempt to glorify Symond's inning tad too much by naming Wasim, Waqar and Akhtar as the bowlers he faced. If you were old enough to remember that WC, you would realize that Wasim and Waqar were trundling at a pace slower than Srinath throughout the tournament, and Akhtar too was as wayward as Wahab Riaz.
 
Very difficult to choose between the two and i have no problem if symonds is considered a better player because he doesnt have weekness against pace bowling and against slinners both are mediocre. In fielding yuvi regressed while symonds was a brilliant fielder in his entire career
 
Symonds was more reliable

Yuvi had more charisma
 
Difficult to choose but yuvi will be more helpful... Both are amazing fielders and batsman... Both are helpful part timers...
 
Two of the most effortless strikers of the ball. I remember Symonds once, with a very low backlift played just a forward push against Harbhajan and ball went to the top tier. That guy was scary and I would probably pick him among the two.

But even before those tournament winning performances, from around 05-07, Yuvraj exudes that aura and assurance which makes you feel that you can only win the game if you get him out early. There was a two match series between India and Pakistan in Abu Dhabi in 05-06 and Rana Naved got Yuvi out early and the team celebrated like they have already won the match. I found him more intimidating player during that period as compared to 2011.
 
Yuvraj is a very good player but Symonds is a certified ATG. Better batsman, bowler and fielder than Yuvraj. Also he could bowl medium pace as well as off spin. His combined utility value is what made that Australian side so unstoppable.
 
Symonds had the greater potential, but Yuvraj achieved more, especially in terms of carrying his team.

Both 2007 and 2011 tournaments that India won, were on the back of heroics from Yuvraj. Symonds did have a good WC in 2003, but his importance to the team during those wins were not as much as Yuvi's.
 
This is one of those real tough picks, if you pick Yuvraj then the next day you may have to change it to Symonds and it goes on and on... Talent wise they were equal with Symonds having a better technique, destructive ability is about the same, Yuvi at his peak is the only batsmen I have seen that had the ability to hit any bowler, any ball for SIX. Symonds was always a good athlete and a great fielder, Yuvraj slowed down as he aged but was a great fielder when he started off. Yuvy was so elegant and a treat to watch while Symonds was not, overall I have to rate them as equal.......
 
No disrespect to Yuvraj but I think Symonds was beast in ODIs....Strike rate above 90+ in early 2000s is very rare achievement plus he is averaging near 40...Also was much better bowler and fielder than Yuvraj
 
Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib were just names in that tournament. Bowled absolute filth throughout the WC. Ponting's knock on the other hand came against the second best pace attack in the tournament.

I am well aware of the fact that two of them, Wasim and Waqar were past their peak during the 03 WC but that doesn't makes India's dismal pace bowling attack as the second best attack of the tournament and heck its not even worth debate.

Obviously, I will highlight both the cricketers whom I am comparing a bit more because the thread is about them only.However, discarding one's achievement for putting the latter on top isnt really required as both have been quality performers for their team.
 
???

Symonds won two World Cups

You know what he meant .. By ur logic Sreeshanth also won two. Yuvraj was man of the tournament for India in those wins. That's the difference. You could count on Yuvraj regularly in clutch situations.
 
Kudos to the OP for picking these two for comparison. Very tough to pick one here.

I would rather flip a coin, and be happy with whichever player got the vote.
 
Symonds was better player , his 90 in semi was one of the best knock in knockout matches , whole Australia was struggling and Australia made 200odd runs in 48 overs , he alone scored 90 out of 120 balls
 
You know what he meant .. By ur logic Sreeshanth also won two. Yuvraj was man of the tournament for India in those wins. That's the difference. You could count on Yuvraj regularly in clutch situations.

He won one World Cup and one World T20, versus Symonds' two World Cups. Lets not start equating the formats.

The only reason Symonds didn't win man of the tournament is because his entire team was star studded. This does not mean he failed by any means in the World Cups. Who was Yuvraj's competition? Dhoni in 2007 and Sachin in 2011... that's it. The only other two genuine world class players he had as his rivals in both XIs. Who was Symonds' competition? Gilchrist, Hayden, Ponting, Hussey, Bevan, Lee, McGrath. But enough with the subjective conjecture, let's go to objective data:

Andrew Symonds in World Cups

2003:

326 runs, average 163, SR 90.55, 1 100s, 2 50s
2 wickets, average 61, SR 81, ER 4.55


Matchwinning knocks: 143* (125) Group stage v Pakistan; 91* (118) Semi final v Sri Lanka

Final performance: Did not bat, 2/7 (2)

2007:

189 runs, average 63, SR 98.43, 0 100s, 1 50s
3 wickets, average 45, SR 44, ER 6.04

Matchwinning knocks: none

Final performance: 23* (21), 1/6 (1)

What does this mean? In World Cups, Symonds is a brilliant batsman, virtually impossible to dismiss. He has two immense knocks in 2003 to his credit, while in 2007 his role was to come in the last few overs and slog. He did not get the opportunity to play big innings in 2007 because the top order was in superb form throughout the tournament. With the ball, Symonds was rarely more than a sixth bowler, but to his credit picked up three wickets in the two World Cup finals that he played, conceding just 13 runs in both and bowing just three overs.

In terms of 'clutch situations', he played in four of them: two World Cup finals and two semi finals. In one semi final he won the match with the bat. In the other semi final he was not needed to bowl and in the run chase came in to bat at 3/110 chasing just 153; and scored 18 not out to take Australia to the final by 7 wickets.

In one final he was not even needed to bat as Australia racked up a huge 2/359, in the other final he came in with 7 overs to play and scored 23 not out. In both finals, he came on to bowl as the sixth/seventh bowler and took three wickets.

So please, let's not pretend Andrew Symonds shrunk from the big stage. Point in fact, he hardly even got the opportunity to do anything in World Cup finals and semi finals, so dominant was Australia - except Port Elizabeth 2003, where the team desperately needed somebody to stand up and he single handedly hauled Australia to 212 with his 91*. That was an extremely tough wicket for batting. The next highest score in the match was Sangakkara with 39 not out from 70 balls. Symonds simply dominated that semi final in a way no other player managed to.

I'm not bothered searching statsguru for Yuvraj's World Cup record, because I know he is an inferior player to Symonds already. If you want to make your case for Yuvraj, I suggest you go to the trouble of making the comparison.
 
He won one World Cup and one World T20, versus Symonds' two World Cups. Lets not start equating the formats.

The only reason Symonds didn't win man of the tournament is because his entire team was star studded. This does not mean he failed by any means in the World Cups. Who was Yuvraj's competition? Dhoni in 2007 and Sachin in 2011... that's it. The only other two genuine world class players he had as his rivals in both XIs. Who was Symonds' competition? Gilchrist, Hayden, Ponting, Hussey, Bevan, Lee, McGrath. But enough with the subjective conjecture, let's go to objective data:

Andrew Symonds in World Cups

2003:

326 runs, average 163, SR 90.55, 1 100s, 2 50s
2 wickets, average 61, SR 81, ER 4.55


Matchwinning knocks: 143* (125) Group stage v Pakistan; 91* (118) Semi final v Sri Lanka

Final performance: Did not bat, 2/7 (2)

2007:

189 runs, average 63, SR 98.43, 0 100s, 1 50s
3 wickets, average 45, SR 44, ER 6.04

Matchwinning knocks: none

Final performance: 23* (21), 1/6 (1)

What does this mean? In World Cups, Symonds is a brilliant batsman, virtually impossible to dismiss. He has two immense knocks in 2003 to his credit, while in 2007 his role was to come in the last few overs and slog. He did not get the opportunity to play big innings in 2007 because the top order was in superb form throughout the tournament. With the ball, Symonds was rarely more than a sixth bowler, but to his credit picked up three wickets in the two World Cup finals that he played, conceding just 13 runs in both and bowing just three overs.

In terms of 'clutch situations', he played in four of them: two World Cup finals and two semi finals. In one semi final he won the match with the bat. In the other semi final he was not needed to bowl and in the run chase came in to bat at 3/110 chasing just 153; and scored 18 not out to take Australia to the final by 7 wickets.

In one final he was not even needed to bat as Australia racked up a huge 2/359, in the other final he came in with 7 overs to play and scored 23 not out. In both finals, he came on to bowl as the sixth/seventh bowler and took three wickets.

So please, let's not pretend Andrew Symonds shrunk from the big stage. Point in fact, he hardly even got the opportunity to do anything in World Cup finals and semi finals, so dominant was Australia - except Port Elizabeth 2003, where the team desperately needed somebody to stand up and he single handedly hauled Australia to 212 with his 91*. That was an extremely tough wicket for batting. The next highest score in the match was Sangakkara with 39 not out from 70 balls. Symonds simply dominated that semi final in a way no other player managed to.

I'm not bothered searching statsguru for Yuvraj's World Cup record, because I know he is an inferior player to Symonds already. If you want to make your case for Yuvraj, I suggest you go to the trouble of making the comparison.

Dude why are you so aggressive man !! I don't have the talent to dig up stats , I just go with my knowledge of following cricket for 21 years. By that if I am to choose anyone in clutch situations I would choose Yuvraj. That doesn't mean Symonds was bad. I am just comparing them. In the 2 world cups that both won , Yuvraj had more role in winning than Symonds. Again that doesn't mean Symonds did nothing.

Eventually these are all opinions and intangible. I completely respect your opinion but lets just amicably agree to disagree.
 
I will take Symonds over Yuvraj.

In 5+ teams tournaments:
Symonds averages 76 at 95 SR
Yuvraj averages 44 at 88 SR

Even in the 2 world cups they played together, Symonds comfortably beats Yuvraj:
2003: Symonds 163@90, Yuvraj: 34 @85
2007: Symonds 63@98, Yuvraj: 45@117

Symonds is one of the most destructive batsmen I have ever watched in my lifetime. I will even pick him in my all time ODI XI.
 
He did not single handedly won them. Yuvraj was major contributor.

India won the semi-final in 2011 due to Tendulkar and Pakistan's worst fielding. In the final, it was Dhoni and Gambhir who chased down the total.
 
Yuvraj was a great striker but Symonds was a freak man. I don't think I'll take any lower/middle order striker over him.
 
India won the semi-final in 2011 due to Tendulkar and Pakistan's worst fielding. In the final, it was Dhoni and Gambhir who chased down the total.
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Let's take the knockout stages of 2011 world cup

QF v Australia : 10-0-44-2 , wickets of top order batsmen Hadddin and Clarke . 57 * in the chase when India was in trouble with RRR on the up.

SF v Pakistan : 0 while batting first . While Pakistan was chasing and was in good position ,he dismissed 2 top order batsmen ; Asad Shafiq and Younis Khan . And that too in dew conditions
Final figure : 10-0-57-2

F v Sri Lanka : During Sri Lanka first innings he dismissed a set Sangakkara and Samaraweera ,both top order batsmen. 10-0-49-2. During chase 21* when there was still 50 odd more runs to score in a world cup final chase.

I haven't considered initial stage matches where he had rescued India with both bat and ball. Also not considering T20 world cup .
 
India won the semi-final in 2011 due to Tendulkar and Pakistan's worst fielding. In the final, it was Dhoni and Gambhir who chased down the total.

Actually what I meant is explained above by the other poster.


Honestly I rate Symonds over yuvraj but do understand when someone else rates yuvraj over Symonds due to his world cup clutch performances. Afterall world cup performances are given extreme importance here in pp.I am surprised papers are willing to not take it into consideration.
 
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Let's take the knockout stages of 2011 world cup

QF v Australia : 10-0-44-2 , wickets of top order batsmen Hadddin and Clarke . 57 * in the chase when India was in trouble with RRR on the up.

SF v Pakistan : 0 while batting first . While Pakistan was chasing and was in good position ,he dismissed 2 top order batsmen ; Asad Shafiq and Younis Khan . And that too in dew conditions
Final figure : 10-0-57-2

F v Sri Lanka : During Sri Lanka first innings he dismissed a set Sangakkara and Samaraweera ,both top order batsmen. 10-0-49-2. During chase 21* when there was still 50 odd more runs to score in a world cup final chase.

I haven't considered initial stage matches where he had rescued India with both bat and ball. Also not considering T20 world cup .

Do not really rate bowling performance against Pakistan in a world cup match. Even if you bring Mohanti or Raju, they would have cleaned up Pakistani batting.
 
Do not really rate bowling performance against Pakistan in a world cup match. Even if you bring Mohanti or Raju, they would have cleaned up Pakistani batting.
They were going great guns in that match. And in those dew conditions he prized out 2 top order wickets.
 
both were good. but as a packaje i would prefer symonds. yubraj sing was hardly a all-rounder. he was a part time bowler.
 
As player both are probably inseparable. Stats wont say much. Both played crucial role in helping their country win the big one.

Yuvraj's innings in 2007 SF though was out of this world and best either of them have played in such a crucial game, in 2011 as well in all important QF, his innings came after India could have easily lost their way and exited of the CWC.

Symonds also has great knocks but he was in a team full of ATG while Yuvraj single handedly carried India in WT20 2007 and in 2011 WC though the team was much better, he chipped in big time as a bowler proving to be the most valuable player for India. So Yuvraj for me.
 
One of the best matches involving these 2, when both performed was the Ind vs Aus 2007 WT20 Semifinal.

Possibly, the T20 match with the highest quality of cricket I have watched. Yuvi was smashing Lee and other bowlers all around the park. Symonds ran out Uthuppa with an amazing throw.
That was followed by 2 great innings from Hayden and Symonds. Just as Aus were looking good for victory, Sreesanth bowled an amazing couple of overs and got Hayden out. Then Harbhajan followed it up with an unbelievable penultimate over. That was by far the best T20 match I have seen in terms of quality.
 
Yuvraj due to his longevity, his iconic role in winning a World Cup for his country, and the sheer fact that he looked effortlessly stylish in full flow. It's touch and go though and I'd understand if anyone else preferred Symonds. Personally, I'd pick Yuvraj in my team every time.
 
The argument that Yuvraj is better because he won his team a World Cup is silly because Symonds also won his team two world cups. Just because he did not get MOT award does not mean that he did not perform better than Yuvraj.

Klusener won that award in 1999 despite Warne taking 4 wickets each in semi-final and final.
 
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