But will Pakistan be able to deal with that pressure? They don't have the experience of playing in a lot of ICC tournament finals in recent times unlike India (4 since 2011, I believe).
2011 World Cup itself and now Champions Trophy 2017. Fair enough, we haven't played the 2017 CT already, but yes, they have more experience of playing ICC tournament finals than Pakistan.Lol you only played 2013 CT final and 2014 T20 final. Four???
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You said after 2011, you only played two finals after 2011 and you won one and lost one. LOL at experience of final
I said since 2011. Not after 2011, not since 2011 World Cup, since 2011. That includes the 2011 World Cup. The final that we lost was to a team that themselves have a lot of experience playing finals, so I'm not sure in what position a Pakistani would be to laugh at that when their team doesn't even reach that stage very often let alone win from there.You said after 2011, you only played two finals after 2011 and you won one and lost one. LOL at experience of final
A lot worse was being said about the semi-final which was actually a complete mismatch. England had the edge over India in all nine positions of their batting order and all of them had had a hit in the middle in this competition. Racked up 300s for fun and destroyed Australia while chasing 280 I believe. India is entirely dependant on their top-order, who are due a failure aswell by the way. England's bowling attack is also better on paper than the Indians.
The difference is unlike Cardiff, the Oval is a batting paradise with almost no help for the bowlers, which means it's going to be a battle of the two batting units. Pakistan's best chance for success certainly would be to dismiss India's top 3 out for cheap. If they don't do that, it's very difficult to see them win regardless of if they're batting first or chasing.
To be honest a lot is being made of the pitch at Cardiff. It wasn't a raging turner or a really slow wicket. The ball was gripping JUST enough. Look at Bairstow's strokeplay in the initial overs to gauge the wicket. Look at Zaman's strokeplay later on aswell. Pakistani bowling (and surprisingly fielding) was exceptional in every sense of the word.
Cardiff had slower wickets with the ball gripping. Pakistan themselves had a tough time chasing 240 odd against Sri Lanka there. Oval has a more true bounce. Pakistan are also yet to play a match there in this tournament.
No chance like vs. South Africa and England
He also missed out that England have no experience playing icc knock out games. That clearly showed in that game.
England were the finalists of the last ICC event.
Indians shooting from the hip as usual.
England were the finalists of the last ICC event.
Indians shooting from the hip as usual.
I made that point in the original post. Can Fakhar Zaman and Junaid Khan be the difference? If they're to set up a total or chase down a target in excess of 300, they'll need more than a 40 or 50 from Fakhar Zaman. Junaid Khan will be useful simply due to the fact that he's not Wahab. Having said that, India made Hassan Ali look ordinary and Junaid didn't look particularly threatening in the last Champions Trophy against India. What Pakistan should be wary of is the fact that Kohli seems to have found his touch now; in the group stage match against Pakistan, he scratched his way to about 40-odd until he launched an assault in the death overs. So if they get another strong start, they will look to capitalize on it more in the middle overs.IND didn't play this version of PAK. The team didn't have Zaman, Junaid Khan, and potentially Raees/Fahim. That's a significant difference.
PAK has greater momentum. IND did what it was supposed to do. An underdog going through to the final will always lift its morale compared to a team that did its job.
As for the pressure of an ICC final, I was comparing it to what IND faces in group matches. PAK players tend to take pressure in all situations so it won't be any different here.
England went to India and scored in excess of 350 twice I believe on what you call cricket pitches yeah? In their own conditions, they are another level, ask any Australian. Sorry but Indian batting is not a patch on England's right now. You take out Dhawan, Sharma and Kohli, or even two out of the three and you are left with batsmen with not much time in the middle. Then, as an Indian fan, you pray the opposition has an absolute atrocious day in the field where Yuvraj either gets dropped or survives a run out for him to make a significant contribution. Roy, Hales, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler, Moeen is inferior to Sharma, Dhawan, Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Jadav, Pandya? Don't waste my time with such rubbish posts next time, thanks.
Statistically Kumar would be lucky to make the West Indies attack, he's done okay so far in this tournament hasn't he?
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If you don't want to go by stats, how did you come up with conclusion that England batsmen are far better than indian batsmen? England even ranked lower than India and lost the bilateral series as well.
Way to miss the point regarding Kumar, khair it doesn't surprise me since your cheerleading skirt and the pom poms are a massive distraction in getting anything through.
Which is why I said it'll be pressure vs Pakistan on Sunday to be honest. When you know you have beaten a team with much superior skill as compared to the opponent you are going face, you feel a lot better going into the contest. England were red hot this tournament, and a victory over them would give MOST teams (including India) a massive boost. That was my point.
So if one of India's top 3 score big again, it's not because they were good but because Pakistan couldn't handle pressure?
No. Indian fans are not getting the point here. In sport, and specially in tournaments like this, momentum is a huge plus point. Pakistan has had a massive surge in momentum after beating the out-right favourites for this trophy. India has played well but they are no England. Ask any young Pakistani player in that line-up as to who they would have been more nervous to face. The kind of innings Ben Stokes played against Australia is the stuff of legends to be honest. To come up trumps against them and to beat them so convincingly, gives Pakistan a sort of comfort level with the skill-level of India. Now do you understand?
I brought up this point earlier but you didn't respond. One, in a short tournament like the Champions Trophy, there's barely enough matches to build any momentum. Second, you said momentum of that sort boosts the morale of an underdog team like Pakistan. Take a look back at the ICC tournament finals of the past decade or so and you'll find the favourites have ended up on the winning side more often than not. At the end of the day, it's a battle of skill. There's no history of underdog teams with great momentum going on to win the title. That's probably you using the 1992 World Cup as a template for success.
Thing is, Sharma and Dhawan were sedate even in the previous match and Pakistani fans were feeling at ease then too because they were not scoring at a brisk rate. But they stayed at the crease and laid the foundation for the assault at the end. Even considering that they didn't have Aamir and had Wahab instead at the death, Pakistan weren't close to a match with the bat, losing by 124 runs in an already rain-curtailed game. Is Pakistan capable of scoring (whether batting first or second) what would be considered a par total for Indian batsmen?
As I said, Pakistan has a very different bowling combination now as compared to the first game. India is not the first side to smash a Pakistan side with Wahab Riaz in it. West Indies did exactly the same thing a month ago, so not sure why you guys are getting giddy with that result. I have explained in various threads why Wahab Riaz is detrimental to the LOI team, but yeah India (just like Australia and West Indies this year) took full toll and decimated the bowling attack. The tactics will be completely different so it remains to be seen how India pits against this Pakistan bowling line-up, who by the way have had every single pundit gushing with praise mashaAllah.
So you're not using the 1992 World Cup as a template but rather the 2009 World T20, the only ICC tournament Pakistan has won in the last 25 years. That is some history to go by, as opposed to the many times underdog teams have gone through to the finals building a great deal of momentum before losing to the favourites.
