Anti-India protests erupt in held Kashmir as Indian troops kill 17

[waqar goraya]

At least 20 people have lost their lives in Indian Kashmir in some of the fiercest fightings this year in the restive Himalayan region, police said on Sunday as authorities braced for more violence.

A total of three Indian soldiers and 13 suspected militants died in several clashes south of Srinagar, the main city of the region.

Besides, four civilians were also killed and dozens injured when police opened fire on thousands of demonstrators who poured onto the streets, throwing stones and chanting slogans against the Indian rule.

There were also demonstrations in Srinagar, where authorities ordered all schools shut on Monday as rebel groups called for protests.


Seven of the alleged militants were killed along with two soldiers in a protracted shootout in the village of Dragad, where helicopters were seen swooping low over the battle zone.

Kashmiris have been fighting for decades for independence or for a merger with Pakistan. Last year was the deadliest of this decade in the region, with more than 200 alleged militants killed in a counter-insurgency offensive dubbed “Operation All Out”.

That upsurge in violence has escalated in 2018, with 51 alleged militants already killed this year.

The weekend clashes were the worst since a three-day skirmish in the forests of northern Kashmir last month left ten dead ─ five unidentified militants and five government forces, according to officials.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1398903/anti-india-protests-erupt-in-held-kashmir-as-indian-troops-kill-17

 

[KingKhanWC]

RIP to the civilians who were murdered by Indian security forces.

India seems to stupid to understand if you oppress a population who is already against you , they will continue to fight not lie down in front of you.

 

[moghul]

Kashmiris Muslims provide shooting practice for Indian army and Muslims in rest of the India remain silence, shame on them.

 

[Thomaskutty]

It's sad that four civilians lost their lives. But they weren't murdered. If you don't want to get shot , don't throw stones at the police or army .. as simple as that.

 

[Syed1]

Inna lillahi wa inna illahi raji'oon

 

[www787]

It's sad that four civilians lost their lives. But they weren't murdered. If you don't want to get shot , don't throw stones at the police or army .. as simple as that.

You’d still be working in a farm picking spice for your master had your ancestors didn’t threw stones at their oppressors. They were lucky one, if they weren’t then you wouldn’t have typed up that nonsense.

 

[jeetu]

I'll reserve my sympathy for 3 Army Jawans who died eliminating these terrorists.

 

[Sachin136]

Kashmiris Muslims provide shooting practice for Indian army and Muslims in rest of the India remain silence, shame on them.

Of course, because Indian soldiers aren't supposed to be shooting practice for these militants either. If you go and attack protective forces anywhere in the world, you will get shot down.

 

[troodon]

You’d still beworking in a farm picking spice for your master had your ancestors didn’t threw stones at their oppressors. They were lucky one, if they weren’t then you wouldn’t have typed up that nonsense.

Who was picking spices? Who was the master?

Terrorists were killed by army and 3 soldiers lost their lives. Then the brainwashed civilians come out and throw stones at army and attack them. Soldiers retaliate and 4 civilians are killed.

Blame should go on civilians who seem to be on a steady diet of hate India soup.

Do not throw stones at army and attack them. It’s a lesson all civilians must learn irrespective of which state the civilians come from.

 

[troodon]

Of course, because Indian soldiers aren't supposed to be shooting practice for these militants either. If you go and attack protective forces anywhere in the world, you will get shot down.

It’s always indian army’s fault. Those terrorists were innocent and nanha munna bacha types.

 

[Hitman]

I'll reserve my sympathy for 3 Army Jawans who died eliminating these terrorists.

Same here. RIP to those martyrs.

 

[Saeed]

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

 

[PakLFC]

Indian terrorist soldiers got what they deserved. No sympathy for oppressors and baby killers.

 

[Madplayer]

Rest in peace to all innocents and those who died fighting for Justice.

 

[English August]

Indian terrorist soldiers got what they deserved. No sympathy for oppressors and baby killers.

You should be ashamed of name-calling one of the bravest and most professional armies in the world.

They are only doing their duty and are deployed in the area because terrorists are hell bent on creating trouble.

 

[Napa]

Indian terrorist soldiers got what they deserved. No sympathy for oppressors and baby killers.

Whichever side loses lives, it is a tragedy for the families. Having others also die is no consolation.

 

[English August]

Whichever side loses lives, it is a tragedy for the families.

Hard to have sympathy for families that send their own children to throw stones at security personnel. Families are supposed to send their kids to school, not instigate violence against others. Shameful really.

 

[Napa]

Hard to have sympathy for families that send their own children to throw stones at security personnel. Families are supposed to send their kids to school, not instigate violence against others. Shameful really.

As Kashmiris have equal democratic rights as other Indians (and even more if you take into account Article 370), I do not have sympathy for their struggle. Though misguided, they however do believe they are fighting for a noble cause, and every death is a tragedy.

 

[PakLFC]

You should be ashamed of name-calling one of the bravest and most professional armies in the world.

They are only doing their duty and are deployed in the area because terrorists are hell bent on creating trouble.

Indian army is nothing! They can only kill innocent people like we are seeing. Duty of the army is never to kill civilians. Another thing, we have all seen how your army has no food and only propagates evil everywhere. I do not respect it an iota.

 

[PakLFC]

Whichever side loses lives, it is a tragedy for the families. Having others also die is no consolation.

I do not hate the Indian army for being Indian's. I hate them for being oppressors and yes killer's of civilians. The civilians are just demanding the right to decide their own future, that's all.

 

[RainMan_]

Apparently there r hundreds of thousands of kashmiris who call themselves Indians and want kashmir to remain with india.

Therefore these protesters who want to be a part of Pakistan should better migrate.

 

[Waseem]

RIP innocent victims fighting for their rights

I wonder if Indians still tell their public that ALL Kashmiris love India except small minority sponsored by Pakistan?

 

[gkb101277867]

RIP innocent victims fighting for their rights

I wonder if Indians still tell their public that ALL Kashmiris love India except small minority sponsored by Pakistan?

Nah they don't. That's what the Pakistani army tells Pakistanis ...that all kashmiris love them

 

[Varun]

RIP innocent victims fighting for their rights

I wonder if Indians still tell their public that ALL Kashmiris love India except small minority sponsored by Pakistan?

Most Kashmiris don't want to be part of India bar a few exceptions. Any Indian who thinks otherwise better deal with it.

 

[Varun]

I suppose the only reason we hold on to Kashmir is because it is of strategic value - bordering Pakistan and China, shielding peaceful Himachal and Uttarakhand, and it is the source of many rivers as well.

Kashmiris should deal with it as well.

 

[Runner Up]

Terrorists carrying stones?

 

[aniket1911]

RIP to those 3 brave Indian army men. May god grant them highest of the heaven.

 

[Napa]

The civilians are just demanding the right to decide their own future, that's all.

Civilians do not have any such right. Witness the failed secessionist movements of the Sindhis, Balochs, Manipuris, Nagas, Sikhs, Xiangs etc. On top of that India is a democracy, so no particular group can say they do not have representation in the government.

 

[Napa]

I suppose the only reason we hold on to Kashmir is because it is of strategic value - bordering Pakistan and China, shielding peaceful Himachal and Uttarakhand, and it is the source of many rivers as well.

Kashmiris should deal with it as well.

There are different reasons why we hold on to Kashmir.

1) We do not recognize that religion is a valid reason for secession.

2) We have invested many lives in keeping Kashmir part of India.

3) If Kashmir goes, it will provide a boost to other secessionist movements. India is a diverse country with 22 major languages. The governing majority wants to keep the country in one piece.

 

[MenInG]

Something clearly wrong when loss of life brings no sympathy but empty patriotic slogans

 

[MenInG]

MUZAFFARABAD: Kashmiri leaders across the Line of Control (LoC) on Monday rapped the recent killing of 20 civilians in Indian-Occupied Kashmir (IOK) and said region-wide demonstrations will be organised to condemn the carnage.

20 people were killed in a Sunday search conducted by Indian forces in Shopian district of the restive region. Over 100 were injured in the operation.

Indian troops kill at least 20 youths during search operations in occupied Kashmir

Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) Education Minister Iftikhar Gilani said the government will observe a ‘condemnation day’ to raise international awareness about the Kashmir dispute which had compromised peace in South Asia.”Today’s anti-India protests are being organised to show the people of IOK that we stand shoulder-to-shoulder with them in their struggle for freedom,” Gilani said. He said demonstrations against the recent killings will be held across all ten district headquarters of AJK.

“We appeal to the international community pressure India into giving access to fact finding missions of the United Nations (UN), European Union (EU),” All-Parties Hurriyat Conference (APHC) leader Altaf Bhat said. He also urged the UN secretary general to appoint a special representative for IOK. “It is time for the people of AJK and Pakistan to take to the streets against Indian state terrorism, suppression and continuous killing of innocent Kashmiris,” he added.

Kashmir Council member Younas Mir termed the killing of 20 Kashmiris an “act of state terrorism” saying global rights organisations should raise the issue with the Indian government. “It was so painful to see protesting Kashmiris being attacked by Indian forces. It is only in IOK where Indian forces kill civilians in staged encounters and use force to quell resistance,” Mir added. On April 2, Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) workers will stage AJK-wide demonstrations against the recent killings on the instructions of chairman Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, he added.

Indian army ambush kills four in Kashmir

Abdul Majid Khan of the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf ( PTI) condemned the carnage saying sacrifices rendered by IOK people will never go in vain. Khan said the time was ripe to bring international attention to rights violations in the disputed territory

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1675167/1-ajk-wide-protests-held-kashmir-carnage/

 

[akki]

RIP to 3 brave soldiers though .

 

[English August]

Indian army is nothing! They can only kill innocent people like we are seeing. Duty of the army is never to kill civilians. Another thing, we have all seen how your army has no food and only propagates evil everywhere. I do not respect it an iota.

These so called civilians aren't really that innocent when they come out and throw stones at the security personnel. If they stayed home and went about their lives like other people do, no one's going to touch them.

Army didn't kill innocent people. They killed terrorists, which is their job.

 

[R3verse Swing]

RIP.

Got to laugh at the so called *best* army in the world. Responding to stones with bullets. Cowards.

 

[English August]

RIP.

Got to laugh at the so called *best* army in the world. Responding to stones with bullets. Cowards.

Strawman argument. No one called it the best.

Armed forces always have to deploy disproportionate response in these situations. They care about their jawans' lives. Terrorists don't care about their lives.

Jawans' lives are precious.

 

[English August]

Amusing to see Pakistani keyboard warriors shedding crocodile tears for these so-called 'innocent civilians'. If you really cared about these people, you'd invite them home, offer to share your house with them, and get them settled in your jannat.

Instead you're letting them throw stones at Indian Army and you're watching from the sidelines, enjoying your lives. No one needs 'supporters' like you!

 

[Bhaijaan]

Ashamed to belong to a nation that doesn't hesitate in pointing its guns at little children in Kashmir for no serious reasons but does not take any action at all against rioters who kill, rape, destroy public property worth billions of dollars across India for their unconstitutional and unreal demands.

No pellet guns were fired at Jaat hindu rioters in Haryana 2 years ago when they destroyed shops of Punjabis and raped women on GT road.

No bullets were fired at Dalit protestors who put the nation to standstill today.

Kashmiris, Assamese remain the only victim of Indian army's prejudice.

How long before some shameless posters come here to defend this. Pathetic. I am Indian and i 101% condemn this.

 

[OoparCut]

Ashamed to belong to a nation that doesn't hesitate in pointing its guns at little children in Kashmir for no serious reasons but does not take any action at all against rioters who kill, rape, destroy public property worth billions of dollars across India for their unconstitutional and unreal demands.

No pellet guns were fired at Jaat hindu rioters in Haryana 2 years ago when they destroyed shops of Punjabis and raped women on GT road.

No bullets were fired at Dalit protestors who put the nation to standstill today.

Kashmiris, Assamese remain the only victim of Indian army's prejudice.

How long before some shameless posters come here to defend this. Pathetic. I am Indian and i 101% condemn this.

This whataboutism may get you some appreciation from uninformed Pakistanis and you are free to indulge yourself. But you can't compare apples to rocks, forget about oranges. There is a whole world of difference in the amount of force deployed by local police, as opposed to the military who have to deal with terrorist equipped with grenades and machine guns. Nobody would ever want to defend rioters and gangsters, or defend excessive force used by military against civilians.

But stick to the facts instead of collecting false appreciation based on emotional **. That's what an honest person would do anyway.

 

[www787]

This whataboutism may get you some appreciation from uninformed Pakistanis and you are free to indulge yourself. But you can't compare apples to rocks, forget about oranges. There is a whole world of difference in the amount of force deployed by local police, as opposed to the military who have to deal with terrorist equipped with grenades and machine guns. Nobody would ever want to defend rioters and gangsters, or defend excessive force used by military against civilians.

But stick to the facts instead of collecting false appreciation based on emotional **. That's what an honest person would do anyway.

The so called 'uninformed" Pakistani and a person with pea size brain would understand rocks and bullet aren't equal force. Those protesting with rocks are protesting an oppression.

But go ahead with your informed post.

 

[www787]

Amusing to see Pakistani keyboard warriors shedding crocodile tears for these so-called 'innocent civilians'. If you really cared about these people, you'd invite them home, offer to share your house with them, and get them settled in your jannat.

Instead you're letting them throw stones at Indian Army and you're watching from the sidelines, enjoying your lives. No one needs 'supporters' like you!

They are invited anytime but they all want to return to their home where they aren't oppressed.

You know what I send you an invitation too. You can join and listen to them and understand how they are oppressed.

 

[OoparCut]

The so called 'uninformed" Pakistani and a person with pea size brain would understand rocks and bullet aren't equal force. Those protesting with rocks are protesting an oppression.

But go ahead with your informed post.

So the Indian soldiers who died in the recent tragedy did so because of injuries caused by rocks huh?


But lets stick to the narrative where the Indian army are the evil "bad guys" with guns, while the innocent Kashmiris are "fighting oppression" with rocks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Rest in Peace the 3 brave Indian soldiers. The country is indebted to them.

13 terrorists neutralised.

 

[www787]

So the Indian soldiers who died in the recent tragedy did so because of injuries caused by rocks huh?


But lets stick to the narrative where the Indian army are the evil "bad guys" with guns, while the innocent Kashmiris are "fighting oppression" with rocks.

Were the protestors throwing bullet or rocks ? Indian army retaliating to that with live ammunition will always make them look like an oppressive force. It’s not rocket science to understand this simple concept.

Had Indian army replied to the protest with proportional force not many could have criticized them. It’s just that simple.

Throwing rocks does not equal live bullets fired from guns.

 

[Poutine]

Apparently there r hundreds of thousands of kashmiris who call themselves Indians and want kashmir to remain with india.

Therefore these protesters who want to be a part of Pakistan should better migrate.

Do you actually believe that?

 

[akki]

Were the protestors throwing bullet or rocks ? Indian army retaliating to that with live ammunition will always make them look like an oppressive force. It’s not rocket science to understand this simple concept.

Had Indian army replied to the protest with proportional force not many could have criticized them. It’s just that simple.

Throwing rocks does not equal live bullets fired from guns.

You guys dnt even know what happened in kashmir since last 2 days. Indian army raid areas where terrorists were hiding and known to have some meeting. Then during encounter 4 civilians and other terrorists were killed. India media didnt say only terrorists were killed. 4 kashmiri civilians and 3 army men lost their lives as well.
Half knowledge is very dangerous thing.

 

[www787]

You guys dnt even know what happened in kashmir since last 2 days. Indian army raid areas where terrorists were hiding and known to have some meeting. Then during encounter 4 civilians and other terrorists were killed. India media didnt say only terrorists were killed. 4 kashmiri civilians and 3 army men lost their lives as well.
Half knowledge is very dangerous thing.

Exactly, half knowledge is very dangerous. As by reading many posts from Indian, one can easily see that most Indian conveniently ignore the knowledge of Kashmiri being oppressed by Indian army.

 

[English August]

They are invited anytime but they all want to return to their home where they aren't oppressed.

You know what I send you an invitation too. You can join and listen to them and understand how they are oppressed.

Are you telling me that some people actually showed up at your house, stayed for some time, and then expressed a wish to go back? Is that what you're saying?

Either you're making stuff up (most likely) or looks like you didn't take good care of your guests if they preferred to return to Indian "occupied" Kashmir than spend time with you.

What is it?

 

[waqar goraya]

Kashmiris consider India an occupying power.
This is not a matter of killing few secessionists and freedom fighters like Sikh movement of the past. In fact, their animosity towards India has only increased in recent years.

There is no security related solution to this issue which is inherently political.

 

[Hornbill]

Six hours to the end: When parents, Kashmir cops tried to get Hizbul militant Rauf Khanday to surrender

DIALGAM: It was a six-hour denouement that ended in a hail of bullets -- and a young man, barely out of his teens, dead inside a house surrounded by security personnel while his parents who had tried to talk him into surrendering waited nearby for news of the inevitable.

Rauf Khanday, believed to be a Hizbul Mujahideen militant, was killed in the pre-dawn darkness of Sunday at Dialgam village in south Kashmir's Anantnag district.

But he was not just another statistic, said officials present at the spot as the hours dragged on and he showed no signs of surrendering.

Khanday, who had just passed his first year of graduation, was one of the two men holed up in a house in the village.

The beginning of his end started around 11 pm on Saturday when the police wireless buzzed.

It was an intercept about the presence of two militants inside a house.

After ascertaining the identity of the militants, the house was cordoned off by security personnel and they were asked to surrender, said an official.

One of the militants, whose identity has not been disclosed, did so immediately leaving young Khanday inside, cut off from the rest of the world.

Piecing together Khanday's last hours, officials recounted that a phone was passed on to Khanday so a conversation could begin.

Then followed the hours of trying to talk to him, reason with him and even bringing in his parents so they could convince him to surrender.

"It is always a tough call. I was pretty sure that the parents will be able to convince Khanday and he will come out and surrender. But destiny willed it otherwise," said Senior Superintendent of Police, Anantnag, Altaf Ahmed Khan.

"I tried everything that is possible to make him surrender. But every effort of mine was stonewalled by the young boy, who had been brainwashed," he said.

Asked what had transpired, Khan, who has earlier headed districts like Shopian and Sopore, said he spoke to Khanday to understand his mental frame of mind and found he had interpreted various religious books wrongly.

"I narrated verses from Holy Quran and advised him that whatever he was doing was against the teachings of Islam. The conversation continued for over 30 minutes during which Khanday got agitated and abusive. But I ignored all this because my intention was to save him from getting killed," Khan recalled.

Listening to the entire conversation were the commanders outside, their eyes fixed on the house where Khanday was hiding, said an official.

Around 1 am on Sunday, Khanday said he wanted to speak to his mother for which permission was granted.

"I sent a police team to his native place seven kilometres away. Security personnel escorted his father Bashid Ahmed Khandey and mother to the site so that they could persuade him to come out and surrender," said Khan.

"We were so desperate to save his life that we all agreed to his mother's request to take him home if he surrenders," he added.

Both parents went inside to speak to their son, raising hopes that there might not be any bloodshed.

They came out after half-an-hour, despair writ large on their face.

"I missed a heartbeat. A chill ran down my spine as we had to perform our final job now and fight him out," Khan said.

A commander present at the encounter site apologised to the parents, who knew the fate awaiting their son.

"I sent the parents to my place as they were quite nervous, especially the mother. I refused to give up," said Khan. It was past 3 am now and Khan made yet another bid to engage with Khanday.

He asked a small team to see if there could be a backdoor entry into the house so security personnel could overpower him.

Khan said Khanday fired at him when told that he was entering the house unarmed and would only engage in talks with him.

Following this, security personnel began the final onslaught, killing Khanday.

"I tried my best but all efforts failed," Khan said in a choked voice.

Director General of Police S P Vaid made a special mention about Khan's efforts to save Khanday during a press conference on the three counter-insurgency operations in the valley that left 13 militants, three Army jawans and four civilians dead yesterday.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.ne...l-militant-rauf-khanday-to-surren-1796012.amp

 

[akki]

Six hours to the end: When parents, Kashmir cops tried to get Hizbul militant Rauf Khanday to surrender

DIALGAM: It was a six-hour denouement that ended in a hail of bullets -- and a young man, barely out of his teens, dead inside a house surrounded by security personnel while his parents who had tried to talk him into surrendering waited nearby for news of the inevitable.

Rauf Khanday, believed to be a Hizbul Mujahideen militant, was killed in the pre-dawn darkness of Sunday at Dialgam village in south Kashmir's Anantnag district.

But he was not just another statistic, said officials present at the spot as the hours dragged on and he showed no signs of surrendering.

Khanday, who had just passed his first year of graduation, was one of the two men holed up in a house in the village.

The beginning of his end started around 11 pm on Saturday when the police wireless buzzed.

It was an intercept about the presence of two militants inside a house.

After ascertaining the identity of the militants, the house was cordoned off by security personnel and they were asked to surrender, said an official.

One of the militants, whose identity has not been disclosed, did so immediately leaving young Khanday inside, cut off from the rest of the world.

Piecing together Khanday's last hours, officials recounted that a phone was passed on to Khanday so a conversation could begin.

Then followed the hours of trying to talk to him, reason with him and even bringing in his parents so they could convince him to surrender.

"It is always a tough call. I was pretty sure that the parents will be able to convince Khanday and he will come out and surrender. But destiny willed it otherwise," said Senior Superintendent of Police, Anantnag, Altaf Ahmed Khan.

"I tried everything that is possible to make him surrender. But every effort of mine was stonewalled by the young boy, who had been brainwashed," he said.

Asked what had transpired, Khan, who has earlier headed districts like Shopian and Sopore, said he spoke to Khanday to understand his mental frame of mind and found he had interpreted various religious books wrongly.

"I narrated verses from Holy Quran and advised him that whatever he was doing was against the teachings of Islam. The conversation continued for over 30 minutes during which Khanday got agitated and abusive. But I ignored all this because my intention was to save him from getting killed," Khan recalled.

Listening to the entire conversation were the commanders outside, their eyes fixed on the house where Khanday was hiding, said an official.

Around 1 am on Sunday, Khanday said he wanted to speak to his mother for which permission was granted.

"I sent a police team to his native place seven kilometres away. Security personnel escorted his father Bashid Ahmed Khandey and mother to the site so that they could persuade him to come out and surrender," said Khan.

"We were so desperate to save his life that we all agreed to his mother's request to take him home if he surrenders," he added.

Both parents went inside to speak to their son, raising hopes that there might not be any bloodshed.

They came out after half-an-hour, despair writ large on their face.

"I missed a heartbeat. A chill ran down my spine as we had to perform our final job now and fight him out," Khan said.

A commander present at the encounter site apologised to the parents, who knew the fate awaiting their son.

"I sent the parents to my place as they were quite nervous, especially the mother. I refused to give up," said Khan. It was past 3 am now and Khan made yet another bid to engage with Khanday.

He asked a small team to see if there could be a backdoor entry into the house so security personnel could overpower him.

Khan said Khanday fired at him when told that he was entering the house unarmed and would only engage in talks with him.

Following this, security personnel began the final onslaught, killing Khanday.

"I tried my best but all efforts failed," Khan said in a choked voice.

Director General of Police S P Vaid made a special mention about Khan's efforts to save Khanday during a press conference on the three counter-insurgency operations in the valley that left 13 militants, three Army jawans and four civilians dead yesterday.

https://www.google.co.in/amp/www.ne...l-militant-rauf-khanday-to-surren-1796012.amp

No damn sympathy. Why to talk and engage so much ? Just shoot to kill the terorists. Some people take it as a weakness and call indian army so called cowards.

 

[PakLFC]

Civilians do not have any such right. Witness the failed secessionist movements of the Sindhis, Balochs, Manipuris, Nagas, Sikhs, Xiangs etc. On top of that India is a democracy, so no particular group can say they do not have representation in the government.

Of course they have the right to do so in a democracy. The movements you mentioned in Pak are of a very few people nonetheless they also have the right to protest if feel hard done by. If protesting is a crime then Gandhi had no right to demand independence either.

 

[PakLFC]

These so called civilians aren't really that innocent when they come out and throw stones at the security personnel. If they stayed home and went about their lives like other people do, no one's going to touch them.

Army didn't kill innocent people. They killed terrorists, which is their job.

Not true. Kashmris want no part of India and are not interested in talking. They turn to militancy when your soldiers kill them hence the cycle of violence continues. Of course your army has killed thousands of Kashmiri innocents. What world do you live in? The people are defending themselves from an occupational force. Blaming Pakistan will achieve nothing for India when the stone throwers are from within the valley.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Civilians do not have any such right. Witness the failed secessionist movements of the Sindhis, Balochs, Manipuris, Nagas, Sikhs, Xiangs etc. On top of that India is a democracy, so no particular group can say they do not have representation in the government.

Why stop there? The tibetans,the lankan tamils,the irish and the latest the catalans. See how the europeans reacted to the Catalan issue. There is a reason why "Kashmir Issue" has no takers world wide.

 

[Sachin136]

Something clearly wrong when loss of life brings no sympathy but empty patriotic slogans

I am very surprised by some of the comments here. God forbid if tomorrow there is some terrorist incident in Pakistan, and Indian posters start saying prayers for the suicide bomber, will you be okay with it (and will the mods allow it)?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am very surprised by some of the comments here. God forbid if tomorrow there is some terrorist incident in Pakistan, and Indian posters start saying prayers for the suicide bomber, will you be okay with it (and will the mods allow it)?

But here your army are the terrorists.

 

[Yossarian]

Army's usually exist to fight external foes. It is normally the job of the police (and sometimes the National Guard) to maintain law and order within a country's own borders. Active deployment of a country's army within what it considers are it's own borders, against the civilian population, is a clear indication that the population is being oppressed.
In the case where the said population is demanding independence, and thus the reason for the active deployment of the army against the civilian population, it's another indication that deep down the ruling government is afraid of letting the civilian population determine it's own future because it knows the civilian population has a just cause.

 

[Yossarian]

Why stop there? The tibetans,the lankan tamils,the irish and the latest the catalans. See how the europeans reacted to the Catalan issue. There is a reason why "Kashmir Issue" has no takers world wide.

The central Spanish government sent in (special) police units. It didn't send in the Spanish Army. That should tell you how the central Spanish government perceives Catalonia (ie as an integral part of Spain) as opposed to how the central Indian government perceives Kashmir (ie not as an integral part of India but as occupied territory). Police (and sometimes National Guard) maintain internal law and order. Armies fight external foes and/or occupy foreign lands.

 

[Napa]

Of course they have the right to do so in a democracy. The movements you mentioned in Pak are of a very few people nonetheless they also have the right to protest if feel hard done by. If protesting is a crime then Gandhi had no right to demand independence either.

The obvious difference between Gandhi and the Kashmiris is that under British rule India was not a democracy whereas the same is not true for Kashmir. If you believe that it was only "very few people" in Balochistan, then go ahead and have a referendum there and see what happens. In fact, I have read enough complaining here on PP by Sindhis about the
"Punjabi cricket mafia" which leads me to believe that if there was a referendum in Sindh, it too would secede.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Kashmiri "terrorists" with stones -

Brave Indian Soldiers Beating Kashmiri Children

 

[R3verse Swing]

Speechless.

So this is how a *brave* and *professional* army act, by butchering innocent and unarmed children. Tsk Tsk.

 

[English August]

What's the point of these pictures? If your goal was show these brats as innocent bachchey, you've failed miserably. In which world does throwing stones on anyone count as peaceful? People here are trying to bring in Gandhi's name. Gandhi never threw stones on anyone, neither did he let his supporters do it.

Try again.

 

[OoparCut]

The central Spanish government sent in (special) police units. It didn't send in the Spanish Army. That should tell you how the central Spanish government perceives Catalonia (ie as an integral part of Spain) as opposed to how the central Indian government perceives Kashmir (ie not as an integral part of India but as occupied territory). Police (and sometimes National Guard) maintain internal law and order. Armies fight external foes and/or occupy foreign lands.

Because the Catalans are not being armed with AK47s and grenades by a neighboring country, are they?

Stop making conveniently false comparisons.

 

[Lonewarrior]

What's the point of these pictures? If your goal was show these brats as innocent bachchey, you've failed miserably. In which world does throwing stones on anyone count as peaceful? People here are trying to bring in Gandhi's name. Gandhi never threw stones on anyone, neither did he let his supporters do it.

Try again.

so you are trying to say that Brave indian army gt scared with stone pelting kids , so they have to kill them ?

 

[English August]

so you are trying to say that Brave indian army gt scared with stone pelting kids , so they have to kill them ?

Your faux sarcasm isn't able to hide the fact that your narrative is falling apart. You tried to show these stone-throwing brats as innocent victims. I called you out on that, so now you're crying.

Are you okay with a mob of 50 people coming to your house and throwing stones on your kids / family members? If answer to this question isn't a firm "yes", you have no leg to stand on questioning Indian army's actions. These jawans have family members too and their family expects them back home. Why should they stand there and let others stone them? Once you break the rule of engagement, everything is on the table.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Your faux sarcasm isn't able to hide the fact that your narrative is falling apart. You tried to show these stone-throwing brats as innocent victims. I called you out on that, so now you're crying.

Are you okay with a mob of 50 people coming to your house and throwing stones on your kids / family members? If answer to this question isn't a firm "yes", you have no leg to stand on questioning Indian army's actions. These jawans have family members too and their family expects them back home. Why should they stand there and let others stone them? Once you break the rule of engagement, everything is on the table.

first of all , why will a mob of 50 people come to my home to throw stones ? its mean i did something wrong to make them angry.
tell me something about your so called jawans, dont they have any other options to control the "mob". instead they choose to use bullets ? do you think a 12 yr old kid deserves the bullet in return ? YES or NO ?

 

[English August]

first of all , why will a mob of 50 people come to my home to throw stones ? its mean i did something wrong to make them angry.
tell me something about your so called jawans, dont they have any other options to control the "mob". instead they choose to use bullets ? do you think a 12 yr old kid deserves the bullet in return ? YES or NO ?

You'll get the answer the moment you're able to provide a reasonable answer to the question: what's a 12 year old doing throwing stones at anyone? Doesn't s/he have any studies to do? Help parents with housework? Water the plants? Play cricket? Watch movies?

Why not pick any of these options and throw stones instead?

 

[R3verse Swing]

It's all making sense now. When the Indian army is faced with men and guns, they run, battered and bruised. But children? My God. To even read some Indians trying to justify the vile and coward acts of the so called brave and professional army just sums up everything that is wrong with India. Justifying terrorism is one thing, but trying to justify the murder of innocent children is something else.

Though I'm left wondering how Indian military will use fighter jets and warships on innocent children.

Shocking and sickening.

 

[Thomaskutty]

You’d still be working in a farm picking spice for your master had your ancestors didn’t threw stones at their oppressors. They were lucky one, if they weren’t then you wouldn’t have typed up that nonsense.

You're correct I guess my ancestors were deprived of their rights and had to fight the oppressor aka british raj , which basic rights are the the stone throwers here fighting for .. name any ? Just one would suffice.

 

[Lonewarrior]

You'll get the answer the moment you're able to provide a reasonable answer to the question: what's a 12 year old doing throwing stones at anyone? Doesn't s/he have any studies to do? Help parents with housework? Water the plants? Play cricket? Watch movies?

Why not pick any of these options and throw stones instead?

watch the video. the kids gt beaten by your "jawans" , they were playing cricket.
becoz your so called jawans cant handle the kashmiri adults , so they try thre Ghunda gardi with kids. becoz kids are soft targets for your Brave jawans.

 

[zizour]

Jets and warships to kill civilians unfortunately is the specialty of the so called brave army on out west, who have never won a real war in their entire history.

 

[English August]

watch the video. the kids gt beaten by your "jawans" , they were playing cricket.
becoz your so called jawans cant handle the kashmiri adults , so they try thre Ghunda gardi with kids. becoz kids are soft targets for your Brave jawans.

When kids throw stones at security forces (mostly because they're instigated by their terrorism-supporting parents or perhaps because they'd paid to do by you-know-who), they're not soft targets anymore. Kids should do what kids are supposed to do. Simple.

 

[PakLFC]

The obvious difference between Gandhi and the Kashmiris is that under British rule India was not a democracy whereas the same is not true for Kashmir. If you believe that it was only "very few people" in Balochistan, then go ahead and have a referendum there and see what happens. In fact, I have read enough complaining here on PP by Sindhis about the
"Punjabi cricket mafia" which leads me to believe that if there was a referendum in Sindh, it too would secede.

But your Gandhi was all for the human conscience and against all kinds of oppression? We can have a referendum in Nagaland, Assam, Indian Punjab and Goa as well as Baluchistan and Kashmir whilst we are at it. However, the UN only considers Kashmir as disputed territory. Sindhis are right in complaining about what they do that is not to say they want independence. Many in Scotland still want independence yet accepted the majority vote, peacefully. I don't see Sindh on fire like IoK is, even Baluchistan has calmed down. I have been to Baluchistan so know the facts that they want their rights, I support them on this. Also agree that Nawaz Sharif is Punjab biased, he can not see past Lahore.

 

[Hitman]

But your Gandhi was all for the human conscience and against all kinds of oppression? We can have a referendum in Nagaland, Assam, Indian Punjab and Goa as well as Baluchistan and Kashmir whilst we are at it. However, the UN only considers Kashmir as disputed territory. Sindhis are right in complaining about what they do that is not to say they want independence. Many in Scotland still want independence yet accepted the majority vote, peacefully. I don't see Sindh on fire like IoK is, even Baluchistan has calmed down. I have been to Baluchistan so know the facts that they want their rights, I support them on this. Also agree that Nawaz Sharif is Punjab biased, he can not see past Lahore.

Please keep my state away from you list.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The central Spanish government sent in (special) police units. It didn't send in the Spanish Army. That should tell you how the central Spanish government perceives Catalonia (ie as an integral part of Spain) as opposed to how the central Indian government perceives Kashmir (ie not as an integral part of India but as occupied territory). Police (and sometimes National Guard) maintain internal law and order. Armies fight external foes and/or occupy foreign lands.

The catalans werent fighting with AK 47s Grenades etc etc. They were demanding freedom via a peaceful referendum. Even that was not allowed and the Catalan PM is on the run.

Nice try, equating terrorists with Catalan demonstrators.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Does anyone in the world believe in the Pakistani narrative? Wonder if anyone supports the LeT JeM Hizbul etc except for one nation.

 

[R3verse Swing]

The reality is one cannot reason with people who try to justify the cold blooded murder/attack of innocent children.

 

[Hitman]

Funny thing is noone apart from Pakistan even bothers mentioning Kashmir

 

[cricketjoshila]

Funny thing is noone apart from Pakistan even bothers mentioning Kashmir

No one else supports terrorist groups like LeT JeM etc.

 

[gani999]

3) If Kashmir goes, it will provide a boost to other secessionist movements. India is a diverse country with 22 major languages. The governing majority wants to keep the country in one piece.

That is **, my friend. I am shocked that Indians can be so misinformed about their own country.

It may have been true a couple of decades ago, but is certainly not true at all now.

Apart from Kashmir, we do not have any secessionist movement going on any where. Even the few spots in the Northeast like Nagaland were more a response to lack of development than any active secession. The have all been sorted out now.

That India's unity and integrity depends on Kashmir remaining with India is the most asinine argument any Indian observer can come up with.

 

[Moh@n]

which basic rights are the stone throwers here fighting for .. name any ? Just one would suffice.

Don't expect a reply to difficult questions such as this one.