"Appalling ongoing situation in Indian Occupied Kashmir" : Shahid Afridi [Gautam Gambhir tweet #3]

[WildSwing]

India lost all 4 attempts.

The wars are detailed on the Internet.

Had India won, just one, India would be controlling 100% of Kashmir, alas, India does not, regardless of what Indian terrorist textbooks teach you.

) hahaha wriggling out again because you can't find anything , don't spout nonsense if you can't back it up, go back to school or hire a better history teacher, you can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich but it won't change the facts, you'll keep getting pwnd if you keep spouting lies

 

[blue_champion]

) hahaha wriggling out again because you can't find anything , don't spout nonsense if you can't back it up, go back to school or hire a better history teacher, you can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich but it won't change the facts, you'll keep getting pwnd if you keep spouting lies

I think it’s about time you stop following world wide narrative.

Give the guy some credit, he has come up with his own narrative to counter the imbalance.

 

[R3verse Swing]

) hahaha wriggling out again because you can't find anything , don't spout nonsense if you can't back it up, go back to school or hire a better history teacher, you can bury your head in the sand like an ostrich but it won't change the facts, you'll keep getting pwnd if you keep spouting lies

Connection to the internet too slow?

Do yourself a favour and take a leaf out of Gandhi’s book, and try some verbal celibacy, cos you sure need it.

I am daring you to pwn me. What are you waiting for? You got schooled again, yet you do not even have the sand to pwn me with citations. You are just repeating your cries. I am making the claim again, India lost to Pakistan in ALL 4 wars. Pwn me with citations to the contrary.

Ahhh no, I get it, you are a Pacifist.

Hehehe.

 

[WildSwing]

I find your arguments nonsensical and sad. Based on your logic the guy with the gun is always right. Taken to its logical, nothing is right or wrong, nobody is innocent and there is no such thing as terrorists. So at least you accept The Kashmiri fighters are no more terrorist than the Indians.

A very bizarre interpretation of my comment, first of all no where did I accept that kashmiri fighters are not terrorist. You didn't even understand my comment at all, I am not saying the guy with gun is always right, I am saying the guy with the gun will most probably win and then he'll re-write history in a way which shows him in good light, as a hero. It doesn't actually have to do with actual right or wrong

Secondly, I gave you a reality check about how the world works, you can find it nonsensical or sad, it doesn't change the fact that history has always seen oppressors winning more times than they have lost. No country is fight a moral war in the international arena, everyone is looking after their own personal interests. I was explaining to you all this in the context of your statement regarding oppressors always lose, this had nothing to do with the Kashmir issue because I don't believe we are the oppressors in Kashmir in the first place.

 

[blue_champion]

Connection to the internet too slow?

Do yourself a favour and take a leaf out of Gandhi’s book, and try some verbal celibacy, cos you sure need it.

I am daring you to pwn me. What are you waiting for? You got schooled again, yet you do not even have the sand to pwn me with citations. You are just repeating your cries. I am making the claim again, India lost to Pakistan in ALL 4 wars. Pwn me with citations to the contrary.

Ahhh no, I get it, you are a Pacifist.

Hehehe.

Got to give it to you man...perfect username...reverse swing an unconventional art form that might have been developed by not so “traditional” methods(if you get my drift)

You are just messing with us aren’t you, I mean you really believe all that you say? Cmon now

 

[WildSwing]

I am making the claim again, India lost to Pakistan in ALL 4 wars. Pwn me with citations to the contrary.

Just one word is enough to pwn you on this claim - BANGLADESH

Or are you from some alternate reality where bangladesh doesn't exist

Now go back to school kid, you have a lot to learn

 

[WildSwing]

Looks like reverse swing has wriggled out again

Don't worry I'll comeback again tomorrow to give you another history lesson

 

[cricketjoshila]

Just one word is enough to pwn you on this claim - BANGLADESH

Or are you from some alternate reality where bangladesh doesn't exist

Now go back to school kid, you have a lot to learn

Btw Bangladesh means, The course of history was changed by stopping a genocide, world map was altered and a new nation state created. Indira Gandhi.....

 

[cricketjoshila]

Looks like reverse swing has wriggled out again

Don't worry I'll comeback again tomorrow to give you another history lesson

He is baiting.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Just one word is enough to pwn you on this claim - BANGLADESH

Or are you from some alternate reality where bangladesh doesn't exist

Wow. So after 3 days you come back with one word - Bangladesh. What were you waiting for?

The truth is even after Bangladesh, India could not gain 100% control of Kashmir. I mean Pakistan army at its weakest according to Indians, yet still failed to gain control of Kashmir. Diddums.

The best part is you agree there were 4 wars between Pakistan and India. 47, 65, 71, and 99, and this is not even counting the skirmishes and standoffs. Couple this with 3 countries controlling Kashmir, Pakistan, India, and China, I'd say you got a rollicking and schooling of epic proportions. Time to update that terrorist textbook of yours.

By the way, is that Gandhi watch solar powered or battery operated? Just wondering because if anything it seems like a perpetual motion machine running on an infinite supply of ignorance.

You got played hook line a sinker. Better luck next time champ!

 

[hisham_ashraf]

First of all I am from Kashmir and would like to request all those people who don't know much about the K-issue to keep quiet.

Most of the Indian posters here post some ridiculous stuff,no one is stopping you from loving your army but can't people like Gambhir, Dhawan,Kaif,etc see the problems that a normal Kashmiri faces.Where were they when hundreds of people were brutally killed in 2016.Where were they when thousands lost their eyesight due to pellets.Why can't they come in and tweet at that time.

Print and Electronic media has got a huge role to play in this but as we all know Indian media is a joke.If people believe in whatever Arnab Goswami, Gaurav Sawant,Aditya Raj Kaul say then it's quite sad actually. People getting killed on a daily basis is no joke but these clowns just show the half truth to their people every single time.

Leave media,what can you say about that Human Shield incident, everyone should have condemned that act but hey look Major Gogoi(the person who tied a Kashmiri infront of an Army Jeep) has earned respect after that and T-shirts are being sold in the market praising this shameful incident and yeah a film recently glorified this too.

Let me tell you how is it to live in Kashmir,in Kashmir you will have curfew/restrictions once in a week, internet will be immediately banned,a Kashmiri will be beaten in an Indian college.What is the biggest problem?Maybe it's AFSPA,AFSPA allows every indian army personnel to do anything in Kashmir and no one will do anything to him.Even if he kills someone he will always be safe.PSA?PSA tells us that you can put an individual in a prison for years and he can't defend himself.All these things are only for the Kashmiris.

If Indians think that KASHMIRIS like India then they are surely mistaken.Anyone can prove you that we don't want you,be it the students who keep on protesting outside their schools,be it the boys who throw stones at you,be it the girls who go on and slam India for what they do in here,be it every Kashmiri celebrating a Pak win or an Indian loss in a cricket match or be it the militants who are forced to pick up the guns and fight for their rights.

Yeah they may be terrorists for you all but not for Kashmiris,for us they are our heroes.A terrorist is a person who who kills/harms innocent people but here in this case they have only and only fought against the Indian Army,does that make them terrorist?If yes then I am sorry Bhagat Singh too was a terrorist.

I used to go to tutions last year for one of my exams and that area is a dangerous area in Kashmir and I have seen how the army/CRPF put the innocent children behind the bars just because they are not able to catch those who throw stones.

At last I would like to tell every Indian that Please come here in Kashmir,look at the situation here with your own eyes and then decide who is wrong and who is right.

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris only and please all my dear Indian/Pak brothers do watch a documentary named "Inshallah Kashmir" on YouTube.This would be your first attempt to know the other side of the story

 

[Bewal Express]

A very bizarre interpretation of my comment, first of all no where did I accept that kashmiri fighters are not terrorist. You didn't even understand my comment at all, I am not saying the guy with gun is always right, I am saying the guy with the gun will most probably win and then he'll re-write history in a way which shows him in good light, as a hero. It doesn't actually have to do with actual right or wrong

Secondly, I gave you a reality check about how the world works, you can find it nonsensical or sad, it doesn't change the fact that history has always seen oppressors winning more times than they have lost. No country is fight a moral war in the international arena, everyone is looking after their own personal interests. I was explaining to you all this in the context of your statement regarding oppressors always lose, this had nothing to do with the Kashmir issue because I don't believe we are the oppressors in Kashmir in the first place.

Ok so why are the Kashmiri fighters terrorists and the Indian army not?

 

[Greenstorm]

Ok so why are the Kashmiri fighters terrorists and the Indian army not?

Stop wasting your time. What do you expect from someone who discards morality on a whim.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

So, if Jinnah is solely responsible for partition, does it mean he automatically gets responsibility for the largest human migration/displacement in world history and also the largest loss of human life outside of a war in world history?

Because surely you just don’t create a nation state out of thin air and don’t take responsibility for things that follow.

Well if that is a legacy than I am not sure that is something to gloat about.

I personally think Jinnah,Nehru and British were all complicit in the partition for their personal gains and people on both sides have suffered the consequences.

Now I know it does t fit your “narrative” but this is what actually happened.

There is bias and then there is just sheer stupidity....

Explain how Jinnah did it for personal gain? He was dying of cancer, and he knew he was the only one who could get something for the Muslims .... and if it had leaked out he was dying, Nehru would have dragged it out to see him out.

Also, what did you expect British to not honour their agreement with Jinnah after Jinnah supported the war effort in WW2, whereas the congress did not and instead were actively collaborating with Nazi Germany and the Japanese .... you guys still remember that nazi collaborator as netaji... subhash Chandra bose. Did you expect the British being the victors of the war to just hand you over everything even after all that?

Jinnah played with a straight bat and played it well for his people whilst the devious Nehru played for personal gain, it's one of the reasons why his progeny dominate politics even today.

So, no Jinnah did not do it for personal gain.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is bias and then there is just sheer stupidity....

Explain how Jinnah did it for personal gain? He was dying of cancer, and he knew he was the only one who could get something for the Muslims .... and if it had leaked out he was dying, Nehru would have dragged it out to see him out.

Also, what did you expect British to not honour their agreement with Jinnah after Jinnah supported the war effort in WW2, whereas the congress did not and instead were actively collaborating with Nazi Germany and the Japanese .... you guys still remember that nazi collaborator as netaji... subhash Chandra bose. Did you expect the British being the victors of the war to just hand you over everything even after all that?

Jinnah played with a straight bat and played it well for his people whilst the devious Nehru played for personal gain, it's one of the reasons why his progeny dominate politics even today.

So, no Jinnah did not do it for personal gain.

Yea Netaji took Nazi and Japanese help to try and get his country out of slavery. Were the British colonials better than Nazis? Do you know how many people died in Bengal alone due to Churchill? Any idea what Brits did to the colonies?

The brits were as bad as Nazis if not worse.

Netaji had left congress due to differences with Gandhi and Nehru.

After WW2 the Brits didnot have the strength to keep India. Since there was no chance for them to keep Nehru or Gandhi under influence and Netaji was allegedly dead. They chose Jinnah to be their point man.

Jinnah had already shown his inclination to work with the Brits so he was given a country but sadly for the Brits and Pakistan and to certain extent India Jinnah died soon.

But at the end of the day his personal ambition of leaving a legacy was fulfilled.

 

[waleed88]

Don't compare javed akhtar with others, have you seen any javed akhtar interviews on pakistan before? The guy is too passionate about these issues, he doesn't need to be told to speak up, go watch his interview with wahajat khan where he tore him a new one. Akhtar has even gone head to head with some Indian gurus on the topic of religion, you are highly ignorant if you think akhtar spoke up because he was asked to speak up

Akhtar may come across as a liberal. Then he must know about all the atrocities being committed in Kashmir as well. He also knows that if he verbally speaks about them he will be harrassed to no ends by your corporate media, who is always ready to create a storm in a teacup

 

[Third_Umpire]

First of all I am from Kashmir and would like to request all those people who don't know much about the K-issue to keep quiet.

Most of the Indian posters here post some ridiculous stuff,no one is stopping you from loving your army but can't people like Gambhir, Dhawan,Kaif,etc see the problems that a normal Kashmiri faces.Where were they when hundreds of people were brutally killed in 2016.Where were they when thousands lost their eyesight due to pellets.Why can't they come in and tweet at that time.

Print and Electronic media has got a huge role to play in this but as we all know Indian media is a joke.If people believe in whatever Arnab Goswami, Gaurav Sawant,Aditya Raj Kaul say then it's quite sad actually. People getting killed on a daily basis is no joke but these clowns just show the half truth to their people every single time.

Leave media,what can you say about that Human Shield incident, everyone should have condemned that act but hey look Major Gogoi(the person who tied a Kashmiri infront of an Army Jeep) has earned respect after that and T-shirts are being sold in the market praising this shameful incident and yeah a film recently glorified this too.

Let me tell you how is it to live in Kashmir,in Kashmir you will have curfew/restrictions once in a week, internet will be immediately banned,a Kashmiri will be beaten in an Indian college.What is the biggest problem?Maybe it's AFSPA,AFSPA allows every indian army personnel to do anything in Kashmir and no one will do anything to him.Even if he kills someone he will always be safe.PSA?PSA tells us that you can put an individual in a prison for years and he can't defend himself.All these things are only for the Kashmiris.

If Indians think that KASHMIRIS like India then they are surely mistaken.Anyone can prove you that we don't want you,be it the students who keep on protesting outside their schools,be it the boys who throw stones at you,be it the girls who go on and slam India for what they do in here,be it every Kashmiri celebrating a Pak win or an Indian loss in a cricket match or be it the militants who are forced to pick up the guns and fight for their rights.

Yeah they may be terrorists for you all but not for Kashmiris,for us they are our heroes.A terrorist is a person who who kills/harms innocent people but here in this case they have only and only fought against the Indian Army,does that make them terrorist?If yes then I am sorry Bhagat Singh too was a terrorist.

I used to go to tutions last year for one of my exams and that area is a dangerous area in Kashmir and I have seen how the army/CRPF put the innocent children behind the bars just because they are not able to catch those who throw stones.

At last I would like to tell every Indian that Please come here in Kashmir,look at the situation here with your own eyes and then decide who is wrong and who is right.

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris only and please all my dear Indian/Pak brothers do watch a documentary named "Inshallah Kashmir" on YouTube.This would be your first attempt to know the other side of the story

I like how everyone is ignoring the one person who actually is an authority on this issue, and not just another chest thumper mouthing off about "OUR" Kashmir without ever having been there or knowing anyone from there.

 

[khan991]

Why cant india let kashmiris decide who they want to be with or if they should get an independent state? Everyone knows that india is doing henious crimes to the kashmiri people for over 60 years. India is acting as if they are well of 1st world country. They need to pump the brakes and feed and take care of the hundreds of millions of people who are living in poverty and a dire state. Afridi has ruffled their feathers and sometimes the truth is what hurts the most these days.

 

[Madplayer]

First of all I am from Kashmir and would like to request all those people who don't know much about the K-issue to keep quiet.

Most of the Indian posters here post some ridiculous stuff,no one is stopping you from loving your army but can't people like Gambhir, Dhawan,Kaif,etc see the problems that a normal Kashmiri faces.Where were they when hundreds of people were brutally killed in 2016.Where were they when thousands lost their eyesight due to pellets.Why can't they come in and tweet at that time.

Print and Electronic media has got a huge role to play in this but as we all know Indian media is a joke.If people believe in whatever Arnab Goswami, Gaurav Sawant,Aditya Raj Kaul say then it's quite sad actually. People getting killed on a daily basis is no joke but these clowns just show the half truth to their people every single time.

Leave media,what can you say about that Human Shield incident, everyone should have condemned that act but hey look Major Gogoi(the person who tied a Kashmiri infront of an Army Jeep) has earned respect after that and T-shirts are being sold in the market praising this shameful incident and yeah a film recently glorified this too.

Let me tell you how is it to live in Kashmir,in Kashmir you will have curfew/restrictions once in a week, internet will be immediately banned,a Kashmiri will be beaten in an Indian college.What is the biggest problem?Maybe it's AFSPA,AFSPA allows every indian army personnel to do anything in Kashmir and no one will do anything to him.Even if he kills someone he will always be safe.PSA?PSA tells us that you can put an individual in a prison for years and he can't defend himself.All these things are only for the Kashmiris.

If Indians think that KASHMIRIS like India then they are surely mistaken.Anyone can prove you that we don't want you,be it the students who keep on protesting outside their schools,be it the boys who throw stones at you,be it the girls who go on and slam India for what they do in here,be it every Kashmiri celebrating a Pak win or an Indian loss in a cricket match or be it the militants who are forced to pick up the guns and fight for their rights.

Yeah they may be terrorists for you all but not for Kashmiris,for us they are our heroes.A terrorist is a person who who kills/harms innocent people but here in this case they have only and only fought against the Indian Army,does that make them terrorist?If yes then I am sorry Bhagat Singh too was a terrorist.

I used to go to tutions last year for one of my exams and that area is a dangerous area in Kashmir and I have seen how the army/CRPF put the innocent children behind the bars just because they are not able to catch those who throw stones.

At last I would like to tell every Indian that Please come here in Kashmir,look at the situation here with your own eyes and then decide who is wrong and who is right.

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris only and please all my dear Indian/Pak brothers do watch a documentary named "Inshallah Kashmir" on YouTube.This would be your first attempt to know the other side of the story

People should read this post.

Janab wariya asal.

 

[Hermoine Green]

People should read this post.

Janab wariya asal.

First of all I am from Kashmir and would like to request all those people who don't know much about the K-issue to keep quiet.

Most of the Indian posters here post some ridiculous stuff,no one is stopping you from loving your army but can't people like Gambhir, Dhawan,Kaif,etc see the problems that a normal Kashmiri faces.Where were they when hundreds of people were brutally killed in 2016.Where were they when thousands lost their eyesight due to pellets.Why can't they come in and tweet at that time.

Print and Electronic media has got a huge role to play in this but as we all know Indian media is a joke.If people believe in whatever Arnab Goswami, Gaurav Sawant,Aditya Raj Kaul say then it's quite sad actually. People getting killed on a daily basis is no joke but these clowns just show the half truth to their people every single time.

Leave media,what can you say about that Human Shield incident, everyone should have condemned that act but hey look Major Gogoi(the person who tied a Kashmiri infront of an Army Jeep) has earned respect after that and T-shirts are being sold in the market praising this shameful incident and yeah a film recently glorified this too.

Let me tell you how is it to live in Kashmir,in Kashmir you will have curfew/restrictions once in a week, internet will be immediately banned,a Kashmiri will be beaten in an Indian college.What is the biggest problem?Maybe it's AFSPA,AFSPA allows every indian army personnel to do anything in Kashmir and no one will do anything to him.Even if he kills someone he will always be safe.PSA?PSA tells us that you can put an individual in a prison for years and he can't defend himself.All these things are only for the Kashmiris.

If Indians think that KASHMIRIS like India then they are surely mistaken.Anyone can prove you that we don't want you,be it the students who keep on protesting outside their schools,be it the boys who throw stones at you,be it the girls who go on and slam India for what they do in here,be it every Kashmiri celebrating a Pak win or an Indian loss in a cricket match or be it the militants who are forced to pick up the guns and fight for their rights.

Yeah they may be terrorists for you all but not for Kashmiris,for us they are our heroes.A terrorist is a person who who kills/harms innocent people but here in this case they have only and only fought against the Indian Army,does that make them terrorist?If yes then I am sorry Bhagat Singh too was a terrorist.

I used to go to tutions last year for one of my exams and that area is a dangerous area in Kashmir and I have seen how the army/CRPF put the innocent children behind the bars just because they are not able to catch those who throw stones.

At last I would like to tell every Indian that Please come here in Kashmir,look at the situation here with your own eyes and then decide who is wrong and who is right.

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris only and please all my dear Indian/Pak brothers do watch a documentary named "Inshallah Kashmir" on YouTube.This would be your first attempt to know the other side of the story

Answer to Kashmir issue probably depends on who you ask.

Pakistanis would say that the principle behind the 1947 partition of British India was that Muslim majority states should go to Pakistan and Hindu majority states should go to India. Kashmir, in 1947, had a majority of Muslims (headed by a Hindu ruler) and should have gone to Pakistan. The accession to India by Kashmir was not in accordance with the principle of partition. After the stalemate of 1948 war between Pakistan and India over Kashmir, UN resolved that a plebiscite should be held on where should Kashmir go. The plebiscite was never held.

In 1957, Kashmir was formally incorporated into the Indian Union. It was granted a special status under Article 370 of India's constitution, which ensures, among other things, that non-Kashmiri Indians cannot buy property there.

In 1972 Indira Gandhi, the Indian prime minister, and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, her Pakistani opposite number (and father of Benazir Bhutto, a later Pakistani premier), signed the Simla Agreement, which reiterated the promises made in Tashkent.

The two sides once again agreed to resolve the issue peacefully, as domestic issues dominated.

Both India and Pakistan had other important domestic problems which kept Kashmir on the back-burner. In 1975 Indira Gandhi declared a state of national emergency, but she was defeated in the 1978 general elections.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was overthrown and hanged in 1977; Pakistan reverted to military dictatorship under Gen Zia ul Haq.

Then other issues along with 1999 war and since then things are beyond terrible.

Kashmiris would say that the future of Kashmir should be determined by Kashmiris. Not by India. Not by Pakistan. Some may want to join Pakistan. Some may want to remain in India. Some may want to be independent.

In reality:

1. Both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers. It is not easy for the political super powers to adjudicate on this matter and force either India or Pakistan to do what the political super powers think is fair.

2. Public opinion in both India and Pakistan are so entrenched that any politician who cedes Kashmir away will never get re-elected. Kashmir can be taken away only by force. Such force against a nuclear power is not easy; not available.

Therefore the Kashmir issue is likely to remain a de facto international border splitting Kashmir unfortunately into two: one under Pakistan control and one under Indian control.

Such a beautiful land and such a wonderful people caught in such a mileu of politics.

If i consider my self an Indian i would just like to say Dear Kashmiri people IMO you are free ,you could enjoy freedom better than any other Indian. No one can really understand your situation (Indians plus Pakistanis) but stop hating (Indians) .You have everything that a country should have own constitution,Article 370,Flag ,culture etc.

And being a Pakistani i would say leave those people alone, it's better to focus on our own problems, development e.t.c

No one is having any sort of benefits by fighting with each other, yes there is some harm for both countries but i think major losses are faced by Kashmiris, yes it is their mistake but it is also Pakistan and India's mistake.

I hope people from Kashmir Pakistan and India will soon realize it.


PEACE.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Dhawan is not qualified to comment but Afridi is?

Dhawan just told some foreigner to get out and mind his business and not poke his nose into India.

If someone wants to chime in about a political discussion then they could atleast say something meaningful or intellectual. What Dhawan said is "I am the gatekeeper of India, don't comment on my bharat since you aren't from here." Afridi raised good points in his initial tweet but cricketers like Dhawan and Gambhir who have some actual influence in India could do well if they grow some thick skin and tell others to just not comment on their issues.

Let's try some roleplay. If I told you, an Indian, to stay far far away from Pakistani forums of any kind, how would that make you feel? Is me saying that any better than Gambhir and Dhawan being ignorant and insecure?

 

[Hamza_]

Indian army making mockery of human rights and life by killing people. Nothing new in it

 

[hisham_ashraf]

People should read this post.


Janab wariya asal.

Shukriya Janab.

 

[hisham_ashraf]

I like how everyone is ignoring the one person who actually is an authority on this issue, and not just another chest thumper mouthing off about "OUR" Kashmir without ever having been there or knowing anyone from there.

The fact is that most of the Indians feel that Kashmir (land not the people) belongs to them.They do not try to understand why Kashmir has been on the boil since so long.They feel that all wrong is happening due to Pakistan but they won't actually take time and study about the K-issue in detail instead what the actually do is that write "Kashmir is an integral part of India" on social media to prove how much they love their country.

 

[hisham_ashraf]

Answer to Kashmir issue probably depends on who you ask.

Pakistanis would say that the principle behind the 1947 partition of British India was that Muslim majority states should go to Pakistan and Hindu majority states should go to India. Kashmir, in 1947, had a majority of Muslims (headed by a Hindu ruler) and should have gone to Pakistan. The accession to India by Kashmir was not in accordance with the principle of partition. After the stalemate of 1948 war between Pakistan and India over Kashmir, UN resolved that a plebiscite should be held on where should Kashmir go. The plebiscite was never held.

In 1957, Kashmir was formally incorporated into the Indian Union. It was granted a special status under Article 370 of India's constitution, which ensures, among other things, that non-Kashmiri Indians cannot buy property there.

In 1972 Indira Gandhi, the Indian prime minister, and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, her Pakistani opposite number (and father of Benazir Bhutto, a later Pakistani premier), signed the Simla Agreement, which reiterated the promises made in Tashkent.

The two sides once again agreed to resolve the issue peacefully, as domestic issues dominated.

Both India and Pakistan had other important domestic problems which kept Kashmir on the back-burner. In 1975 Indira Gandhi declared a state of national emergency, but she was defeated in the 1978 general elections.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was overthrown and hanged in 1977; Pakistan reverted to military dictatorship under Gen Zia ul Haq.

Then other issues along with 1999 war and since then things are beyond terrible.

Kashmiris would say that the future of Kashmir should be determined by Kashmiris. Not by India. Not by Pakistan. Some may want to join Pakistan. Some may want to remain in India. Some may want to be independent.

In reality:

1. Both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers. It is not easy for the political super powers to adjudicate on this matter and force either India or Pakistan to do what the political super powers think is fair.

2. Public opinion in both India and Pakistan are so entrenched that any politician who cedes Kashmir away will never get re-elected. Kashmir can be taken away only by force. Such force against a nuclear power is not easy; not available.

Therefore the Kashmir issue is likely to remain a de facto international border splitting Kashmir unfortunately into two: one under Pakistan control and one under Indian control.

Such a beautiful land and such a wonderful people caught in such a mileu of politics.

If i consider my self an Indian i would just like to say Dear Kashmiri people IMO you are free ,you could enjoy freedom better than any other Indian. No one can really understand your situation (Indians plus Pakistanis) but stop hating (Indians) .You have everything that a country should have own constitution,Article 370,Flag ,culture etc.

And being a Pakistani i would say leave those people alone, it's better to focus on our own problems, development e.t.c

No one is having any sort of benefits by fighting with each other, yes there is some harm for both countries but i think major losses are faced by Kashmiris, yes it is their mistake but it is also Pakistan and India's mistake.

I hope people from Kashmir Pakistan and India will soon realize it.


PEACE.

First of all I would like to say I like whatever you write on PP.Although I don't post frequently but I like whatever you write.Coming onto Kashmir,you said that Kashmiris should not hate India.Think about it,why do they hate them?.The answer is simple.They hate them because the army can come at their homes any time they want, they can do whatever they want,they can beat you,kill you,in short they can do whatever they want and no one can question them on it.The next question would be has the army made the wrong use of their special powers??Oh yes they have,not once,not twice but countless number of times.Google can show you that what they have done in Kashmir.Kunan Poshpora is one example of it,you can check about that instance.Not only that, thousands of youth have "disappeared",their families still wait for them but the truth is that they have been killed a long time back.Now do you expect any KASHMIRI to have love for India?I suppose no,so the hate is justified I guess

 

[hisham_ashraf]

Answer to Kashmir issue probably depends on who you ask.

Pakistanis would say that the principle behind the 1947 partition of British India was that Muslim majority states should go to Pakistan and Hindu majority states should go to India. Kashmir, in 1947, had a majority of Muslims (headed by a Hindu ruler) and should have gone to Pakistan. The accession to India by Kashmir was not in accordance with the principle of partition. After the stalemate of 1948 war between Pakistan and India over Kashmir, UN resolved that a plebiscite should be held on where should Kashmir go. The plebiscite was never held.

In 1957, Kashmir was formally incorporated into the Indian Union. It was granted a special status under Article 370 of India's constitution, which ensures, among other things, that non-Kashmiri Indians cannot buy property there.

In 1972 Indira Gandhi, the Indian prime minister, and Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, her Pakistani opposite number (and father of Benazir Bhutto, a later Pakistani premier), signed the Simla Agreement, which reiterated the promises made in Tashkent.

The two sides once again agreed to resolve the issue peacefully, as domestic issues dominated.

Both India and Pakistan had other important domestic problems which kept Kashmir on the back-burner. In 1975 Indira Gandhi declared a state of national emergency, but she was defeated in the 1978 general elections.

Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was overthrown and hanged in 1977; Pakistan reverted to military dictatorship under Gen Zia ul Haq.

Then other issues along with 1999 war and since then things are beyond terrible.

Kashmiris would say that the future of Kashmir should be determined by Kashmiris. Not by India. Not by Pakistan. Some may want to join Pakistan. Some may want to remain in India. Some may want to be independent.

In reality:

1. Both India and Pakistan are nuclear powers. It is not easy for the political super powers to adjudicate on this matter and force either India or Pakistan to do what the political super powers think is fair.

2. Public opinion in both India and Pakistan are so entrenched that any politician who cedes Kashmir away will never get re-elected. Kashmir can be taken away only by force. Such force against a nuclear power is not easy; not available.

Therefore the Kashmir issue is likely to remain a de facto international border splitting Kashmir unfortunately into two: one under Pakistan control and one under Indian control.

Such a beautiful land and such a wonderful people caught in such a mileu of politics.

If i consider my self an Indian i would just like to say Dear Kashmiri people IMO you are free ,you could enjoy freedom better than any other Indian. No one can really understand your situation (Indians plus Pakistanis) but stop hating (Indians) .You have everything that a country should have own constitution,Article 370,Flag ,culture etc.

And being a Pakistani i would say leave those people alone, it's better to focus on our own problems, development e.t.c

No one is having any sort of benefits by fighting with each other, yes there is some harm for both countries but i think major losses are faced by Kashmiris, yes it is their mistake but it is also Pakistan and India's mistake.

I hope people from Kashmir Pakistan and India will soon realize it.


PEACE.

And keep on posting sir!

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shahid Afridi s comments on the tragedy in Kashmir echo my sentiments as well as those of anyone who cares about human rights. He's always been a champion of peace in the region and we're so proud of him <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SAfridiOfficial</a> <a href="https://t.co/7TNr4VMyGx">https://t.co/7TNr4VMyGx</a></p>— Shehzad Roy (@ShehzadRoy) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShehzadRoy/status/982180029709729793?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Hermoine Green]

First of all I would like to say I like whatever you write on PP.Although I don't post frequently but I like whatever you write.Coming onto Kashmir,you said that Kashmiris should not hate India.Think about it,why do they hate them?.The answer is simple.They hate them because the army can come at their homes any time they want, they can do whatever they want,they can beat you,kill you,in short they can do whatever they want and no one can question them on it.The next question would be has the army made the wrong use of their special powers??Oh yes they have,not once,not twice but countless number of times.Google can show you that what they have done in Kashmir.Kunan Poshpora is one example of it,you can check about that instance.Not only that, thousands of youth have "disappeared",their families still wait for them but the truth is that they have been killed a long time back.Now do you expect any KASHMIRI to have love for India?I suppose no,so the hate is justified I guess

Let me clarify, from India i meant people of India Not govt or Army. Obviously hatred towards them is justified.

And i have read in very detail about Kunan Poshpora and other regions and what have happened their as well.

Thanks for appreciation bro and you said you don't post much, but you should post more and more, precisely about Kashmir.

 

[asadee]

All Afridi did was echo the sentiment of 99% of Pakistanis and he is a Pakistani citizen so what is all the fuss about???

 

[hisham_ashraf]

Let me clarify, from India i meant people of India Not govt or Army. Obviously hatred towards them is justified.

And i have read in very detail about Kunan Poshpora and other regions and what have happened their as well.

Thanks for appreciation bro and you said you don't post much, but you should post more and more, precisely about Kashmir.

I don't think anyone hates the people of India.Even Burhan Wani(Whom the Indians call a terrorist) in a video said that it is our duty to take care of the people who come to visit for Amarnath Yatras.
And I am sorry that I wasn't able to understand that you were referring to the common Indians.

 

[UN talkz]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When this picture was being taken Lala insisted that the flag be held upright..as it shld b. As neighbors v have rights toward each other n also responsibility 2 spread peace n love. It hurts me 2 c the way my Indian peers reacting to our national hero..totally not cool &#55357;&#56398;&#55356;&#57340; <a href="https://t.co/xLyPuOa8Us">https://t.co/xLyPuOa8Us</a></p>— Ahmad Shahzad &#55356;&#56821;&#55356;&#56816; (@iamAhmadshahzad) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamAhmadshahzad/status/981984037307731968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Josh]

Do they guys care about rights of Baloch activists? It's quite hypocrisy from Shahid Afridi. His own country is killing Baloch activists.

What does he expects when people take gun in hand? Some 14 boys took guns in hand and tried to attack Indian forces. In retaliation all of the 14 were killed and only 3 civilians were killed who usually come at the gunfight sites to save the militants.

So there is no way, that India will listen to them when they have guns in their hands.


Jammu and Kashmir also belongs to Kashmiri Pandits, Dogras, Gujjars and Shia Kashmiris. Most of them don't want an Independent Kashmir.


Amongst Sunni folks , some want to go with Pakistan since they receive money from there. some want to make a caliphate and some want independent secular country

To solve this Pakistan will have to remove militants training camps from its soil. Pakistan will have to stop supplies of guns to these young men who are quite emotional and get easily brainwashed.

For UN resolution, it clearly says Pakistan has to remove its whole army from Pak occupied Kashmir and take the non Kashmiri population out of it.

I don't see that happening. Many Pakistanis have shifted to POK and GB has even been made part of Pakistan. So this resolution is not possible.

 

[Moh@n]

LeT "freedom fighters" in action:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...s-behead-youth-in-kashmir/article23459783.ece

As expected, no protests from the stone pelters. Nobody will even go to this guy's funeral. Because only "freedom fighters" like Burhan Wani and co. deserve that level of respect.

Such a shame.

 

[maddgenius]

First of all I am from Kashmir and would like to request all those people who don't know much about the K-issue to keep quiet.

Most of the Indian posters here post some ridiculous stuff,no one is stopping you from loving your army but can't people like Gambhir, Dhawan,Kaif,etc see the problems that a normal Kashmiri faces.Where were they when hundreds of people were brutally killed in 2016.Where were they when thousands lost their eyesight due to pellets.Why can't they come in and tweet at that time.

Print and Electronic media has got a huge role to play in this but as we all know Indian media is a joke.If people believe in whatever Arnab Goswami, Gaurav Sawant,Aditya Raj Kaul say then it's quite sad actually. People getting killed on a daily basis is no joke but these clowns just show the half truth to their people every single time.

Leave media,what can you say about that Human Shield incident, everyone should have condemned that act but hey look Major Gogoi(the person who tied a Kashmiri infront of an Army Jeep) has earned respect after that and T-shirts are being sold in the market praising this shameful incident and yeah a film recently glorified this too.

Let me tell you how is it to live in Kashmir,in Kashmir you will have curfew/restrictions once in a week, internet will be immediately banned,a Kashmiri will be beaten in an Indian college.What is the biggest problem?Maybe it's AFSPA,AFSPA allows every indian army personnel to do anything in Kashmir and no one will do anything to him.Even if he kills someone he will always be safe.PSA?PSA tells us that you can put an individual in a prison for years and he can't defend himself.All these things are only for the Kashmiris.

If Indians think that KASHMIRIS like India then they are surely mistaken.Anyone can prove you that we don't want you,be it the students who keep on protesting outside their schools,be it the boys who throw stones at you,be it the girls who go on and slam India for what they do in here,be it every Kashmiri celebrating a Pak win or an Indian loss in a cricket match or be it the militants who are forced to pick up the guns and fight for their rights.

Yeah they may be terrorists for you all but not for Kashmiris,for us they are our heroes.A terrorist is a person who who kills/harms innocent people but here in this case they have only and only fought against the Indian Army,does that make them terrorist?If yes then I am sorry Bhagat Singh too was a terrorist.

I used to go to tutions last year for one of my exams and that area is a dangerous area in Kashmir and I have seen how the army/CRPF put the innocent children behind the bars just because they are not able to catch those who throw stones.

At last I would like to tell every Indian that Please come here in Kashmir,look at the situation here with your own eyes and then decide who is wrong and who is right.

Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris only and please all my dear Indian/Pak brothers do watch a documentary named "Inshallah Kashmir" on YouTube.This would be your first attempt to know the other side of the story

The likes of [MENTION=23911]Moh@n[/MENTION] and [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] conveniently ignored this post

 

[MenInG]

To Shahid Afridi's immense credit, his timelines does not spew hate compared to many others. Have a look and see what he is doing for his charity and you will see why Pakistan and indeed many outside love the guy.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Both side of youth need to stand up for India & Pak relationship & ask authorities a right & difficult questions that why we haven’t even able to sort out our pending issues for last 70 years I ask you are you ready to live another 70 year of your lives with this hatred</p>— Shoaib Akhtar (@shoaib100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/shoaib100mph/status/982574656354963456?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 7, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[USHK]

Shocking because there behavior is different when they are discussing other topics as there approach is lot more rational and objective. They just become overly defensive when it comes to talking about their country and specially Kashmir.

I think it is hatred phase going on right now. Hitler provoked Germany to carry hatred which in result massive genocide against millions of Jewish people. And i am beginning to fear for Indian Muslims at the mercy of Genocidal Modi and his communal <s> terrorist </s>political party.

 

[USHK]

To Shahid Afridi's immense credit, his timelines does not spew hate compared to many others. Have a look and see what he is doing for his charity and you will see why Pakistan and indeed many outside love the guy.

That alone proves why quality over quantity. Afridi [Quality] versus 1.2 billion Indians [Quantity].

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When this picture was being taken Lala insisted that the flag be held upright..as it shld b. As neighbors v have rights toward each other n also responsibility 2 spread peace n love. It hurts me 2 c the way my Indian peers reacting to our national hero..totally not cool ���� <a href="https://t.co/xLyPuOa8Us">https://t.co/xLyPuOa8Us</a></p>— Ahmad Shahzad ���� (@iamAhmadshahzad) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamAhmadshahzad/status/981984037307731968?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ajao Sir. Aapka hee intizaar tha

 

[MenInG]

So much to say about Kashmir but silence on his city being kept hostage by people in the Asia bibi case

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

So much to say about Kashmir but silence on his city being kept hostage by people in the Asia bibi case

Absolutely ludicrous comparison! One is a law and order situation due to goons that our government and army can manage...

The other is the occupation of our people by the Indian army who have killed, maimed, raped and pillaged.

Disrespectful whataboutery from you to add this and neutralise the Kashmiri occupation by Indian forces.

 

[idrizzy]

Absolutely ludicrous comparison! One is a law and order situation due to goons that our government and army can manage...

The other is the occupation of our people by the Indian army who have killed, maimed, raped and pillaged.

Disrespectful whataboutery from you to add this and neutralise the Kashmiri occupation by Indian forces.

Couldn’t agree more. It’s like comparing apples to oranges.

 

[El Generico]

Absolutely ludicrous comparison! One is a law and order situation due to goons that our government and army can manage...

The other is the occupation of our people by the Indian army who have killed, maimed, raped and pillaged.

Disrespectful whataboutery from you to add this and neutralise the Kashmiri occupation by Indian forces.

Agreed, I dont understand the comparison at all tbh.

 

[MenInG]

Sorry - its a situation that is threatening the very fabric of our country.

A message from Afridi asking for calm etc in his own country would be great.

And dont dare to presume anything about how I feel or dont feel about Kashmir or people of Kashmir - I dont need to prove it to you.

 

[MenInG]

Sorry - its a situation that is threatening the very fabric of our country.

A message from Afridi asking for calm etc in his own country would be great.

And dont dare to presume anything about how I feel or dont feel about Kashmir or people of Kashmir - I dont need to prove it to you.

I apologize if any Kashmiri sensibilities have been hurt by my comments- it wasnt meant to be that.

So following tweet from Afridi seems to be connected with current situation

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">انسان خدا بنے ھوۓ گناھ و ٽواب دھيکتے ھيں<br><br>سو ھم روز ھی روز حساب دھيکتےھيں</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1058247233135534080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Wasim_Waqar]

Sorry - its a situation that is threatening the very fabric of our country.

A message from Afridi asking for calm etc in his own country would be great.

And dont dare to presume anything about how I feel or dont feel about Kashmir or people of Kashmir - I dont need to prove it to you.

I apologize if any Kashmiri sensibilities have been hurt by my comments- it wasnt meant to be that.

So following tweet from Afridi seems to be connected with current situation

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">انسان خدا بنے ھوۓ گناھ و ٽواب دھيکتے ھيں<br><br>سو ھم روز ھی روز حساب دھيکتےھيں</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1058247233135534080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I’m a Pakistani first and foremost and both the issues are important to me. Deciding to almost choose one over the other makes no sense.

It’s a bit like if there are riots in UK and some said “why aren’t they talking about this now when they mentioned Northern Ireland a few months ago.”

As a Pakistani I’m used to infighting...but what I will say is that Pakistanis must start considering occupied Kashmiris because until this government, we have been useless on Kashmir for years...and the people of the valley aren’t stupid.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Sorry - its a situation that is threatening the very fabric of our country.

A message from Afridi asking for calm etc in his own country would be great.

And dont dare to presume anything about how I feel or dont feel about Kashmir or people of Kashmir - I dont need to prove it to you.

I apologize if any Kashmiri sensibilities have been hurt by my comments- it wasnt meant to be that.

So following tweet from Afridi seems to be connected with current situation

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">انسان خدا بنے ھوۓ گناھ و ٽواب دھيکتے ھيں<br><br>سو ھم روز ھی روز حساب دھيکتےھيں</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1058247233135534080?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 2, 2018</a></blockquote>
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So I do accept your apology but remember the K in Pakistan stands for Kashmir

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Heartening meeting with some Kashmiri students who are in Bangladesh on scholarship, studying Medicine. Keep up the hard work and making your people proud! <a href="https://t.co/TLH674X3MW">pic.twitter.com/TLH674X3MW</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1085857511817633794?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[m.shah]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Heartening meeting with some Kashmiri students who are in Bangladesh on scholarship, studying Medicine. Keep up the hard work and making your people proud! <a href="https://t.co/TLH674X3MW">pic.twitter.com/TLH674X3MW</a></p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1085857511817633794?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Thanks lala we kashmiri love you.